Hagia Sophia: Turkish court rules in favour of converting into a mosque

[The Lawspeaker]

Do you believe the official drug use statistics in let's say.. the United States ? You'd be naive if you did. Because everything goes through the black market and it's not like drug pushers and their customers are going to fill in forms (in triplicate and with paperclips) afterwards and pay the sales tax to either local or federal government so it can all be neatly calculated and included in the national statistics.

[Teutone]

As if they would tell a statistician whose likely aligned with the government. The government statistics ONLY look at what is sold.. officially... over the counter. In other words: I am willing to believe in statistics but statistics which only include one factor are complete and utter tosh.

This is not a government statistic to begin with but a simple sales stat and again noone denies the black market, noone.

Thats why the simple comparison with neighboring countries simply comes to account.

[The Lawspeaker]

This is not a government statistic to begin with but a simple sales stat and again noone denies the black market, noone.

Thats why the simple comparison with neighboring countries simply comes to account.

Not really because much the same pattern can be there and you wouldn't know... because guess what: it's done through the black market (no paper trail). That's why they exist: they leave no records because they're breaking the law by either fucking over the tax man or using a declared illegal substance.

[StonyArabia]

Somehow the evil dirty pork consumers got a longer life expantcy than your places.

People of European descent, as well East Asians have genetics that make them live longer. Middle easterners genetics does not allow them to live that long usually mid 60’s to 70’s. Other than genetics, there is stress of life in many Middle Eastern places. Yet in the West there is less stress. The people that live the longest don’t consume much pork but sea food and that is the Japanese of Okinawa islands. Life span depends on genetics and environment.

[Teutone]

Not really because much the same pattern can be there and you wouldn't know... because guess what: it's done through the black market (no paper trail). That's why they exist: they leave no records because they're breaking the law by either fucking over the tax man or using a declared illegal substance.

Who here is denying the existence of a black market or a dark figure?

noone.

[The Lawspeaker]

Who here is denying the existence of a black market or a dark figure?

noone.

Yes but that means that the statistics, by default, are bunk.

Just to give you a small hint of how substantial the black market a.k.a shadow economy is:

In the U.K., the shadow economy constitutes approximately 10 percent of gross domestic product (GDP), about 14 percent in Nordic countries and between 20 to 30 percent in many southern European countries, according to the IEA.

(2013)...... and yet.. it's probably much bigger now. Pay attention to the words approximately, about and between. They don't know for sure.

[Mingle]

Yes but that means that the statistics, by default, are bunk.

The stats are probably downplaying how common it is, but it's unlikely that Muslims are gonna consume at alcohol at the same level as Christians. That's all he's saying.

[Teutone]

People of European descent, as well East Asians have genetics that make them live longer. Middle easterners genetics does not allow them to live that long usually mid 60’s to 70’s. Other than genetics, there is stress of life in many Middle Eastern places. Yet in the West there is less stress. The people that live the longest don’t consume much pork but sea food and that is the Japanese of Okinawa islands. Life span depends on genetics and environment.

The bullshit you spread here about pork would reflect negatively on the life expectancy. Pork with the quality standard the western world applied on meat is not any more harmful than any other meat, on the other hand id think twice to eat any meat in the middle east with that poor hygienic conditions you have.

[The Lawspeaker]

The stats are probably downplaying how common it is, but it's unlikely that Muslims are gonna consume at alcohol at the same level as Christians. That's all he's saying.

I think it's probably downplaying it by a lot. There will be a lot of illegal parties in the Middle East too. It's just that they don't appear in the books (of course) and nobody is going to tell you about them (of course).

[StonyArabia]

Most of the world eats it without any porblem. By the way, pork consumption is also the strongest dietary contributor to height (followed by potatoes, eggs, and dairy in that order).

It's true that pigs are not exactly the cleanest animals but it's not like cows and other animals you eat are super clean either. Vegans claim that eating cows is harmful like how you claim eating pig is harmful.

Cows are clean animals. Despite having a tapeworm, the beef tapeworm is not that problematic. It’s also easy to kill. Plus if Cows are clean they don’t get it. You can eat raw beef, but you are risking your life with pork. I have eaten raw beef before and never got sick. You can’t even eat a rare pork. Yet you can with beef.

Most of the world eats pork because it’s cheap. Yet there has been many cases of people getting tapeworms in their brains, some are lucky to survive, well others are dead or become invalid as a result. Yet no one died or had nureological problems with beef. There is a reason why many cultures avoid pork. If it’s true that pork co tribute to height ? Why the Chinese are not that tall? Hmm