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aklifal
06-06-2020, 08:03 PM
I am not saying that the Sarmatian Mongoloidity is a Turkic marker. Of course, the Sarmatians were Turkic peoples. I just say that some Scythians and Sarmatians possibly looked very eastern. I saw the article by a Russian anthropologist about some Sarmatian burial in European part of Russia. There were individuals having even 30–50–90% of craniological Mongoloidity.

yeah, i was referencing to that picture with red haired scythians. it's not a realistic view on how they looked like.

Dušan
06-06-2020, 08:15 PM
Moldovan Scythian sample is 100% Thracian/Dacian by autosomal genetics.

Chelubey
06-06-2020, 08:23 PM
Moldovan Scythian sample is 100% Thracian/Dacian by autosomal genetics.
There were very few Scythians without eastern autosomes. I gave here a link to the anthropology of the Hungarian Scythians - even among them there were individuals having light craniological Mongoloidity. They could be 99% autosomally West Eurasian.

aklifal
06-06-2020, 10:47 PM
Moldovan Scythian sample is 100% Thracian/Dacian by autosomal genetics.

https://img.medscape.com/thumbnail_library/dt_170111_cherry_picking_800x600.jpg

Unknown European
06-08-2020, 12:53 AM
Depends on the individual Scythian. The Scythians in Europe were definitely genetically very eastern European while those in Asia have significant east-Eurasian mongoloid admixture in them, especially the ones in Siberia. The Scythians were a diverse Iranic people, and being one has nothing to do with genetics or race whatsoever.

True, the original Scythian's were probably genetically similar to Bashkirs. But many Europeans joined the Scythians and adopted their culture and customs

Distance to: Scythian_Zevakino_Chilikta_IA
0.04804137 Bashkir
0.05933492 Uzbek
0.06077576 Tatar_Siberian
0.07615525 Nogai
0.07973288 Hazara_Afghanistan
0.08347611 Uygur
0.08489468 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
0.08967604 Hazara
0.09028372 Turkmen
0.09975721 Karakalpak
0.10044938 Tatar_Lipka
0.11004255 Tatar_Siberian_Zabolotniye
0.11731312 Udmurt
0.11760126 Yukagir_Forest
0.11960519 Besermyan
0.12308535 Tubalar
0.12733403 Tlingit
0.13109686 Tatar_Kazan
0.13293791 Kazakh
0.13755764 Chuvash
0.14003288 Tajik
0.14038972 Shor_Mountain
0.14044541 Saami
0.14359557 Mari
0.14418358 Shor_Khakassia

Distance to: Scythian_UKR
0.05091140 Moldovan_o
0.05300307 Mordovian
0.05860726 Hungarian
0.06063002 Russian_Kostroma
0.06076594 Moldovan
0.06233055 Czech
0.06234189 Cossack_Kuban
0.06253883 Russian_Kursk
0.06257895 Afrikaner
0.06269720 Croatian
0.06271694 Slovakian
0.06317859 Austrian
0.06375268 Russian_Orel
0.06483619 Russian_Tver
0.06491503 Cossack_Ukrainian
0.06497328 Tatar_Mishar
0.06497389 Slovenian
0.06503691 Ukrainian
0.06600894 Bosnian
0.06634084 German_East
0.06680267 Turkish_Balkans
0.06763264 Polish
0.06809864 Dutch
0.06818625 German
0.06841029 Russian_Voronez

Distance to: Scythian_RUS_Urals
0.05322550 Bashkir
0.07747167 Tatar_Siberian
0.08538744 Uzbek
0.08980191 Tatar_Lipka
0.09374974 Udmurt
0.09481453 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
0.09623955 Besermyan
0.09750068 Turkmen
0.10427644 Nogai
0.11096474 Hazara_Afghanistan
0.11207200 Tatar_Kazan
0.11604377 Uygur
0.11643041 Tatar_Siberian_Zabolotniye
0.11950659 Saami
0.11983252 Chuvash
0.12113803 Hazara
0.12121036 Yukagir_Forest
0.12717731 Tlingit
0.12796770 Karakalpak
0.13131838 Mari
0.13407500 Tajik
0.13888627 Komi
0.14215618 Tubalar
0.14239881 Tatar_Mishar
0.15174032 Tajik_Shugnan

Distance to: Scythian_MDA_o
0.03630696 Norwegian
0.03694049 Swedish
0.04014302 Icelandic
0.04136581 Dutch
0.04332086 Welsh
0.04354726 Orcadian
0.04401974 German
0.04411646 Irish
0.04423974 Danish
0.04430946 Scottish
0.04432898 Shetlandic
0.04530640 English
0.04658197 French_Brittany
0.04738752 Afrikaner
0.04764978 Slovakian
0.04778060 Czech
0.04840317 English_Cornwall
0.04982058 German_East
0.05102214 Austrian
0.05229282 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.05464151 Belgian
0.05485488 Hungarian
0.05730841 French_Seine-Maritime
0.05777289 Polish
0.05793696 French_Nord

Distance to: Scythian_MDA
0.03201682 Greek_Thessaly
0.03253209 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.03254756 Swiss_Italian
0.03277406 Albanian
0.03496377 Gagauz
0.03544836 Italian_Piedmont
0.03669623 Italian_Tuscany
0.03769288 Bulgarian
0.03863600 Italian_Umbria
0.03891862 Turkish_Balkans
0.03959110 Italian_Marche
0.04035029 Greek_Peloponnese
0.04062652 Italian_Veneto
0.04102057 Italian_Northeast
0.04223547 Italian_Liguria
0.04251840 Romanian
0.04325477 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.04340304 Italian_Lombardy
0.04340825 Italian_Molise
0.04442798 Italian_Bergamo
0.04468163 Greek_Izmir
0.04520465 Macedonian
0.04585962 Italian_Abruzzo
0.04675261 Italian_Lazio
0.04769947 French_Provence

Distance to: Scythian_HUN
0.02589369 Austrian
0.02932214 French_Alsace
0.02958097 Montenegrin
0.03042547 Croatian
0.03150500 Slovenian
0.03248661 Hungarian
0.03256459 French_Nord
0.03292965 Serbian
0.03294116 Bosnian
0.03315187 Swiss_German
0.03372230 Romanian
0.03451878 Italian_Northeast
0.03454481 French_Auvergne
0.03530939 Moldovan
0.03625566 German
0.03638710 French_Occitanie
0.03758119 Belgian
0.03764073 Swiss_French
0.03796212 French_Paris
0.03797299 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.03924610 French_Provence
0.04030839 Macedonian
0.04036315 French_Seine-Maritime
0.04183058 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.04246652 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige

Distance to: Scythian_Aldy_Bel_IA
0.04341559 Bashkir
0.04764879 Tatar_Siberian
0.07581902 Tatar_Siberian_Zabolotniye
0.08711644 Nogai
0.09365923 Uzbek
0.10087071 Yukagir_Forest
0.10372093 Hazara_Afghanistan
0.10404151 Tubalar
0.10465838 Karakalpak
0.10562499 Uygur
0.10894272 Hazara
0.11454233 Udmurt
0.11508527 Tlingit
0.11764975 Shor_Mountain
0.11925547 Mansi
0.12035822 Tatar_Lipka
0.12193453 Shor_Khakassia
0.12210334 Besermyan
0.12227243 Shor
0.12330818 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
0.12828973 Khanty
0.12851388 Turkmen
0.13081854 Mari
0.13123792 Kazakh
0.13283472 Saami

Daos777
06-08-2020, 02:32 AM
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Seem pretty European to me. Only the far eastern Scythians have significant Asiatic/mongoloid mixture.

KanasKrum
07-22-2020, 09:20 PM
The Scythians and Sarmatians are Slavic-speaking groups. The Eastern Scythians are quite mixed with Altai groups such as Turks, Mongols, Xianbei, Xiongnu and Rourans. That is why some eastern Scythians have Mongoloid impurities.
As the ancestor of the Scythians, Herodotus says that according to the Scythians themselves, they were the heirs of Targitai, who lived on the west bank of the Dnieper. Even the term Scythian itself is Indo-European and comes from Proto-Slavic: skitati "wander, nomad". 101063

Ajeje Brazorf
04-27-2022, 05:59 PM
I divided the Scythian, Sarmatian, Cimmerian, and Saka samples into 25 clusters.

