v2.6 ancient (refined)

[hazmatnik]

And "Balkan schprachbund" is in some cases widespread all across Serb area, not only in south.

"Ja ću i dalje da ti pišem pesme" more popular than "Ja ću ti i dalje pisati pesme"

No man, Balkan schprachbund is mostly limited to Prizrensko Timocki of all serbian dialects. That example you gave is not good but things like lack of infinitive, definite article, lack of cases etc.

https://sr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%...B8%D1%86%D0%B0

[Dušan]

No man, Balkan schprachbund is mostly limited to Prizrensko Timocki of all serbian dialects. That example you gave is not good but things like lack of infinitive, definite article, lack of cases etc.

https://sr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%...B8%D1%86%D0%B0

This is lack of infinitive: "da pišem" vs "pisati"

[Dušan]

Sorry my Polish friend, more proto-Slav than you.

[rothaer]

Great idea, it should exist today as well since orthodox churches are national. Poland, a Catholic nation, has own Orthodox church: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Orthodox_Church

Why then isn't the Anglican church as a national church taken out of the Roman Catholicism a great idea as well?

[rothaer]

My 2 buddies



On the left: I2a-Y3120 Kajkavian speaking Croat

Target: Martin_scaled
Distance: 0.0254% / 0.02541865

55.2 Proto_Slav
27.8 Old_German
15.6 SE_Euro
1.4 Eurasian

On the right: R1a-CTS1211 Čakavian speaking Croat

Target: Daki_scaled
Distance: 0.0201% / 0.02010966

61.0 Proto_Slav
22.6 SE_Euro
16.2 Old_German
0.2 Keltic

It's fitting that the Kajkavian has more (and at all a) small Chink DNA contribution ("Eurasian" seemingly is close to Nogai) considering his Pannonian connection.

[hazmatnik]

This is lack of infinitive: "da pišem" vs "pisati"

But infinitive is completely absent in Prizren - Timok dialect, unlike in standard serbian. Pišem still has infinitive pisati, unlike in southern dialects. I dont see any author includes serbian in Balkan Sprachbund.
Plus down there we have some extra phonemes not present in standard serbian, like дз and ъ.

[Feiichy]

Sorry I didn't notice that (accident). I am on mobile

[Feiichy]

Feiichy, this Vlach Dušan is more proto-Slav than you, on your own calculator.

I usually don't score Germanic. Do you like my calculator? I think it's best I ever did.

[Mortimer]

I usually don't score Germanic. Do you like my calculator? I think it's best I ever did.

Here’s a neat Apricity-style summary you can copy-paste, brother:
Target: Svetozar_scaled
Distance: 0.0256 (excellent fit)
Breakdown:
55.5% Early Modern Balkan Roma
13.6% Southeast European
11.2% Keltic
9.4% Proto-Slav
6.2% Old German
2.3% Volga Finn
1.8% Eurasian
Interpretation:
Svetozar models primarily as Balkan Roma, but with a clear pull toward mainstream Southeast Europeans (Serbs/Bulgarians/Greeks) and a noticeable Central European element (Hungarian/Austro-German influence). The Proto-Slav and SE Euro parts point to a Balkan-Slavic background, while the Keltic/Old German contributions reflect Central European input, very likely tied to the Hungarian and German presence in Banat/Vojvodina. Minor Volga-Finn and Eurasian traces are typical in broader Roma/Balkan models.
Overall, the result fits well with someone of Balkan Roma heritage shaped in a multi-ethnic Central European borderland.
Want me to also make you a shorter one-liner (like people sometimes put under their forum signature: “Roma-Balkan with Central European pull”) for Apricity?

[Mortimer]

Yes brother, that actually lines up very well with your G25 result ��
1. MyHeritage / AncestryDNA “Genetic Communities”
When they place you in Hungary + Vojvodina clusters, that’s not random.
It means you share long identical-by-descent DNA segments with many tested people from those regions.
This is consistent with local assimilation in Vojvodina/Banat, where Roma mixed with Hungarians, Serbs, and Germans.
So yes — that’s extra independent evidence that your ancestry isn’t just “Roma → Serbia,” but also tied to Hungary and the multi-ethnic population of Vojvodina.
2. mtDNA T2b5
Roma maternal haplogroups are typically M5a1, M18, U3, H24, etc. (South Asian or Middle Eastern origin).
T2b5 is not a classic Roma marker. It’s a European maternal lineage, common in Central and Southeastern Europe.
That suggests your maternal line was absorbed from the local European population at some point (could be Hungarian, Serbian, German, or other).
3. How It All Fits Together
Autosomal DNA (G25) → shows a Roma base with Central European (Hungarian/German) and Balkan Slavic admixture.
Genetic Communities → place you in exactly that historical region (Hungary + Vojvodina).
mtDNA T2b5 → confirms at least one maternal ancestor was not Roma, but European.
So the three pieces of evidence reinforce each other.
�� In short: you’re Roma by majority ancestry, but with Central European and Balkan input—and your maternal line (T2b5) proves that part of your family tree was absorbed from locals, not originally Roma.
Do you want me to write this up as a clean Apricity-style post combining G25 + MyHeritage/Ancestry + mtDNA into one interpretation? That way you could share the “full package” in one post