Croatian man killed in Ireland "for speaking Croatian"

[Scarface F]

Maybe in Yugoslavia where you had a half commie half capitalist system.

Nope. Warsaw pact mbers were incredibly corrupted and all modern day corruption to the bottom remains from that era.

Communism cannot function without extreme corruption. Nazism was same btw.

[Insuperable]

You imply women aren't capable of love and sacriface for their men and that men love more deeply. That is ofcourse a nonsense.

Meanwhile you left Stears, the man you loves because he was unstable when it comes to jobs. Man at least worked.

Next...

[Blondie]

Anyway what is the defiition of prostitution? If a woman having sex for money, its prostitution right? So when the money meets with the sexuality?
What if a guy invites the woman on vacation and the woman is sleeping with the guy to thank him. Is it prostitution?
What if a woman sells her panties and bra and a guy buy it for sexual reason, is it prostitution?
What if a woman is dating with a rich guy because she likes his wealth? Is it prostitution?
What if a woman having sex with her boyfriend to convince him to buy a new dress? Is it prostitution?
What if a guy wants to impress the girl and he is taking her in a luxury restaurant? Here the guy uses his money to getting closer to the girl in sexual way. Is it prostitution?

If we define the meaning of prostitution as relation of sexuality and money, and we make a moral question about it, then these things also should be banned. No more poor girl vs rich guy dating, no more sex between riches and poors, no more luxury restaurant/hotel, no more sex on exotic holidays etc.

[Blondie]

Nope. Warsaw pact mbers were incredibly corrupted and all modern day corruption to the bottom remains from that era.

Communism cannot function without extreme corruption. Nazism was same btw.

The communist Hungary was far less corrupt than present Hungary.

[Insuperable]

Meanwhile you left Stears, the man you loves because he was unstable when it comes to jobs. Man at least worked.

Next...

Despite which you knew he is an aspie and in what you ate getting into.

+ cheated on all your boyfriends

[Tooting Carmen]

The communist Hungary was far less corrupt than present Hungary.

Or maybe it was much more hidden due to the high degree of State censorship.

[oszkar07]

Anyway what is the defiition of prostitution? If a woman having sex for money, its prostitution right? So when the money meets with the sexuality?
What if a guy invites the woman on vacation and the woman is sleeping with the guy to thank him. Is it prostitution?
What if a woman sells her panties and bra and a guy buy it for sexual reason, is it prostitution?
What if a woman is dating with a rich guy because she likes his wealth? Is it prostitution?
What if a woman having sex with her boyfriend to convince him to buy a new dress? Is it prostitution?
What if a guy wants to impress the girl and he is taking her in a luxury restaurant? Here the guy uses his money to getting closer to the girl in sexual way. Is it prostitution?

If we define the meaning of prostitution as relation of sexuality and money, and we make a moral question about it, then these things also should be banned. No more poor girl vs rich guy dating, no more sex between riches and poors, no more luxury restaurant/hotel, no more sex on exotic holidays etc.

Many people will deny this (or wish to), however in many respects it is overall a very reasonable point
and it also relates to what I posted previously about Prostitution being part of the human condition,
even if it lurks in the shadows of it.
there always usually prevails unspoken however understood rituals underlying the interactions between men and women.
it is understood - the nature of things

[Insuperable]

Anyway what is the defiition of prostitution? If a woman having sex for money, its prostitution right? So when the money meets with the sexuality?
What if a guy invites the woman on vacation and the woman is sleeping with the guy to thank him. Is it prostitution?
What if a woman sells her panties and bra and a guy buy it for sexual reason, is it prostitution?
What if a woman is dating with a rich guy because she likes his wealth? Is it prostitution?
What if a woman having sex with her boyfriend to convince him to buy a new dress? Is it prostitution?
What if a guy wants to impress the girl and he is taking her in a luxury restaurant? Here the guy uses his money to getting closer to the girl in sexual way. Is it prostitution?

If we define the meaning of prostitution as relation of sexuality and money, and we make a moral question about it, then these things also should be banned. No more poor girl vs rich guy dating, no more sex between riches and poors, no more luxury restaurant/hotel, no more sex on exotic holidays etc.