Averages


CLUSTER-A,0.039838,-0.406212,0.092772,-0.025194,-0.087401,-0.046296,0.019976,0.016153,0.004704,0.009841,-0.012666,0.00015,-0.01115,0.000138,-0.001764,-0.006099,-0.001043,-0.000127,-0.001885,0.007754,-0.01959,0.006183,-0.019227,-0.002289,-0.002155
CLUSTER-B,0.037562,-0.369653,0.061471,-0.019703,-0.038161,-0.031236,0.015746,0.021691,0.003272,0.005103,-0.039623,-3E-04,0.000743,-0.003716,-0.000679,0.004375,-0.007953,-0.004434,-0.002263,0.001751,-0.013476,0.004451,-0.010106,-0.003494,0.009939
CLUSTER-C,0.052359,-0.226463,0.048649,-0.015504,-0.044008,-0.013387,0.018096,0.027691,-0.000614,0.00328,-0.019487,0.008393,-0.003419,-0.00055,0.013708,-0.001458,-0.007562,0.010008,0.00993,0.023261,-0.009358,-0.006801,-0.021938,-0.003976,-0.004311
CLUSTER-D,0.079676,-0.118817,0.031678,0.012597,-0.031083,0.000279,0.011986,0.010153,-0.024338,-0.020228,-0.011854,-0.001798,0.007284,-0.008808,0.006243,0.00769,-0.014342,0.001014,0.005405,0.003627,-0.017469,-0.002349,-0.003574,-0.006025,0.002634
CLUSTER-E,0.0826532,-0.1113957,0.0570322,0.0460399,-0.0383265,0.0059641,0.0008315,0.0013314,-0.0125703,-0.0214198,-0.0121415,-0.0008069,0.0026646,-0.0228559,0.0148561,0.0087407,-0.0011634,-0.0019782,-0.0008122,0.0071957,-0.0195232,0.0030153,-0.0037828,0.003068,0.0002209
CLUSTER-F,0.0899203,-0.0627092,0.0379005,0.0399712,-0.0397765,0.0097615,0.0055228,-0.0021345,-0.0164128,-0.0184057,-0.0070638,0.001124,-0.0008177,-0.021538,0.0121132,0.0133255,0.0032598,-0.0009505,0.0064105,-0.0006255,-0.018124,-0.000742,0.0073642,0.0068985,0.0024548
CLUSTER-G,0.0915758,-0.0294504,0.0297581,0.0504467,-0.0424694,0.0126769,0.0009827,0.0012167,-0.0221816,-0.0307151,-0.0078095,-0.0004224,0.0022705,-0.0177534,0.0193834,0.0066897,-0.0076215,-0.0010482,0.0016914,0.0003296,-0.0139979,0.0003935,0.0006163,0.0001425,-0.0043545
CLUSTER-H,0.1008472,0.0067026,0.0155374,0.0466412,-0.0363758,0.0141118,0.004042,0.002723,-0.0321512,-0.0320372,-0.0077622,0.0002396,2E-07,-0.026451,0.0170194,0.0151418,0.0023468,-0.0015708,0.0014078,-0.002026,-0.0072874,-0.0017558,7.4E-05,0.0025304,0.0015088
CLUSTER-I,0.1115465,0.015233,0.051477,0.0705755,-0.027697,0.0206375,-0.004465,-0.001846,-0.030372,-0.0276085,-0.00747,0.0001495,-0.0032705,-0.0152075,0.018933,0.0102095,-0.0007825,0.005511,-0.002828,-0.001376,-0.007674,-0.000989,0.008935,0.0015065,0.0034125
CLUSTER-J,0.0987412,0.0540768,-0.0019798,0.0418285,-0.0400072,0.016315,0.004465,-0.002077,-0.0357915,-0.0319368,-0.0007307,-0.003185,0.0007435,-0.0137278,0.0259225,0.006298,-0.0146682,0.0012988,-0.0040222,-0.0063155,-0.0093898,-0.003926,-0.003944,-0.0004518,-0.0039517
CLUSTER-K,0.102441,0.036559,0.051666,0.065892,-0.033545,0.014502,-0.00376,-0.001846,-0.012067,-0.0277,-0.00406,-0.019333,0.014271,-0.004679,0.010858,0.006895,-0.004172,0.000507,0.008422,-0.018134,-0.007986,-0.012365,-0.014913,0.002892,-0.016645
CLUSTER-L,0.1097579,0.0507765,0.031592,0.0640186,-0.0262025,0.0253393,0.0013832,-0.0004153,-0.0270321,-0.0346561,-0.0023708,0.0002184,-0.0013209,-0.0221847,0.0198617,0.0142781,-0.0008903,0.0007131,-0.0016161,0.0010183,-0.0086953,0.0030631,0.0006691,0.005116,-0.0009682
CLUSTER-M,0.107563,0.058901,0.039975,0.068799,-0.013541,0.0308175,0.0034075,0.0104995,-0.023111,-0.0357185,-0.0085255,0.000225,0.0049805,-0.015689,0.0335225,0.0057675,-0.0320745,0.0095015,0.0014455,-0.0092545,-0.0141625,0.0046985,-0.004314,-0.001747,-0.0015565
CLUSTER-N,0.1161,0.066009,0.042992,0.097869,-0.028005,0.02259,-0.001175,-0.003692,-0.037428,-0.056311,0.003085,-0.005545,0.001933,-0.032754,0.023344,0.019093,0.007041,-0.009248,0,-0.00025,-0.006489,-0.004822,-0.001479,0.008796,-0.005868
CLUSTER-O,0.12862,0.105615,0.041106,0.08075,0.004924,0.023 427,0.016921,-0.006923,-0.015953,-0.05212,0.002923,-0.006444,0.0055,-0.020643,0.031623,0.017104,0.006519,0.005448,0.002 011,0.012881,-0.009982,0.000124,0.00037,0.017111,-0.010418
CLUSTER-P,0.108701,0.0634705,0.0379005,0.0599165,-0.0018465,0.014084,0.0019975,0.0095765,-0.015237,-0.0256045,0.005034,0.0003745,-0.0050545,-0.010872,0.017508,0.00948,0.004303,0.0125425,-0.011187,0.003439,-0.000936,-0.001669,0.003821,0.0158455,-0.005987
CLUSTER-Q,0.10927,0.081242,0.028661,0.050065,-0.00677,0.014781,0.013631,0.011769,-0.011658,-0.008018,-0.021598,-0.01109,0.015907,-0.009771,0.003664,0.004773,-0.005476,0.002534,-0.006913,0.007754,-0.018717,-0.009892,-0.008997,-0.004217,0.007784
CLUSTER-R,0.1069935,0.0685485,0.0294155,0.0321385,-0.006463,0.011574,0.00376,-0.0077305,-0.012783,-0.0204105,-0.0064955,0.003297,-0.0173935,-0.0044035,0.0055645,-0.004574,-0.008214,0.0043075,0.0006285,0.003752,-0.0101075,-0.0090885,0.0051765,0.001024,-0.0049695
CLUSTER-S,0.1195141,0.0950246,0.0334021,0.0267629,0.003648 9,0.0065339,0.0023836,-0.0006263,-0.0114243,-0.0043216,9.27E-05,0.0008134,-0.0037589,-0.0064289,0.0043239,0.0020076,-0.0009499,0.0012309,0.0069314,1.77E-05,-0.0075403,0.0006359,0.0017256,0.0001377,-0.0024464
CLUSTER-T,0.1161,0.116786,0.064111,0.057494,0.015387,0.010 319,-0.00329,0.001615,-0.011862,-0.027882,0.001624,0.001649,0.008474,0.004129,-0.002579,-0.002917,-0.019166,-0.007348,0.015712,-0.001501,0.006114,0.003586,0.006779,-0.000241,0.004311
CLUSTER-U,0.135449,0.120848,0.046386,0.065569,0.035699,0.0 1004,0.012221,0.024922,-0.005113,-0.024602,-0.004384,-0.005245,0.025124,0.007707,-0.017644,-0.002784,0.021513,0.004687,0.010559,0.015257,0.000 998,0.00507,0.013434,0.001205,-0.008742
CLUSTER-V,0.1267454,0.1323772,0.0441231,0.020292,0.032205, 0.0057418,0.0017141,0.0025791,0.0038498,0.0075468,-0.0002483,0.0047428,-0.0063924,-0.0015382,-0.0035368,-0.0009749,0.0011734,0.0012296,0.0049391,-0.0020892,-0.0041692,0.0003493,0.0011165,-0.0018855,-0.0020779
CLUSTER-W,0.1291892,0.137181,0.0672532,0.0461621,0.0434439 ,0.0154785,0.0034859,0.0073842,0.0065107,-0.0024298,-0.0011098,-0.0016485,0.0012017,0.0004588,-0.0004072,0.0110048,0.0090183,-0.0010769,0.0045986,0.0048772,0.0041906,0.0003813,-0.0003288,-0.0080131,-0.0001896
CLUSTER-X,0.129758,0.141159,0.09692,0.069122,0.069551,0.01 8965,0.010575,0.012923,0.031292,0.007472,-0.002923,-0.017085,0.021704,0.023121,-0.024837,0.006099,0.009648,-0.003421,0.000251,0.01138,0.012228,0.005688,-0.012571,-0.043259,0
CLUSTER-Y,0.1230914,0.1411584,0.0206337,-0.0205797,0.0223336,-0.0090041,0.0028537,-0.0025711,0.0035647,0.0297827,0.0009513,0.0048813,-0.0100879,-0.0018481,-0.0116139,-0.0030117,0.008419,0.002769,0.0073624,-0.0039481,-0.0096616,0.0066773,-0.0011621,0.0036666,-0.0020699

