Are French people Celtic, Germanic or Latin in DNA?

[Pigling]

Latin more dominant in Southern parts of France, while Central and Northern parts are mixture of Latin, Celtic and Germanic elements.

[codex]

This concerns French people of European ancestry. Please add your knowledge. Thank you. In my opinion, French are equally all those roots.

They are Latin+Celtic but with Germanic and Slavic minorities. They get Slavics from the French Foreign Legions.

[Zarabelle]

I haven't taken DNA test yet, but from what I have seen from results online and some studies, it seems mostly Celtic, with some regional variation. The border has usually been around the Loire River. When it comes to ancestral proportions, some studies have identified few regional clusters, but the exact number can vary depending on the method used.

[celticdragongod]

An interesting topic, so I created a model generally based on the 400–200 BC period, with the exception of Eastern European ones. I skipped the English sample because I’m not sure how to assign it.







It may be interpreted differently depending on the distance.

Distance to: CDG_scaled
0.02801249 Denmark_PreRoman_IA:
0.02965168 France_Oise_IA
0.03054121 Netherlands_MIA_LIA.AG
0.03492328 France_HautsDeFrance_IA
0.03685277 France_GrandEst_IA2
0.04486993 France_Aube_IA
0.05069311 France_Bourgogne-Franche-Comté_Vix_LaTene_IA
0.05172048 France_Aisne_IA
0.05840649 France_Occitanie_IA2
0.06409513 Poland_Maslomecz_Wielbark_IA.SG(Slavic)CA0103.SG__AD_194__Cov_74.66%
0.06464407 France_SouthEast_IA2
0.06690445 France_Aude_IA
0.07144860 France_HautRhin_IA
0.07410427 Italy_Verona_LIA
0.07487411 France_BasRhin_IA.SG:ERS83-2.SG__BC_250__Cov_20.23%
0.07588987 Italy_IA_Republic.SG:R435.SG__BC_400__Cov_70.82%
0.09125223 Spain_IA
0.12017677 Lithuania_North_Šiauliai_Barrows_IA:CGG017688__AD_ 77__Cov_29.03%
0.14944702 Tunisia_Carthage_Punic

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 2.1211% / 0.02121105
63.0 Denmark_PreRoman_IA:
10.6 France_GrandEst_IA2
9.0 Italy_IA_Republic.SG:R435.SG__BC_400__Cov_70.82%
7.2 France_HautsDeFrance_IA
6.6 Netherlands_MIA_LIA.AG
3.6 France_Oise_IA

[celticdragongod]

I think no one has addressed this before, but France's Iron Age appears to be more Northern shifted than Southern Germany's Iron Age.

The main takeaway from this is the the (relative) Northern shift of the Northern French and the Walloons doesn't require any additional Germanic ancestry. Their own population from the Iron Age has enough "Northerness" to make up for it.

