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    Italian average or Spanish average, which one is genetically more French-like?

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    Obviously the Spanish average.
    Target: Eurafricanid_scaled
    Distance: 1.1621% / 0.01162128

    46.4 Catalan
    31.2 West_African_Niger-Congo
    15.8 South-Central_African_Bantu
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    Spanish of course
    [1] "distance%=1.7256"

    West_Iberia_IA,54.4
    Roman_Colonial,17.6
    Berber_EMA,10.8
    Germanic,10.6
    Scotland_EIA,6.6

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    Distance to: French_Average
    0.03136479 Spanish_Average
    0.06590685 Italian_Average


    Not only that, but the all the Spanish averages are closer to the French average compared to all Italian averages:

    Distance to: French_Average
    0.02744429 Spanish_East
    0.03136479 Spanish_Average
    0.03137348 Spanish_Central
    0.03725209 Spanish_West
    0.03900507 Italian_North
    0.06590685 Italian_Average
    0.06890368 Italian_Central
    0.09111312 Italian_South


    I also tested all the French averages as well:


    Distance to: French_North
    0.04399255 Spanish_East
    0.04733717 Spanish_Average
    0.04763242 Iberian_Average
    0.04772675 Spanish_Central
    0.05016944 Italian_North
    0.05179947 Spanish_West
    0.07559737 Italian_Average
    0.07847735 Italian_Central
    0.10004395 Italian_South


    Distance to: French_Center
    0.02481853 Spanish_East
    0.02882951 Spanish_Central
    0.02887397 Spanish_Average
    0.02924128 Iberian_Average
    0.03504238 Spanish_West
    0.03758956 Italian_North
    0.06468645 Italian_Average
    0.06772169 Italian_Central
    0.08996323 Italian_South


    Distance to: French_South
    0.01483167 Spanish_East
    0.01885774 Spanish_Central
    0.01970918 Spanish_Average
    0.02013801 Iberian_Average
    0.02763539 Spanish_West
    0.03385187 Italian_North
    0.06036178 Italian_Average
    0.06332404 Italian_Central
    0.08552384 Italian_South


    All of them were closer to the Spanish East, Central and Average, with only the French North being slightly closer to the Italian North, and only because the Spanish West is the most North African-Admixed out of all the regions (similar to the Portuguese Average).



    These are the Averages used:


    Distance to: Italian_Average
    0.00713913 Italian_Marche
    0.00828036 Italian_Umbria
    0.00835906 Italian_Tuscany
    0.01362502 Italian_Lazio
    0.01609097 Italian_Emilia
    0.01786849 Greek_Thessaly
    0.01789811 Italian_Abruzzo
    0.01874441 Italian_Molise
    0.02144030 Greek_Achaea
    0.02152115 Greek_East_Taygetos


    Distance to: Italian_North
    0.00911927 Italian_Bergamo
    0.00951847 Italian_Piedmont
    0.00968042 Italian_Veneto
    0.01220819 Italian_Trentino_Alto_Adige
    0.01236907 Italian_Lombardy
    0.01638911 Italian_Emilia
    0.01724184 Swiss_Italian
    0.01910708 Italian_Northeast
    0.01987136 Italian_Liguria
    0.02307099 Italian_Tuscany


    Distance to: Italian_Central
    0.00520421 Italian_Umbria
    0.00543859 Italian_Marche
    0.01072380 Italian_Tuscany
    0.01089701 Italian_Lazio
    0.01477623 Italian_Abruzzo
    0.01627514 Italian_Molise
    0.01886112 Italian_Emilia
    0.01964129 Greek_Thessaly
    0.02129493 Greek_East_Taygetos
    0.02183339 Greek_Achaea


    Distance to: Italian_South
    0.00592654 Italian_Apulia
    0.00612236 Italian_Campania
    0.00674378 Italian_Basilicata
    0.01047726 Italian_Abruzzo
    0.01082538 Italian_Calabria
    0.01177895 Greek_Apulia
    0.01245481 Sicilian_East
    0.01414774 Greek_Deep_Mani
    0.01433470 Italian_Molise
    0.01808433 Greek_Cyclades_Milos


