White American State Averages K15

[gixajo]

G25 simulated from K13 and K15 are grotesquely inaccurate.

Only K36 produces simulations that are relatively close to real coordinates.

Maybe, but the difference among them is not that much.

[gixajo]

I remember very vividly from all the way back in 2022 when simulation tools were created the experiments had shown that K36 sims deviate the least on average.

I made simulated G25 coordinates based on K13, K15 etc. well before those online tools appeared.

[Defcon2]

Maybe, but the difference among them is not that much.

I created simulated coordinates, what do you think? There is quite a difference, but they also have similarities.



Distances:

Spoiler!

Distance to: Defcon2_K13
0.01595682 Spanish_Andalucia
0.01790920 Portuguese
0.01817493 Spanish_Galicia
0.01865689 Spanish_Murcia
0.01929948 Spanish_Cantabria
0.01939998 Spanish_Extremadura
0.01940017 Spanish_Valencia
0.01943729 Spanish_Alacant
0.01957887 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.01967661 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.01996360 Spanish_Aragon
0.02110085 Spanish_Cataluna
0.02271800 Spanish_Pirineu
0.02300525 Spanish_Eivissa
0.02362746 Spanish_Castello
0.02371670 Spanish_La_Rioja
0.02472787 Spanish_Navarra
0.02487453 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.02501877 Spanish_Baleares
0.02508181 Spanish_Menorca
0.02509542 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.02623736 Spanish_Mallorca
0.02629121 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.02654748 Spanish_Lleida
0.02666369 Spanish_Barcelones

Distance to: Defcon2_K15
0.01656676 Spanish_Andalucia
0.01702815 Portuguese
0.01782313 Spanish_Galicia
0.01877776 Spanish_Extremadura
0.01922112 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.02103485 Spanish_Alacant
0.02124310 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.02147433 Spanish_Cantabria
0.02199022 Spanish_Murcia
0.02227086 Spanish_Aragon
0.02232916 Spanish_Valencia
0.02391216 Spanish_Cataluna
0.02509893 Spanish_Eivissa
0.02558878 Spanish_Pirineu
0.02566532 Spanish_Navarra
0.02618703 Spanish_La_Rioja
0.02672417 Spanish_Castello
0.02699668 Spanish_Baleares
0.02707103 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.02759460 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.02767162 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.02809616 Spanish_Menorca
0.02869992 Spanish_Girona
0.02874676 Spanish_Lleida
0.02882849 Spanish_Mallorca

Distance to: Defcon2_K36
0.02425524 Spanish_Andalucia
0.02569265 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.02598840 Portuguese
0.02604315 Spanish_Cantabria
0.02642722 Spanish_Aragon
0.02679567 Spanish_Extremadura
0.02696571 Spanish_Galicia
0.02712189 Spanish_La_Rioja
0.02719879 Spanish_Alacant
0.02732842 Spanish_Murcia
0.02778054 Spanish_Valencia
0.02828539 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.02832505 Spanish_Pirineu
0.02992777 Spanish_Castello
0.03025174 Spanish_Cataluna
0.03038169 Spanish_Navarra
0.03040653 Spanish_Menorca
0.03058851 Spanish_Eivissa
0.03083713 Spanish_Baleares
0.03095674 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.03233282 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.03240760 Spanish_Burgos
0.03328990 Spanish_Lleida
0.03380831 Spanish_Girona
0.03393750 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona

Distance to: Defcon2_scaled
0.02910482 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.03060709 Spanish_Andalucia
0.03207127 Spanish_Murcia
0.03254575 Portuguese
0.03321373 Spanish_Extremadura
0.03357220 Spanish_Galicia
0.03396093 Spanish_Asturias
0.03519859 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.03564592 Spanish_Valencia
0.03572437 Spanish_Aragon
0.03575522 Spanish_Alacant
0.03579735 Spanish_Menorca
0.03637562 Spanish_Cantabria
0.03689185 Spanish_Eivissa
0.03726846 Spanish_Baleares
0.03763305 Spanish_Cataluna
0.03918692 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.03940781 Spanish_Pirineu
0.04021333 Spanish_Barcelones
0.04023845 Spanish_Mallorca
0.04029475 Spanish_Canarias
0.04040939 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.04043416 Spanish_Lleida
0.04043550 Spanish_Navarra
0.04049903 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona

[Marena]

I created simulated coordinates, what do you think? There is quite a difference, but they also have similarities.

It looks like in your case K36 is less accurate, defying the general trend.

For the cleanest experiment you need to put real coordinates in "TARGET", put all simulations in "SOURCE" and then simply run "DISTANCE".

