Isa Boletini was probably I2-Z17855

[Varda]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isa_Boletini

I will translate several posts from the forum of Serbian DNA project.

https://forum.poreklo.rs/index.php?t...8214#msg198214
Appeared two new BIGY700 results inside of branch I2-Z17855>Y230195>Y230196>FT20796. Both are terminally determined at the level FT20796, but it's possible that there will be a shift. It is Albanian from fis (clan/tribe) Shala. From what i have seen those should be Shalas from around Dečani and Đakovica who are obviously of Slavic origin, unlike 'real' Shalas from Albania and Bajgora which are R1b-PF7564.
Other tested is Ukrainian Kuchansky from Odesa area.

https://forum.poreklo.rs/index.php?t...8284#msg198284
So we have potential branch of Isa Boletini?


https://forum.poreklo.rs/index.php?t...8286#msg198286
It's possible, all that Shalas around Dečani and Peć are I2-Y3120 branches, one of them is I2-PH908.


https://forum.poreklo.rs/index.php?t...8288#msg198288
Probably some Serbs/Slavs which are accepted into the fis a long time ago.


https://forum.poreklo.rs/index.php?t...8289#msg198289
I don't remember 100% tradition of the Dečani Shalas, but i think they are from village Istinić (Istiniq in Albanian) and i would think first it is native Serbian population maybe with medieval roots.


https://forum.poreklo.rs/index.php?t...8290#msg198290
Ancestors of Isa originated from Istinić according to their tradition, not from Seljance as Pavlović wrote. According to their family tradition from Istinić to Boljetin moved Hajdar Dema in the second half of 18th century. Hajdar was father of Murselja, Murselja was father of Adem, and Adem was father of Isa. From Hajdar go paternal lines: Dema-Muja-Nik-Leka-Vuk. Roughly when we took average of 30 years by generation and when we know Isa was born in 1864, it turns out that Muja converted to Islam in the late 17th ot early 18th century. That match to historical processes in region.
I think one tested Shala from Istinići was Z17855.

https://forum.poreklo.rs/index.php?t...8291#msg198291
His oldest known ancestor was exactly Vuk or Uka (Albanian version of name Vuk)?


https://forum.poreklo.rs/index.php?t...8292#msg198292
It is mentioned Lek of Vuk (Leke Vukes), as progenitor... So exactly Vuk.

[Varda]

Isa Boletini even looked Serbian.

[Varda]

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[Pepa]

Isa Boletini even looked Serbian.

No he didn’t lmao his look is alien in serbia. He was r1b. All shalas near his village boletin were tested r1b this haplogroup is majority of shalas i2a is minor anmong them and has nothing to do with boletini.

[Varda]

No he didn’t lmao his look is alien in serbia. He was r1b. All shalas near his village boletin were tested r1b this haplogroup is majority of shalas i2a is minor anmong them and has nothing to do with boletini.

Are you retarded, stupid or troll? Paternal ancestor of Isa Boletini moved from Istinić to Boljetin, and Shalas from Istinić are I2-Z17855. Except that oldest known paternal ancestor of Isa Boletini was Vuk which is Serbian name. Ancestors of Isa Boletini obviously were Serbs which converted to Islam and parallel with that they were albanized. The highest amount of Serbian/Slavic Y DNA in Albanians is in Ulcinj and Metohija. Istinić is in Metohija, not in Kosovo. Btw Dritan Abazović is I2-PH908, that means his ancestors as well were Serbs who converted to Islam and become Albanians.

In Isa Boletini is visible Borreby element which is more common in Serbs than in Albanians.

[Vožd]

Doesn't look Serbian.

[Varda]

Doesn't look Serbian.

He doesn't look Albanian to me. Compare him with Shiptars like Ramush Haradinaj, Ibrahim Rugova, Hashim Tachi, Agim Ramadani etc. Haradinaj and Ramadani are painfully shiptaroids.

[Varda]

He doesn't look Albanian to me. Compare him with Shiptars like Ramush Haradinaj, Ibrahim Rugova, Hashim Tachi, Agim Ramadani etc. Haradinaj and Ražadani are painfully shiptaroids.

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[Pepa]

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What are u on about Isa does look albanian lmao he has the stereotypical dinarid look like the ghegs in old photos. Swarthy albos are native to balkans since Porto illyrians were dark as well so what are you trying to prove lol

[Pepa]

Are you retarded, stupid or troll? Paternal ancestor of Isa Boletini moved from Istinić to Boljetin, and Shalas from Istinić are I2-Z17855. Except that oldest known paternal ancestor of Isa Boletini was Vuk which is Serbian name. Ancestors of Isa Boletini obviously were Serbs which converted to Islam and parallel with that they were albanized. The highest amount of Serbian/Slavic Y DNA in Albanians is in Ulcinj and Metohija. Istinić is in Metohija, not in Kosovo. Btw Dritan Abazović is I2-PH908, that means his ancestors as well were Serbs who converted to Islam and become Albanians.

In Isa Boletini is visible Borreby element which is more common in Serbs than in Albanians.

Saying every shale is i2a in deqan and pej is actually retarded. on Albanian dna project there are shale there with R1b. I2a shaljan are minority, if more shale would test we would see most of them would be r1b. Theres only one i2a sample from that village it doesn’t mean every shale from there is i2a this is the case with other tribes and areas like Kelmend which are ev13 but there are a few minority haplos like R1b. isa is very likely to be r1b and even if he was i2a he identified as albanian and spoke albanian.