Early Slav v1 (scaled) G25 calculator

**ScandinavianCelt** · 08-25-2025, 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by Dušan

Target: Dušan_scaled
Distance: 2.2770% / 0.02277048
33.0 Greek_East_Macedonia_and_Thrace
30.0 Lithuanian_VZ
24.4 Bulgarian
9.4 Spanish_Asturias
3.2 Serbian

I have UPDATED the samples to also include 3 Croatian Early Slavs and 6 Serbian Early Slavs. Try again and see if you get some?

I'm closest to Croatian Early Slav 1, but it doesn't show in my results.

**ScandinavianCelt** · 08-25-2025, 02:50 PM

Try 2x with your best K36 (my Superkit) 22-chromosomes. I'm showing chunks of different Early Slavs this way:

Target: chr5
Distance: 2.9213% / 0.02921325 | ADC: 2x RC
54.6 Swedish
45.4 Croatia_Early_Slav1

Target: chr6
Distance: 2.3355% / 0.02335530 | ADC: 2x RC
56.0 Swedish
44.0 Czech_Early_Slav2

Target: chr9
Distance: 2.9611% / 0.02961131 | ADC: 2x RC
48.6 BelgianB
44.6 Serbia_Early_Slav4
6.8 Austrian

Target: chr14
Distance: 3.0490% / 0.03048996 | ADC: 2x RC
52.2 Moldovan
47.8 Croatia_Early_Slav3

Target: chr21
Distance: 5.5650% / 0.05564976 | ADC: 2x RC
100.0 Czech_Early_Slav2

Target: chr22
Distance: 2.2735% / 0.02273479 | ADC: 2x RC
56.2 Moldovan_o
43.8 Czech_Early_Slav1

**leachim_x** · 08-25-2025, 04:09 PM

Target: Lx_K36
Distance: 0.8411% / 0.00841085
41.4 German
27.6 English_Cornwall
12.0 BelgianB
8.8 Welsh
6.4 Slovakian
3.8 English

Distance to: Lx_K36
0.01160148 German
0.01466504 Dutch
0.01510975 Welsh
0.01658319 BelgianA
0.01669339 English
0.01704051 French_Brittany
0.01757715 English_Cornwall
0.02030225 Scottish
0.02083033 BelgianB
0.02110008 Danish
0.02154263 German_Hamburg
0.02266115 French_Nord
0.02418846 Irish
0.02520293 Austrian
0.02573392 BelgianC
0.02625208 Norwegian
0.03328082 Swedish
0.03541979 Czech
0.03585528 Hungarian
0.04032892 Slovenian
0.04092974 Serbia_Early_Slav6:I15537
0.04561628 Croatia_Early_Slav1:I26747
0.04688877 Polish_Silesian
0.04788622 Slovakian
0.04805841 Serbia_Early_Slav5:I15538
0.04999663 Croatia_Early_Slav3:I26745
0.05035665 Serbia_Early_Slav4:I15540
0.05041000 Serbia_Early_Slav2:I15542
0.05320564 Czech_Early_Slav1:RISE569
0.05336849 Serbian

First slavic country match is Czech, whitch makes sense. But pretty high distances to all early Slav samplels.

Distance to: Czech
0.01812017 Hungarian
0.02031670 German_Hamburg
0.02236184 Polish_Silesian
0.02254353 Croatia_Early_Slav1:I26747
0.02266246 Slovakian
0.02356150 Slovenian
0.02601852 Austrian
0.02780821 German
0.02798057 Serbia_Early_Slav6:I15537
0.03076745 Moldovan_o
0.03178110 Czech_Early_Slav1:RISE569
0.03238124 Swedish
0.03286697 Croatia_Early_Slav3:I26745
0.03435011 Czech_Early_Slav2:I4137
0.03606663 Danish
0.03777437 Dutch
0.04002470 Norwegian
0.04162621 BelgianA
0.04255067 Moldovan
0.04289884 Welsh
0.04378661 Scottish
0.04404071 English
0.04456224 Serbia_Early_Slav2:I15542
0.04568528 English_Cornwall
0.04618062 French_Brittany
0.04684776 French_Nord
0.04724922 BelgianB
0.04743046 Serbian
0.04795493 Irish
0.04848690 Serbia_Early_Slav4:I15540

I think the relatively large distances between modern Czech people and early Slavic samples show the significant Celtic and Germanic influences on the Czechs.

