Are you happy with your haplogroups?

**Isinimo** · 05-28-2026, 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by celticdragongod

But R1b has been in Europe longer than G2a and J2.

G2a and J2 are West Eurasian, R1b can head back to Cambodia. The origin of J2 was in Europe.

**Opie** · 05-28-2026, 02:40 PM

Originally Posted by celticdragongod

But R1b has been in Europe longer than G2a and J2.

No, Yamnaya arrived later than ANF.

**Isinimo** · 05-28-2026, 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by Opie

No, Yamnaya arrived later than ANF.

There is a Mesolithic sample in Italy with R1b (with a degree of ANE). Even then there are hints that Pre-LGM Balkan / Eastern Epigravettian Hunter-Gatherers harbored some J and likely some J2 alongside I-M170 and their respective subclades long before that lone R1b, it's pretty much a dead end sample.