Germany_West-Hallstattkreis_EIA(n=22),0.125723,0.143744,0.051803,0.018396,0.046078,0.003499,0.000299,0.003671,0.014809,0.023881,-0.002768,0.007705,-0.016387,-0.008833,0.003671,0.003646,0.000604,0.001491,0.004257,-0.000682,0.002376,0.003839,0.000482,-0.001117,-0.000354
France_GrandEst_IA1.SG,0.1233842,0.14583,0.0551352,0.0204782,0.0408074,-0.0001672,-0.0033372,0.0064614,0.0155028,0.0165472,-0.0018512,0.0083028,-0.0170664,-0.0113952,0.0121332,0.0041368,-0.0007042,-0.0004816,0.0024134,0.0048274,0.0010484,-0.0005194,-0.009564,-0.0019522,-0.0021074
France_GrandEst_IA2,0.1277096,0.1367916,0.057624,0.0362406,0.0469625,0.0108209,0.005499,0.0028846,0.0085288,0.0121734,-0.0034263,0.0071935,-0.0125322,-0.008794,0.0130562,-0.0031025,-0.0104828,0.0017104,0.0024637,-0.0009129,0.0050038,0.0049585,-0.0013803,-0.0012772,-0.0015806
France_GrandEst_IA2.SG,0.1270264,0.1470486,0.050308,0.0319124,0.0350218,0.0097054,-0.001504,0.0066458,0.006504,0.014287,-0.0005196,-0.0015286,-0.0125768,-0.0069636,0.0104232,0.000451,-0.0093616,-0.0007856,0.0045002,-0.0015758,-0.0027702,0.0054902,0.002046,-0.0082902,0.0022512
France_HautsDeFrance_IA2.SG,0.1160995,0.141666,0.0482715,0.038114,0.0460085,0.0161755,-0.0057575,0.004846,0.0114535,0.018406,-0.0021925,0.006594,-0.021184,-0.0124545,0.0109255,0.002917,-0.002021,0.009755,0.007856,-0.003189,0.0010605,0.006121,0.010106,-0.002169,0.0032335
French_Alsace,0.127311,0.140372,0.050317,0.022432,0.038423,0.008911,0.00292,0.004875,0.006852,0.010679,-0.003134,0.004578,-0.009444,-0.00417,0.008561,0.003066,-0.004893,0.002439,0.003243,-0.000716,0.002764,0.001156,-0.001322,0.007137,-0.000314
French_Auvergne,0.125416,0.144656,0.04742,0.012992,0.043472,0.003997,-0.000339,0.002513,0.015407,0.022172,-0.002466,0.007355,-0.013969,-0.009669,0.008299,0.001483,-0.000787,0.001497,0.003073,-0.000213,0.001858,0.003737,-0.002282,0.001816,-8.9e-05
French_Bearn,0.126799,0.144814,0.053589,0.006008,0.053949,0.002175,-0.001692,-0.002054,0.024461,0.039891,-0.008866,0.010236,-0.018999,-0.014327,0.014169,0.001578,-0.005724,-0.000899,-0.001735,-0.003302,0.005465,0.003141,-0.006643,-0.00817,0.000683
French_Bigorre,0.128051,0.147353,0.052269,0.00533,0.052225,-0.000837,-0.001669,0.000162,0.024809,0.03827,-0.003085,0.007883,-0.021481,-0.014148,0.00874,0.000186,-0.003559,0.002369,-0.000892,-0.002914,0.002508,-0.00089,-0.003291,-0.005904,0.00103
French_Chalosse,0.128734,0.14776,0.051892,0.011176,0.051333,0.002761,0.00047,0.001777,0.025259,0.039655,-0.002696,0.008947,-0.020337,-0.015083,0.011088,0.002824,-0.005424,0.001672,-0.000779,-0.002239,0.008273,0.002844,-0.007691,-0.007664,-0.002096
French_Nord,0.128275,0.140543,0.051357,0.025605,0.038273,0.008891,0.001097,0.00442,0.008373,0.012016,-0.003484,0.004033,-0.010861,-0.008182,0.011199,0.002543,-0.004607,0.002227,0.004095,0.001031,0.002133,0.001525,-0.001572,0.007471,1.4e-05
French_Occitanie,0.127039,0.144883,0.048879,0.017908,0.043376,0.003416,0.000522,0.003891,0.014856,0.023589,-0.003288,0.006582,-0.015044,-0.009458,0.010737,0.002567,-0.003709,0.002484,0.001425,4.5e-05,0.003671,0.002446,-0.00255,0.001767,0.000422
French_Paris,0.127171,0.141436,0.050431,0.02399,0.040903,0.009305,0.002799,0.005454,0.011602,0.018174,-0.007706,0.006812,-0.012906,-0.010384,0.01377,0.006063,-0.001825,0.004664,0.002708,-0.000978,0.002201,0.003575,-0.001232,0.011141,-0.001905
French_Pas-de-Calais,0.127861,0.140481,0.054305,0.026809,0.042162,0.012736,0.004152,0.001308,0.008522,0.012453,-0.008011,0.002198,-0.01001,-0.012019,0.013663,0.008132,-0.000478,0.001816,-0.003645,0.004252,0.009982,0.001443,-0.002547,0.005904,-0.001437
French_Provence,0.121925,0.143847,0.036891,0.005358,0.036858,0.00233,0.002267,0.003638,0.010058,0.020453,-0.003869,0.007211,-0.012138,-0.010961,0.005956,0.003174,0.001097,0.002809,0.001775,-0.001515,0.001541,0.002735,0.000355,0.005444,3.5e-05
French_Seine-Maritime,0.136019,0.137096,0.045254,0.029555,0.039084,0.016733,0.00423,-0.000692,0.003988,0.006014,-0.003735,0.007493,-0.007582,-0.001651,0.014251,0.003514,-0.007953,-0.002344,0.000943,-0.005002,0.003931,0.005503,0.000863,0.004278,-0.004491
French_South,0.126181,0.144785,0.049618,0.00886,0.050691,0.002669,0.000269,0.002275,0.02764,0.03866,-0.006774,0.007365,-0.021853,-0.013566,0.010373,0.002765,-0.005104,0.001792,0.000215,0.001912,0.004991,-0.00083,-0.005264,-0.007557,-0.00142
BelgianC,0.126875,0.142987,0.053249,0.023149,0.040582,0.009501,0.00141,0.004738,0.010826,0.014397,-0.003161,0.006314,-0.012269,-0.009303,0.012034,0.001715,-0.004955,0.001098,0.001592,0.000367,0.002729,0.002844,-0.001142,0.009335,-0.001932

