*UPDATED* G25 Modeling with TA members

**~~Kess~~** · 02-26-2024, 12:30 AM

Originally Posted by Annihilus

Aren't the English Germanics?

English are genetically closer to Belgians, Dutch, and North Western French than Germans.

**#Oda#** · 02-26-2024, 12:33 AM

Originally Posted by kessaras

English are genetically closer to Belgians, Dutch, and North Western French than Germans.

Yes, true, but that does not count for indigenous NW Germans, however you can state it for Germans as a whole though.

**JerryS.** · 02-26-2024, 11:22 AM

Originally Posted by Scarface F

Hungarians are not homogenous and almost all of them have recent German or Slavic ancestry. Some minor Jewish is common as well.

Okay I understand about there being some variety in a group but why when MM is run as the target with the other Hungarians in the source MM does not pull any of the Hungarians in his mix.

**sacha** · 02-26-2024, 04:48 PM

I am doing some calculations right now for a funny new model, but the 'best split' I could get for every single user (excluding the three South Asians) is this:

Best Split Model:
Early_Bronze_Age_Europe_Indoeuropean: 57.65%
Anatolia_Neolithic_Farmers: 27.28%
Levant_Epipaleolithic: 2.73%
Western_European_Hunter_Gatherer: 2.65%
Eastern_European_Hunter_Gatherer: 2.38%
North_Africa_Epipaleolithic: 1.62%
Zagros_Neolithic_Farmers: 1.53%
Siberian_Hunter_Gatherer: 1.46%
Caucasus_Hunter_Gatherer: 1.37%
Yoruba: 0.82%
Amerindian: 0.51%

The genetic profile of Mr. TA. I'll try it with a better model later xd

**Ritz06** · 02-26-2024, 10:59 PM

Target:
Distance: 1.1893% / 0.01189279
29.8 British_Isles
17.0 Germany&Netherlands
15.8 Turkish
13.4 Greek
12.8 South_Asian
7.8 MENA
3.4 Northern_Slavs

Target:
Distance: 1.1893% / 0.01189279
21.4 British_Isles:English:Anglecynn_Grandmother(Englis h)
15.8 Turkish

emirkazık_scaled(Turkish)
14.0 Germany&Netherlands

utch:Elske(Dutch_Frisian)
12.8 South_Asian:Mingle_scaled(Pashtun)
8.4 British_Isles:British:IceQueen(British)
7.8 MENA:Hadouken(Kurd)
6.8 Greek

anos_father(PonticGreek)
6.6 Greek

anos_mother(PonticGreek)
3.4 Northern_Slavs

olish:slowian_father(Polish)
3.0 Germany&Netherlands

utch:CGPF(Dutch)
Distance to:
0.04048266 East_Balkans:Romanian:Impaler(Romanian)
0.04456931 Balkan_Turk:Thracian(Balkan_Turk)
0.05619578 Balkan_Turk:Kaspias(Balkan_Turk)
0.05641143 Balkan_Turk:karakartal(BalkanTurk)
0.05690608 Milkaner_scaled(Ashkenazi/NW/NEEuromix)
0.05908279 Jewish:Agamemnon(Jewish/British)
0.06170930 French:Camulogene_Rix(French)
0.06207951 USA/Canada:Black_Wolf(Canadian)
0.06247046 IrisSelene_scaled(Romanian/Bulgarian/Hungarian/Croatmix)
0.06300465 East_Balkans:Romanian:chrisbab(Romanian)
0.06348650 DacoCeltic_scaled
0.06424145 Hungarian:Stears(Hungarian)
0.06473448 East_Balkans:Romanian:chrisbab_dad(Romanian)
0.06508160 Hungarian:someonenotyou(Hungarian)
0.06551503 East_Balkans:Moldovan:Ion_Basecul(Moldovan)
0.06579606 USA/Canada

ewsloth(American)
0.06594980 Balkanic:Albanian:Sorcelow(Albanian)
0.06605739 East_Balkans:Romanian:WeirdFellow(Romanian)
0.06637553 East_Balkans:Bulgarian:wilkosz(Bulgarian)
0.06656622 Balkanic:Macedonian:Vojnik(Nth_Macedonian)
0.06704621 USA/Canada:Koolmets21(American)
0.06716941 USA/Canada:Mr.G_scaled(American)
0.06732804 East_Balkans:Romanian:MandM(Romanian+MinorSerbian)
0.06783440 Nurzat(Ukrainian/Romanian)
0.06795506 West_Balkan:Bosniensis(Bosniak)