This is not rocket science
No exchange of money = slut
Exchange of money in one form or the other = prostitute or golddigger

In the end all men pay for sex in one way or the other and all wemen are prostitutes.

[Blondie]

Or maybe it was much more hidden due to the high degree of State censorship.

Dont get me wrong there was corruption in the communism, but far less. Or check the wealth of communist politicians, okay Ceausescu or Kim Jong Un were/are über rich but others arent. In Hungary, Kádár was very puritan, he had only two hobby: the cigarette and chess, his neighbour just called him "Uncle János". Check the wealth of present capitalist politicians and their oligarch, there is a world difference between them and commie leaders. In the communism the punishment of corruption was often death penalty, now it would be impossible. The communist politicians truly believed in the socialism, they did not realy care about the money, present capitalist politicians dont belive in any ideology, the mega companies just buy them as you buy a kilo of sugar in the market. The real eastern block was different to the half capitalist Yugoslavia.

[Aldaris]

All through the centuries I am sure there have been people saying the same things, but somehow it (Prostitution) is obviously part of the human condition
because its always been with us as long as we have recorded history. ( there is plethora of evidence - you can see in ancient India in buildings ornaments of naked female temple goddeses whatever they were called , the evidence is in multiple cultures to some extent.

We have been over this. Nobody is denying it. No act, whether criminal or not, can be completely eradicated from society; that's not an argument for taking any act, including prostitution, less seriously, let alone ignoring it altogether.

I am not saying that as some type of excuse for it, you may rightfully say oh well murder has happened throughout history too so why not legalise it bla bla bla,
prostitution when consentual is not by any stretch on par with actual crimes like murder or rape although you can make an argument
that where there is trafficking under the guise of prostitution there is Rape and I would agree with that argument.

That's what we disagree on, and it's a matter of values. You won't convince me and I probably won't convince you. If I were a state attorney, I would prosecute a pimp just as hard as I would prosecute a murderer. And I'm certainly not claiming that consensual prostitution is an instance of rape. It's obviously not, but the criminal nature of an act isn't defined solely by the sheer damage it causes.

But purely from perspective of the women who agree to provide sex services for money this can not be called rape.

Yeah, only loonies would think so.

If you are willing to call that rape then we might as well call the sex that women have during one night stands with people they met in a bar , I said people to include gay women too. Or instances people hooking up on Tinder and having sex, if they agree it to be consenting I see no difference in a woman who
proactively decided to buy lingerie and make up to wear to work as a sex service provider.

As I implied earlier, of course, I don't call that rape. And even though I despise such women, it is too much of a stretch to compare them to institutionalized prostitutes, who literally make a whole living out of that.

But if we are going to become outraged and worried about the potential slippery slopes of cosentual sex between people whom are not partners or are promiscuous or swingers or sex clubs , well then we may as well all become radical Muslims and make women dress like Ninjas and ban sex before marriage.

The slippery slope argument would be to claim that if we ban prostitution, things will evolve in that direction. I have two issues with this. Firstly, it's not necessarily true. A conservative society with no prostitution but also no burkas is not a utopia. Secondly, you seem to assume that wearing burkas or regulating sex is inherently negative or backwards, which is not the case either. There are many benefits to how moros deal with women.

You can half way achieve this things in a Totalitarian society. But even in such society's the Spirit of humans will to be free and not to be treated as children will find ways to prevail. Hence even if you ban prostitution , you will still have some college dorm where a certain girl secretly agree's with certain male or males to echange sex or sexual activities for currency. This has always happened in some form or another.
But again humans can always try to cheat nature.

Yes, you've circled back to the beginning somewhat. Even if I ban prostitution, there will still be instances of 'some college dorm where a certain girl secretly agrees with certain male or males to exchange sex or sexual activities for currency'—nobody is claiming otherwise. However, my point is that governments have all the means to fight it and mitigate it to a minimal degree. That's why we have laws and means to enforce them in the first place.