Proto-Hungarian man best fit

[Feiichy]

Well yes, in Croatia probably wouldn't pass. However he looks pretty much like older and a bit darker version of one of my Czech friend.

extremely atypical look for Czech

he looks like Dviz said, Uralic ancestry is evident

[dviz]

I think Transylvanian Hungarians Slavic part is mostly Bulgarian. Would explain why Szekelys are so Balkan shifted. Bulgarians are genetically similar to southern Romanians and more southern European than Slavic. In Szeklerland were many Slavic and almost no Romance toponyms. Which implies Szekelys absorbed Bulgarian Slavic speakers who already had genetic similar to Romanians.

It may be true that Szekelys have some Bulgarian ancestry, but most likely they have Romanian ancestry, which is Bulgarian-like. Szekelys have very traditional Vlach customs, with a local touch (dress, woodwork, music, sheepherding lifestyle etc) - it's unlikely they got those customs from Bulgarians. Most likely, Szekelys mixed a lot with Romanians before the fall of Constantinople (after that, the separation between Orthodox and Catholic was strictly enforced).

Urban Transylvanian Hungarians (outside Szekely areas) look mostly West Slavic (Slovakian).

[Feiichy]

Is there any autosomally tested early Magyar sample?

there are literaly tons of them. Elite was most similar to Bashkirs and Volga Tatars

[Feiichy]

It may be true that Szekelys have some Bulgarian ancestry, but most likely they have Romanian ancestry, which is Bulgarian-like. Szekelys have very traditional Vlach customs, with a local touch (dress, woodwork, music, sheepherding lifestyle etc) - it's unlikely they got those customs from Bulgarians. Most likely, Szekelys mixed a lot with Romanians before the fall of Constantinople (after that, the separation between Orthodox and Catholic was strictly enforced).

Urban Transylvanian Hungarians (outside Szekely areas) look mostly West Slavic (Slovakian).

there is total lack of old Romanian toponyms in Szeklerland, unlike Slavic ones
Romanians Slavic ancestry is probably mostly Bulgarian as well, except in the northeast where is is Ruthenian

Bulgarians got in contact with Vlachs and their culture very early, that's why they are so southern shifted.

[Varda]

there are literaly tons of them. Elite was most similar to Bashkirs and Volga Tatars

Could you post one sample?

[Varda]

there is total lack of old Romanian toponyms in Szeklerland, unlike Slavic ones
Romanians Slavic ancestry is probably mostly Bulgarian as well, except in the northeast where is is Ruthenian

Bulgarians got in contact with Vlachs and their culture very early, that's why they are so southern shifted.

I think East Romance speakers (Vlachs) migrated from Bulgarian mountains to Wallachia during the high middle age and absorbed many Slavs in Wallachia. From mixing of Vlach migrants and Slavs who lived in Wallachia for centuries before Vlachs was born Romanian ethnos. Later in the late middle age Vlachs (which in that time had significant Slavic admixture) started to migrate from Wallachia to Transylvania and Moldova. I think also Vlachs before they moved to Wallachia were without Slavic admixture or it was minor in them. Wallachia in the early middle age should be predominantly populated by Slavs but under the rule of various Turkic tribes and lack of Vlachs.

[Demirkazık]

Could you post one sample?

This one is from Southern Urals:

Russia_KusnarenkovoKarajakupovo_Medieval.SG:MS20.SG,0.091058,-0.141159,0.082212,0.058786,-0.069551,-0.013387,0.003525,0.01223,-0.00859,-0.035536,0.024683,-0.002997,0.012785,-0.054911,-0.008822,-0.004375,0.003912,-0.009628,-0.007542,-0.007754,-0.012228,0.010387,0.000986,0.003012,-0.008382

[Nurzat]

I know Csangos in Moldova (Romania) looking exactly like this

[Blondie]

@Blondie

I never said Ugric speakers maybe travelled with Bulgars. Post that you quote is no mine, up is my original post.

Yes, sorry, my mistake.

[Scandal]

there are literaly tons of them. Elite was most similar to Bashkirs and Volga Tatars

Any info on lower castes?