**Nurzat** · 02-27-2024, 12:16 AM

Distance to: Nurzat_dad
0.02418094 Northern_Slavs:Ukrainian:Geborgenheit_mother(Ukrai nian)
0.02476423 Hungarian:Stears(Hungarian)
0.02520584 West_Balkan:Sylvanas_scaled
0.02769505 Hungarian:Katalin(Hungarian)
0.02985622 West_Balkan:FeiichyFriend:Nik(Croat)
0.03057072 West_Balkan: ph2ter(Croatian)
0.03120513 West_Balkan: ph2ter_dad(Croatian)
0.03193889 CordedMother_scaled
0.03214689 IrisSelene_scaled(Romanian/Bulgarian/Hungarian/Croatmix)
0.03216201 West_Balkan: ph2ter_son(Croatian)
0.03231407 Hungarian:17571imre_mother(Hungarian)
0.03231621 viktor_scaled(Bosnian)
0.03243707 West_Balkan:Ford(Serb)
0.03247390 West_Balkan:Ljubic(Croatian)
0.03262666 Abriekman_scaled
0.03295825 West_Balkan:FeiichyFriend:Antula(Croat)
0.03314393 West_Balkan:Bessarion(Croat)
0.03356854 West_Balkan:FeiichyFriend:Alma(Croat)
0.03367431 Hungarian: Dunai(Hungarian)
0.03377325 West_Balkan: oz(Bosnian)
0.03385715 Hungarian:someonenotyou(Hungarian)
0.03397281 17571imre(Hungarian+Dutch)
0.03397480 West_Balkan: ph2ter_wife(Croatian)
0.03449970 West_Balkan: Dick(Serb)
0.03551496 West_Balkan: Prosigoj(Serb)
0.03558895 West_Balkan:FeiichyFriend:Anka(Croat)
0.03560071 West_Balkan:FeiichyFriend:Manda(Croat)
0.03567657 West_Balkan:Hrvoje(Croat)
0.03595656 Germany&Netherlands:Austrian:noricum(Austrian)
0.03619971 West_Balkan:FeiichyFriend: Daki(Croat)
0.03626699 West_Balkan:Feiichy_Father(Croat)
0.03631574 Balkanic:majevica_scaled(Bosnian_Serb/Bosnian_Croat)
0.03661475 West_Balkan:FeiichyFriend:Martin(Croat)
0.03674383 West_Balkan:Ljubic_dad(Croatian)
0.03680741 Wend-Kruzek_scaled(Slovakia)

Target: Nurzat_dad
Distance: 1.1754% / 0.01175433
17.4 Northern_Slavs: Polish: Polak(Polish/Ukrainian)
17.4 West_Balkan: Dick(Serb)
15.2 Northern_Slavs:Russian:Tora_sama(Russian)
9.4 Northern_Slavs:Ukrainian:Lemgrant(Ukrainian)
6.4 East_Balkans:Romanian:Andre(Romanian)
5.8 Balkanic:Albanian:Sorcelow(Albanian)
5.4 East_Balkans:Moldovan:Ion_Basecul(Moldovan)
4.2 Levantine:Sacha(Syria)_scaled
3.8 French:J.S.(French)
3.8 Northern_Slavs:Baltics:Olavi(Estonian)
3.0 British_Isles:British:Anglecynn_partner(British)
2.4 West_Balkan:Sylvanas_scaled
2.2 West_Balkan: Decius(Serb)
1.2 West_Balkan:FeiichyFriend:Noah(Croat/Sylheti)
0.8 Hungarian:Gergo_Marosvari(Hungarian)
0.8 HMx_scaled
0.4 Hungarian:Katalin(Hungarian)
0.2 Northern_Slavs: Polish: Peterski(Polish)
0.2 South_Asian:Mingle_scaled(Pashtun)

**alnortedelsur** · 02-27-2024, 06:12 AM

Using the spreadsheet posted by Beowulf on page 4:

