Debate on Hungarian origins

[Proto-Shaman]

Ancient roots still survived in Cuman traditions in HUNgary as well!!




watch in full lenght... just amazing...

[Twistedmind]

Magyars have nothing to do with Slavs, Troll. Genetic evidence has linked early Magyars eastward to the Bashkirs as well to the Ujghurs, living in East-Eurasia around the town of Ürümqi

Who is arround Hungarians?
Czechs, Slovenians, Croats, Bosnaiks, Serbs. (Austrians and Romanians being pretty close as well)
What is common for that 5 people?
Ah wait they are all Slavs.

[Proto-Shaman]

Who is arround Hungarians?
Czechs, Slovenians, Croats, Bosnaiks, Serbs. (Austrians and Romanians being pretty close as well)
What is common for that 5 people?
Ah wait they are all Slavs.

Y-Chromosome Analysis of Ancient Hungarian and Two Modern Hungarian-Speaking Populations from the Carpathian Basin." Annals of Human Genetics 72:4 (July 2008): pages 519-534:
"The R1a1-M17 frequency in Hungarians (30%) and Szeklers (18.6%) is comparable to that in their neighbours (e.g. Czechs and Slovaks, mainland Croatians, Bosnians, Romanians, Serbians) and some other Uralic-speaking populations (e.g. Estonian, Komis, Mordvin)... Similar frequencies of R1b as in the Hungarian speakers are found in some Slavic populations (mainland Croatians, Slovenians, Poles, Bulgarians); and in some Uralic-speakers (Komis, Khanties, Mordvin) as well as in Romanian and Turkish populations... The presence of central-Asian haplogroup P*(xM173) in Szeklers is unusual for a European population, since it is almost absent in continental Europe... and presumably reflects some Asian contribution, before or after reaching Transylvania. Hg I-M170 is the only Y-chromosome haplogroup that is confined almost exclusively to the European continent... Haplogroup I was detected with almost equal frequency in the two modern populations: 24% in Hungarians and 21.7% in Szeklers. However, two of its major subclades- I1a-M253 and I1b*(xM26) - show an opposite occurrence in the two ethnic groups, 8% and 13%, respectively, in Hungarians, and 16.5% and 5.2% in Szeklers. These are within the range of normal central and eastern European values... The elevated frequency of Hg I1a together with higher frequency of R1b-M269 in Szekler population might be the consequence, at least in part, of the genetic impact of people of German origin, who settled in Transylvania from the 12th century onwards (Transylvanian Saxons)... In the present study haplogroup J was unexpectedly common in the Hungarian-speaking populations (Hungarians: 16%, Szeklers: 21.6%). Haplogroup J... is considered to have originated in the Middle East... The J1-M267 Y-chromosomal lineage is notably frequent in Szeklers (10.3%; a value far above the range for other central and eastern European populations..., while its frequency in Hungarians (3.0%) is unremarkable. ... Among these J2-M172 subclades, J2e1-M102 is more frequent in Szeklers (7.2%) than in Hungarians (4.0%), while the undifferentiated J2-M172* Y chromosomes are slightly more common in Hungarian population (8% vs. 3.1%). Both J2f*-M67 and J2f1-M92 lineages were detected in our study in one single individual, in each population. ... Haplogroup E3b-M35 occurs at 10% frequency in Hungarians and 9.2% in Szeklers with E3b1-M78 chromosomes accounting for almost all representatives (∼90%). Hg E is mainly African, but its clade E3b-M35 has also been observed in Europe... Both E3b-M35 and its derivative (E3b1-M78) probably originated in eastern Africa..."

What exactly you wanted to state? Then state it NOW please... I am tired... Odin would turn in his grave...



So stop with your Slavic NONSENSE fringe theory.

[Twistedmind]

