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    0.02414414 Nordic_Bronze_Age
    0.02663161 Ireland_Ancient
    0.02697023 Britain_Highlands_Ancient
    0.02969987 Germanic_Mainland
    0.04442476 Belgae_France_North
    0.05080130 Scytho-Sarmatian_West
    0.06644942 Illyrian_Thracian
    0.06877270 Illyrian_Thracian_Ancient
    0.07803605 Scytho-Sarmatian_East
    0.08208418 Iberia_Basque_Ancient
    0.08401206 Tartessian_Iberia_Main
    0.08571738 Massilian_France_South
    0.08794081 Etruscan
    0.08882054 Baltic_Ancient
    0.10118832 Latium
    0.12273396 Hittite_Central
    0.12850641 Magna_Graecia
    0.14765447 Aegean_Ancient
    0.16155535 Sardinia_Ancient
    0.16223518 Caucasus_North_Ancient
    0.18112148 Median
    0.18488270 Caucasus_South_Ancient
    0.18583376 Fennoscandia_Saami_Ancient
    0.18594173 Elamite_Lowlands
    0.18745891 Aramean

    Target: scaled
    Distance: 2.0573% / 0.02057270
    72.0 Nordic_Bronze_Age
    14.8 Ireland_Ancient
    7.6 Massilian_France_South
    3.8 Caucasus_North_Ancient
    1.0 Fennoscandia_Saami_Ancient
    0.8 Paleo_Indigenous_Americas
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    Try the Mixed-Mode (2-way) with Oracle tool:

    Ancient:

    Distance to: SC_Official_AVE_Scaled
    0.01848237 91.80% Nordic_Bronze_Age + 8.20% Elamite_Lowlands
    0.01853092 92.40% Nordic_Bronze_Age + 7.60% Elamite_Zagros_Ancient
    0.01883420 91.00% Nordic_Bronze_Age + 9.00% Caucasus_North_Ancient
    0.01892222 8.20% Median + 91.80% Nordic_Bronze_Age
    0.01898310 92.00% Nordic_Bronze_Age + 8.00% Caucasus_South_Ancient
    0.01928631 92.80% Nordic_Bronze_Age + 7.20% Babylonian_Core
    0.01954692 7.40% Aramean + 92.60% Nordic_Bronze_Age
    0.01956011 88.80% Nordic_Bronze_Age + 11.20% Hittite_Central
    0.01991751 6.80% Ammonite + 93.20% Nordic_Bronze_Age
    0.01996188 7.00% Phoenician + 93.00% Nordic_Bronze_Age
    0.02020700 91.20% Nordic_Bronze_Age + 8.80% Aegean_Ancient
    0.02047609 95.40% Nordic_Bronze_Age + 4.60% Indo_Aryan_Interior
    0.02065853 6.00% Israelite + 94.00% Nordic_Bronze_Age
    0.02082874 9.40% Magna_Graecia + 90.60% Nordic_Bronze_Age
    0.02105992 11.40% Latium + 88.60% Nordic_Bronze_Age
    0.02145440 4.60% Maghreb_East_Ancient + 95.40% Nordic_Bronze_Age
    0.02157071 4.00% Maghreb_West_Ancient + 96.00% Nordic_Bronze_Age
    0.02162054 3.20% Indus_Delta_Ancient + 96.80% Nordic_Bronze_Age
    0.02168002 16.20% Illyrian_Thracian + 83.80% Nordic_Bronze_Age
    0.02176871 4.20% Arabia_Ancient + 95.80% Nordic_Bronze_Age
    0.02177911 84.80% Nordic_Bronze_Age + 15.20% Illyrian_Thracian_Ancient
    0.02187170 71.80% Ireland_Ancient + 28.20% Scytho-Sarmatian_West
    0.02225077 10.80% Etruscan + 89.20% Nordic_Bronze_Age
    0.02255952 96.20% Nordic_Bronze_Age + 3.80% Steppe_Central
    0.02279667 82.60% Ireland_Ancient + 17.40% Scytho-Sarmatian_East


    Using Joshua's new Modern version:

    Distance to: SC_Official_AVE_Scaled
    0.01848237 91.80% Scandinavia_Main + 8.20% Iran_Central
    0.01853092 92.40% Scandinavia_Main + 7.60% Iran_Highlands
    0.01883420 91.00% Scandinavia_Main + 9.00% Caucasus_North
    0.01892222 8.20% Kurdistan_Highlands + 91.80% Scandinavia_Main
    0.01898310 92.00% Scandinavia_Main + 8.00% Caucasus_South
    0.01928631 92.80% Scandinavia_Main + 7.20% Iraq_Mesopotamia
    0.01954692 7.40% Syria_Interior + 92.60% Scandinavia_Main
    0.01956011 88.80% Scandinavia_Main + 11.20% Anatolia_Central
    0.01991751 6.80% Jordan_Plateau + 93.20% Scandinavia_Main
    0.01996188 7.00% Levant_North + 93.00% Scandinavia_Main
    0.02020700 91.20% Scandinavia_Main + 8.80% Aegean
    0.02047609 95.40% Scandinavia_Main + 4.60% South_Asia_Interior
    0.02065853 6.00% Levant_South + 94.00% Scandinavia_Main
    0.02082874 9.40% Italy_South + 90.60% Scandinavia_Main
    0.02105992 11.40% Italy_Central + 88.60% Scandinavia_Main
    0.02145440 4.60% Maghreb_East + 95.40% Scandinavia_Main
    0.02157071 4.00% Maghreb_West + 96.00% Scandinavia_Main
    0.02162054 3.20% India_Bengal_Delta + 96.80% Scandinavia_Main
    0.02168002 16.20% Slavic_South + 83.80% Scandinavia_Main
    0.02176871 4.20% Arabian_Gulf + 95.80% Scandinavia_Main
    0.02177911 84.80% Scandinavia_Main + 15.20% Balkan_General
    0.02187170 71.80% Ireland_Midlands + 28.20% Slavic_West
    0.02225077 10.80% Italy_North + 89.20% Scandinavia_Main
    0.02255952 96.20% Scandinavia_Main + 3.80% Central_Asian
    0.02279667 82.60% Ireland_Midlands + 17.40% Slavic_East
    Target: SC_Ave_IllustrativeDNA
    Distance: 1.9594% / 0.01959386 | R3P
    74.4 Irish
    16.2 Moksha
    9.4 Bulgarian

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScandinavianCelt View Post
    Try the Mixed-Mode (2-way) with Oracle tool:

    Ancient:

    Distance to: SC_Official_AVE_Scaled
    0.01848237 91.80% Nordic_Bronze_Age + 8.20% Elamite_Lowlands
    0.01853092 92.40% Nordic_Bronze_Age + 7.60% Elamite_Zagros_Ancient
    0.01883420 91.00% Nordic_Bronze_Age + 9.00% Caucasus_North_Ancient
    0.01892222 8.20% Median + 91.80% Nordic_Bronze_Age
    0.01898310 92.00% Nordic_Bronze_Age + 8.00% Caucasus_South_Ancient
    0.01928631 92.80% Nordic_Bronze_Age + 7.20% Babylonian_Core
    0.01954692 7.40% Aramean + 92.60% Nordic_Bronze_Age
    0.01956011 88.80% Nordic_Bronze_Age + 11.20% Hittite_Central
    0.01991751 6.80% Ammonite + 93.20% Nordic_Bronze_Age
    0.01996188 7.00% Phoenician + 93.00% Nordic_Bronze_Age
    0.02020700 91.20% Nordic_Bronze_Age + 8.80% Aegean_Ancient
    0.02047609 95.40% Nordic_Bronze_Age + 4.60% Indo_Aryan_Interior
    0.02065853 6.00% Israelite + 94.00% Nordic_Bronze_Age
    0.02082874 9.40% Magna_Graecia + 90.60% Nordic_Bronze_Age
    0.02105992 11.40% Latium + 88.60% Nordic_Bronze_Age
    0.02145440 4.60% Maghreb_East_Ancient + 95.40% Nordic_Bronze_Age
    0.02157071 4.00% Maghreb_West_Ancient + 96.00% Nordic_Bronze_Age
    0.02162054 3.20% Indus_Delta_Ancient + 96.80% Nordic_Bronze_Age
    0.02168002 16.20% Illyrian_Thracian + 83.80% Nordic_Bronze_Age
    0.02176871 4.20% Arabia_Ancient + 95.80% Nordic_Bronze_Age
    0.02177911 84.80% Nordic_Bronze_Age + 15.20% Illyrian_Thracian_Ancient
    0.02187170 71.80% Ireland_Ancient + 28.20% Scytho-Sarmatian_West
    0.02225077 10.80% Etruscan + 89.20% Nordic_Bronze_Age
    0.02255952 96.20% Nordic_Bronze_Age + 3.80% Steppe_Central
    0.02279667 82.60% Ireland_Ancient + 17.40% Scytho-Sarmatian_East


    Using Joshua's new Modern version:

