Is Paganism our only hope against Islam?

[Odoacer]

However, the simple mechanics of the syntax and morphology WILL have some impact on the way of thinking of the speakers. This is far from my own little idea, and is widely acknowledged. I just forget the official academic terms for it. I bet there's a big fat Wiki page on it, though!

Are you thinking of Sapir-Whorf, i.e., linguistic relativity?

[Lumi]

It just makes them bruised but happy humans.

One key difference between Pagans and Christians on this matter is that Christians put SM porn in their religious artwork. I can't think of any examples of Pagans or Heathens doing the same. It is not just the ubiquitous image of an almost-naked male strapped to a cross and bleeding, but a lot of medieval paintings of martyrdoms could really get a practicing sadomasochist drooling and leaking. Many feature more whippings than a Berlin dungeon. How many bisexual goth-chicks have moistened their panties over St. Catherine strapped to her wheel?

And don't forget St Sebastian:

I didn't find that particularly erotic
Maybe I'm looking in the wrong places

[The Ripper]

It just makes them bruised but happy humans.

One key difference between Pagans and Christians on this matter is that Christians put SM porn in their religious artwork. I can't think of any examples of Pagans or Heathens doing the same. It is not just the ubiquitous image of an almost-naked male strapped to a cross and bleeding, but a lot of medieval paintings of martyrdoms could really get a practicing sadomasochist drooling and leaking. Many feature more whippings than a Berlin dungeon. How many bisexual goth-chicks have moistened their panties over St. Catherine strapped to her wheel?

And don't forget St Sebastian:

Christianity has a tradition of suffering as sacrifice, of abstinence, of chastity, etc. Very much of "denying the flesh".

[Pyramidologist]

I see nothing wrong with this, a lot of people enjoy BDSM. It don't make them bad or filthy humans.

Well you wouldn't would you? You've posted what you look like, in your spare time you dress up in batman or goth capes, corpse paint etc. You aren't normal... people clicking on this forum expect to see a good representation of ethnic-Europeans - fit physically and mentally and moral. Instead they end up seeing immoral BDSMer's and goth/''witch'' type wierdo's.

[The Ripper]

people clicking on this forum expect to see a good representation of ethnic-Europeans...Instead they end up seeing... wierdo's.

Like a Pict? A member of nation that has been extinct for a 1000 years? There are many forms of dress-up and role-play, not just one.

[Loddfafner]

Christianity has a tradition of suffering as sacrifice, of abstinence, of chastity, etc. Very much of "denying the flesh".

Yes, definitely. In Thomas Mann's Magic Mountain, the Jesuit character Naphta argued that early Northern Renaissance sculpture was deliberately warped and unrealistic precisely to reflect a rejection of the flesh.

[Lumi]

The Picts wore body pain, dyed their hair lighter with lime water. That's where they got their name from. "Pict" means "Painted".
Fail, Pyro. Major fail.

[Teyrn]

That Christian zealots have to come out and fight for supremacy is a yet another confirmation they (and the spirit they represent) ARE spent.

Intimate and therefore true beliefs (that may or may not be linked to a group dogma) satisfy the embedded in our mind need for coherent metaphysics; these beliefs are more adaptable to empirical discovery than the dogma.

As an agnostic (or atheist; I really don’t think there is any key difference between the qualifiers) I suppose every reflective soul that is trying to comprehend his/her place in the universe is, to certain degree, a pagan.

But when “paganism” positions itself as an ideology, it indeed competes with the already spent Christianity and, therefore, dead on arrival.

Christian apologetics goes back to the earliest days of the religion, first against the critics among the Jews and later among the pagans and finally between the warring bands of Christians themselves (Arians vs. Catholics for example). I wouldn't really consider apologists among the Christians to be an indicator of the religion being dead per se, at least no more than pagan apologists coming out to defend their respective beliefs. Seeing Christian apologists at work makes me thing that, at least, they feel a bit nervous- probably fearful of the devil's works in those dastardly beliefs of the materialistics and pagans.