Target: Alnortedelsur_scaled
Distance: 1.0422% / 0.01042249
26.4 Italian
14.2 HMx_scaled
11.6 French
10.8 USA/Canada
9.6 MENA
6.4 JingleBell_scaled
5.8 Greek
5.8 Iberian
5.4 Iberoamerican
4.0 British_Isles

Code:

Distance to:	Alnortedelsur_scaled
0.03990254	USA/Canada:Vivaldi4Stagioni(American)
0.04578038	Iberoamerican:lilac9(Puerto_Rican)
0.04726564	Iberoamerican:tatals(Brazilian)
0.05785716	Iberian:Portuguese:PT_Tagus(Portuguese)
0.06117188	Iberian:Portuguese:Luso(Portuguese)
0.06278174	Iberian:Portuguese:Gil_Vicente(Portuguese)
0.06304503	Iberoamerican:Kriptc_23nme(Brazilian)
0.06378541	Iberian:Portuguese:Lusitano(Portuguese)
0.06443891	Iberian:Portuguese:ViriatoFather(Portuguese)
0.06451869	Iberian:Spanish:Defcon2(Spain)
0.06470265	Iberian:Portuguese:FilhoV(Portuguese)
0.06495666	Iberian:Spanish:Spaniard2.0_mom(Spain)
0.06724260	Iberian:Spanish:Ibericus(Spanish)
0.06744221	Iberian:Portuguese:rxavierflima_wife(Portuguese)
0.06762593	Iberian:Spanish:Ravai(Spanish)
0.06762611	Iberian:Spanish:Ravai(Spanish)
0.06895158	Iberian:Portuguese:Ruderico(Portuguese)
0.06972444	Iberian:Portuguese:rxavierflima(Portuguese)
0.07077765	Iberian:Portuguese:Ruderico_Mrs(Portuguese)
0.07165458	Iberian:Portuguese:ViriatoGF(Portuguese)
0.07196865	Iberian:Spanish:Helen(Spanish)
0.07220498	Iberian:Portuguese:Defski(Portuguese)
0.07389922	Iberian:Spanish:sweuro(Spanish)
0.07420488	Iberian:Spanish:Spaniard2.0_dad(Spain)
0.07421361	Iberian:Spanish:gixajo_dad_scaled
0.07494429	Iberoamerican::Alejandromb92(Venezuelan)
0.07533892	Iberian:Spanish:Spaniard2.0(Spanish)
0.07533910	Iberian:Spanish:estesiquesabe(Spanish)
0.07570231	Iberoamerican:emc(Brazilian)
0.07570257	Iberian:Spanish:DrewcastleGM(Spain)
0.07651537	Iberoamerican:Erronkari(Argentinian)
0.07704628	French:Camulogene_Rix(French)
0.07747103	French:Badger_mum(French)
0.07762456	USA/Canada:CelestiaMom(American)
0.07784965	Iberian:Spanish:JSElcano(Spanish)
0.07832764	East_Balkans:Romanian:Impaler(Romanian)
0.07875664	Italian:Vettor(North_Italian)
0.07920654	Iberian:Spanish:Empecinado(Spanish)
0.07973367	Iberoamerican:Mixdguy17(Venezuelan)_scaled
0.07986566	Iberoamerican:felipesc25(Brazilian)

**sacha** · 02-27-2024, 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by alnortedelsur

Using the spreadsheet posted by Beowulf on page 4:

Target: Alnortedelsur_scaled
Distance: 1.0422% / 0.01042249
26.4 Italian
14.2 HMx_scaled
11.6 French
10.8 USA/Canada
9.6 MENA
6.4 JingleBell_scaled
5.8 Greek
5.8 Iberian
5.4 Iberoamerican
4.0 British_Isles

Code:

