Mediterranean and Nordic: Same structure, different pigmentation & hair color?

[Dimitri159]

Is it true that Mediterranean and Nordic types share similar facial structures and craniometry, just with different hair and skin tones?
If so, what other types of the Caucasian groups (MENA types included) may have surprisingly the same or similar facial structures and craniometry as the Nordic type?

[Jana]

Not same strcuture. Facial features are different.

[Dimitri159]

Not same strcuture. Facial features are different.

But the same craniometry, which makes Med a lot more "European" than other phenotypes in Europe, right???

[Immanenz]

if the only condition is to fall into a Aurignacien headshape than yes. Combe Capelle was also Aurignacoid but this was a Hunter Gatherer type.

Just quick facts; Gracile Med peaks in Saudi Arabia, Atlanto Med in North Africa, when it comes to craniometrical aspects (the only that he must have considered)- according to Coon. Thats how much it matters Arabid is basically a Mediterranid for Coon as well and he saw it stretching from Portugal to India more or less. If you would have read Coon, he actually said that dolicehpalic "Mediterranid" types are rare in Europe- there are only a few zones like Portugal, some parts of Britain and Sweden that were dolicephalic. Most Europeans fall into mesocephalic to sub-brachycephalic (arround 78 -83 cephalic index).

If the differences would be pin pointed in hair/pigmentation- every light haired South European Mediterranid would look Scandinavian Nordic. The realitiy the majority of Central European Nordic forms dont look Scandinavian etc. as well, despite being closer to them let alone light South European- outside maybe a few extremly rare exceptions.

[Benyzero]

Imagine Zeno with albino colors lol

[Badr madani]

Is this coon BS still working. oh god.

[Dimitri159]

Is this coon BS still working. oh god.

Is Coon inaccurate? You should reply to my thread about him, it's my most recent.

[alnortedelsur]

Is no "different pigmentation and hair color" just about very similar skin tones in most cases, and higher incidence of light hair and eyes among north Europeans than in south Europeans, and nevertheless, light colored eyes, and lightish hair tones are not uncommon among southern Europeans, anyways.

Lets cut with the dumb cliches, seriously...

[Token]

if the only condition is to fall into a Aurignacien headshape than yes. Combe Capelle was also Aurignacoid but this was a Hunter Gatherer type.

Just quick facts; Gracile Med peaks in Saudi Arabia, Atlanto Med in North Africa, when it comes to craniometrical aspects (the only that he must have considered)- according to Coon. Thats how much it matters Arabid is basically a Mediterranid for Coon as well and he saw it stretching from Portugal to India more or less. If you would have read Coon, he actually said that dolicehpalic "Mediterranid" types are rare in Europe- there are only a few zones like Portugal, some parts of Britain and Sweden that were dolicephalic. Most Europeans fall into mesocephalic to sub-brachycephalic (arround 78 -83 cephalic index).

If the differences would be pin pointed in hair/pigmentation- every light haired South European Mediterranid would look Scandinavian Nordic. The realitiy the majority of Central European Nordic forms dont look Scandinavian etc. as well, despite being closer to them let alone light South European- outside maybe a few extremly rare exceptions.

Here is how Lawrence Angel (who is far superior to Coon in my opinion) defines Mediterranean and Nordic in his study of the ancient inhabitants of Attica:

Nordic-Iranians have long and high heads with peculiarly deep occiputs, smooth ovoid-ellipsoid contour, sharply-cut muscle impressions, strong browridges, and tilted and capacious foreheads. Marked facial height and narrowness of cheeks compared to wide forehead and jowls makes a rectangular, horse-faced impression. Large but slightly retreating cheekbones enclose drooping orbits, and big, salient, and aquiline noses, long-arched palates, muscular jaws wide at the angles, and cleft chins lacking prominence all add to the same effect. Nordic-Iranians were tall and muscular, strong-necked, and probably included tawny- haired blue- or green-eyed blonds as well as brunets. Approximate identity with Bajuvars, and noteworthy resemblances to North Iranian Bronze Age Proto-Nordics, to Anglo-Saxons, and to medieval Irish Monks show the divided eastern and north-western relations of this Greek type. And though Type D has a low variability, it includes four slightly different tendencies: a cylindrical-skulled, slab-faced Iron Age Nordic one, a high-skulled, ellipsoid, " Corded " tendency, a long byrsoid, deep-skulled, huge-nosed, convex-profiled Iranian trend, and a small-faced Iranian-Mediterranean divergence approaching Coon's Cappadocian and Danubian types.

Classic Mediterraneans are light-boned, almost fragile. They have small, barely dolichocrane heads, pentagonoid in outline in both vertical and occipital views, contracted neck muscle area, and low and almost vertical rounded foreheads. Their slender, fine-featured faces have square orbits, thin noses smooth and low in the nasion region, and a triangular taper down to pinched jaws with shallow and pointed chin, weak prognathism, and an overbite linked with subnormal degree of teeth wear. They were probably just below miedium stature, gracile, slender-necked, brtinet, with black or dark hair. They are virtually identical with ancient Libyans and with modern Sicilians, and similar to Upper Egyptians of prehistoric and Early Dynastic dates, and to modern Spanish. Type B is the most homogeneous one, with only slight tendencies in longer-headed, linear-faced and smaller, more squat-faced directions.

[Zeno]

Imagine Zeno with albino colors lol

Bro stop