**ScandinavianCelt** · 08-25-2025, 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by leachim_x

Target: Lx_K36
Distance: 0.8411% / 0.00841085
41.4 German
27.6 English_Cornwall
12.0 BelgianB
8.8 Welsh
6.4 Slovakian
3.8 English

Distance to: Lx_K36
0.01160148 German
0.01466504 Dutch
0.01510975 Welsh
0.01658319 BelgianA
0.01669339 English
0.01704051 French_Brittany
0.01757715 English_Cornwall
0.02030225 Scottish
0.02083033 BelgianB
0.02110008 Danish
0.02154263 German_Hamburg
0.02266115 French_Nord
0.02418846 Irish
0.02520293 Austrian
0.02573392 BelgianC
0.02625208 Norwegian
0.03328082 Swedish
0.03541979 Czech
0.03585528 Hungarian
0.04032892 Slovenian
0.04092974 Serbia_Early_Slav6:I15537
0.04561628 Croatia_Early_Slav1:I26747
0.04688877 Polish_Silesian
0.04788622 Slovakian
0.04805841 Serbia_Early_Slav5:I15538
0.04999663 Croatia_Early_Slav3:I26745
0.05035665 Serbia_Early_Slav4:I15540
0.05041000 Serbia_Early_Slav2:I15542
0.05320564 Czech_Early_Slav1:RISE569
0.05336849 Serbian

First slavic country match is Czech, whitch makes sense. But pretty high distances to all early Slav samplels.

Distance to: Czech
0.01812017 Hungarian
0.02031670 German_Hamburg
0.02236184 Polish_Silesian
0.02254353 Croatia_Early_Slav1:I26747
0.02266246 Slovakian
0.02356150 Slovenian
0.02601852 Austrian
0.02780821 German
0.02798057 Serbia_Early_Slav6:I15537
0.03076745 Moldovan_o
0.03178110 Czech_Early_Slav1:RISE569
0.03238124 Swedish
0.03286697 Croatia_Early_Slav3:I26745
0.03435011 Czech_Early_Slav2:I4137
0.03606663 Danish
0.03777437 Dutch
0.04002470 Norwegian
0.04162621 BelgianA
0.04255067 Moldovan
0.04289884 Welsh
0.04378661 Scottish
0.04404071 English
0.04456224 Serbia_Early_Slav2:I15542
0.04568528 English_Cornwall
0.04618062 French_Brittany
0.04684776 French_Nord
0.04724922 BelgianB
0.04743046 Serbian
0.04795493 Irish
0.04848690 Serbia_Early_Slav4:I15540

I think the relatively large distances between modern Czech people and early Slavic samples show the significant Celtic and Germanic influences on the Czechs.

Do any of them show up for you at the other distances .25x .5x 1x 2x?

**leachim_x** · 08-25-2025, 09:38 PM

Originally Posted by ScandinavianCelt

Do any of them show up for you at the other distances .25x .5x 1x 2x?

Nope

Target: Lx_K36
Distance: 0.8873% / 0.00887313 | ADC: 1x
72.2 German
27.8 Welsh

Target: Lx_K36
Distance: 0.8600% / 0.00859961 | ADC: 0.5x
64.6 German
32.6 Welsh
2.8 English_Cornwall

Target: Lx_K36
Distance: 0.8487% / 0.00848708 | ADC: 0.25x
61.6 German
22.2 Welsh
13.2 English_Cornwall
2.8 BelgianB
0.2 English

**Rædwald** · 08-25-2025, 09:42 PM

Target: Rædwald
Distance: 1.9099% / 0.01909875 | ADC: 1x RC
45.8 Scottish
42.6 German
11.6 French_Brittany

Target: Rædwald
Distance: 1.3721% / 0.01372150 | ADC: 0.5x RC
58.0 French_Brittany
23.4 BelgianA
10.4 Finnish_Southwest
8.2 Tatar_Mishar