Distance to:	Alnortedelsur_scaled
0.03990254	USA/Canada:Vivaldi4Stagioni(American)
0.04578038	Iberoamerican:lilac9(Puerto_Rican)
0.04726564	Iberoamerican:tatals(Brazilian)
0.05785716	Iberian:Portuguese:PT_Tagus(Portuguese)
0.06117188	Iberian:Portuguese:Luso(Portuguese)
0.06278174	Iberian:Portuguese:Gil_Vicente(Portuguese)
0.06304503	Iberoamerican:Kriptc_23nme(Brazilian)
0.06378541	Iberian:Portuguese:Lusitano(Portuguese)
0.06443891	Iberian:Portuguese:ViriatoFather(Portuguese)
0.06451869	Iberian:Spanish:Defcon2(Spain)
0.06470265	Iberian:Portuguese:FilhoV(Portuguese)
0.06495666	Iberian:Spanish:Spaniard2.0_mom(Spain)
0.06724260	Iberian:Spanish:Ibericus(Spanish)
0.06744221	Iberian:Portuguese:rxavierflima_wife(Portuguese)
0.06762593	Iberian:Spanish:Ravai(Spanish)
0.06762611	Iberian:Spanish:Ravai(Spanish)
0.06895158	Iberian:Portuguese:Ruderico(Portuguese)
0.06972444	Iberian:Portuguese:rxavierflima(Portuguese)
0.07077765	Iberian:Portuguese:Ruderico_Mrs(Portuguese)
0.07165458	Iberian:Portuguese:ViriatoGF(Portuguese)
0.07196865	Iberian:Spanish:Helen(Spanish)
0.07220498	Iberian:Portuguese:Defski(Portuguese)
0.07389922	Iberian:Spanish:sweuro(Spanish)
0.07420488	Iberian:Spanish:Spaniard2.0_dad(Spain)
0.07421361	Iberian:Spanish:gixajo_dad_scaled
0.07494429	Iberoamerican::Alejandromb92(Venezuelan)
0.07533892	Iberian:Spanish:Spaniard2.0(Spanish)
0.07533910	Iberian:Spanish:estesiquesabe(Spanish)
0.07570231	Iberoamerican:emc(Brazilian)
0.07570257	Iberian:Spanish:DrewcastleGM(Spain)
0.07651537	Iberoamerican:Erronkari(Argentinian)
0.07704628	French:Camulogene_Rix(French)
0.07747103	French:Badger_mum(French)
0.07762456	USA/Canada:CelestiaMom(American)
0.07784965	Iberian:Spanish:JSElcano(Spanish)
0.07832764	East_Balkans:Romanian:Impaler(Romanian)
0.07875664	Italian:Vettor(North_Italian)
0.07920654	Iberian:Spanish:Empecinado(Spanish)
0.07973367	Iberoamerican:Mixdguy17(Venezuelan)_scaled
0.07986566	Iberoamerican:felipesc25(Brazilian)

The main sheet is fully updated with coordinates (including his), so if you’d like to do that you might find more things

**Ajeje Brazorf** · 02-27-2024, 01:48 PM

Anglecynn_partner coordinates are off.

Code:

British_Isles:British:Anglecynn_partner(British),0.141141,0.126941,0.060339,0.050065,0.0437,0.07012,0.012926,0.001846,0.006136,0.002187,-0.001949,0.012139,-0.013082,-0.017891,0.021037,0.016309,0.004303,0.004434,0.013324,0.005378,0.009982,0.001731,0.000616,0.020003,-0.000958

Here is the version I have:

Code:

Anglecynn_girlfriend_scaled,0.141141,0.126941,0.060339,0.050065,0.0437,0.017012,0.012926,0.001846,0.006136,0.002187,-0.001949,0.012139,-0.013082,-0.017891,0.021037,0.016309,0.004303,0.004434,0.013324,0.005378,0.009982,0.001731,0.000616,0.020003,-0.000958

Ariel90's coordinates are also different from the ones I have.

Code:

Italian:Ariel90(Italian),0.110408,0.156392,0.005657,-0.036176,0.029236,-0.015618,0.0047,-0.003,0.008385,0.02278,-0.000974,0.003147,-0.012933,-0.004404,-0.008415,0.004641,-0.003129,0.004307,0.004399,0.008379,-0.002995,0.001607,0.002835,0.003976,-0.002754

My version:

Code:

Ariel90_scaled,0.118376,0.153345,0.025644,-0.01938,0.032006,-0.005299,0.00752,0.006,0.005113,0.018588,-0.00341,0.000749,-0.019326,-0.003303,-0.0038,0.010209,0.000782,-0.00076,0.008925,0.002876,0.007736,-0.000495,0.005053,0.004338,0.003113

Africanwidow/Wâldpykjong/Redmar's coordinates are strange, they seem modified or altered and have very high distances...

