Fatyanovo-Balanovo autosomal results?

**Dr_Maul** · 01-03-2021, 05:55 PM

Best fit for me is using Kashkarchi

Spoiler!

**Kyp** · 01-03-2021, 05:56 PM

Originally Posted by Aren

Try this for your father.

Code:

Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps,0.1013025,0.133034,-0.07071,-0.043605,-0.0498555,-0.0092035,0.008108,-0.011653,-0.066368,-0.01631,0.0030855,0.011015,-0.019846,0.005849,0.0042075,-0.0102095,-0.0001305,-0.003927,-0.001697,0.0032515,0.003494,-0.000247,-0.0036975,-0.0090975,-0.0030535
TKM_IA,0.103579,0.093429,-0.018102,0.042313,-0.035083,0.025937,0.003525,-0.003461,-0.044382,-0.040821,-0.011042,-0.00045,0.000595,-0.018579,0.024158,0.017369,-0.01356,-0.000887,0.001508,-0.01138,0.001248,0.000989,0.001849,0.009037,0.001916
IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2,0.043708,-0.0327002,-0.170006,0.0950268,-0.1047582,0.0568936,0.0063452,0.0041998,0.0056858,0.0067428,-0.0051964,0.0079128,-0.0018436,-0.0031928,0.0098534,0.0097852,-0.0023732,0.0025084,0.0016342,-0.0142568,0.0029694,-0.0125136,-0.0011832,-0.0119052,0.001317
KAZ_Karluk,0.0631715,-0.151822,0.0173475,-0.0008075,-0.0467775,-0.0029285,0.004935,0.01223,-0.016055,-0.010205,-0.020055,-0.000824,0,-0.0026835,0.0107895,-0.0039115,-0.0137555,0.004181,0.0072905,-0.0019385,-0.0099825,-0.002164,-0.001479,-0.0019885,0.004071
TUR_Arslantepe_EBA,0.1032945,0.1546142,-0.0594908,-0.089552,-0.0198495,-0.0290045,0.0017625,-0.010615,-0.0177422,0.012483,0.0054808,0.0017985,-0.005649,0.003888,-0.0106202,-0.0020882,0.0073667,0.0017735,0.0029852,0.0010945,-0.001435,0.004235,-0.0016332,-0.0043682,-0.000509
IRN_Seh_Gabi_C,0.0799038,0.1186138,-0.1042362,-0.054264,-0.067151,-0.0124944,0.005499,-0.0086302,-0.0478176,-0.0168748,0.0024684,0.0005096,-0.001427,-0.0011558,0.0034204,0.0170244,-0.0028684,0.0046622,0.0082206,-0.014682,0.0070626,-0.005787,-0.0015282,-0.0162432,0.0072566

The Mazandarani part is actually very distant (more distant than I thought initially), I doubt it could've contributed this much. The Persian part (25%) is from Isfahan province.

I can't make sense of this result tbh:

Target: KypFather_scaled
Distance: 0.0240% / 0.02396414
49.2 TUR_Arslantepe_EBA
23.4 TKM_IA
16.4 KAZ_Karluk
7.6 IRN_Seh_Gabi_C
3.4 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2

**Mejgusu** · 01-03-2021, 06:04 PM

Zoro what do you expect, that i should applaud that you used sources which claim Kurds are the most Central Asian people from Mugla to Golestan? There are Kurds with no east eurasian and less than 7% north european. Even you would mean the non/pre-Turkic steppe this would be wrong. You are not really different to other Western Iranics regarding steppe ancestry, just more Anatolian/SW-Asian shifted.

**Zoro** · 01-03-2021, 06:05 PM

Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

by Levant N you mean the PPN samples, or something else?

The highest coverage sample of Israel-PPBN

**Zoro** · 01-03-2021, 06:30 PM

Originally Posted by Gecko

Zoro what do you expect, that i should applaud that you used sources which claim Kurds are the most Central Asian people from Mugla to Golestan? There are Kurds with no east eurasian and less than 7% north european. Even you would mean the non/pre-Turkic steppe this would be wrong. You are not really different to other Western Iranics regarding steppe ancestry, just more Anatolian/SW-Asian shifted.

If you want to go with your Gedmatch calculator over 5 scientific papers or studies have at it

**Mejgusu** · 01-03-2021, 06:44 PM

Originally Posted by Zoro

If you want to go with your Gedmatch calculator over 5 scientific papers or studies have at it

If even unknown internet users are more accurate, then this tells enough about your scientific papers. Accept facts, personally i neither try to negate Kurdish identity nor i try to be nasty but your points are nonsense. I wont say why, other already explained the facts.

**Demhat** · 01-03-2021, 11:38 PM

Originally Posted by Arhat

Lol which fucking Saka were West Iranic this is already on Proto-Shaman troll level.

What kind of clown are you actually? I am not going to stay calm when you put words in my mouth which I never used.

I never claimed they are West Iranic can't you read properly? I said how can you use language (West vs East Iranic) as argument if you claim in the same comment that Turkic speaking Kazakh are more Saka than Pashtuns and Tajiks. You don't need to speak a certain language to have admixture from that group what kind of nonsense is this?

Also you don't even understand the phoenetic reasons for the West-East division which is in allot of modern linguistic cases not a widely accepted method anymore. With more Bactrian findings allot of modern linguists to not support this model anymore but a West-Central-East model with various dialects/languages inbetween. More like a network than a simple tree model.