Target: Rædwald
Distance: 1.1627% / 0.01162703 | ADC: 0.25x RC
38.2 Scottish
28.0 Serbia_Early_Slav5
15.4 Finnish_Southwest
8.6 French_Brittany
7.0 Croatia_Early_Slav1
1.8 Tatar_Lipka
1.0 Baniya_Uttar_Pradesh_Gupta

Code:

Distance to:	Rædwald
0.02196548	Dutch
0.02219219	Scottish
0.02274501	French_Brittany
0.02276712	Welsh
0.02312826	German
0.02314551	English
0.02425936	BelgianA
0.02444447	English_Cornwall
0.02581617	Irish
0.02604479	Norwegian
0.02694466	Danish
0.02726251	German_Hamburg
0.03050448	French_Nord
0.03089547	BelgianB
0.03274353	Swedish
0.03323740	Austrian
0.03341860	BelgianC
0.03844346	Hungarian
0.03892779	Czech
0.04552711	Slovenian
0.04564121	Croatia_Early_Slav1:I26747
0.04601955	Serbia_Early_Slav6:I15537
0.04932455	Serbia_Early_Slav5:I15538
0.05107639	Polish_Silesian
0.05287935	Slovakian

**celticdragongod** · 08-25-2025, 10:20 PM

Distance to: CDG_scaled
0.01700078 Scottish
0.01810836 English_Cornwall
0.01849190 Irish
0.01901970 Welsh
0.01905197 English
0.01936057 Danish
0.01968100 Dutch
0.02022070 Norwegian
0.02452241 French_Brittany
0.02795814 German_Hamburg
0.02844863 BelgianA
0.02902554 German
0.02970467 Swedish
0.03716237 BelgianB
0.03819926 French_Nord
0.04003493 BelgianC
0.04158597 Austrian
0.04306073 Czech
0.04782697 Hungarian
0.04792833 Croatia_Early_Slav1:I26747
0.05397958 Slovenian
0.05406154 Polish_Silesian
0.05565531 Serbia_Early_Slav6:I15537
0.05821119 Slovakian
0.06120997 Czech_Early_Slav1:RISE569

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 1.4870% / 0.01486977
61.6 English_Cornwall
28.6 Irish
5.2 Lithuanian_VZ
4.0 Finnish_Southwest
0.6 Baniya_Uttar_Pradesh_Gupta

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 1.4976% / 0.01497639 | ADC: 0.25x RC
59.0 English_Cornwall
31.2 Irish
5.6 Finnish_Southwest
4.2 Lithuanian_VZ

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 1.5784% / 0.01578431 | ADC: 0.5x RC
51.0 English_Cornwall
31.6 Norwegian
12.0 Irish
5.4 Danish

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 1.6047% / 0.01604681 | ADC: 1x RC
39.2 English_Cornwall
32.6 Danish
28.2 Scottish

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 1.7001% / 0.01700078 | ADC: 2x RC
100.0 Scottish

**rothaer** · 08-26-2025, 12:20 AM

Originally Posted by ScandinavianCelt

I added Austrian, Bulgarian, Romanian, Serbian

A meaningful calculator has no overlaps in its source components. It's pointlesss to have people in the source that are competing with CZE_Early_Slav. Because then you get arbitrary results regarding what Slavic source components are preferred for modelling.

**ScandinavianCelt** · 08-26-2025, 04:43 AM

Originally Posted by rothaer

A meaningful calculator has no overlaps in its source components. It's pointlesss to have people in the source that are competing with CZE_Early_Slav. Because then you get arbitrary results regarding what Slavic source components are preferred for modelling.

Okay thanks. What do you get if you take those out that you highlighted?

**Vessna** · 08-26-2025, 08:48 AM

No Slav for me.

Target: Vessna_scaled
Distance: 1.3653% / 0.01365338 | ADC: 0.25x RC
52.6 Lithuanian_RA
24.6 Lithuanian_VA
10.0 Turkish_Chitak
8.2 Polish_Silesian
3.8 Russian_Krasnoborsky
0.8 Moldovan_o