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    Quote Originally Posted by Heathers View Post
    white brazilians women are down for rich pardos and black soccer players
    a while back I was reading an article by Brazilian on how black Brazilians are sexualized a lot in Brazilian media
    like how in movies or telenovelas white brazilians have a black lover who they sleep with and cheat on their brazilian pardo/white man

    "We accepted this hyper-sexualization (2) like a lullaby. It was that or nothing. We were not princes, magazine models or colírios da capricho (magazine heartthrobs) (3). We weren’t the men with whom the girls dreamed of marrying, dating etc., but at least there were some white girls who used us when they wanted to try something different. And that really massaged the ego. And even with our knowing this, it was if as it was some kind of reward. That, for some, was the elevation of self-esteem. For me, strangely, it was the combat to racism."


    "Historian Daniel dos Santos sought to analyze the myths and stereotypes about the black Brazilian man, particularly those of a sexual nature that became part of relationships and daily life during the slavery era in Brazil and continue to be perpetuated in today’s times.

    In his findings, Santos reports that:

    Black men were always labeled as exotic, irrational, fetishistic, barbaric and uncivilized, among many other adjectives, in value judgments of great ethnocentric content and, above all, racist. The submission and enslavement of African peoples generated an imagery on black men, who were widely viewed as mere animals, devoid of reason, intelligence, humanity and culture.

    The anthropological profiles of enslaved Africans and the stereotypes created by European colonizers portrayed black men as highly sexual, hyper-erotic, lewd, depraved and “good in bed”. The commoditization of the black man through human trafficking, transfigured him into an object or commodity, reframed notions of black beauty and aesthetics, which were subjected to the dynamics of buying and selling slaves. Reflecting on the beauty, aesthetics, physical properties and anatomical exercise is of great importance for understanding the collective imagery projected on the black man’s sexuality and its manifestations throughout the ages. These features are elements that cause and suggest the relationship of eroticism to the body, causing lust and producing attractions, fetishes and sexual desires. The proportions and size of black men’s members, were deemed different from those of white men or other ethnic groups and offer other aspects that make up the sexual stereotypes of black men. "


    The performance and ease of sexual behavior, most often, are directly associated with the size of his penis. It is believed that blacks are “enormous”, “well hung”, “packing”, “bigger/better” (loose translations of the words: “desmarcados”, roludos”, “pirocudos” and “avantajados”) and other adjectives attached to them, in a homogeneous and generalized way, bringing the stigma of being producers of intense, voluptuous, sexual pleasure. This stigma has been configured through the ages, and manifests itself in such a silenced manner that most black men don’t notice or pretend not to notice, sometimes preferring to incorporate such values to their masculine identities and enjoy the potential benefits that they can offer. Stereotyping black masculinity in such a way is also a mode of practice of racism.



    In his 1977 work, Sobrados e Mucambos, the famed Brazilian anthropologist Gilberto Freyre cited studies and surveys of nineteenth-century anthropologists and physicians who attributed to the black man, more generally, superiority in the size of sexual organs: “(…) A doctor in Brazil’s imperial era…came to the conclusion that ‘the African penis (is)[…] usually voluminous, heavy, when placid; gaining very little in dimensions when in orgasm.”


    In the following, I cite the work of Simões, França and Macedo:

    The markers of color or race are combined with other markers, and strongly affect relationships and opportunities for partnership, albeit more subtle and less explicit. Thus, the combination of a certain style of dress (cap, sweatshirt, shorts or jeans), body type (tall and muscular), performance of gender (male) and dark skin color produce the figure of the “negão (big, black man).” The guys that fit the description of this figure tend to be the subject of great erotic interest and can be taken to be “garotos de programa” (male prostitutes). Also manifested in this image in relation to black guys, are conventional expectations related to penis size, and above average sexual performance and potency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlito's Way View Post
    rich whites also prefer to hire poor black men to fuck their rich white wife/girlfriend, ive seen them on porn sites LOL smh your white brazilian masters also fantasy about the BBC and have a weird fetish of seeing their women pipped by black men
    On the contrary. They will envy the milk-drilling dudes. If anything, this weird cuckold fetish is just as weird in the US, Europe and around the world, as it is here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by liberty View Post
    Of course: they are not just rich. They are VERY, VERY rich, far richer not only than most people of their race, but than most people regardless of race. They are also famous. That is a fairly small universe, and seems common among very rich Black soccer players in Europe too. But men think a bit differently from women on this respect. Women are the ones giving the financial status of her partner higher up on the priority scale. And they are much less stigmatised socially than are poor men dating rich women, as we all know. If anything, Black Brazilian women are the ones these days criticising their male counterparts for dating White women. They'll call them "palmiteiros" ("Heart of Palm Lover").

    I'm originally from SP State. I live in the South. I am socially a "White" here. My family is "middle-class" and I went to private schools. My classmates were also, mostly, "White". Tensions or prejudice didn't exist as far as to exclude our 2 or 3 pardo/black friends. But I can assure you: among us there was definitely a resistance to dating Black girls. It doesn't ever escalate to open criticism, ostracisation, or anything of the kind you see in the US. But I wouldn't say it's completely acceptable as some people see it.
    black people who lives among riches dates whites

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heathers View Post
    black people who lives among riches dates whites
    But no one denied it.