Code:

Germany&Netherlands:Dutch:Africanwidow(Frisian),0.12801,0.130001,0.076922,0.065769,0.044624,0.05012,0.00997,0.009846,0.005218,0.010387,-0.008931,-0.004096,-3.25e-05,-0.006817,0.032216,0.00916,-0.010791,-0.00262,0.001383,0.007878,0.00961,0.008285,0.001725,0.016388,-0.000748

I have coordinates very similar to these, but different.

Code:

British_Isles:British:Aroon1916(Irish/English),0.134311,0.132019,0.067127,0.045866,0.035391,0.021196,0.00188,0.004384,0.002863,0.002916,0.005034,0.004346,-0.009812,-0.002477,0.016694,0.001458,-0.009388,0.001014,0.000377,0.004502,-0.000873,-0.002844,-0.001602,0.013737,-0.003712
Iberoamerican::Alejandromb92(Venezuelan),0.102441,0.14319,0.031301,-0.011305,0.034776,0.004183,0.00188,0.004615,0.021475,0.021322,0.000162,0.002398,-0.005352,-0.015001,0.000271,0.011668,0.015776,-0.000507,-0.010684,0.005378,-0.005116,-0.000989,-0.003204,-0.003374,0.003592
Italian:Sardinian:MotherDududud_scaled,0.125205,0.15436,0.035826,-0.020995,0.045547,-0.01255,0.00141,0.003461,0.01268,0.039545,-0.005684,0.01124,-0.017245,-0.010184,-0.00855,-0.011005,-0.012256,-0.001647,0.00817,-0.020885,-0.006738,0.002226,-0.001479,-0.007953,0.004431
Mallorcan_Beowulf_Scaled,0.1228117,0.1448503,0.0410504,0.0085708,0.0394156,0.0030563,0.0041533,0.004854,0.0126114,0.0245238,-0.0086741,0.0019535,-0.012332,-0.0083297,0.0067736,0.0013258,0.0047512,-0.0055111,-0.0010575,-0.001801,0.0007706,0.0004732,0.0005798,0.0033846,0.0002742

Which of the two versions is the correct one?

Code:

Aroon1916_scaled,0.134311,0.132019,0.067127,0.045866,0.035391,0.021196,0.00188,0.004384,0.002863,0.002916,-0.005034,0.004346,-0.009812,-0.002477,0.016694,0.001458,-0.009388,0.001014,0.000377,0.004502,-0.000873,-0.002844,-0.001602,0.013737,-0.003712
alejandromb92_scaled,0.100164,0.144205,0.031301,-0.011951,0.03139,0.00251,0.000705,0.006231,0.022907,0.019135,-0.001624,0.003447,-0.009366,-0.012937,-0.0019,0.006629,0.014864,-0.001394,-0.009804,0.007504,-0.002246,-0.003957,0.00037,-0.003253,0.003473
Flashball_mother_scaled,0.125205,0.147252,0.040729,-0.015504,0.048009,-0.008367,0.00282,0.001846,0.01084,0.038634,-0.000812,0.008243,-0.017839,-0.008257,-0.003393,-0.008884,-0.011213,0.001267,0.003897,-0.014632,-0.006364,-0.003215,-0.003697,-0.000602,0.002874
Beowulf_scaled,0.106776,0.147483,0.03573,0.001868,0.039686,-0.003002,-0.001673,0.001274,0.026665,0.027145,-0.004281,0.002951,-0.003347,-0.014144,0.013599,-0.00845,-0.018638,0.003618,0.001491,-0.001177,-0.001298,-0.005875,0.004398,-0.008598,-0.006883

**Vid Flumina** · 02-27-2024, 02:06 PM

French:Camulogene_Rix(French),0.122929,0.139128,0. 031301,0.006783,0.032621,0.003068,0.000235,0.00276 9,0.010226,0.012028,-0.001461,0.001948,-0.00669,-0.007019,0.008279,0.000928,-0.001695,0.003421,0.004525,0.004752,-0.003619,-0.004575,0.001479,0.004579,0.000838

This guy is part Italian - at least 1/4 with large chunk of ancestry coming from Lazio iirc

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