What type of Nationalist are you?

[Terek]

Blowing up Russians in the name of Allah isn't very European

That is why I say in a rational way, no one here likes Kavkaz Imarat

[The Alchemist]

I don't know what kind of nationalist i am, i just know that i love european culture and history more than everything, but it doesn't mean that i hate all the others, i don't hate anyone in this world (tough i dislike some mentalities). I appreciate non-euro cultures too, like japanese, ancient chinese and indian.
I'm against too much mixing cause it leads to the death of all cultures (and i'm against globalization).
That's what i am

[Aptrgangr]

Why? Unless you have reading comprehension problems?

I don't have, I just found the confession to ethno-nationalism sounded a bit weak.

Christianity does not define our nation,

I don't know any European nation which is not defined by Christianity - except Albania.

nor does some quarter Dane who calls himself king. We should've done away with the royal family decades ago.

And established a republic?

By the way, how is this any of your business?

Everything I find interesting is my business.
http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/distrikt/o...shus/1.3257660

We are more sovereign than Germany. You've been humiliated in two world wars, had your pride and your army taken away from you, you've been stripped of your rights to free speech, you can barely flag your own flags, and now you bow before the EU and Greece. How about worrying about your own country before worrying about mine?

The difference is, I have no illusions about the leftwing-fascist tyranny I live in.

This is something for us to worry about. As I've expressed, we still have national and cultural pride unlike Germany, and we aren't slaves to the EU and Greece.

We still have a living culture in the rural areas - and "we" are no slaves of Greece, they are in debts and have to pay these back. So far I am not convinced Norway is the paradise you wish it were, as the government there has not learnt one thing from the mistakes and crimes done in the EU.

I don't really care much about Germany. You must solve your own issues, and we'll solve ours. Mmkay?

Alright, but let's not pretend we were the only representants of our respective nations on this discussion board...

We have nothing even remotely like Germany. Oslo is about 24% immigrant, including Eastern and Western Europeans. Germany has cities with 35% to 40% immigrants.

And what measures are taken by Norway, which is so sovereign according to your words, to reverse this trend?

And now Turks want an autonomous Turkish region in Germany.

How will Norway deal with that diplomatically? Again with air strikes in support of rebels which are fought against in Afghanistan at the same time?

In Norway we have benefits even for people who're looking for work. Germany has twice the percentage of unemployed people we have, plus millions of poor people in Germany. Then you have all the Little Istanbuls and Turkish sectarianism, the inequality between west and east, the problems with the Euro currency, paying Greece's debts, Germans converting to Islam (like Sven Lau) by the thousands. You have no national or cultural pride left, only shame. At least in Norway we can bring up WWII without facing jail or fines.

Again, I can't see Norway changing tack.

I don't think a German should be lecturing Norwegians about how to treat people.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telav%C...C3.A5g_tragedy

Only a sissy can't deal with criticizm. Your point only would have made sense if I had been in support of NS imperialism, which I never were.
The difference is Germans loath NS and their crimes whereas the Norwegian government is keen to present itself as the flag ship of democracy and human rights, but never paid the compensations, which the FRG paid to the victims of Norwegans crimes, to the victims

We know. We also had many pesky German "tourists" here from 1940 until 1945.

Apparently they were no tourists, but occupation troops - that is no excuse for own crimes against children though.

At least we Norwegians still have some backbone and pride left.

At least you have that.

Can you say "Goodbye Germany"?

It's too early for the last hurrah. Nothing lasts forever, history shows many plump tyrants soon enough got what they deserved.

[Loki]

I'm not a nationalist, but rather a humanist.

[The Ripper]

While nowadays it seems necessary to emphasize the ethnic component, I think all nations need to develop their own nationalism, which should be a balance between state and identity, civic and ethnic. In Finland, I basically think that there could be a state nationalism and an ethnic nationalism side by side. A state nationalism that binds together the different nationalities: Finns, Swedish-speakers, Sámi, etc, coupled with an ethnic nationalism within those groups. Finland also has a history of meta-ethnic nationalism and irredentism. I think we should also keep some such component. Finnish nationalists used to think that Finland had a messianic mission and special place among the Baltic Finns, and this could be translated into a pro-Finnic orientation in terms of foreign aid or something.

[The Ripper]

This thread and topic actually reminds me of something I came across at Stirpes years ago, when I was but a novice of nationalism:

False Opposites in Nationalism:

An Examination of the Dichotomy of Civic Nationalism and Ethnic Nationalism in Modern Europe.

by

Margareta Mary Nikolas



Master of Arts (European Studies)
Centre for European Studies
Monash University

11 March 1999

ABSTRACT:

This study is an examination of the exercise of nationalism as the assertion and/or reassertion of the mutual (political) sovereignty of a community in the form of a nation-state. My thesis aims to explore two theoretically different routes and forms of exercise of nationalism focusing specifically on modern Europe. These two routes are civic nationalism and ethnic nationalism. This classical dichotomy, I agree, is a misleading division for though the two are theoretically separate, in practice they are collaborators in the journey towards nationhood and in the pursuit of the establishment of a nation-state.

