Hungarian Conquerors were a mixture of Goth and Hunnic tribes according to newest research

[Biometrik]

You've got some learning to do.

Actually you do, Mongoloid infected Northern Europeans have nothing to do with being Aryan. neither do any other Europeans.

[Fakirbakir]

Try to interpret this chart (based on 89 Hungarian Conquerors' samples),





31% Eastern and Inner Asia
6% likely Eastern and Inner Asia
28% Scandinavian German
10% likely Scandinavian German
6% Caucasus
6% Other Europeans
2% Slavic

"Genetic data imply Xiongnu origin of the Hungarian Conquerors, who were considerably admixed with Germans of Scandinavian origin, Neparaczky 2016" This is not a joke, this is serious
Full research can be read, here (HU) http://doktori.bibl.u-szeged.hu/3794...raczki_PhD.pdf

Another new study by the same research group (http://link.springer.com/article/10....438-016-1267-z) states that

"...we revealed that a significant portion of the Hungarians probably originated from a long ago consolidated gene pool in Central Asia-South Siberia, which still persists in modern Hungarians. Another genetic layer of the early Hungarians was obtained during their westward migrations by admixing with various populations of European origin, and an important component of these was derived from the Caucasus region. Most of the modern populations, which are genetically closest relatives of ancient Hungarians, today speak non-Indo-European languages"

So, it seems that there is going to be a problem with the explanation of the origin of the Hungarian language....

[Peterski]

Those samples are probably not from Magyars, but rather from assimilated locals after the conquest. As for Goths, could you be more patient and wait? 50 Gothic samples (Wielbark culture) from Poland will be published soon. I already have info about 4 out of these 50 samples. I know their Y-DNA haplogroups.

[Peterski]

89 Hungarian Conquerors' samplesp

Any Y-DNA haplogroups ??? Or just mtDNA ???

[Peterski]

http://doktori.bibl.u-szeged.hu/3794...raczki_PhD.pdf

Only mtDNA... ? Well, mtDNA is inherited from your mother.

And conquerors usually take local, conquered women as wifes.

So this is another worthless study, without any Y-DNA haplos.

[Hexachordia]

31% Eastern and Inner Asia
6% likely Eastern and Inner Asia

These percentages add up to a very huge amount of presumably mongoloid admixtures. I never saw such interpretation of genetic datas of hungarian people before, even the finns which have high amount of N-ydn, are consider indigenous european by the interpretation of their ynd-N. However, it seems to be of extreme minority given whatever kinds of conquesting leaders dna it may be.

[Peterski]

Did the Goths and Huns mingle? I thought they were bitter enemies.

Huns married Gothic women (which is why you get Gothic mtDNA in a study without Y-DNA):

http://christogenea.org/references/o...goths-jordanes

"(...) in the third battle, when they [the Huns under Balamber and the Goths under Vinitharius] met each other unexpectedly at the river named Erac, Balamber shot an arrow and wounded Vinitharius in the head, so that he died. Then Balamber took to himself in marriage Vadamerca, the grand-daughter of Vinitharius, and finally ruled all the people of the Goths as his peaceful subjects (...)"

According to some sources Fredemundus of the Salian Franks (born in 394 AD) was one of sons of Balamber and Vadamerca. So Fredemundus had Germanic mtDNA, but Hunnic Y-DNA.

Atilla's mother could also be Germanic, but his father was Hunnic - Mundzuk (Μουνδίουχος).

Studies on conquerors which focus on mtDNA and ignore Y-DNA, are simply worthless.

[Fakirbakir]

Those samples are probably not from Magyars, but rather from assimilated locals after the conquest. As for Goths, could you be more patient and wait? 50 Gothic samples (Wielbark culture) from Poland will be published soon. I already have info about 4 out of these 50 samples. I know their Y-DNA haplogroups.

The samples are from graves with classical conqueror grave goods. They cannot be "locals". Moreover the study also states that the previous Hungarian genetic researches are not really reliable because of methodological errors.

[Peterski]

The samples are from graves with classical conqueror grave goods. They cannot be "locals". Moreover the study also states that the previous Hungarian genetic researches are not really reliable because of methodological errors.

But where is Y-DNA and autosomal DNA? Only mtDNA = worthless study.

[Fakirbakir]

http://doktori.bibl.u-szeged.hu/3794...raczki_PhD.pdf

Only mtDNA... ? Well, mtDNA is inherited from your mother.

And conquerors usually take local, conquered women as wifes.

So this is another worthless study, without any Y-DNA haplos.

No, mtdna and Y-DNA