Are you happy with your haplogroups?

[J. Ketch]

My favorite male haplogroups are R!b-L21 and I1.


Here is what Google AI overview says about them:

Haplogroups R1b-L21 and I1 are two of the most significant paternal lineages in European genetic history, representing distinct migration waves and cultural associations.



R1b-L21: The "Atlantic Celtic" Lineage

R1b-L21 is the dominant paternal lineage in the British Isles and northwestern France, often referred to as the "Insular Celtic" or "Atlantic Celtic" marker.

Origin & Age: It likely formed around 2650–2700 BCE in the coastal lowlands of the North Sea or Lower Rhine region.

Migration: It arrived in Britain and Ireland around 2400 BCE with the Bell Beaker migration. This movement was so substantial that it replaced nearly 90% of the Neolithic male population in Britain within a few centuries.

Geography: It reaches its highest frequencies in Ireland (50-90%), the Scottish Highlands, Wales, and Brittany.

Cultural Links: It is strongly associated with Gaelic, Brythonic, and Pictish tribes. Notable historical dynasties linked to this lineage include the O'Neills and O'Briens of Ireland, and Scottish clans like the MacDonalds and Campbells.

[celticdragongod]

G2a/J2 civillization builders
R1a/R1b civillization stealers/occupyers

Yes but G2a and J2 were farmers who stole the land from the hunter-gatherers. R1a and R1b were descendants of the hunter-gatherers who took the land back.

[Isinimo]

Yes but G2a and J2 were farmers who stole the land from the hunter-gatherers. R1a and R1b were descendants of the hunter-gatherers who took the land back.

Conquered not stolen, we were all hunter-gatherers at one point.

[Opie]

Yes but G2a and J2 were farmers who stole the land from the hunter-gatherers. R1a and R1b were descendants of the hunter-gatherers who took the land back.

Is R1 ANE or WHG?

WHG is more like I and C. I assume it’s ANE.

[celticdragongod]

Conquered not stolen, we were all hunter-gatherers at one point.

But the farmers were from Anatolia, not Europe. The farmers were invaders who stole the land from European hunter-gatherers.

[celticdragongod]

Is R1 ANE or WHG?

WHG is more like I and C. I assume it’s ANE.

From what I understand, R!b remains were found in Italy that date back over 10,000 years.

[Isinimo]

From what I understand, R!b remains were found in Italy that date back over 10,000 years.

Villabruna1 had significant amount of ANE blood, no way is R1b indigenous to WHG. Malta Boy is a representative for ANE and he is Basal R-M207 (R*).

[Isinimo]

Is R1 ANE or WHG?

WHG is more like I and C. I assume it’s ANE.

It’s pinnacle ANE alongside Q and even some P-P226 * found today.

[celticdragongod]

Villabruna1 had significant amount of ANE blood, no way is R1b indigenous to WHG. Malta Boy is a representative for ANE and he is Basal R-M207 (R*).

But R1b has been in Europe longer than G2a and J2.

[Isinimo]

Yesterday I had the regret of finding out my "friend" was in fact R1a, so I had put my hand on his shoulder and told him I can't be friends with him anymore based on this discovery. No R1a can be a friend of mine, it's a cruel universal world struggle of paternal lines. No I'm not proud of his haplogroup.