Individuals


Cluster-A:KAZ_Hun-Sarmatian:DA20,0.039838,-0.406212,0.092772,-0.025194,-0.087401,-0.046296,0.019976,0.016153,0.004704,0.009841,-0.012666,0.00015,-0.01115,0.000138,-0.001764,-0.006099,-0.001043,-0.000127,-0.001885,0.007754,-0.01959,0.006183,-0.019227,-0.002289,-0.002155
Cluster-B:KAZ_Hun-Sarmatian:DA27,0.037562,-0.369653,0.061471,-0.019703,-0.038161,-0.031236,0.015746,0.021691,0.003272,0.005103,-0.039623,-3e-04,0.000743,-0.003716,-0.000679,0.004375,-0.007953,-0.004434,-0.002263,0.001751,-0.013476,0.004451,-0.010106,-0.003494,0.009939
Cluster-C:RUS_Late_Xiongnu_Sarmatian:BRL002,0.052359,-0.226463,0.048649,-0.015504,-0.044008,-0.013387,0.018096,0.027691,-0.000614,0.00328,-0.019487,0.008393,-0.003419,-0.00055,0.013708,-0.001458,-0.007562,0.010008,0.00993,0.023261,-0.009358,-0.006801,-0.021938,-0.003976,-0.004311
Cluster-D:RUS_Late_Xiongnu_Sarmatian:UGU006,0.079676,-0.118817,0.031678,0.012597,-0.031083,0.000279,0.011986,0.010153,-0.024338,-0.020228,-0.011854,-0.001798,0.007284,-0.008808,0.006243,0.00769,-0.014342,0.001014,0.005405,0.003627,-0.017469,-0.002349,-0.003574,-0.006025,0.002634
Cluster-E:KAZ_Saka_TianShan_IA:CSP002,0.083091,-0.098506,0.059585,0.057494,-0.034776,0.008367,-0.003995,-0.000462,-0.010226,-0.009112,-0.009906,0.007643,-0.002527,-0.021194,0.021308,0.007027,0.005085,-0.010135,-0.001634,0.008754,-0.01672,-0.00779,0.001109,-0.005181,0.000359
Cluster-E:KAZ_Saka_TianShan_IA:CSP004,0.078538,-0.136081,0.062602,0.041344,-0.043085,0.013108,0.003995,-0.001385,-0.008385,-0.025878,0.003085,-0.001798,0.006095,-0.02835,0.016558,0.001193,-0.008866,0.005954,0.001257,-0.000375,-0.016471,0.000742,-0.007272,0.003615,-0.004191
Cluster-E:KAZ_Saka_TianShan_IA:CSP005,0.08992,-0.098506,0.054305,0.055233,-0.040623,0.008088,0,0.001385,-0.014521,-0.013303,-0.013965,0.007044,0.003271,-0.026561,0.017779,0.010607,-0.002868,-0.009375,-0.004651,0.013882,-0.013227,-0.008532,0.002835,-0.007109,0.001916
Cluster-E:MDA_Cimmerian:cim359,0.083091,-0.096475,0.061471,0.046189,-0.042777,0.005857,0.0047,0.001154,-0.010635,-0.020957,-0.018999,-0.008243,0.001338,-0.020781,0.017372,0.009016,-0.014342,0.004561,-0.003017,-0.003877,-0.020339,0.011871,-0.001109,-0.007712,-0.00479
Cluster-E:Saka_Kazakh_steppe:DA10,0.086506,-0.114755,0.043746,0.039083,-0.026466,0.00251,-0.00611,-0.003,-0.009204,-0.019135,-0.013153,0.004946,-0.005649,-0.031378,0.011672,0.021745,0.002477,-0.00228,-0.002388,0.007003,-0.026578,0.003215,-0.00456,0.003735,0.010418
Cluster-E:Saka_Kazakh_steppe:DA11,0.085367,-0.122879,0.052797,0.046512,-0.032621,0.006972,0.002585,0.005077,-0.010022,-0.021868,-0.019811,-0.000899,0.00223,-0.023533,0.017236,0.007027,0.002608,-0.004434,0.014078,0.009379,-0.015722,0.005441,0.001602,0.002048,0.000239
Cluster-E:Saka_Kazakh_steppe:DA13,0.084229,-0.110693,0.063356,0.047804,-0.040931,0.006136,-0.003525,-0.001615,-0.015953,-0.027153,-0.008119,-0.007493,0.002825,-0.02491,0.019001,0.017237,-0.000522,0.005321,-0.00176,0.009004,-0.018218,0.000247,-0.002465,0.001205,0.001317
Cluster-E:Saka_Kazakh_steppe:DA14,0.081953,-0.105615,0.058454,0.049742,-0.041238,0.006972,0.00282,0.007615,-0.00409,-0.028247,-0.015102,-0.008243,0.001635,-0.019267,0.006515,-0.007027,-0.003129,-0.007855,-0.011313,0.007504,-0.022585,0.005812,-0.006532,0.006989,0.006945
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Cluster-E:Saka_Tian_Shan:DA50,0.083091,-0.092413,0.042992,0.046512,-0.045239,0.008367,0.00282,-0.000231,-0.02577,-0.031345,-0.01088,0.004796,0.005352,-0.013762,0.008143,0.010872,0.005867,-0.009502,-0.004525,0.016008,-0.020464,0.004081,-0.006779,0.005181,-0.003712
Cluster-E:Sarmatian_KAZ_Aktobe_o:SBL001,0.083091,-0.131003,0.054305,0.044251,-0.035699,0.008367,0.008695,0.002077,-0.01493,-0.026242,-0.013478,0.002847,0.003419,-0.021194,0.015879,0.006232,-0.001434,0.013936,0.004651,0.014757,-0.019341,-0.001113,-0.003821,0.020364,-0.001078
Cluster-E:Scythian_RUS_Urals:MJ42,0.0774,-0.078196,0.057699,0.047158,-0.039084,0.007809,-0.004465,0.000231,-0.01718,-0.017677,-0.008282,-0.006444,-0.00773,-0.020919,0.012079,0.009149,-0.005085,-0.006334,0.006662,-0.003377,-0.01722,0.00915,-0.003944,0.009278,0.006706
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Cluster-F:Saka_Tian_Shan:CHK003,0.086506,-0.058901,0.029038,0.042313,-0.045547,0.008088,0.00658,0.002308,-0.026997,-0.017312,-0.009581,-0.00015,-0.002973,-0.021882,0.011129,0.017237,0.007171,0.004307,0.008 296,5e-04,-0.015722,0.006059,0.008751,0.011447,0.005269
Cluster-F:Saka_Tian_Shan:DA55,0.094473,-0.052808,0.048271,0.052326,-0.03139,0.013945,-0.001645,0.000231,-0.007976,-0.022233,-0.00747,0.006594,0.006392,-0.020093,0.019544,0.006895,0.005346,-0.007095,0.008045,-0.003252,-0.027202,0.002597,0.007272,0.011206,0.000838
Cluster-F:Saka_Tian_Shan:DA56,0.08992,-0.067025,0.047517,0.046189,-0.038161,0.015897,0.0047,-0.007846,-0.016975,-0.015672,-0.00682,-0.002098,-0.001784,-0.027112,0.010315,0.016441,0.001304,-0.002914,0.003142,0.004002,-0.016221,-0.000124,0.008504,-0.001807,0.001317
Cluster-G:KAZ_Saka_TianShan_IA:CSP003,0.09675,-0.015233,0.035449,0.050711,-0.033852,0.023148,0.00564,0.000231,-0.017385,-0.03098,-0.001299,-0.002847,0.00892,-0.019267,0.016558,0.007955,-0.018123,0.000253,0.004525,-0.000125,-0.016471,0.004204,-0.005176,-0.000723,-0.001197
