Is Paganism our only hope against Islam?

[Osweo]

people clicking on this forum expect to see a good representation of ethnic-Europeans - fit physically and mentally and moral.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=40542

[Kernunnos]

Paganism was not destroyed in Europe, for the simple reason that Paganism is the natural religious state of mankind, before the dogmatists come along.

Freemasonry certainly isn't Gnostic, and nor is it Pagan. To be a Freemason, one has to be a monotheist. Furthermore, Gnosticism and Paganism have almost nothing in common; Gnosticism is life-denying, whereas Paganism is life-affirming. Gnosticism grew out of Zoroastrian dualism, and it would be difficult to think of anything more alien to Northern European Paganism.

It's true that magical orders such as the Golden Dawn, and, eventually, Wicca, relied very heavily on Masonic ritual forms. But again, these have little or nothing to do with Northern Paganism.

So where are the books that preserve the old religions? You evade my question presenting paganism as a continuum since antiquity. Now, who preserved all this heritage? Who has it? Where is it? Can you present original writings that are not second hand, skeleton like tales of what was a robust tradition?

[Wulfhere]

So where are the books that preserve the old religions? You evade my question presenting paganism as a continuum since antiquity. Now, who preserved all this heritage? Who has it? Where is it? Can you present original writings that are not second hand, skeleton like tales of what was a robust tradition?

Why are you thinking in terms of books? Pagan lore and rituals have survived in families.

[Pyramidologist]

Like a Pict? A member of nation that has been extinct for a 1000 years? There are many forms of dress-up and role-play, not just one.

The majority of modern ethnic-British descend from the Picts. I use the term to reflect the aboriginal very short-statured Iberian phenotype, which was widespread over the entire British Isles.

[Aemma]

I find it interesting that your username is Kernunnos, yet you are not pagan. It must be a World of Warcraft thing; it's still a tad misleading however. At any rate, I enjoyed reading your post even if I am one of these pagans. A few notes however:

Do you really think that a political will could establish a religion? To establish a new religion takes at least two important things, an epic and philosophy. Nothing that could be improvised or even carefully be built in the most sophisticated political lab.

Political will, an epic, a philosophy? Trust me this is in the works in some circles. It isn't something that I can truly support, this tendency in some circles to want to institutionalise a newly-developing spirituality, but alas it has become the realm of young men intent on building a Religion and foresaking a Spirituality.

Also, paganism was destroyed forever in Europe, modern paganism is just a vague reference to a totally lost set of idea and rituals that are impossible to reconstruct and reapply, as they were orally transmitted and went lost forever with christianization.

Destroyed? No not wholly. There are vestiges of material culture in the form of lore/mythology, religious art, artifacts and so forth that render it *not* lost to us as a matter of fact.

last but not least paganism is most often a by product of freemasonic drifts and currents, so it serves just anti-christian purposes and gnostic tenets.

In the end, as freemasonry is the most strong force behind multiracialism and alien invasion, becoming pagans would serve only anti-european purposes.

You apparently know very little about the movement of pagan revivalism, especially those of the ethno-cultural or folk spiritualities. You should perhaps inform yourself a bit more on these and their various manifestations before you start lumping us as freemasons. We're entirely different animals.

There is instead a good alternative to modern Christianity, it is called catholic traditionalism. For a traditional, pre Vatican II faithful, the principle of nation is a sacred one: a christian has a duty to serve firstly the interests of his family, then of its nations and only lastly, if he can, the interests of other races and nations.

Traditional catholics are growing slowly, even if their major drawback, a series of archaic prohibitions regarding even normal, heterosexual sexuality are keeping many christians from joining them.

Catholicism is Catholicism is Catholicism. A few modern-day tweaks here or there do not a new religion make.

Possibly the creation of orthodox national churches in western nations could be another solutions. Orthodox are less rigid in terms of sexuality, for example a single divorce is admitted under orthodoxy and priests can marry, a rule that existed until the eleven century under the catholic church.

As for myself I see no contradictions in being christian and a nationalist.I do not forget priests blessing the armies of Mussolini, franco, Salazar: I just refrain from adopting the marxist interpretation of the Gospel that is used by the majority of modern catholics.

Pray, tell me, what is this marxist interpretation of which you speak? Liberation Theology by any chance? Or are you referring to something else which the majority of modern Catholics seem to be espousing according to you?

[Albion]

Well you wouldn't would you? You've posted what you look like, in your spare time you dress up in batman or goth capes, corpse paint etc. You aren't normal... people clicking on this forum expect to see a good representation of ethnic-Europeans - fit physically and mentally and moral. Instead they end up seeing immoral BDSMer's and goth/''witch'' type wierdo's.

Yeah, I agree...

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=40542

[Pallantides]

Well you wouldn't would you? You've posted what you look like, in your spare time you dress up in batman or goth capes, corpse paint etc. You aren't normal... people clicking on this forum expect to see a good representation of ethnic-Europeans - fit physically and mentally and moral. Instead they end up seeing immoral BDSMer's and goth/''witch'' type wierdo's.

Lol, how did I miss this post

[Teyrn]

Lol, how did I miss this post

Probably because Pyramidologist made many, many other funny comments.

[Onur]

This subject could only be an issue in a predominantly muslim country like Turkey.

Only 3-5% of whole Europe are muslims and probably only 1% are local people but the rest are immigrants. So you better discuss if paganism is your only hope against christianity because it`s the christians who eradicated paganism from Europe and 90% of Europe are christians.

This is as absurd as me creating a discussion like "Is shamanism is our only hope against christianity in Turkey" in a Turkish forum.

[Lumi]

Islam threatens all of us, though. There's a big chance that it'll find it's way into our country, and our only hope is to adopt a religion that won't stand for it.