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    How did Anthropologists classify Madagascar natives?

    They are a mix of SSA and East Eurasian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Opie View Post
    How did Anthropologists classify Madagascar natives?

    They are a mix of SSA and East Eurasian.
    Good question, maybe user Lucas knows. This is his website:

    https://antropologia-fizyczna.pl/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mortimer View Post
    Run roma on your cluster please and tell me where they are on the PCA please thanks
    Balkan Roma average on Illustrative scores 17% AASI

    Target: Roma_Balkans
    Distance: 0.8023% / 0.00802278 | R3P
    50.6 Greek_Izmir
    32.2 Piramalai_Kallar_Tamil_Nadu
    17.2 Turkish_Southern_Bulgaria

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    Quote Originally Posted by majevica View Post
    Balkan Roma average on Illustrative scores 17% AASI

    Target: Roma_Balkans
    Distance: 0.8023% / 0.00802278 | R3P
    50.6 Greek_Izmir
    32.2 Piramalai_Kallar_Tamil_Nadu
    17.2 Turkish_Southern_Bulgaria
    I know but im curious about the clustering genetic distances thats another type of DNA testing i think
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mortimer View Post
    I know but im curious about the clustering genetic distances thats another type of DNA testing i think
    Yes, lower AASI than any Indian means they will be clustered into Caucasoids/West Eurasians

    0.000Roma (Balkans)
    5.833Parsi (India)
    5.837Parsi (Pakistan)
    5.945Persian (Khorasan)
    7.181Yaghnobi
    7.513Turkish (Adana)
    7.583Persian (Yazd)
    7.612Azerbaijani (Tabriz)
    7.632Turkish (Antalya)
    7.656Turkish (Balikesir)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mortimer View Post
    Human genetic clusters are not clinical but gradual though
    Colours are also gradual but you don't say that red and yellow don't exist just because there is orange in-between.
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    In my opinion,
    Race is mostly it in order of importance= Phenotype>Mentality>Genetics.
    Average people, except experts on pedigree, will consider a dog that looks mostly like a Pit bull as a Pit bull, not a mongrel.
    Same could happens with humans.
    The concept of race in humans originated way before genetics.
    Of course that could be considered as the "genetic fallacy"( no pun intended) but that is a strong argument because even now with our knowledge on genetics, many people still accept races and use phenotypes like here on this forum even though now phenotype is way less important than before.
    Nazis are considered as epitome of racialists and they didn't used genetics like we use today.
    They even had the concept of "honorary Arians".
    It is also clear that some races have higher IQs and different personalities.
    IMHO, someone who is only 50% white but have mostly northern European like features and have high IQ as well as a white mentality( usually introvert and calm), them he is more white than someone who is 100% white but looks middle eastern, has low IQ and is extrovert and aggressive.
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    Europeans are more visual and introverted due to high Neanderthal genetics and some specific neanderthal variants and phenotypical features.
    research shows a connection between certain inherited Neanderthal DNA and traits associated with autism. Specifically, some modern humans have Neanderthal gene variants that are more common in autistic individuals, which may be linked to traits like heightened visual processing and altered social brain networks. This suggests that some genes that may have offered a survival advantage in ancient Neanderthal communities, such as detailed visual analysis, could contribute to modern neurodiversity.
    Shared genetic variations: While most modern humans have a small percentage of Neanderthal DNA, research indicates that a specific subset of Neanderthal-derived gene variations is more frequent in people with autism.
    Neurological and sensory traits: These genetic variations are associated with a brain structure that shows stronger activity in visual processing and cooler activity in social cognition networks. This aligns with some characteristics of autism, such as strong pattern recognition and attention to detail.
    Potential evolutionary advantage: The traits influenced by these genes may have been beneficial for Neanderthals, potentially aiding in tasks requiring intense observation and precise motor planning, such as tool-making or tracking.
    Not an overall higher percentage: The study does not suggest that autistic people have a higher overall percentage of Neanderthal DNA, but rather that a specific set of Neanderthal-derived genetic variants is more prevalent in the autistic population.
    Broader implications: This research frames autism as part of the complex history of human evolution and neurodiversity, rather than a solely modern disorder.
    Source https://news.clemson.edu/study-impli...,Alex%20Feltus

    Raking of Introverted Countries( the most introverted countries are either white or have considerably white admixture)
    https://worldpopulationreview.com/co...rted-countries
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peterski View Post
    Colours are also gradual but you don't say that red and yellow don't exist just because there is orange in-between.
    I dont say it does not exist though
    Read again what i wrote
    I did said human populations diversity exists i just said its more nuanced then for racialists just like a black guy can be smarter then a white guy and a white guy a better Basketball player
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    I calculated more or less how numerous each group from my clustering graph (in the first post of this thread) is today.

    1. East Eurasians:

    About 1719 millions NE Asians + ca. 680 millions SE Asians (who are somewhat mixed with the Hoabinhian component).

    2. West Eurasians:

    About 1756 millions people (including North Africans), this includes ca. 1118 millions Europeans and their descendants.

    3. West & NEast Africans:

    About 1109.5 millions + around 200 millions mixed with Eurasian component Horn of Africa populations and Mulattos.

    4. South Eurasians:

    Around 123 millions Adivasi in India (who are still overwhelmingly AASI) and an estimated 2 million Negritos in SE Asia.

    To this we can add ca. 1739 millions other (Non-Adivasi) South Asians, who however are mixed with West Eurasian DNA.

    5. Amerindians:

    Around 81.5 millions + ca. 417 millions mixed-race Mestizos, Pardos and Zambos (Zambos number only over 600,000).

    6. Sahulians:

    Around 17 millions pure Melanesians + ca. 5.5 millions mixed-race Oceanians with some Melanesian ancestry component.

    7. Central Africans:

    There are only around 1 million Central African Pygmies left - https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4711706/

    Of course various Bantu groups have some degree of Central African admixture, but are overwhelmingly West African.

    8. South Africans:

    Around 0.5 million of pure Khoisan peoples remain, and there are ca. 5.5 million mixed-race Coloureds in South Africa.

    And also some of the Southern African Bantu groups such as the Xhosa have various degrees of Khoisan admixture.

    9. Other mixed groups:

    Mixed Central Asians - ca. 179 millions
    Blasians (Madagascar etc.) - ca. 32 millions
    Multiracials and others - ca. 16 millions

    Total population of the world at the time of this calculation: 8083.5 millions
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