Fusion of Gypsies and Hungarians. Caste system in Hungary. Dark pigmentation = masculine ?

[Blondie]

I think Orban is part Gypsy. Look at his young photos.

Those people you mention wouldn't speak perfect Hungarian because they are relatively recent immigrants.

It's true there is really many Jewish and Jewish mixed people in Budapest, but I generally know how Jewish people look and wouldn't confuse them for mixed Gypsies, I think.

Yes Orbán had gypsy looking at young age, but there is no proof that he has any gypsy ancestry. So it can be misleading.
I have talked about the kids of albanians, turks and others, they are fluent hungarian speakers of course, just like the jews.

Im going to pubs, clubs in every weekend, i know tons of people and i dont see this mixing. Gypsies have very bad reputation, i have never heard from my friends that "hey i would try a gypsy guy" and such things. They look down on them as hell, but blacks, east asians, turks can be very popular.

[Scarface F]

Yes Orbán had gypsy looking at young age, but there is no proof that he has any gypsy ancestry. So it can be misleading.
I have talked about the kids of albanians, turks and others, they are fluent hungarian speakers of course, just like the jews.

Im going to pubs, clubs in every weekend, i know tons of people and i dont see this mixing. Gypsies have very bad reputation, i have never heard from my friends that "hey i would try a gypsy guy" and such things. They look down on them as hell, but blacks, east asians, turks can be very popular.

Children of Albanians wouldn't look exotic at all. And since when are Albanians coming to Hungary?

All these undeclared people are mixed Gypsies or Jews. Probably Gypsies mainly, because Jews don't usually hide their identity.
Hungarian and Romanian nationalists who pretend Gypsies are 2-3 percent in their population are just coping.

[Scarface F]

According to Wiki on the census in 2011. almost 302.000 people in Budapest (17.5%) did not declare their ethnicity. It is huge number/percentage.

Stears called Budapest Judapest.

It's more likely bulk of these 17.5% are Gypsies than Jews.

[Lioncourt]

In Bulgaria Armenians and Jews (our Jews are Sepharadim) can resemble Gypsies sometimes to the untrained eye, but they are few even in cities. In rare cases Turks from Bulgaria can also be dark with foreign features which might cause some people to mistake them for Gypsies.

[Blondie]

Probably Gypsies mainly, because Jews don't usually hide their identity.

Are you serious? Hungary has the highest jewish genetic in the world after Israel:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/hungar...-company-says/
According to estimates there are 100000 jew only in Budapest and only a minority of them identify themselves as jew, because majority of them hide it. There is a joke that a census taker visits a jewish family and he ask:
-Whats your name?
-My name is Cohn.
-Okay so your religion must be jewish.
-Just write catholic.
-Why? You dont practice judaism?
-Yes i do, but seeing the history it was not a good idea to be jewish in the statistics.

Hungarian and Romanian nationalists who pretend Gypsies are 2-3 percent in their population are just coping.

I have never said that. Their real number is between 5-10% but hard to estimate.

[Tooting Carmen]

Those photos of young Orban posted by Scarface F look like an odd cross between Lou Bega and Konstantin Kisin!

[Tooting Carmen]

And in answer to the OP's points: even here in the UK, the proportion of Black, Arab and South Asian men who date or marry White women is considerably higher than the reverse. (On the other hand, White-East Asian couples are predominantly WMAF). Nevertheless, I don't think it'll reach such a stage where the White working-class will entirely disappear due to immigration and race-mixing. (Except maybe in London, where it is rare if not non-existent nowadays to see a White native British person doing any menial jobs).

[Scarface F]

Are you serious? Hungary has the highest jewish genetic in the world after Israel:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/hungar...-company-says/

I'm not sure it is true. Would bet it's either Poland and Belarus where was historical Pale of Settlement for Jewish people and I would say majority of ethnic Poles (and probably Belarussians) score trace amount of AJ ancestry.

Stears is basically fully Hungarian and he is 0.0% Jewish. But I want to add lot of ethnic Hungarians indeed have some Jewish DNA.

DNA tests are over-average purchased by eastern European Jewish diaspora in US. That is why in Hungarian DNA project on FTDNA you have so many J and E haplogroups because lots of Hungarian Jews get tested.

Btw, mixed Hungarian-Jewish people don't look really exotic, don't they?

According to estimates there are 100000 jew only in Budapest and only a minority of them identify themselves as jew, because majority of them hide it. There is a joke that a census taker visits a jewish family and he ask:
-Whats your name?
-My name is Cohn.
-Okay so your religion must be jewish.
-Just write catholic.
-Why? You dont practice judaism?
-Yes i do, but seeing the history it was not a good idea to be jewish in the statistics.

Hungary is very pro-Jewish politically these days, why would anyone hide? Hungary is one of rare European countries that voted against recognition of Palestine in UN recently.

Do you deny integrated or mixed Gypsies avoid declaring as Gypsies?

I have never said that. Their real number is between 5-10% but hard to estimate.

In Međimurje county that was part of Hungary for almost 1000 years percentage of Roma is officialy few percent, and in reality estimated slightly over 10% with continious increase. Međimurje mirrors same demographic trends as Hungary it borders I'm quite sure.

[Valenman]

A quite interesting Tread must be admitted, although I think the op exaggerates things a little. Regarding the fact that many gypsies look Clear, I don't think it is due to recent mixtures but from centuries ago and in the case of Hungary also from countless attempts of assimilation of gypsies, Jews, Romanians and Germans etc...
In Spain also the vast majority of Gypsies live apart from the rest, although unlike Hungary or Romania they almost always live in urban or semi-urban areas, very rarely in small towns.
The percentage of mixed marriages between native Spaniards and gypsies has also risen a lot since the 80s or so and now the probable level of inbreeding among gypsies is no more than 70% when at the beginning of the 20th century it was 95-98%. It is also almost always usually people from lower or very low classes and to a lesser extent lower middle classes mix. Also, their number has increased considerably since the middle of the 20th century, although now their birth rate has decreased, but it is still much higher than that of ethnic Spaniards. Although it is more common to see a
gypsy man and a non-gypsy woman, the other way around also happens often
30% of gypsy children in Spain study in segregated classes or schools (which happened in my high school when I studied, for example, until 2017, I think)
And a question I wanted to ask about Bulgaria, how is it common that Bulgarian gypsies do not admit their ethnicity, because a good part of the Bulgarians who live in Spain are very dark and have very non-European features, not always Indian, sometimes more pseudo Latin or Middle Eastern. But from the videos and photos I saw from Bulgaria, most of them look European. Normal, some more meds, some less, but very few look so dark and non-European, even in Turkish-Bulgarians.

[Varda]

Here are some several recent photos of the kids from my former elementary school. Only on the third on fourth photo there is 1 Gypsy.





We have 3 elementary schools here. In the closer to this one there is also very few Gypsy kids, and in third their number is higher because that school is the closest to Gypsy settlement. Btw their settlement have vibe of Latin American favela.

Two photos from the third school here wich have higher number of Gypsy kids. On the first there is 4 Gypsy out of 11 kids (Gypsy kids here are mostly exactly like that, exotic looking - very dark). Second one is obviously lack of them.