[Kernunnos]

Christians might have done different things in the past. It's how they act now that's important.

Do you really think that a political will could establish a religion? To establish a new religion takes at least two important things, an epic and philosophy. Nothing that could be improvised or even carefully be built in the most sophisticated political lab.

Also, paganism was destroyed forever in Europe, modern paganism is just a vague reference to a totally lost set of idea and rituals that are impossible to reconstruct and reapply, as they were orally transmitted and went lost forever with christianization.

last but not least paganism is most often a by product of freemasonic drifts and currents, so it serves just anti-christian purposes and gnostic tenets.

In the end, as freemasonry is the most strong force behind multiracialism and alien invasion, becoming pagans would serve only anti-european purposes.

There is instead a good alternative to modern Christianity, it is called catholic traditionalism. For a traditional, pre Vatican II faithful, the principle of nation is a sacred one: a christian has a duty to serve firstly the interests of his family, then of its nations and only lastly, if he can, the interests of other races and nations.

Traditional catholics are growing slowly, even if their major drawback, a series of archaic prohibitions regarding even normal, heterosexual sexuality are keeping many christians from joining them.

Possibly the creation of orthodox national churches in western nations could be another solutions. Orthodox are less rigid in terms of sexuality, for example a single divorce is admitted under orthodoxy and priests can marry, a rule that existed until the eleven century under the catholic church.

As for myself I see no contradictions in being christian and a nationalist.I do not forget priests blessing the armies of Mussolini, franco, Salazar: I just refrain from adopting the marxist interpretation of the Gospel that is used by the majority of modern catholics.

[Wulfhere]

Do you really think that a political will could establish a religion? To establish a new religion takes at least two important things, an epic and philosophy. Nothing that could be improvised or even carefully be built in the most sophisticated political lab.

Also, paganism was destroyed forever in Europe, modern paganism is just a vague reference to a totally lost set of idea and rituals that are impossible to reconstruct and reapply, as they were orally transmitted and went lost forever with christianization.

last but not least paganism is most often a by product of freemasonic drifts and currents, so it serves just anti-christian purposes and gnostic tenets.

In the end, as freemasonry is the most strong force behind multiracialism and alien invasion, becoming pagans would serve only anti-european purposes.

There is instead a good alternative to modern Christianity, it is called catholic traditionalism. For a traditional, pre Vatican II faithful, the principle of nation is a sacred one: a christian has a duty to serve firstly the interests of his family, then of its nations and only lastly, if he can, the interests of other races and nations.

Traditional catholics are growing slowly, even if their major drawback, a series of archaic prohibitions regarding even normal, heterosexual sexuality are keeping many christians from joining them.

Possibly the creation of orthodox national churches in western nations could be another solutions. Orthodox are less rigid in terms of sexuality, for example a single divorce is admitted under orthodoxy and priests can marry, a rule that existed until the eleven century under the catholic church.

As for myself I see no contradictions in being christian and a nationalist.I do not forget priests blessing the armies of Mussolini, franco, Salazar: I just refrain from adopting the marxist interpretation of the Gospel that is used by the majority of modern catholics.

Paganism was not destroyed in Europe, for the simple reason that Paganism is the natural religious state of mankind, before the dogmatists come along.

Freemasonry certainly isn't Gnostic, and nor is it Pagan. To be a Freemason, one has to be a monotheist. Furthermore, Gnosticism and Paganism have almost nothing in common; Gnosticism is life-denying, whereas Paganism is life-affirming. Gnosticism grew out of Zoroastrian dualism, and it would be difficult to think of anything more alien to Northern European Paganism.

It's true that magical orders such as the Golden Dawn, and, eventually, Wicca, relied very heavily on Masonic ritual forms. But again, these have little or nothing to do with Northern Paganism.