Please classify this Parthian warrior from 247 BC - 224 AD

[MS85]

It has been said that Kurds may have got their name from the ancient Iranic people called Guti or Gutians. Iranic Gutians lived already around 2500 BC in Kurdic Zagros Mountains. Nobody knows where the word 'Kurd' is from, but some say it is also related to the ancient Roman dependency of Corduene, that is actually the heartland of Kurdistan. Maybe it is even from the Kassites who called themselves 'Kardu'.




I don't think Kurds have much to do with Khwarazm. But, maybe you are right that Kurds are a fusion of some different but similar to each other nomadic western Iranic tribes. But only if other west Iranic tribes switched over to a Kurdish language. Because we have an issue here what we call a language. There are many, many Kurdish dialects. But those Kurdic dialects have 1 single source/origin of proto-Kurdic. So our northwest Iranic language is only from 1 source, proto-Kurdic.

So Kurdish dialects are form 1 the same source of NorthWest Iranian and NorthWest Iranian has always been spoke only in Zagros Mountains. Kurdic is like Parthian and the language of the Medes as Northwest Iranic language. And the direct source of this language are the Medes.





Before nation-states Europe was also divided by different tribes etc. Only after the peace of Westphalia in 1648 Europe was divided by ethnic lines. In Germany lived also many different Germanic tribes that were united. The unification of Italy took also place very recently under Garibaldi. But nevertheless Italians speak Italian and similar to their direct ancestors the Romans. Most European nations are a product of unification of similar tribes.

[PaleoEuropean]

It has been said that Kurds may have got their name from the ancient Iranic people called Guti or Gutians. Iranic Gutians lived already around 2500 BC in Kurdic Zagros Mountains. Nobody knows where the word 'Kurd' is from, but some say it is also related to the ancient Roman dependency of Corduene, that is actually the heartland of Kurdistan. Maybe it is even from the Kassites who called themselves 'Kardu'.




I don't think Kurds have much to do with Khwarazm. But, maybe you are right that Kurds are a fusion of some different but similar to each other nomadic western Iranic tribes. But only if other west Iranic tribes switched over to a Kurdish language. Because we have an issue here what we call a language. There are many, many Kurdish dialects. But those Kurdic dialects have 1 single source/origin of proto-Kurdic. So our northwest Iranic language is only from 1 source, proto-Kurdic.

So Kurdish dialects are form 1 the same source of NorthWest Iranian and NorthWest Iranian has always been spoke only in Zagros Mountains. Kurdic is like Parthian and the language of the Medes as Northwest Iranic language. And the direct source of this language are the Medes.





Before nation-states Europe was also divided by different tribes etc. Only after the peace of Westphalia in 1648 Europe was divided by ethnic lines. In Germany lived also many different Germanic tribes that were united. The unification of Italy took also place very recently under Garibaldi. But nevertheless Italians speak Italian and similar to their direct ancestors the Romans. Most European nations are a product of unification of similar tribes.

[Pahli]

Ethnic Parthian (so called Parni tribes) were definitely not similar to Kurds or Persians, they were nomadic Scythians before they migrated to Iran and established the Parthian empire

[Negah]

Ethnic Parthian (so called Parni tribes) were definitely not similar to Kurds or Persians, they were nomadic Scythians before they migrated to Iran and established the Parthian empire

Agreed. Parthians were NE Iranians.

We also need to be careful when we use the term Persians and Kurds both have evolved over the years.

For example, Kurds for a while designated for all the nomads of North West Iran.

[MS85]

Oh yeah, but I'm geographically only related to the Medes and Parthians. Kurdish homeland or Kurdistan is located on the same place as Western Media or Western Parthia. Kurds already lived in Kurdistan before Khwarazm. Saladin was born before than and his father and his granddadies all came from Northern Kurdistan. They had nothing to do with Khwarazm.

Not only geographically are connected to the Medes and Parthians, but also linguistically and culturally. Also a native Kurdic religion is similar to the ancient Medes. And as a top above all that, we have got today their DNA. Ancient DNA samples from ancient Media and later Parthia are identical to the DNA of modern Kurds. To summarizing what connects Kurds to the Medes (and Parthians):

a) Location/geography -> Northern Mesopotamia/Zagros Mountains
b) Language -> Northwest Iranic
c) Culture (Iranic) -> Dances, folklore (stories, legends), tradition/way of life
d) Religion - Mitraism/Yezidism
e) DNA

[MS85]

Parthians were Northwest Iranic people and spoke a Northwest Iranic dialect/language evolved from the Median language.

Parthian was a Western Middle Iranian language. Language contact made it share some features of the Eastern Iranian language group, the influence of which is attested primarily in loanwords. Some traces of Eastern influence survive in Parthian loanwords in Armenian.
Taxonomically, Parthian, an Indo-European language, belongs to the Northwestern Iranian language group while Middle Persian belongs to the Southwestern Iranian language group.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parthian_language

[MS85]

I showed that Aryan Parthian warrior to all my relatives I have direct contact with (my wife, my brother and my father) and according to them that Parthian warrior looks very Kurdish and has nothing to do with the Persians.

[War Chef]

I like the theory that Kurds are remnants of Sassanid, Achamenid etc. garrsions.... That's why Kurds and Iranians are almost identical genetically.

[MS85]

I like the theory that Kurds are remnants of Sassanid, Achamenid etc. garrsions.... That's why Kurds and Iranians are almost identical genetically.

Kurds are identical to modern Persians, because ancestors of the Kurds (Medes/Parthians) and Persians (ancient Persians) were almost identical.

According to the ancient Greeks both the Medes and Persians were Aryan people and closely related to each other.

The Kurds can't be from the Persians, because Persians speak a SOUTH Western Iranic dialect, while Kurds speak a NORTH Western Iranic dialect.

proto-Persian was SouthWestern Iranic
proto-Kurdic (Median/Parthian) was NorthWestern Iranic


It is all about language and small details!

[MS85]

Every time when I want to know the origin of somebody I do look at his/her native spoken language first.