[celticdragongod]

Distance to: CDG
4.12811095 New_Hampshire_White(n=14)
4.27693816 Oregon_White(n=18)
5.15911814 Alabama_White(n=73)
5.30883226 Utah_White_with_CEU_1KGP(n=90)
5.32390834 North_Carolina_White(n=102)
5.32787012 Kansas_White(n=20)
5.49937269 Idaho_White(n=12)
5.52865264 Mississippi_White(n=54)
5.64098396 Georgia_White(n=96)
5.65653604 Indiana_White(n=57)
5.79798241 Virginia_White(n=87)
5.80597106 Texas_White(n=97)
5.83108052 South_Carolina_White(n=52)
5.83234087 Tennessee_White(n=95)
5.84011130 Iowa_White(n=34)
5.84516039 Utah_White(n=29)
6.11210275 Missouri_White(n=59)
6.14290648 Kentucky_White(n=130)
6.26037539 Arkansas_White(n=40)
6.26842085 West_Virginia_White(n=43)
6.28088370 Oklahoma_White(n=27)
6.28571396 Maine_White(n=30)
6.33817797 South_Dakota_White(n=6)
6.41802929 Ohio_White(n=100)
6.45420793 Nebraska_White(n=24)

Target: CDG
Distance: 335.5781% / 3.35578144
64.0 Utah_White_with_CEU_1KGP(n=90)
20.4 North_Dakota_White(n=10)
15.6 New_Hampshire_White(n=14)

[Defcon2]

It looks like in your case K36 is less accurate, defying the general trend.

For the cleanest experiment you need to put real coordinates in "TARGET", put all simulations in "SOURCE" and then simply run "DISTANCE".

Distance to: Defcon2_scaled
0.02712876 Defcon2_K15
0.02756935 Defcon2_K13
0.03218141 Defcon2_K36

[Fistora]

I noticed in several cases that the simulated k13 and k15 samples from Slavic-origin countries are northwest drifted compared to their g25. However, for people from Western Europe, this is not clear-cut - often k13 or k15 match well with G25.

[gixajo]

I created simulated coordinates, what do you think? There is quite a difference, but they also have similarities.


[/spoiler]

Take the average of all of them, except for the actual coordinates of G25, and that's it. They all have the same value in reality.

[gixajo]

It looks like in your case K36 is less accurate, defying the general trend.

For the cleanest experiment you need to put real coordinates in "TARGET", put all simulations in "SOURCE" and then simply run "DISTANCE".

We'd also need to see how they plot on a PCA, and the distance list for each one.

That is, if we consider accuracy as "more similar to G25 official coordinates" and not as better representing our reality, although that's another debate.

[rothaer]

Distance to: rothaer
6.34376071 North_Dakota_White(n=10)
8.24706008 Wisconsin_White(n=65)
8.99057840 Michigan_White(n=72)
9.97088261 Minnesota_White(n=27)
11.19770066 Illinois_White(n=107)
12.57333687 Maryland_White(n=37)
12.85830471 Connecticut_White(n=29)
13.38817762 Pennsylvania_White(n=179)
14.06932834 South_Dakota_White(n=6)
14.69721402 Nebraska_White(n=24)
14.83357678 Ohio_White(n=100)
15.25494018 Massachusetts_White(n=82)
15.29827441 New_Hampshire_White(n=14)
15.34464728 Idaho_White(n=12)
15.43820262 Washington_White(n=25)
15.56547140 New_Mexico_White(n=2)
15.73163691 Iowa_White(n=34)
15.74285235 Montana_White(n=5)
15.74392581 California_White(n=60)
15.79685095 Indiana_White(n=57)
15.90328582 Kansas_White(n=20)
15.91179751 Oregon_White(n=18)
16.02346717 New_York_White(n=175)
16.04506778 Florida_White(n=28)
16.40679128 Texas_White(n=97)
16.54101267 Colorado_White(n=5)
16.54215524 Missouri_White(n=59)
16.62416915 South_Carolina_White(n=52)
16.82739730 Tennessee_White(n=95)
16.87766572 New_Jersey_White(n=30)
16.88270713 West_Virginia_White(n=43)
16.88795429 Oklahoma_White(n=27)
16.89659433 Virginia_White(n=87)
16.91953309 Alabama_White(n=73)
16.98880808 Arkansas_White(n=40)
17.14558544 Maine_White(n=30)
17.17490902 Rhode_Island_White(n=14)
17.25072462 Vermont_White(n=5)
17.28406781 Kentucky_White(n=130)
17.30595851 Georgia_White(n=96)
17.42123130 Mississippi_White(n=54)
17.45326044 North_Carolina_White(n=102)
17.50407952 Utah_White(n=29)
18.10617022 Wyoming_White(n=5)
18.19513122 Louisiana_White(n=97)
18.20031044 Delaware_White(n=9)
18.45014092 Arizona_White(n=5)
18.86448515 Utah_White_with_CEU_1KGP(n=90)