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[The Lawspeaker]

What? It's hard to put the army on ships on the most southeastern part of Italy and travel to the Middle East? Greeks colonized the Mediterranean sea like that more than 1500 years before the crusades, but obviously the great westerners couldn't afford it. The economy didn't allow for Jesus wars I guess. They had to walk through the Balkans and fuck shit up.

The Italian route was taken as well at times. Going through the Balkans was more efficient as you would need a LOT of ships to ferry all that stuff to where it needs to go. But you wouldn't understand any of that.

[The Lawspeaker]

During the period of the First Crusade, logistics and shipping simply wasn't that advanced yet. The Third and Fourth used naval routes.

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Who is yours ? Stalin ? The Holy Land WAS Christian until the Muslims conquered it but you don't mention that (of course).

Again you answer a question with a question. Very honorable you dogshit crusader wannabe. No shit Sherlock. And do you know when it became Muslim territory?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histor...sid_Caliphates

"The city was one of the Arab Caliphate's first conquests in 638 CE"

"Fatimid control of Jerusalem ended when it was captured by Crusaders in July 1099. The capture was accompanied by a massacre of almost all of the Muslim and Jewish inhabitants. "

500 years later "hOLy LaNd MuSt bE cHrIsTiaN!1" Very holy. +10 holiness for massacring the Muslim and Jewish population. Jesus approves.

[Kamal900]

Who is yours ? Stalin ? The Holy Land WAS Christian until the Muslims conquered it but you don't mention that (of course).

Pretty much. Jews were a minority during the Byzantine era of Palestine due on the fact that most of them converted to Christianity which you can see in today's Palestinian Christians being genetically very Israelite with little to no admixture from outside of the Levant in them in contrast to Palestinian Muslims who are over 50% Israelite(we cluster in between ancient Egyptians and northern Levantines) like western Jewish peoples(Ashkenazim and Sephardi Jews; they're half MENA half Europeans genetically).

[The Lawspeaker]

The Fifth, Sixth, Seventh and Eight Crusades also used naval routes.

[Kamal900]

The Italian route was taken as well at times. Going through the Balkans was more efficient as you would need a LOT of ships to ferry all that stuff to where it needs to go. But you wouldn't understand any of that.

That's how many of the migrated to the Levant in the first place which is why you can find only Southern European admixture in today's Levantines. In fact, the word, Levantines, was used primarily for the Southern European immigrants to the Levant from Italy and Greece.

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During the period of the First Crusade, logistics and shipping simply wasn't that advanced yet. The Third and Fourth used naval routes.

Even worse. 4th crusade went directly to Constantinople with ships to create a Latin empire and fight wars with Byzantium and Bulgaria. What a fucking clownfest.

[The Lawspeaker]

"The city was one of the Arab Caliphate's first conquests in 638 CE"

There you say it: conquest. Did you know who also opened the gates for the Moors in Spain during the Islamic invasion ? Guess... ?

[The Lawspeaker]

Even worse. 4th crusade went directly to Constantinople with ships to create a Latin empire and fight wars with Byzantium and Bulgaria. What a fucking clownfest.

Traitors get paid a traitor's wage.

[Kamal900]

Even worse. 4th crusade went directly to Constantinople with ships to create a Latin empire and fight wars with Byzantium and Bulgaria. What a fucking clownfest.

Well, Charlemagne and the Abbasid Arabs had close relations with each other, and both planned to destroy the Byzantine empire back then, so history isn't some black-and-white thing.