Distance to: CDG_scaled
0.03474729 France_GrandEst_IA2
0.03819926 French_Nord
0.03871869 French_Seine-Maritime
0.04003493 BelgianC
0.04162020 French_Alsace
0.04182546 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.04258054 French_Paris
0.04416610 France_GrandEst_IA2.SG
0.04630696 France_HautsDeFrance_IA2.SG
0.05349043 France_GrandEst_IA1.SG
0.05363339 French_Occitanie
0.05605514 Germany_West-Hallstattkreis_EIA(n=22)
0.05752259 French_Auvergne
0.06554737 French_Provence
0.07364192 French_Chalosse
0.07383730 French_South
0.07616375 French_Bigorre
0.07676522 French_Bearn

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 3.4027% / 0.03402722
69.6 France_GrandEst_IA2
24.6 French_Seine-Maritime
5.8 French_Nord

[gixajo]

An interesting topic, so I created a model generally based on the 400–200 BC period, with the exception of Eastern European ones. I skipped the English sample because I’m not sure how to assign it.

It may be interpreted differently depending on the distance.

French Alsace 11-18% Tunisian Carthage Punic?

[gixajo]

Germany_West-Hallstattkreis_EIA(n=22),0.125723,0.143744,0.051803,0.018396,0.046078,0.003499,0.000299,0.003671,0.014809,0.023881,-0.002768,0.007705,-0.016387,-0.008833,0.003671,0.003646,0.000604,0.001491,0.004257,-0.000682,0.002376,0.003839,0.000482,-0.001117,-0.000354
France_GrandEst_IA1.SG,0.1233842,0.14583,0.0551352,0.0204782,0.0408074,-0.0001672,-0.0033372,0.0064614,0.0155028,0.0165472,-0.0018512,0.0083028,-0.0170664,-0.0113952,0.0121332,0.0041368,-0.0007042,-0.0004816,0.0024134,0.0048274,0.0010484,-0.0005194,-0.009564,-0.0019522,-0.0021074
France_GrandEst_IA2,0.1277096,0.1367916,0.057624,0.0362406,0.0469625,0.0108209,0.005499,0.0028846,0.0085288,0.0121734,-0.0034263,0.0071935,-0.0125322,-0.008794,0.0130562,-0.0031025,-0.0104828,0.0017104,0.0024637,-0.0009129,0.0050038,0.0049585,-0.0013803,-0.0012772,-0.0015806
France_GrandEst_IA2.SG,0.1270264,0.1470486,0.050308,0.0319124,0.0350218,0.0097054,-0.001504,0.0066458,0.006504,0.014287,-0.0005196,-0.0015286,-0.0125768,-0.0069636,0.0104232,0.000451,-0.0093616,-0.0007856,0.0045002,-0.0015758,-0.0027702,0.0054902,0.002046,-0.0082902,0.0022512
France_HautsDeFrance_IA2.SG,0.1160995,0.141666,0.0482715,0.038114,0.0460085,0.0161755,-0.0057575,0.004846,0.0114535,0.018406,-0.0021925,0.006594,-0.021184,-0.0124545,0.0109255,0.002917,-0.002021,0.009755,0.007856,-0.003189,0.0010605,0.006121,0.010106,-0.002169,0.0032335
French_Alsace,0.127311,0.140372,0.050317,0.022432,0.038423,0.008911,0.00292,0.004875,0.006852,0.010679,-0.003134,0.004578,-0.009444,-0.00417,0.008561,0.003066,-0.004893,0.002439,0.003243,-0.000716,0.002764,0.001156,-0.001322,0.007137,-0.000314
French_Auvergne,0.125416,0.144656,0.04742,0.012992,0.043472,0.003997,-0.000339,0.002513,0.015407,0.022172,-0.002466,0.007355,-0.013969,-0.009669,0.008299,0.001483,-0.000787,0.001497,0.003073,-0.000213,0.001858,0.003737,-0.002282,0.001816,-8.9e-05
French_Bearn,0.126799,0.144814,0.053589,0.006008,0.053949,0.002175,-0.001692,-0.002054,0.024461,0.039891,-0.008866,0.010236,-0.018999,-0.014327,0.014169,0.001578,-0.005724,-0.000899,-0.001735,-0.003302,0.005465,0.003141,-0.006643,-0.00817,0.000683