Cluster-G:RUS_Late_Xiongnu_Sarmatian:BUR001,0.093335,-0.045699,0.032809,0.048773,-0.046778,0.009482,-0.00799,0.007384,-0.011249,-0.019681,-0.020948,0.01109,0.004757,-0.022983,0.020222,-0.002519,-0.013821,-0.017863,0.014581,0.007253,-0.01697,-0.002349,0.001232,-0.000602,-0.007664
Cluster-G:RUS_Late_Xiongnu_Sarmatian:NAI002,0.085367,-0.048745,0.029415,0.033592,-0.055703,0.005578,0.003525,-0.001615,-0.019839,-0.021139,0.004709,-3e-04,0.002676,-0.015964,0.015472,-0.002652,-0.013821,-0.001014,-0.004148,0.004377,-0.005116,0.005441,-0.002588,0.006145,-0.01449
Cluster-G:RUS_Late_Xiongnu_Sarmatian:UGU005,0.087644,-0.016248,0.033941,0.052972,-0.038161,0.011156,0.005875,0.003461,-0.026384,-0.035354,-0.006496,-0.002398,-0.000297,-0.019405,0.016558,0.009414,-0.009779,-0.001774,0.00352,0,-0.010357,0.006677,0.004437,0.000723,-0.001437
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Cluster-G:Saka_Tian_Shan:DA47,0.091058,-0.019295,0.026021,0.057171,-0.044008,0.019243,0.00141,-0.002308,-0.023316,-0.034625,-0.003573,0.000899,0.001635,-0.014863,0.011943,0.002254,-0.008214,-0.001774,-0.001634,-0.001376,-0.01672,-0.000371,0.006286,-0.002771,0.000599
Cluster-G:Saka_Tian_Shan:DA49,0.081953,-0.030466,0.029038,0.044251,-0.040931,0.016176,0.00423,0.003923,-0.02577,-0.037723,-0.013641,-0.004496,-0.010258,-0.020231,0.016829,0.001458,0.01356,-0.002787,0.009553,0.003377,-0.02246,0.000247,-0.001356,-0.007712,-0.008143
Cluster-G:Saka_Tian_Shan:DA57,0.097888,-0.027419,0.02753,0.049742,-0.043393,0.016733,-0.002115,0.001154,-0.029451,-0.031709,-0.008282,0.003897,-0.002527,-0.027249,0.020901,0.017502,-0.00013,0.006208,-0.000628,-0.002126,-0.020214,-0.006677,-0.000739,0.000241,-0.007664
Cluster-G:Saka_Tian_Shan:KEN001,0.094473,-0.022342,0.021496,0.048773,-0.0437,0.010598,0.00235,0.005307,-0.024134,-0.025878,-0.006008,0.001499,0.004906,-0.016377,0.02443,0.009414,-0.011083,-0.006334,-0.00817,0.002376,-0.004742,-0.000247,-0.002835,0.00253,0.001796
Cluster-G:Saka_Tian_Shan:KEN002,0.091058,-0.036559,0.027907,0.059755,-0.044931,-0.001952,-0.00846,0.004154,-0.026179,-0.035354,-0.003573,0.000599,-0.000595,-0.004817,0.026194,0.009944,-0.007693,0.003167,0.004651,-0.004502,-0.011854,0.001237,0.006655,-0.000361,0.003592
Cluster-G:Saka_Tian_Shan:KEN003,0.099026,-0.024373,0.028661,0.055556,-0.030159,0.017849,0.001645,-0.010153,-0.020043,-0.035172,-0.008931,-0.008842,0.01115,-0.016102,0.031759,0.004508,-0.014994,0.004687,-0.003394,0.002751,-0.016221,-0.003339,-0.002218,-0.003012,-0.002515
Cluster-H:MDA_Cimmerian:cim358,0.106994,0.002031,0.023759, 0.033592,-0.031698,0.00251,0.004465,0.006923,-0.028633,-0.030251,-0.009581,0.001798,0,-0.018029,0.021172,0.00769,0.009518,0.002914,0.0114 39,-0.014382,-0.012603,-0.005564,-0.003821,0.011568,0.006466
Cluster-H:RUS_Late_Xiongnu_Sarmatian:NAI001,0.08992,-0.007109,-0.000754,0.034238,-0.036314,0.013108,0.009635,-0.003923,-0.029656,-0.028429,-0.004709,0.001798,-0.004162,-0.028763,0.012079,0.020021,0.004172,-0.008488,-0.003897,-0.00025,-0.002496,-0.007666,0.005793,0.001566,0.005748
Cluster-H:Saka_Tian_Shan:ALN006,0.104717,0.028435,0.018479 ,0.06137,-0.038161,0.01757,0.00423,0.002308,-0.037428,-0.037723,-0.008282,0.00015,0.007433,-0.028763,0.019951,0.01432,0.000391,0.00038,-0.00176,0.003001,-0.003619,-0.003339,0.000493,-0.001205,-0.000838
Cluster-H:Saka_Tian_Shan:DA51,0.103579,0.007109,0.019987,0 .053618,-0.035391,0.025379,-0.00282,0.007615,-0.029656,-0.033896,-0.01088,0.003147,0.00892,-0.029038,0.016151,0.015778,-0.000522,-0.00114,0.001508,0.006128,-0.005241,0.004575,-0.000616,-0.002892,0.000359
Cluster-H:Saka_Tian_Shan:DA58,0.099026,0.003047,0.016216,0 .050388,-0.040315,0.011992,0.0047,0.000692,-0.035383,-0.029887,-0.005359,-0.005695,-0.01219,-0.027662,0.015744,0.0179,-0.001825,-0.00152,-0.000251,-0.004627,-0.012478,0.003215,-0.001479,0.003615,-0.004191
Cluster-I:Scythian_UKR:MJ15,0.10927,0.015233,0.041483,0.06 8153,-0.03139,0.019522,-0.003055,-0.010846,-0.029656,-0.031162,-0.006658,0.000599,-0.008771,-0.012937,0.014658,0.008486,0.000782,0.006968,-0.004399,0.000625,0.003619,0.001113,0.000739,-0.000602,-0.000599
Cluster-I:UKR_Cimmerian:MJ32,0.113823,0.015233,0.061471,0. 072998,-0.024004,0.021753,-0.005875,0.007154,-0.031088,-0.024055,-0.008282,-3e-04,0.00223,-0.017478,0.023208,0.011933,-0.002347,0.004054,-0.001257,-0.003377,-0.018967,-0.003091,0.017131,0.003615,0.007424
Cluster-J:RUS_Late_Xiongnu_Sarmatian:BUR002,0.100164,0.053 823,-0.000754,0.031654,-0.045547,0.015897,0.000235,0.001615,-0.031701,-0.024966,0.001137,-0.004946,0.003271,-0.018579,0.026194,0.005569,-0.012256,-0.00114,-0.002011,-0.004377,-0.01435,-0.002844,0.000246,-0.000241,0.002275
Cluster-J:RUS_Late_Xiongnu_Sarmatian:HUD001,0.095611,0.033 512,-0.004903,0.030362,-0.040007,0.011992,-0.000235,0.000923,-0.027406,-0.026789,-0.003248,-0.001349,-0.007284,-0.012386,0.022937,0.005038,-0.005346,0.004561,0.003897,-0.008254,-0.013351,-0.007296,-0.007148,-0.001084,-0.001317
Cluster-J:Saka_Tian_Shan_o:DA53,0.100164,0.07718,-0.013953,0.057171,-0.040623,0.01757,0.00893,-0.009461,-0.046631,-0.044101,0.003085,-0.006145,0.009663,-0.010184,0.026058,0.013922,-0.011865,0.000507,-0.012947,-0.008254,-0.004118,-0.004822,-0.013064,0.003253,-0.007784
Cluster-J:Sarmatian_KAZ:DA30,0.099026,0.051792,0.011691,0. 048127,-0.033852,0.019801,0.00893,-0.001385,-0.037428,-0.031891,-0.003897,-3e-04,-0.002676,-0.013762,0.028501,0.000663,-0.029206,0.001267,-0.005028,-0.004377,-0.00574,-0.000742,0.00419,-0.003735,-0.008981