Y-Chromosome Analysis of Ancient Hungarian and Two Modern Hungarian-Speaking Populations from the Carpathian Basin." Annals of Human Genetics 72:4 (July 2008): pages 519-534:
"The R1a1-M17 frequency in Hungarians (30%) and Szeklers (18.6%) is comparable to that in their neighbours (e.g. Czechs and Slovaks, mainland Croatians, Bosnians, Romanians, Serbians) and some other Uralic-speaking populations (e.g. Estonian, Komis, Mordvin)... Similar frequencies of R1b as in the Hungarian speakers are found in some Slavic populations (mainland Croatians, Slovenians, Poles, Bulgarians); and in some Uralic-speakers (Komis, Khanties, Mordvin) as well as in Romanian and Turkish populations... The presence of central-Asian haplogroup P*(xM173) in Szeklers is unusual for a European population, since it is almost absent in continental Europe... and presumably reflects some Asian contribution, before or after reaching Transylvania. Hg I-M170 is the only Y-chromosome haplogroup that is confined almost exclusively to the European continent... Haplogroup I was detected with almost equal frequency in the two modern populations: 24% in Hungarians and 21.7% in Szeklers. However, two of its major subclades- I1a-M253 and I1b*(xM26) - show an opposite occurrence in the two ethnic groups, 8% and 13%, respectively, in Hungarians, and 16.5% and 5.2% in Szeklers. These are within the range of normal central and eastern European values... The elevated frequency of Hg I1a together with higher frequency of R1b-M269 in Szekler population might be the consequence, at least in part, of the genetic impact of people of German origin, who settled in Transylvania from the 12th century onwards (Transylvanian Saxons)... In the present study haplogroup J was unexpectedly common in the Hungarian-speaking populations (Hungarians: 16%, Szeklers: 21.6%). Haplogroup J... is considered to have originated in the Middle East... The J1-M267 Y-chromosomal lineage is notably frequent in Szeklers (10.3%; a value far above the range for other central and eastern European populations..., while its frequency in Hungarians (3.0%) is unremarkable. ... Among these J2-M172 subclades, J2e1-M102 is more frequent in Szeklers (7.2%) than in Hungarians (4.0%), while the undifferentiated J2-M172* Y chromosomes are slightly more common in Hungarian population (8% vs. 3.1%). Both J2f*-M67 and J2f1-M92 lineages were detected in our study in one single individual, in each population. ... Haplogroup E3b-M35 occurs at 10% frequency in Hungarians and 9.2% in Szeklers with E3b1-M78 chromosomes accounting for almost all representatives (∼90%). Hg E is mainly African, but its clade E3b-M35 has also been observed in Europe... Both E3b-M35 and its derivative (E3b1-M78) probably originated in eastern Africa..."

What exactly you wanted to state?

That you dont know to read..

[Proto-Shaman]

That you dont know to read..

Sounds like a kind of historical revisionism of epic proportions.

Not to forget this map inhabited only by "Slavs":

[Midori]

Magyars have nothing to do with Slavs, Troll.

Why do they look like Slavs then? ))))

[Proto-Shaman]

Why do they look like Slavs then? ))))

Beecaauuse...

“The three main components of the Central-Asian populations, which seem to be anthropologically the closest to the Hungarian people, are the Turanid, the Pamirian and the East-Mediterranean (Ginzburg 1966). [...]. Equestrian, stock-breeding populations of Central-Asian origin, people of the Avar Empire had a great role in the formation of the Slav population of the the Carpathian/Pannonian Basin.”

Source: Endre Czeizel, Heide-G. Benkmann, H. Werner Goedde, Genetics of the Hungarian population: ethnic aspects, genetic markers, ecogenetics and disease spectrum, Springer Verlag, 1991, p.96

Seems that Slavs have Central Asian ties, too?

Spoiler!

Spoiler!

Wikipedia - Hungary:

"Additionally, the Avars formed a significant part of the population of the Carpathian Basin at the end of the 9th century; both contemporary sources[17][18] and a growing number of archaeological evidence suggest that groups of the Avars survived the disintegration of their empire."

Wiki-Sub-Sources:
17 • ^ For example, the Abbot Regino of Prüm mentions the plains of the Pannons and the Avars; Kristó, Gyula op. cit. (1993) pp. 96.
18 • ^ a b A Country Study: Hungary. Federal Research Division, Library of Congress. Retrieved 6 March 2009.

"Hungary = 35% Neo-Danubian (most common in the northeast), 25% Turanid (of Magyar derivation), 20% Dinaric (most common in the southwest), 15% Alpine (most common in the south), 2% Nordic, 2% Noric, 1% East Mediterranean = 39% Nordish (2% central and 37% periphery types)"

Source: Richard McCulloch - The Nordish Race

[Proto-Shaman]

You started this bullcrap. Anyway, you did not notice this thread is not serious

The bullcrap started with your following statement:

Hungarians call themselves Mogyers.

which was immediately followed by your next agressive nonsense statement without any background:

Hungarians are not Turks. They do not speak Turkic language, they do not look like Turks, they gennetically cluster with Slavs (acctually right in middle of us )...
And they have nothing to do with Odin

I always tried to remain on the basis of facts, but you consequently poured fire in this thread, whereas I did not.

[Onur]

Why do they look like Slavs then? ))))

Because slavs are their neighbors and like all the other people on earth, Hungarians looks similar with their neighbors too. They are not unique on this issue.

Also Slovenians, Austrians, Slovaks, Romanians, some Serbians looks like Hungarians, as much as Hungarians looks like them.

This is not an argument but it`s an ordinary phenomenon which can be seen anywhere on earth. If you think this is a valid argument, then you better explain to me why you look similar with Serbians, Albanians, Bulgarians and Greeks.

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