French_Bigorre,0.128051,0.147353,0.052269,0.00533,0.052225,-0.000837,-0.001669,0.000162,0.024809,0.03827,-0.003085,0.007883,-0.021481,-0.014148,0.00874,0.000186,-0.003559,0.002369,-0.000892,-0.002914,0.002508,-0.00089,-0.003291,-0.005904,0.00103
French_Chalosse,0.128734,0.14776,0.051892,0.011176,0.051333,0.002761,0.00047,0.001777,0.025259,0.039655,-0.002696,0.008947,-0.020337,-0.015083,0.011088,0.002824,-0.005424,0.001672,-0.000779,-0.002239,0.008273,0.002844,-0.007691,-0.007664,-0.002096
French_Nord,0.128275,0.140543,0.051357,0.025605,0.038273,0.008891,0.001097,0.00442,0.008373,0.012016,-0.003484,0.004033,-0.010861,-0.008182,0.011199,0.002543,-0.004607,0.002227,0.004095,0.001031,0.002133,0.001525,-0.001572,0.007471,1.4e-05
French_Occitanie,0.127039,0.144883,0.048879,0.017908,0.043376,0.003416,0.000522,0.003891,0.014856,0.023589,-0.003288,0.006582,-0.015044,-0.009458,0.010737,0.002567,-0.003709,0.002484,0.001425,4.5e-05,0.003671,0.002446,-0.00255,0.001767,0.000422
French_Paris,0.127171,0.141436,0.050431,0.02399,0.040903,0.009305,0.002799,0.005454,0.011602,0.018174,-0.007706,0.006812,-0.012906,-0.010384,0.01377,0.006063,-0.001825,0.004664,0.002708,-0.000978,0.002201,0.003575,-0.001232,0.011141,-0.001905
French_Pas-de-Calais,0.127861,0.140481,0.054305,0.026809,0.042162,0.012736,0.004152,0.001308,0.008522,0.012453,-0.008011,0.002198,-0.01001,-0.012019,0.013663,0.008132,-0.000478,0.001816,-0.003645,0.004252,0.009982,0.001443,-0.002547,0.005904,-0.001437
French_Provence,0.121925,0.143847,0.036891,0.005358,0.036858,0.00233,0.002267,0.003638,0.010058,0.020453,-0.003869,0.007211,-0.012138,-0.010961,0.005956,0.003174,0.001097,0.002809,0.001775,-0.001515,0.001541,0.002735,0.000355,0.005444,3.5e-05
French_Seine-Maritime,0.136019,0.137096,0.045254,0.029555,0.039084,0.016733,0.00423,-0.000692,0.003988,0.006014,-0.003735,0.007493,-0.007582,-0.001651,0.014251,0.003514,-0.007953,-0.002344,0.000943,-0.005002,0.003931,0.005503,0.000863,0.004278,-0.004491
French_South,0.126181,0.144785,0.049618,0.00886,0.050691,0.002669,0.000269,0.002275,0.02764,0.03866,-0.006774,0.007365,-0.021853,-0.013566,0.010373,0.002765,-0.005104,0.001792,0.000215,0.001912,0.004991,-0.00083,-0.005264,-0.007557,-0.00142
BelgianC,0.126875,0.142987,0.053249,0.023149,0.040582,0.009501,0.00141,0.004738,0.010826,0.014397,-0.003161,0.006314,-0.012269,-0.009303,0.012034,0.001715,-0.004955,0.001098,0.001592,0.000367,0.002729,0.002844,-0.001142,0.009335,-0.001932

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There are a few French references missing there?



Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.9097% / 0.01909670
43.2 French_South
30.8 French_Provence
26.0 French_Bearn

[Minotaur]

The Celts have the upper hand. Next come the descendants of the Romans. The Germans are in last place. Plus, there should be some remaining influence from more ancient local peoples.

[Tooting Carmen]

A mix of all three?

[gixajo]

A mix of all three?

That seems to be the case. Depending on the area, one or the other has more influence. What I don't understand is why it's being asked again; it's been clear for a long time.

In any case, if we have to look for someone present-day who is more similar to the continental Celts, we should look in France.