Cluster-K:Sarmatian_RUS_Urals:MJ39,0.102441,0.036559,0.051 666,0.065892,-0.033545,0.014502,-0.00376,-0.001846,-0.012067,-0.0277,-0.00406,-0.019333,0.014271,-0.004679,0.010858,0.006895,-0.004172,0.000507,0.008422,-0.018134,-0.007986,-0.012365,-0.014913,0.002892,-0.016645
Cluster-L:RUS_Late_Xiongnu_Sarmatian:BUR003,0.110408,0.068 04,0.01697,0.059109,-0.028928,0.024263,0.00094,-0.007615,-0.02577,-0.031345,-0.003085,0.005545,0.001635,-0.021056,0.017915,0.024396,0.013299,0.002914,-0.004777,0.005127,-0.001872,0.006554,-0.001602,0.002651,0.002395
Cluster-L:RUS_Late_Xiongnu_Sarmatian:DUU001,0.103579,0.067 025,-0.013953,0.046189,-0.028313,0.023985,0.008225,-0.001846,-0.020452,-0.028064,0.00406,0.004796,-0.002973,-0.020643,0.015744,0.014585,-0.007041,0.010895,0.008296,-0.005253,-0.01123,0.006677,0.00037,-0.000964,-0.00467
Cluster-L:RUS_Late_Xiongnu_Sarmatian:TMI001,0.103579,0.070 072,0.014331,0.053618,-0.035391,0.025658,0,0.00923,-0.023316,-0.02606,0.01023,-0.001349,0.001338,-0.019818,0.017779,0.01896,0.01682,0.007981,0.00037 7,-0.002251,-0.005989,0.01286,-0.002465,0.006145,-0.001317
Cluster-L:RUS_Late_Xiongnu_Sarmatian:UGU010,0.095611,0.038 59,0.020365,0.063308,-0.026159,0.023985,0.008225,-0.002077,-0.021884,-0.021868,-0.009743,-0.003747,0.003865,-0.016102,0.024565,0.0179,-0.011995,0.006841,0.000251,-0.001251,0.005989,0.000495,-0.002465,0.012773,-0.006227
Cluster-L:Saka_Kazakh_steppe_o1:DA17,0.104717,0.051792,0.0 10559,0.060724,-0.041854,0.030957,0.011986,0.000231,-0.026588,-0.030433,0.003735,0.000599,0.000743,-0.031653,0.019679,0.01432,0.01369,0.004561,-0.005782,-0.001501,-0.010482,-0.00136,-0.002095,-0.005061,0.00455
Cluster-L:Saka_Kazakh_steppe_o2:DA19,0.103579,0.051792,0.0 22627,0.05814,-0.025235,0.017849,0.002585,0.005077,-0.027202,-0.041185,0.00406,-0.002248,0.000446,-0.016928,0.016151,0.019093,0.003912,0.005068,-0.006159,-0.000875,-0.013351,0.003957,-0.008751,-0.008796,-0.006706
Cluster-L:Sarmatian_KAZ:DA26,0.113823,0.061947,0.0445,0.07 752,-0.015387,0.023985,0.00376,-0.000231,-0.033542,-0.045559,-0.008931,-0.000599,0.003271,-0.029038,0.023615,0.020817,0.005085,0.002787,-0.002137,0.004627,-0.006239,0.005812,-0.002095,0.005543,-0.002874
Cluster-L:Sarmatian_KAZ_Aigyrly:AIG002,0.102441,0.051792,0 .048649,0.052326,-0.024312,0.038487,-0.008695,-0.002769,-0.029451,-0.026789,-0.008607,0.001199,0.000446,-0.021056,0.016965,0.015115,0.011865,0.021664,-0.000628,0.009379,-0.002371,0.01422,0.000246,0.003374,-0.010059
Cluster-L:Sarmatian_KAZ_Aigyrly:AIG003,0.111547,0.052808,0 .036581,0.065569,-0.029544,0.02259,0.003995,-0.004846,-0.022498,-0.031527,-0.004384,0.002698,-0.008474,-0.025735,0.020087,0.023336,-0.002217,0.003674,-0.001006,0,-0.009483,-0.002226,-0.003081,0.00723,-0.00455
Cluster-L:Sarmatian_KAZ_Aktobe:KBU001,0.100164,0.046714,0. 042992,0.072675,-0.022773,0.018407,0.011045,0.003461,-0.02986,-0.034443,0.006658,0.004946,-0.00223,-0.030139,0.015879,0.011933,-0.005476,0,-0.009804,-0.007629,-0.003244,0.008285,0.014543,0.005302,-0.008981
Cluster-L:Sarmatian_KAZ_Aktobe:KBU003,0.10927,0.040621,0.0 27907,0.076228,-0.02185,0.021196,-0.00658,-0.001846,-0.016975,-0.034807,0.005196,-0.008393,0.001487,-0.005505,0.025651,0.010209,-0.005476,-0.004307,-0.008422,-0.006128,-0.014724,0.00371,-0.000616,0.003133,-0.002754
Cluster-L:Sarmatian_KAZ_Bisoba:BSB001,0.121791,0.045699,0. 037335,0.073321,-0.016618,0.029005,0.003995,-0.001615,-0.021884,-0.0277,0.003897,0.002997,-0.005798,-0.02202,0.022937,0.008486,-0.00678,0.007475,0.011941,0.000625,-0.001123,-0.009027,-0.000246,0.007712,-0.000239
Cluster-L:Sarmatian_KAZ_Bisoba:BSB002,0.103579,0.057885,0. 041483,0.061047,-0.027697,0.029005,0,0.000692,-0.019225,-0.038999,-0.00065,0.002548,0.001041,-0.027662,0.018322,0.012331,0.004303,-0.00076,0.002891,0.003627,0.002995,-0.002226,-0.002218,0.008917,-0.004311
Cluster-L:Sarmatian_KAZ_Bisoba:BSB003,0.114961,0.033512,0. 035072,0.061047,-0.025851,0.022869,0.007285,0.003,-0.023725,-0.028247,0.00406,0.005545,-0.004608,-0.022708,0.015472,0.027181,0.007171,-0.004941,0.00993,0.006128,0.004243,0.009398,0.0059 16,0.00012,-0.003592
Cluster-L:Sarmatian_MDA:I11925,0.120652,0.061947,0.02753,0 .053618,-0.019696,0.023148,0.00047,0.002538,-0.02127,-0.028611,0.005521,0.004796,0.003122,-0.015414,0.020901,-0.010342,-0.021905,0.000887,-0.000628,-0.003001,-0.005241,0.003215,-0.001725,-0.003253,0.005508
Cluster-L:Sarmatian_RUS_Caspian_steppe:DA134,0.1161,0.0548 39,0.037335,0.057817,-0.033852,0.031236,0.00846,0.000231,-0.037223,-0.043554,0.001786,-0.005245,0.000149,-0.026974,0.02348,0.004508,-0.014473,-0.002154,-0.004777,-0.001126,-0.008859,0.01422,0.003697,0.008314,0.005029
Cluster-L:Sarmatian_RUS_Caspian_steppe:DA136,0.113823,0.03 9606,0.039221,0.061047,-0.028005,0.020638,-0.007755,0.002077,-0.023111,-0.033349,-0.005521,0.006145,-0.004906,-0.03358,0.021308,0.030496,-0.002738,0.003927,-0.007793,0.009379,-0.010232,0.019166,-0.008011,0.003133,0.003592
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Cluster-L:Sarmatian_RUS_Caspian_steppe:DA141,0.112685,0.03 9606,0.033564,0.073967,-0.031083,0.031236,0.00658,0.005538,-0.032928,-0.030616,-0.003085,-0.005245,-0.010406,-0.026974,0.018322,0.020021,0.000652,0.000507,-0.001383,-0.005878,-0.003369,0.000866,0.009367,0.014098,-0.000718