    Distance to: French_Average
    0.00635624 French_Occitanie
    0.00772813 French_Auvergne
    0.01393058 BelgianC
    0.01437617 French_Paris
    0.01477595 Swiss_German
    0.01509796 Swiss_French
    0.01668209 French_Nord
    0.01711484 French_Alsace
    0.01933671 French_Provence
    0.01962634 BelgianB


    Distance to: French_North
    0.00714191 French_Nord
    0.00715698 BelgianB
    0.00806637 French_Alsace
    0.00973022 BelgianC
    0.01217998 French_Paris
    0.01264393 Swiss_German
    0.01365603 BelgianA
    0.01489074 French_Pas-de-Calais
    0.01699990 French_Seine-Maritime
    0.02062281 French_Brittany


    Distance to: French_Center
    0.00414363 French_Auvergne
    0.00514270 French_Occitanie
    0.01414025 Swiss_French
    0.01627196 BelgianC
    0.01660784 Swiss_German
    0.01701924 French_Paris
    0.01863752 Spanish_Penedes
    0.01865716 French_Provence
    0.01926281 French_Nord
    0.01971540 French_Alsace


    Distance to: French_South
    0.01033162 French_Auvergne
    0.01079350 Spanish_Penedes
    0.01122922 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
    0.01212483 Spanish_Girona
    0.01242533 Spanish_Lleida
    0.01245138 French_Occitanie
    0.01280220 Spanish_Barcelones
    0.01321878 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
    0.01434193 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
    0.01574085 Spanish_Mallorca


    Distance to: Spanish_West
    0.00744073 Spanish_Galicia
    0.00828167 Spanish_Andalucia
    0.00988581 Portuguese
    0.01053635 Spanish_Extremadura
    0.01329248 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
    0.01345273 Spanish_Alacant
    0.01460585 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
    0.01483791 Spanish_Valencia
    0.01504703 Spanish_Murcia
    0.01594155 Spanish_Cantabria


    Distance to: Spanish_Central
    0.00410852 Spanish_Cantabria
    0.00760148 Spanish_Valencia
    0.00914535 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
    0.00958156 Spanish_Aragon
    0.00979467 Spanish_Pirineu
    0.01076962 Spanish_Cataluna
    0.01112440 Spanish_La_Rioja
    0.01130615 Spanish_Castello
    0.01148009 Spanish_Alacant
    0.01222347 Spanish_Lleida


    Distance to: Spanish_East
    0.00702712 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
    0.00746712 Spanish_Valencia
    0.00835137 Spanish_Lleida
    0.00851157 Spanish_Cantabria
    0.00858999 Spanish_Pirineu
    0.00963186 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
    0.00980623 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
    0.00985433 Spanish_Girona
    0.01017961 Spanish_Castello
    0.01044249 Spanish_Catalunya_Central


    Distance to: Spanish_Average
    0.00729732 Spanish_Valencia
    0.00751687 Spanish_Cantabria
    0.00854751 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
    0.00907148 Spanish_Galicia
    0.00932810 Spanish_Alacant
    0.01031063 Spanish_Cataluna
    0.01053544 Spanish_Andalucia
    0.01107957 Spanish_Aragon
    0.01140273 Spanish_Pirineu
    0.01192577 Spanish_Eivissa


    Distance to: Iberian_Average
    0.00803222 Spanish_Cantabria
    0.00808873 Spanish_Valencia
    0.00855179 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
    0.00894836 Spanish_Galicia
    0.00922193 Spanish_Alacant
    0.01038171 Spanish_Andalucia
    0.01105792 Spanish_Cataluna
    0.01122394 Spanish_Eivissa
    0.01135641 Spanish_Aragon
    0.01183306 Portuguese
    Target: Eurafricanid_scaled
    Distance: 1.1621% / 0.01162128

    46.4 Catalan
    31.2 West_African_Niger-Congo
    15.8 South-Central_African_Bantu
    4.0 Mesopotamian
    2.6 South_American_Native