For nationalism to be successful it must involve an interplay of the principles of both civic nationalism and ethnic nationalism, rather than these components acting as mutually exclusive concepts. The nature of this interplay will be examined throughout the thesis and the collaboration will be explored via the two competing perspectives: that held by the modernists and that proposed by the ethnicists, both operating within the framework of modernity. The key distinction between the two is their focus and the point at which they identify a group imagining themselves as a community and society. Their respective cases will be critically examined with respect to those elements that determine that an interplay occurs.

http://www.nationalismproject.org/ar...las/title.html

[Tel Errant]

Civic Nationalism wants to negate cultural and ethnic identity

So an Algerian identifying himself as a Frenchman is good for ethnic preservation?

And an afroamerican identifying as US American is bad for white ethnic preservation? I'd rather have a French of algerian descent being loyal to the state rather than one who identifies with the ummah, riots and burns cars in the banlieu.
Civic nationalism is about giving your loyalty to the state, ethnic preservation is up to the people individually not a political stance, both things are independant from each other. Because civic nationalism isn't ethnically oriented doesn't mean that it seeks to destroy ethnicities and cultures.

Because Civic nationalism / Patriotism it is indeed the comfort zone for people who have lost their family structure and rather find kinship with social constructs, institutions, facilities, buildings and other things deprived of humanity.

Civic nationalism / Patriotism is as significant as supporting a football club.

Well said, mate. It's for people who have lost their sense of an "extended family" on an ethnic level and don't have any more bonds to other people like them, so they instead feel a connection to social constructs - without paying attention to the obvious fact that these constructs were created by people like themselves.

I just had to lol at your pseudo-intellectual rants.

So how does ethnonationalism translates outside retarded internet activism? I mean politically. Mainstream nationalist parties are civic nationalist parties, the FN is a civic nationalist party.
You can stop immigration, send back home foreigners when their visa has expired and deprive of their nationality criminals that have acquired it not too long ago but you'll never send out ten millions citizens most of them being French/Portuguese/British/whatever for the 3rd or 4th generation already. Get real.

[Hevneren]

I don't have, I just found the confession to ethno-nationalism sounded a bit weak.

I guess you thought wrong. Anyway, how is what I believe in any of your business? Are you some sort of thought police?

I don't know any European nation which is not defined by Christianity - except Albania.

Religion is the product of people holding a belief. People, not nations. I'm not Christian and neither is my nation.

And established a republic?

Exactly.

Everything I find interesting is my business.

Wrong answer.

The difference is, I have no illusions about the leftwing-fascist tyranny I live in.

You may live in a fascist tyranny, I do not.

We still have a living culture in the rural areas - and "we" are no slaves of Greece, they are in debts and have to pay these back. So far I am not convinced Norway is the paradise you wish it were, as the government there has not learnt one thing from the mistakes and crimes done in the EU.

We're better off than Germany, which is a fact.

Alright, but let's not pretend we were the only representants of our respective nations on this discussion board...

I've never suggested we were.

And what measures are taken by Norway, which is so sovereign according to your words, to reverse this trend?

How about you focus on your own country?

How will Norway deal with that diplomatically? Again with air strikes in support of rebels which are fought against in Afghanistan at the same time?

Ah, a German jokes about Norway taking part in a war! Priceless! What does the war in Afghanistan have to do with a) the subject of this thread and b) the fact that Turks want an autonomous Turkish region in Germany?

Again, I can't see Norway changing tack.

Shouldn't you be worrying about Germany?

Only a sissy can't deal with criticizm.

You act as the thought police on this thread, insult my nation, and then you complain when I answer in kind?

Your point only would have made sense if I had been in support of NS imperialism, which I never were. The difference is Germans loath NS and their crimes whereas the Norwegian government is keen to present itself as the flag ship of democracy and human rights, but never paid the compensations, which the FRG paid to the victims of Norwegans crimes, to the victims

You're funny. We've paid millions upon millions to Jews and others who were victims in Norway. What has Germany compensated Norway with after destroying our economy, killing 11,000 of our people, torturing people and imprisoning our patriots and regular citizens in concentration camps, and kidnapping children for the Lebensborn programme? Did you compensate the victims of the Telavåg tragedy?

Apparently they were no tourists, but occupation troops - that is no excuse for own crimes against children though.

Apparently. I'm glad you recognised my sarcasm here.

At least you have that.

We sure do.

It's too early for the last hurrah. Nothing lasts forever, history shows many plump tyrants soon enough got what they deserved.

Just don't start another world war which you'll lose like the other two times.

[Leliana]

As I've expressed, we still have national and cultural pride unlike Germany

Your hearsay talk is awkward. There's lots of national and cultural pride, do you think Germany is made up of the towns only? And that you think that Norway is no slave to the system of globalism and EU shows how distracted you are! Norway is in the same boat and connected with EU by many contracts.

You're a bigoted, narrow-minded, aggressive hater!

[Hevneren]

Your hearsay talk is awkward. There's lots of national and cultural pride, do you think Germany is made up of the towns only? And that you think that Norway is no slave to the system of globalism and EU shows how distracted you are! Norway is in the same boat and connected with EU by many contracts.

You're a bigoted, narrow-minded, aggressive hater!

More namecalling from the courtesy police. Where are your manners?

I simply responded to a German member who was acting as thought police judging me, then insulting my nation and being a general uppity foreigner sticking his nose in our business.