Cluster-L:Sarmatian_RUS_Caspian_steppe:DA143,0.112685,0.05 4839,0.039598,0.07429,-0.033852,0.030678,0.00094,0.007384,-0.021066,-0.039545,-0.002761,-0.000899,-0.006838,-0.021056,0.019815,0.008221,-0.011735,-0.004814,-0.011187,5e-04,-0.005116,0.000866,0.002711,-0.005302,-0.000239
Cluster-L:Sarmatian_RUS_Caspian_steppe:DA144,0.10927,0.043 668,0.032432,0.076874,-0.022158,0.030678,-0.00893,0.000231,-0.032724,-0.03991,-0.011367,-0.009591,0.010704,-0.02491,0.019679,0.004641,-0.001434,0.001014,0.00088,-0.000375,-0.023583,-0.001113,-0.001356,0.010122,0.011376
Cluster-L:Sarmatian_RUS_Caucasus:MJ38,0.108132,0.062963,0. 031301,0.074936,-0.035699,0.02008,0.00799,-0.002077,-0.030883,-0.040821,-0.006171,0.01094,0.003122,-0.027937,0.01045,0.010607,0.011865,0.003294,-0.003394,-0.001,-0.019341,-0.007296,0.010723,0.005904,0.003113
Cluster-L:Sarmatian_RUS_Pokrovka:I0574,0.110408,0.054839,0 .031678,0.0646,-0.018773,0.021753,0.005875,-0.002308,-0.032519,-0.043008,-0.005034,-0.002698,-0.000149,-0.033993,0.021715,0.016309,0.005867,-0.002407,-0.000377,0.002626,-0.005116,0.006306,0.004807,0.001205,-0.00012
Cluster-L:Sarmatian_RUS_Pokrovka:I0575,0.113823,0.053823,0 .032432,0.072352,-0.015695,0.03263,0.01034,0.003,-0.030474,-0.039545,-0.011367,0.001649,-0.00446,-0.023809,0.018594,0.022142,0.010431,-0.0019,0.004777,0.008754,-0.010232,-0.000371,0.00037,0.007109,-0.003233
Cluster-L:Sarmatian_RUS_Urals:chy001,0.105855,0.058901,0.0 3017,0.057494,-0.030159,0.03012,0,0.002077,-0.015135,-0.032802,0.001949,-0.003447,-0.000297,-0.019818,0.019272,0.002519,-0.015255,0.00228,0.005279,-0.005628,-0.007736,-0.000742,0.005669,0.002651,0.002036
Cluster-L:Sarmatian_RUS_Urals:chy002,0.108132,0.032497,0.0 30547,0.05491,-0.025235,0.019801,-0.001645,0.000462,-0.032928,-0.034443,-0.00682,-0.001948,-0.007582,-0.020643,0.021987,0.007823,0.003781,-0.00266,0.001257,0.006128,-0.009483,0.003833,-0.000616,0.013014,0.003353
Cluster-L:Sarmatian_RUS_Urals:MJ41,0.114961,0.046714,0.033 941,0.072352,-0.028005,0.023427,-0.00141,-0.007615,-0.025156,-0.042097,-0.002761,0.000599,-0.004311,-0.019267,0.030537,0.010209,-0.014473,0.007095,0.000503,0.004627,-0.010232,-0.005317,0.002711,0.001325,0.002036
Cluster-L:Sarmatian_RUS_Urals:MJ43,0.100164,0.035544,0.039 975,0.065246,-0.021235,0.0251,0.00141,-0.003461,-0.026179,-0.032256,-0.013316,-0.001049,0.000595,-0.021332,0.025787,0.022938,0.001956,0.000633,0.001 383,-0.003252,-0.011854,0.00643,-0.003574,0.013134,0.002395
Cluster-L:Sarmatian_RUS_Urals:MJ44,0.108132,0.046714,0.033 187,0.065569,-0.032621,0.029005,-0.003995,-0.000923,-0.025565,-0.031162,-0.002436,0.001499,-0.003717,-0.017891,0.021444,0.017502,-0.012126,-0.009882,-0.011313,0.009505,-0.012852,-0.00371,0.004683,0.012291,-0.001078
Cluster-L:Sarmatian_RUS_Urals:MJ56,0.119514,0.048745,0.035 826,0.059109,-0.025543,0.032072,-0.00705,-0.004384,-0.028633,-0.037723,0.004872,0.001798,-0.000446,-0.017616,0.020087,0.012596,-0.021774,-0.004434,-0.002388,-0.001751,-0.010357,0.001113,-0.007765,0.004579,0.00012
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Cluster-L:Sarmatian_Segizsay:SGZ001,0.113823,0.044683,0.03 1301,0.061047,-0.025235,0.021196,-0.00282,0.001846,-0.023929,-0.040274,-0.009256,0.004796,-0.002825,-0.031791,0.026601,0.018563,0.009779,-0.001267,-0.002388,-0.001,-0.012852,0.005193,-0.000246,0.022774,-0.003353
Cluster-L:Sarmatian_Segizsay:SGZ002,0.106994,0.044683,0.02 9793,0.069768,-0.035699,0.030399,-0.000235,0.004384,-0.02168,-0.038087,-0.007145,3e-04,-0.001635,-0.006468,0.020222,0.000398,-0.021513,0.002787,0,-0.004127,-0.015972,0.007914,0.004314,0,0.002395
Cluster-M:Sarmatian_KAZ_Aktobe:KSK002,0.108132,0.074134,0. 039598,0.066215,-0.010156,0.027889,0.0047,0.006692,-0.022702,-0.028429,-0.008607,0.004946,0.003271,-0.015827,0.033794,0.008751,-0.034552,0.012922,0.007039,-0.004627,-0.011355,0.007419,0.002588,-0.002048,0.000479
Cluster-M:Sarmatian_RUS_Urals:LS13,0.106994,0.043668,0.040 352,0.071383,-0.016926,0.033746,0.002115,0.014307,-0.02352,-0.043008,-0.008444,-0.004496,0.00669,-0.015551,0.033251,0.002784,-0.029597,0.006081,-0.004148,-0.013882,-0.01697,0.001978,-0.011216,-0.001446,-0.003592
Cluster-N:Sarmatian_MDA:I11926,0.1161,0.066009,0.042992,0. 097869,-0.028005,0.02259,-0.001175,-0.003692,-0.037428,-0.056311,0.003085,-0.005545,0.001933,-0.032754,0.023344,0.019093,0.007041,-0.009248,0,-0.00025,-0.006489,-0.004822,-0.001479,0.008796,-0.005868
Cluster-O:UKR_Cimmerian:MJ31,0.12862,0.105615,0.041106,0.0 8075,0.004924,0.023427,0.016921,-0.006923,-0.015953,-0.05212,0.002923,-0.006444,0.0055,-0.020643,0.031623,0.017104,0.006519,0.005448,0.002 011,0.012881,-0.009982,0.000124,0.00037,0.017111,-0.010418
Cluster-P:MDA_Cimmerian:cim357,0.110408,0.060932,0.043746, 0.0646,-0.005539,0.012271,0.00423,0.000231,-0.020657,-0.035172,0.006983,0.002847,-0.002973,-0.018579,0.026873,0.004243,-0.001825,0.013936,-0.01169,0.004502,-0.002246,0.006554,0.004314,0.027233,-0.006945
Cluster-P:Scythian_UKR:MJ16,0.106994,0.066009,0.032055,0.0 55233,0.001846,0.015897,-0.000235,0.018922,-0.009817,-0.016037,0.003085,-0.002098,-0.007136,-0.003165,0.008143,0.014717,0.010431,0.011149,-0.010684,0.002376,0.000374,-0.009892,0.003328,0.004458,-0.005029
Cluster-Q:Scythian_UKR:MJ35,0.10927,0.081242,0.028661,0.05 0065,-0.00677,0.014781,0.013631,0.011769,-0.011658,-0.008018,-0.021598,-0.01109,0.015907,-0.009771,0.003664,0.004773,-0.005476,0.002534,-0.006913,0.007754,-0.018717,-0.009892,-0.008997,-0.004217,0.007784