On top of that you claim Sogdians are not Saka while Saka was an umbrella for most East Iranic tribes. Sogdian is a middle Iranic descend of Saka/Scythian. Also our understanding of Saka language is Khotanese from the Kingdom of Khotan, far south from Kazakhstan on the territory between West China, Tajikistan, Northeast Pakistan and East Afghanistan, you absolutely uneducated child.

I repeat learn to read and start understanding the linguistic groups better you use Ossetians who are descend of Alans (Sarmatian descend/related) as example while claiming mostly Sogdian descend Tajiks are less Scythian. While in fact linguistically Sogdian is closer to other Scythian groups than Sarmatian/Alan is. You are so dumb it's just insane to think some people would even dare to think what you say is more than just garbage.

Fact of the matter is Tajiks are likely genetically the most (or at least one of the most) genetic Saka descend group in all of Eurasia. And Dari and Pashtuns are not far off. You can argue about Ossetians depending on if yu consider Sarmatians Scythians or just Scythian related (imo they are Scythian related).

And there is absolutely no doubt that there is real Scythian ancestry on the Iranian plateau and this ancestry definitely exceeds the 1(lol) percent.

**Arhat** · 01-04-2021, 12:10 AM

Originally Posted by Demhat

You seriously need to learn how to read you low life clown. I am not going to stay calm when you put words in my mouth which I never used.

I never claimed they are West Iranic are you brain damaged? I said how can you use language (West vs East Iranic) as argument if you claim in the same fucking comment that Turkic speaking Kazakh are more Saka than Pashtuns and Tajiks. You don't need to speak a certain language to have admixture from that group what kind of nonsense is this?

On top of that you claim Sogdians are not Saka while Saka was an umbrella for most East Iranic tribes. Sogdian is a middle Iranic descend of Saka/Scythian. Also our understanding of Saka language is Khotanese from the Kingdom of Khotan, far south from Kazakhstan on the territory between West China, Tajikistan, Northeast Pakistan and East Afghanistan, you absolutely uneducated child.

I repeat learn to read and start understanding the linguistic groups better you use Ossetians who are descend of Alans (Sarmatian descend/related) as example while claiming mostly Sogdian descend Tajiks are less Scythian. While in fact linguistically Sogdian is closer to other Scythian groups than Sarmatian/Alan is. You are so dumb it's just insane to think some people would even dare to think what you say is more than just garbage.

Fact of the matter is Tajiks are likely genetically the most (or at least one of the most) genetic Saka descend group in all of Eurasia. And Dari and Pashtuns are not far off. You can argue about Ossetians depending on if yu consider Sarmatians Scythians or just Scythian related (imo they are Scythian related).

And there is absolutely no doubt that there is real Scythian ancestry on the Iranian plateau and this ancestry definitely exceeds the 1(lol) percent.

Saka lived in Kazakhstan for 1000 years and orginated there unlike in Kurdistan or Afghanistan; so of course Kazakh have more direct ancestry from them even when very much diluted. Their Y-DNA also matches ancient Saka you moron. Tajiks are mainly descendatns of Bactrians, Sogdians + recent Turkic and West Iranian ancestry. Saka ancestry is surely present among Tajiks in Tajikistan and North Afghanistan but mainly via Turks and diluted. Tajiks from Pansjhir or East Afghanistan who are similar to Dards and Pamiri have barely any of it.

Do you think Yfull is a turanian conspiracy too?. Most ancient Saka were under this clade and it is still found among Kazakh but was not found among one Iranian, Kurd, Afghan or even Tajik.
https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-S23592/

Sogdians were entire different people from Saka even when they got their ethnonym from Saka. Pashtun is also derived from the term Parsa just like Persian but this does not mean Pashtuns and Persians were the same people. Names can travel because of elites and other reasons.

I never wrote Ossetians are not descendants of Sarmatians they surely have direct Sarmatian ancestry even when mixed but their ancestors were Sarmatians, who even when very similar to Central Asian Saka were genetically quite distinct.

Khotanese is closer related to Pamiri than to Saka languages or even Sogdian it was surely influenced by Saka but is not a direct descendant of it

**~~Trouble~~** · 01-04-2021, 12:11 AM

Andronovo is barely different from Sintashta. Even the most eastern samples(krasnoyarsk) are only like 5% extra WSHG. From Corded Ware, to sintashta, to Srubnaya, to Andronovo these MLBA steppe groups are essentially 70% yamnaya and 30% neolithic Euro.

If Sintashta is failing in modeling Indo-Iranian populations it's probably due to some unique drift among Andronovo which causes it, because otherwise the core ancestry is essentially the same. TKM_IA btw is roughly half MLBA steppe and the other half BMAC or Yazd culture, leaning slightly more steppe.

**Zoro** · 01-04-2021, 12:33 AM

Originally Posted by Trouble

Andronovo is barely different from Sintashta. Even the most eastern samples(krasnoyarsk) are only like 5% extra WSHG. From Corded Ware, to sintashta, to Srubnaya, to Andronovo these MLBA steppe groups are essentially 70% yamnaya and 30% neolithic Euro.

If Sintashta is failing in modeling Indo-Iranian populations it's probably due to some unique drift among Andronovo which causes it, because otherwise the core ancestry is essentially the same. TKM_IA btw is roughly half MLBA steppe and the other half BMAC or Yazd culture, leaning slightly more steppe.

https://eurasiandna.com/?p=2659

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Look at the p-values. Very different !