Why don't evolutionists go live in the zoo with the monkeys?

[Hektor12]

To be honest, it doesnt look that bad idea, i might consider it.

[Petalpusher]

Evolution is a fascinating study beyond just the huge amount of evidence that corroborates it. The History of how it has been accepted and has had no legitmate challenges. The challenges have only strengthened it.

It isn't as bloody as the History of the Heliocentric model of our Solar System. No Brunos were martyred. But it is more compelliing siince it happened well into the Age of Reason. Most people were past superstition by then.

It's also a great human story to discover in my opinion. You can only imagine what those "wait a second..." moments must have felt like, alone, on the Galapagos islands, etc.. How vertiginous it would have been to entertain this was possible since it would change how we view the world forever.

I would honestly encourage anyone, even if you only have some little doubts, to read at least the book. I think there is some kind of movies as well (i haven't seen it). Beyond the scientific implications it's the greatest manifestation of a genius mind at work. Some other discoveries are interesting and impressive as well but less accessible to the general public. This had initially so much to do with a path of doubts and intuitions in a field work more so than it is usual in science, putting to the test something that was at the time completely insane. Except it's no more a theory despite the historical label, it's not just a best guess we have for now, it's been constantly daily proven, you can even witness it almost in real time in micro organisms.

[#Oda#]

Modern leftists would believe the moon is made out of cheese if it was printed in textbooks. They believe in evolution not because they understand it but because they are conformists, far from the original revolutionnary definition (progress vs the king).

They often contradict evolution principles without realizing it, as if humans would be of all the species, one without races and marked differences between them, that never went through selections and pressures for different attributes and level of intelligence, while ironically being the most specialized at it on the planet. Same applies to gender, they now negate a lot of the biology and evolutionary psychology aspect of it.

Like there are very different kinds of rightists, for example radical atheists and fundamental Christians, there are also very different kinds of leftists, Petalpusher. Being a thoughtful person you ought to know that.

[Petalpusher]

Like there are very different kinds of rightists, for example radical atheists and fundamental Christians, there are also very different kinds of leftists, Petalpusher. Being a thoughtful person you ought to know that.

I ve honestly never encountered a left person being for example platist or creationist (in a serious sense). They are way too afraid to be excluded by the majority group again not because they have digged into the questions or understand the science. The furthest they can go is some sort of new age pseudo spiritual beliefs, anything that can signal some higher virtues at low cost without getting into too much social risks of exclusion. For better, and for worse i reckon, "rightists" are overall far more aberrant.

[BakersfieldChimp]

It's also a great human story to discover in my opinion. You can only imagine what those "wait a second..." moments must have felt like, alone, on the Galapagos islands, etc.. How vertiginous it would have been to entertain this was possible since it would change how we view the world forever.

I would honestly encourage anyone, even if you only have some little doubts, to read at least the book. I think there is some kind of movies as well (i haven't seen it). Beyond the scientific implications it's the greatest manifestation of a genius mind at work. Some other discoveries are interesting and impressive as well but less accessible to the general public. This had initially so much to do with a path of doubts and intuitions in a field work more so than it is usual in science, putting to the test something that was at the time completely insane. Except it's no more a theory despite the historical label, it's not just a best guess we have for now, it's been constantly daily proven, you can even witness it almost in real time in micro organisms.

There have been many great but confused minds who were bent on "debunking" Evolution. It never happened. "Wanting" it to be false, is not the same as it being false.

[Hektor12]

This is a reason as well.. If they steal my bike, i will be mad for sure.

[catgeorge]

Still plenty of self validating reasons why evolution is a thing - but anyone has yet to explain when monkeys in a zoo will become human, is it 1000 years or 100,000 years or should we "trust the science"?

[catgeorge]

If you have yet to understand the human culture is the master of animals then you are the animal.

[BakersfieldChimp]

Still plenty of self validating reasons why evolution is a thing - but anyone has yet to explain when monkeys in a zoo will become human, is it 1000 years or 100,000 years or should we "trust the science"?

It does take an immense number of generations for the subset of a species to evolve into one that better adapted to the given habitat.
That form may have some characteristics of humans but will be different than humans.

It is analogous to how the way rivers flow. Water flows given the current terrain. "when will monkeys in the zoo become human?" is like asking "when will the Columbia river take on the same shape as the Mississippi river?".

It just doesn't work that way.

[Richmondbread]

It does take an immense number of generations for the subset of a species to evolve into one that better adapted to the given habitat.
That form may have some characteristics of humans but will be different than humans.

It is analogous to how the way rivers flow. Water flows given the current terrain. "when will monkeys in the zoo become human?" is like asking "when will the Columbia river take on the same shape as the Mississippi river?".

It just doesn't work that way.

The evolution timeline keeps shifting to fit the narrative. They have to start with a very old earth/universe so they can say it took "milions" of years. Carbon dating is not valid past a certain point and they cannot prove this in any way. They just plug and fill wherever they can. Evolution is like a ship with holes in the bottom. Plug it up here and there so it won't sink into ridiculousness.