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    Cleyton takes advantage of the image of the black male by renting out his sexual services to women through Rio’s newspapers. After only 6 months in the game, Cleyton was already charging a pretty penny for his services. His clients are middle and upper class 30-ish women, the majority being married and “curiously, all white”. Sometimes these women are actually accompanied by their husbands.

    “I don’t understand how the life of two apparently happy (people) need a third (person)”, says Cleyton. What is it that these women are looking for in him? Do they ever say? “Yes. They believe that black men are more passionate, more active and mainly more hung.” Cleyton suspects that his clients would not date black men even if they could. “I am a pure fetish, they don’t openly accept crioulos (niggas)“, he says with certainty and a touch a irony. Cleyton details one of his many trysts.

    “One of the women that sought my services said that she has only been happy with black men, but because of family barriers, she couldn’t marry him. From then and up to now, her extra-conjugal life limits itself to black men”.





    “Generally, it is the husbands, always white men, that appear and request that I perform the role of the strong, virile, masculine man”, a role that he never turns down. Lest we think that Cleyton’s story is only one example and not enough from which to draw any conclusions, anthropologist Laura Moutinho interviewed many white Brazilian women for her book Razão, “cor” e desejo on interracial relationships and she reported that these women consistently told her that black men were “hotter”, “more virile” and sexually superior to white men. This idea in regards to black men is by no means new or restricted to Brazil. Consider the 2007 story that revealed older white women traveling to Kenya for sexual tourism. Or the 2005 film Heading South (Vers le sud) based on white women traveling to Haiti for the same purposes. Haitian-Canadian Dany Laferrière certainly played on this image with his provocatively titled How To Make Love To A Negro Without Getting Tired (Comment faire l’amour avec un nègre sans se fatiguer), a 1985 novel which would be turned into a film. And if anyone is in doubt about the stereotype in the US, a quick visit to the DVD store, or better yet, a Google search of terms like “BBC” will show why interracial porn is such a niche market. Sure these stereotypes certainly help sell a lot DVDs by those who continue to fetishize interracial sex, but again, my question is, do these images somehow improve the global image of black men or do they contribute to their denigration?


    Rodrigues as told to her by Wagner, a single, 20-year black man from São Paulo:

    It was in one of these strolls through Vila Madalena* that he met a middle class white girl, who told him about her preference for having relationships with black men, considering their physical specificities and skin color. The guy was surprised by the girl’s declaration as he didn’t fit this characterization because he was tall and thin and lacked a muscular physique. Despite the strangeness of that day, they exchanged affections, got together from time to time, and finally, making reference to the sexual act, they went to bed. Despite the girl’s statement about her preference for black guys, Wagner found that during and after intercourse, the girl expressed fear that he would hurt her. She believed that black men had a different sexual potency and augmented genitalia. Wagner revealed that he was annoyed with her attitude:

    “We had sex. Afterwards, she was like this (laughs)…We were having sex and she said: ‘Be careful, look at your color and look at mine.’ She said this! Oh, I said, ‘Great!’. Then, after we had sex, she said that it had been different. But what’s the difference? I had to talk to somebody about this, because I had never heard that in my life. I had heard this story that a negão (big, black man) has a different “pegada”**, which does damage, but for me, no one had ever said this. Who knows! I think I’m normal, I’m not that negão like that. (…) I’m very relaxed in relation to this [sex], like, I’m good, in my way. Up to the point that I had not had a relationship [losing his virginity], of course, you get nervous, you get very anxious, but then you discover how it is, then you relax. But you don’t expect certain comments. I think if I was on top of her only wanting to have sex, like, like the first time, wanting to knock it out and stuff, then you would expect a comment like that, but I didn’t do that. It was different because I’m calm, I expected her to say something different. Perhaps it could have even been unpleasant, like, ‘Oh! You’re so calm ‘. But, to say what she said didn’t hit me too good.”

    The implication of the girl clashed with Wagner’s self-image of a calm and quiet guy. He preferred that the girl would have perceived him as “normal.” The relationship did not continue and the experience was narrated by him as a new dilemma posed as a result of contact with new social groups, in which he had to negotiate ways of seeing himself and being seen. A perception about the singularity of black masculinity came across, with emphasis on sexual characters and body proportions – strength, height, violence, size. Now, it was no longer his (male) friend, who intentionally took care of his body, keeping it toned, and, therefore, having more prestige with the girls, but Wagner himself, by accident, was identified as a “typical” black man.

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    It is also no secret that the myth of BBC also gives Black men an advantage in the dating world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by liberty View Post
    On the contrary. They will envy the milk-drilling dudes. If anything, this weird cuckold fetish is just as weird in the US, Europe and around the world, as it is here.
    and notice how they only go after black men? aint nobody flying they asses to fuck triracial niggas like you

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlito's Way View Post
    and notice how they only go after black men? aint nobody flying they asses to fuck triracial niggas like you
    Yes? If so, then so what?

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    And women don't "only go after the black dudes". Their reputation for being large gives them some help in dating, but that's not the only thing that matters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by liberty View Post
    Sort of. They know of their lower status, envy "Whiteness" and consider it better to be White. If they get rich and marry a "White" person, it is very likely they will prefer the kids to rather look like their White spouse. They don't seem to consider race especially important though, since they have more urgent concerns.
    Wow. So even if they get rich, they have no desire to help their people?

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