Cluster-R:Scythian_UKR:MJ46,0.10927,0.060932,0.027907,0.03 553,-0.001539,0.01506,-0.000705,-0.011769,-0.006136,-0.011481,-0.010068,0.000749,-0.024083,-0.01445,0.01045,-0.018032,-0.004824,0.001267,-0.004902,0.000125,-0.007487,-0.00507,-0.000739,0.00012,-0.008502
Cluster-R:Scythian_UKR:scy011,0.104717,0.076165,0.030924,0 .028747,-0.011387,0.008088,0.008225,-0.003692,-0.01943,-0.02934,-0.002923,0.005845,-0.010704,0.005643,0.000679,0.008884,-0.011604,0.007348,0.006159,0.007379,-0.012728,-0.013107,0.011092,0.001928,-0.001437
Cluster-S:HUN_Prescythian_IA:IR1,0.117238,0.084289,0.04186 ,0.027132,-0.001846,0.004183,0.005875,0.001385,-0.014317,-0.014214,-0.004222,-0.001499,0.002825,-0.008395,0.012486,-0.003713,-0.019949,0.001394,0.013701,-0.003627,-0.005116,0.003091,0.002835,0.002892,-0.000718
Cluster-S:HUN_Sarmatian_Late_Danube-Tisza:A181013,0.129758,0.103584,0.037335,0.036176, 0.001846,0.014223,0.005405,0.004615,-0.018203,-0.012392,0.002273,0.002847,-0.000446,-0.006881,-0.008007,-0.007823,0.019688,0.010642,0.005028,-0.003126,-0.015473,0.000989,0.001356,0.00735,-0.003712
Cluster-S:HUN_Sarmatian_Late_Danube-Tisza:A181015,0.119514,0.100537,0.031301,0.030362, 0.008309,0.008925,-0.00423,-0.001846,-0.007772,-0.000364,0.001624,0,-0.006838,-0.002752,0.002579,-0.009149,-0.009648,-0.001014,0.005405,-0.003502,-0.00836,-0.006677,0.00456,-0.005302,-0.010658
Cluster-S:HUN_Sarmatian_Late_Danube-Tisza:A181016,0.122929,0.101553,0.038843,0.034238, 0.005232,-0.000837,0.011045,-0.003,-0.00859,0.003462,0.001461,-3e-04,0.004608,-0.010046,0.008279,-0.004641,-0.015646,-0.009628,0.008422,0.003001,-0.001622,-0.005193,0.006162,-0.006025,-0.004311
Cluster-S:Scythian_MDA:scy301,0.112685,0.087336,0.030547,0 .01615,0.002154,0.004741,-0.001645,-0.002769,-0.017589,0.002187,-0.00682,-0.001948,-0.00773,-0.005918,0.003122,0.009281,0.008214,0.004181,0.008 799,0.009129,-0.010107,0.010758,0.006902,0.001446,0.001197
Cluster-S:Scythian_MDA:scy311,0.119514,0.094444,0.017348,0 .004522,0.009232,0.009203,-0.00141,-0.008769,-0.006545,0.006925,0.005034,0.006894,-0.013825,-0.006331,0.002579,0.02254,0.010822,0.004181,0.0060 34,-0.003377,-0.009858,-0.000124,-0.005053,0.011809,-0.003473
Cluster-S:Scythian_UKR:MJ34,0.114961,0.093429,0.036581,0.0 3876,0.000615,0.005299,0.001645,0.006,-0.006954,-0.015855,0.001299,-3e-04,-0.004906,-0.004679,0.009229,0.007558,-0.00013,-0.00114,0.001131,0.001626,-0.002246,0.001607,-0.004683,-0.011206,0.00455
Cluster-T:Scythian_UKR:MJ13,0.1161,0.116786,0.064111,0.057 494,0.015387,0.010319,-0.00329,0.001615,-0.011862,-0.027882,0.001624,0.001649,0.008474,0.004129,-0.002579,-0.002917,-0.019166,-0.007348,0.015712,-0.001501,0.006114,0.003586,0.006779,-0.000241,0.004311
Cluster-U:Scythian_UKR:MJ14,0.135449,0.120848,0.046386,0.0 65569,0.035699,0.01004,0.012221,0.024922,-0.005113,-0.024602,-0.004384,-0.005245,0.025124,0.007707,-0.017644,-0.002784,0.021513,0.004687,0.010559,0.015257,0.000 998,0.00507,0.013434,0.001205,-0.008742
Cluster-V:HUN_EIA_Prescythian_Mezocsat:I18211,0.12862,0.12 6941,0.044877,0.03553,0.032929,0.003904,-0.000705,0.002538,0.007363,0.012757,0.003897,-3e-04,-0.0055,-0.009221,0.004207,0.004508,-0.006389,0.003041,0.003645,0.003126,-0.00262,-0.003091,-0.003328,-0.006868,-0.005748
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Cluster-V:HUN_Sarmatian_Early_Transtisza:I20802,0.119514,0 .133034,0.038089,0.013889,0.016926,0,0.002115,-0.003923,-0.001023,0.005467,0.001137,0.007343,-0.004608,-0.005092,-0.005836,-0.003315,0.00678,0.00152,0.007416,-0.009505,-0.004243,0.003339,0.006039,0.001687,-0.006347
Cluster-V:HUN_Sarmatian_Late_Danube-Tisza:A181014,0.126344,0.12491,0.039598,0.026486,0 .025851,0.008925,0.00329,0.006461,-0.001227,0.000729,-0.007145,0.009292,-0.008622,-0.002615,0.000679,-0.011138,-0.008475,0.000887,0.004022,-0.000625,-0.001747,0.002226,-0.002218,0.000361,-0.002275
Cluster-V:HUN_Sarmatian_Late_Danube-Tisza:A181017,0.126344,0.110693,0.041483,0.038437, 0.022466,0.013387,0.001175,0.004615,-0.004295,-0.001458,-0.005359,0.005545,-0.007879,-0.011698,-0.002036,0.003182,0.00339,0.001394,-0.000628,0.003627,-0.005241,0.000124,0.001849,0.00964,-0.00455
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Cluster-V:HUN_Sarmatian_Late_Transtisza:A181021,0.135449,0 .146236,0.051666,0.01615,0.041238,0.007809,0.00047 ,0.004615,0.005113,0.00492,0.000162,0.003747,-0.006838,0.008945,-0.002986,-0.010607,-0.009127,0.002027,0.004525,0.001126,0.001497,0.003 71,0.007025,-0.001687,0.001676
Cluster-V:HUN_Sarmatian_Late_Transtisza:A181022,0.122929,0 .140143,0.036204,0.015181,0.029852,0.000279,0.0075 2,0.009923,-0.001432,0.00656,0.002111,0.010041,-0.012042,-0.000138,-0.006922,0,0.009388,-0.000507,0.002011,-0.005002,0.000749,0.003586,0.003204,-0.010122,-0.008023
Cluster-V:HUN_Sarmatian_Late_Transtisza:A181023,0.125205,0 .119832,0.048271,0.044251,0.025851,0.020359,0.0035 25,0.003461,-0.001432,-0.00164,-0.003085,-0.002398,-0.000892,-0.001651,0.012351,0.005038,-0.003651,-0.00266,0.004274,5e-04,0.000624,-0.000618,-0.001725,0.006025,-0.002275
Cluster-V:HUN_Sarmatian_Late_Transtisza:A181024,0.124067,0 .133034,0.038089,0.002907,0.026774,0,0.000235,0.00 3461,0.000409,0.012939,0.001624,0.006294,-0.005203,-0.001239,-0.014251,-0.004508,0.013038,-0.00152,0.006159,-0.007128,-0.002371,0.002968,-0.005176,0.002169,-0.001197