    Distance to: SC_Official_AVE_Scaled
    0.01848237 91.80% Scandinavia_Main + 8.20% Iran_Central
    0.01853092 92.40% Scandinavia_Main + 7.60% Iran_Highlands
    0.01883420 91.00% Scandinavia_Main + 9.00% Caucasus_North
    0.01892222 8.20% Kurdistan_Highlands + 91.80% Scandinavia_Main
    0.01898310 92.00% Scandinavia_Main + 8.00% Caucasus_South
    0.01928631 92.80% Scandinavia_Main + 7.20% Iraq_Mesopotamia
    0.01954692 7.40% Syria_Interior + 92.60% Scandinavia_Main
    0.01956011 88.80% Scandinavia_Main + 11.20% Anatolia_Central
    0.01991751 6.80% Jordan_Plateau + 93.20% Scandinavia_Main
    0.01996188 7.00% Levant_North + 93.00% Scandinavia_Main
    0.02020700 91.20% Scandinavia_Main + 8.80% Aegean
    0.02047609 95.40% Scandinavia_Main + 4.60% South_Asia_Interior
    0.02065853 6.00% Levant_South + 94.00% Scandinavia_Main
    0.02082874 9.40% Italy_South + 90.60% Scandinavia_Main
    0.02105992 11.40% Italy_Central + 88.60% Scandinavia_Main
    0.02145440 4.60% Maghreb_East + 95.40% Scandinavia_Main
    0.02157071 4.00% Maghreb_West + 96.00% Scandinavia_Main
    0.02162054 3.20% India_Bengal_Delta + 96.80% Scandinavia_Main
    0.02168002 16.20% Slavic_South + 83.80% Scandinavia_Main
    0.02176871 4.20% Arabian_Gulf + 95.80% Scandinavia_Main
    0.02177911 84.80% Scandinavia_Main + 15.20% Balkan_General
    0.02187170 71.80% Ireland_Midlands + 28.20% Slavic_West
    0.02225077 10.80% Italy_North + 89.20% Scandinavia_Main
    0.02255952 96.20% Scandinavia_Main + 3.80% Central_Asian
    0.02279667 82.60% Ireland_Midlands + 17.40% Slavic_East
    I'm not sure if you saw my earlier post but this Joshua guy seems to have used modern populations for this list. Grace caught it first. It fooled me. I thought it was actual ancient averaged samples.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gannicus View Post
    I'm not sure if you saw my earlier post but this Joshua guy seems to have used modern populations for this list. Grace caught it first. It fooled me. I thought it was actual ancient averaged samples.

    Notice the uniformity of percentages across these 2-way results? The G25 are too static. Have you made K3 sims? Try 22-chr K3 sims and plot yourself in West Eurasia PCA. I wonder if yours looks anything like mine.

    I would make K36 Centromeres&LCR sims for anyone who wanted to send me their raw data. The Centromeres are apparently quite revealing for our most ancient origins and "brains" of each chromosome, determining how much and where certain DNA falls on each strand.

    Here's how different it looks on this calc you posted:

    Target: SC_K36_Centromeres&LCR_Merged_G25
    Distance: 0.0422% / 0.04221851
    40.2 Ireland_Ancient
    25.8 Fennoscandia_Saami_Ancient
    17.6 Britain_Highlands_Ancient
    13.5 Baltic_Ancient
    2.9 Austronesian_Proto_Oceania


    I've been trying to find out where my modern Silesian comes from and where it went to before me and to me. Some calcs show potentially some portion from Canary Islands. I'm not sure, but it looked that way on a more distant calc I made, somehow mixing with Finnish and perhaps Estonian with lingering Russian perhaps filtering through Moldova and Ukraine via Dagestan and perhaps Voronez and Pinezhsky. Perhaps the Canary Islands served as a proxy for Basque, however. I don't know.

    Look at the %'s here using Centromeres vs both Modern and Ancient:

    Target: SC_K36_Centromeres&LCR_Merged_G25
    Distance: 0.0422% / 0.04221851
    40.2 Ireland_Midlands
    25.8 Fennoscandia_Saami_North
    17.6 Scotland_Highlands
    13.5 Baltic_Region
    2.9 Oceania_Island

    Target: SC_K36_Centromeres&LCR_Merged_G25
    Distance: 0.0422% / 0.04221851
    40.2 Ireland_Ancient
    25.8 Fennoscandia_Saami_Ancient
    17.6 Britain_Highlands_Ancient
    13.5 Baltic_Ancient
    2.9 Austronesian_Proto_Oceania


    It's not possible ancient and modern would have identical % for same groups.