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    Distance to: French_Paris
    0.02860422 Italian_Aosta_Valley
    0.03290848 Spanish_Penedes
    0.03384151 Spanish_Girona
    0.03453575 Spanish_Barcelones
    0.03479950 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
    0.03622751 Spanish_Mallorca
    0.03643022 Spanish_Lleida
    0.03674764 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
    0.03708756 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
    0.03821970 Spanish_Biscay
    0.03885787 Italian_Northeast
    0.03907765 Spanish_Aragon_North
    0.03913267 Spanish_Cataluna
    0.03991625 Spanish_Castello
    0.04018211 Spanish_Baleares
    0.04116018 Spanish_Pirineu
    0.04152329 Spanish_Burgos
    0.04180282 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
    0.04188481 Italian_Trentino_Alto_Adige
    0.04204114 Spanish_Cantabria
    0.04244420 Spanish_Eivissa
    0.04253761 Spanish_Aragon
    0.04272543 Spanish_Valencia
    0.04280604 Spanish_Alacant
    0.04346244 Spanish_Soria

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valenman View Post
    Distance to: French_Paris
    0.02860422 Italian_Aosta_Valley
    0.03290848 Spanish_Penedes
    0.03384151 Spanish_Girona
    0.03453575 Spanish_Barcelones
    0.03479950 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
    0.03622751 Spanish_Mallorca
    0.03643022 Spanish_Lleida
    0.03674764 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
    0.03708756 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
    0.03821970 Spanish_Biscay
    0.03885787 Italian_Northeast
    0.03907765 Spanish_Aragon_North
    0.03913267 Spanish_Cataluna
    0.03991625 Spanish_Castello
    0.04018211 Spanish_Baleares
    0.04116018 Spanish_Pirineu
    0.04152329 Spanish_Burgos
    0.04180282 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
    0.04188481 Italian_Trentino_Alto_Adige
    0.04204114 Spanish_Cantabria
    0.04244420 Spanish_Eivissa
    0.04253761 Spanish_Aragon
    0.04272543 Spanish_Valencia
    0.04280604 Spanish_Alacant
    0.04346244 Spanish_Soria
    Aosta Valley doesn't count, since it's a genetically french population.



    It's just like as if you used South Tyroleans to compare Italians to Germans.


    Target: Eurafricanid_scaled
    Distance: 1.1621% / 0.01162128

    46.4 Catalan
    31.2 West_African_Niger-Congo
    15.8 South-Central_African_Bantu
    4.0 Mesopotamian
    2.6 South_American_Native

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    Spanish but North Italian is close too.

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    Target: gixajo_scaled
    Distance: 1.7221% / 0.01722076

    41.0 French_South
    30.0 French_Bearn
    17.0 French_Occitanie
    12.0 Italian_Calabria





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    Target: Gallop_scaled
    Distance: 2.6423% / 0.02642268
    64.2 French_South
    13.8 Italian_Calabria
    9.8 French_Bearn
    9.6 Italian_Liguria
    2.6 French_Pas-de-Calais

    Target: brother_scaled
    Distance: 2.9027% / 0.02902665
    63.6 French_South
    23.0 Italian_Calabria
    12.4 French_Bearn
    1.0 French_Bigorre

    Target: Father_scaled
    Distance: 3.2379% / 0.03237875
    25.2 French_Bigorre
    23.0 French_South
    20.2 Italian_Calabria
    17.2 French_Bearn
    14.4 French_Pas-de-Calais

    Distance to: Gallop_scaled
    0.03269451 French_South
    0.03457825 French_Bigorre
    0.03561367 French_Bearn
    0.03654633 French_Chalosse
    0.03729014 French_Auvergne
    0.03861782 French_Provence
    0.03951385 French_Occitanie
    0.04127340 Italian_Trentino_Alto_Adige
    0.04171423 Italian_Aosta_Valley
    0.04458991 Italian_Veneto
    0.04545366 Italian_Liguria
    0.04552153 Italian_Bergamo
    0.04645297 Italian_Lombardy
    0.04866502 Italian_Piedmont
    0.04991609 Italian_Northeast
    0.05056175 French_Paris
    0.05088442 French_Corsica
    0.05251235 Italian_Emilia
    0.05326463 French_Alsace
    0.05333291 French_Nord
    0.05431637 Italian_Friuli_Venezia_Giulia_Sappada
    0.05452921 French_Pas-de-Calais
    0.05809897 Italian_Tuscany
    0.06446297 French_Seine-Maritime
    0.06597169 Italian_Umbria
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    10.4 French_Bearn
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    0.05502148 French_Paris
    0.05517073 French_Alsace
    0.05667886 French_Nord
    0.05906409 French_Pas-de-Calais
    0.06009780 Italian_Umbria
    0.06089816 Italian_Marche

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