    I just discovered the Ancient and Modern have the same G25 coords, just different labels. No bueno.
    Target: SC_Ave_IllustrativeDNA
    Distance: 1.9594% / 0.01959386 | R3P
    74.4 Irish
    16.2 Moksha
    9.4 Bulgarian

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    Target: voskos_scaled
    Distance: 2.2820% / 0.02281977
    34.4 Aegean_Ancient
    20.8 Latium
    19.2 Phoenician
    12.6 Illyrian_Thracian_Ancient
    5.8 Ammonite
    5.0 Sardinia_Ancient
    1.0 Maghreb_West_Ancient
    0.8 Caucasus_North_Ancient
    0.4 Austronesian_Proto_Oceania

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    Target: Fabricius_simulated_g25_scaled
    Distance: 0.9589% / 0.00958913 | ADC: 0.25x
    32.0 Illyrian_Thracian_Ancient
    22.2 Iberia_Basque_Ancient
    12.2 Maghreb_West_Ancient
    9.0 Illyrian_Thracian
    8.8 Etruscan
    7.6 Belgae_France_North
    4.4 West_Africa_IronAge
    3.8 Germanic_Mainland

    Target: Fabricius_simulated_g25_scaled
    Distance: 0.9723% / 0.00972292 | R5P | ADC: 0.25x
    36.4 Latium
    26.8 Iberia_Basque_Ancient
    20.8 Scytho-Sarmatian_East
    11.8 Maghreb_West_Ancient
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    Distance to: CDG_scaled
    0.01700078 Britain_Highlands_Ancient
    0.01849190 Ireland_Ancient
    0.02214309 Nordic_Bronze_Age
    0.02482297 Germanic_Mainland
    0.03986413 Belgae_France_North
    0.05186769 Scytho-Sarmatian_West
    0.06938545 Illyrian_Thracian
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    0.16894720 Caucasus_North_Ancient
    0.18712232 Median
    0.18943032 Caucasus_South_Ancient
    0.19239420 Aramean
    0.19313824 Elamite_Lowlands
    0.19565111 Fennoscandia_Saami_Ancient

    Target: CDG_scaled
    Distance: 1.6464% / 0.01646395
    62.6 Britain_Highlands_Ancient
    28.8 Ireland_Ancient
    3.6 Scytho-Sarmatian_East
    3.0 Scytho-Sarmatian_West
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gannicus View Post
    I'm not sure if you saw my earlier post but this Joshua guy seems to have used modern populations for this list. Grace caught it first. It fooled me. I thought it was actual ancient averaged samples.
    So what are the modern equivalents to the ones listed here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JerryS. View Post
    So what are the modern equivalents to the ones listed here?
    Same website as other under Calculators
    Target: SC_Ave_IllustrativeDNA
    Distance: 1.9594% / 0.01959386 | R3P
    74.4 Irish
    16.2 Moksha
    9.4 Bulgarian

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    Quote Originally Posted by JerryS. View Post
    So what are the modern equivalents to the ones listed here?
    My guess is he averaged a few modern individuals together. I think here the "Nordic_Bronze_Age" sample is an average created by averaging several modern Norwegian individual coordinates together or merging modern Swedish, Norwegian, and Danish individuals together.

    This first result is what the modern Norwegian average scores:

    Distance to: Norwegian
    0.00629379 Nordic_Bronze_Age
    0.01466645 Britain_Highlands_Ancient
    0.01629770 Ireland_Ancient
    0.02569193 Germanic_Mainland
    0.04483143 Belgae_France_North
    0.04720062 Scytho-Sarmatian_West
    0.07228396 Scytho-Sarmatian_East
    0.07234195 Illyrian_Thracian
    0.07513143 Illyrian_Thracian_Ancient
    0.08253872 Baltic_Ancient
    0.08362172 Iberia_Basque_Ancient
    0.08752757 Tartessian_Iberia_Main
    0.09015589 Massilian_France_South
    0.09408326 Etruscan
    0.10920220 Latium
    0.13148126 Hittite_Central
    0.13628065 Magna_Graecia
    0.15701766 Aegean_Ancient
    0.16711099 Sardinia_Ancient
    0.17250275 Caucasus_North_Ancient
    0.18649110 Fennoscandia_Saami_Ancient
    0.19110061 Median
    0.19506486 Caucasus_South_Ancient
    0.19581430 Elamite_Lowlands
    0.19690476 Aramean


    Distance to: Norwegian
    0.02423431 Norway_IA.SG
    0.02880820 Sweden_IA_2.SG
    0.03344088 Sweden_IA.SG
    0.04972527 Sweden_LNBA


    Averaged the Iron Age Scandinavians shown above into one to show what the modern Norwegian scores:

    Distance to: Norwegian
    0.02000369 Scandinavia_quickavg



    This is why I'm more convinced these are some random modern averages he put together and labeled them according to the ancient populations that lived there in ancient times.

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