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Cluster-V:HUN_Sarmatian_Late_Transtisza:A181028,0.133173,0 .11577,0.049403,0.024548,0.032929,0.004183,0.00305 5,0.002077,0.004295,0.001458,-0.003735,0.002098,-0.007284,-0.009771,0.000814,0.012729,0.008866,0.000887,0.007 542,0.003627,-0.012353,-0.004575,-0.007888,0.004097,-0.006227
Cluster-V:Scythian_HUN:DA195,0.117238,0.138112,0.036958,0. 013566,0.03139,0.003904,-0.000235,-0.000692,0.008385,0.015855,-0.003248,-0.003297,-0.001189,0.000688,-0.016015,0.011535,0.011995,0.006968,0.007416,-0.000625,-0.011605,-0.007666,0.008381,-0.004579,-0.003952
Cluster-W:HUN_EIA_Prescythian_Mezocsat:I18245,0.133173,0.1 49283,0.05506,0.026486,0.044931,0.006972,0.011986, 0.009,0.01268,0.006743,0.001949,-0.000749,-0.003865,0.003165,-0.004207,0.006099,0.005607,0.002534,0.002137,-0.001126,0.002246,-0.004451,0.000986,-0.005181,-0.010897
Cluster-W:HUN_Sarmatian_Late_Danube-Tisza:A181018,0.135449,0.125926,0.069013,0.060401, 0.041854,0.021475,0.00705,0.013846,-0.000614,-0.01221,0.000162,0.003447,-0.005649,-0.002615,0.012486,0.017634,0.008214,0.0019,0.00967 9,0.007253,0.006114,0.002597,0.000123,0.013737,0.0 10298
Cluster-W:Scythian_HUN:DA191,0.122929,0.131003,0.083721,0. 038437,0.047701,0.013108,0.00987,0.016845,0.004909 ,-0.001276,-0.001949,-0.006744,0.008176,-0.001651,-0.004072,-0.000133,-0.01356,-0.002154,0.003017,0.001376,-0.003494,0.006306,-0.002835,-0.011327,-0.002754
Cluster-W:Scythian_HUN:DA194,0.130897,0.131003,0.07203,0.0 4199,0.050471,0.019522,0.000235,0.008307,0.012271, 0.006196,-0.000325,0.001798,0.004162,-0.009358,0.000543,0.019623,0.018515,0.00114,0.0012 57,0.003252,0.006863,-0.008408,0.001849,-0.014821,-0.00455
Cluster-W:Scythian_HUN:DA197,0.124067,0.145221,0.064488,0. 034884,0.037545,0.010598,-0.003995,0.011538,0.008795,0.00328,0.003735,-0.001199,-0.00223,0.010046,-0.00855,0.004508,0.011213,-0.006334,0.001885,0.000125,0.002371,0.000742,0.000 493,-0.008314,-0.006466
Cluster-W:Scythian_HUN:I20743,0.133173,0.137096,0.073161,0 .047481,0.044624,0.011156,0.004935,0.004384,0.0210 66,0.006925,0,0.000599,0.002825,0.002615,-0.004207,0.012198,0.00665,-0.007601,0,0.017258,0.006239,0.008285,0.001725,-0.025305,0.001317
Cluster-W:Scythian_HUN:I20745,0.130897,0.135065,0.075801,0 .070091,0.040623,0.017849,0.00282,-0.000923,0.001841,-0.016401,0,-0.007643,0.012785,0.006744,0.00095,0.007027,0.0142 12,-0.001014,0.011816,0.004752,0.001497,-0.00507,-0.000616,-0.008676,-0.001916
Cluster-W:Scythian_HUN:I20746,0.12862,0.13405,0.055814,0.0 2261,0.041854,0.01255,-0.00141,-0.003,0.013499,0.00893,-0.001949,0.003447,-0.001784,-0.001101,-0.007193,0.007558,0.019166,0.00038,0.004274,0.0088 79,0.005241,-0.000618,0.003204,0.000723,0.000838
Cluster-W:Scythian_HUN:I20766,0.141141,0.147252,0.07203,0. 046189,0.054164,0.013945,-0.001645,0.017999,-0.003477,-0.007836,-0.010068,-0.002248,0.011298,-0.003578,-0.00095,0.010077,-0.000782,0.009755,0.007416,0.00075,0.007612,0.0006 18,-0.002095,-0.014098,0.002395
Cluster-W:Scythian_MDA_o:scy303,0.129758,0.131003,0.065242 ,0.063308,0.037238,0.02008,0.00846,0.003461,0.0071 58,-0.007472,-0.000812,0.002398,-0.00773,-0.011147,0.015336,0.024529,0.014473,0.001267,-0.001508,0.006378,0.006988,0.001237,-0.001972,0.001084,0.008263
Cluster-W:Scythian_UKR:scy009,0.125205,0.144205,0.069013,0 .057494,0.044931,0.020917,0.010105,0.006923,0.0042 95,-0.010752,-0.003248,-0.005395,0.00773,0.012799,0.001221,0.008618,0.0041 72,-0.005701,-0.002891,0.003377,0.006738,-0.000495,0.00419,-0.021208,0.003113
Cluster-W:Scythian_UKR:scy010,0.114961,0.135065,0.051666,0 .044574,0.035391,0.01757,-0.00658,0.000231,-0.004295,-0.005285,-0.000812,-0.007493,-0.011298,-0.000413,-0.006243,0.01432,0.02034,-0.007095,0.018101,0.006253,0.001872,0.003833,-0.008997,-0.002771,-0.001916
Cluster-X:HUN_EIA_Prescythian_Mezocsat_o1:I18241,0.129758, 0.141159,0.09692,0.069122,0.069551,0.018965,0.0105 75,0.012923,0.031292,0.007472,-0.002923,-0.017085,0.021704,0.023121,-0.024837,0.006099,0.009648,-0.003421,0.000251,0.01138,0.012228,0.005688,-0.012571,-0.043259,0
Cluster-Y:HUN_Sarmatian_Late_Transtisza:A181027,0.120652,0 .146236,0.02225,-0.013889,0.031698,-0.010598,0.00282,0.003231,0.003886,0.025513,-0.001299,0.004346,-0.018583,-0.008808,-0.011808,0.009546,0.026598,-0.003294,-0.002891,-0.002626,-0.006114,0.002226,0.002835,0.007109,-0.010298
Cluster-Y:Scythian_HUN:DA198,0.124067,0.159438,0.025267,-0.028424,0.030467,-0.006693,-0.000235,-0.000692,0.014317,0.031345,0.000812,0.009142,-0.007136,0.00578,-0.011401,-0.017237,-0.001695,0.009882,0.001383,-0.009379,-0.012603,0.009645,-0.006286,0.006989,-0.009819
Cluster-Y:Scythian_MDA:scy192,0.124067,0.137096,0.015462,-0.020026,0.015695,-0.012829,0.00235,0.000692,0.001023,0.025878,0.0094 19,-0.000599,-0.006987,-0.008945,-0.013301,-0.009679,0.012908,0.004307,-0.000377,0.003502,-0.011729,0.009892,-0.004314,-0.004338,0.001796
Cluster-Y:Scythian_MDA:scy197,0.122929,0.140143,0.029415,-0.023902,0.023081,-0.012829,0.015511,-0.005307,0.00225,0.035172,-0.005846,-0.001349,-0.01115,0.000275,-0.010586,-0.0118,0.001434,-0.000127,0.013324,-0.010255,-0.004742,-0.000989,0.003328,-0.002771,-0.008981
Cluster-Y:Scythian_MDA:scy300,0.1161,0.140143,0.025644,-0.031331,0.016618,-0.005299,-0.001645,-0.007384,0.007772,0.033531,0.006983,0.006744,-0.00446,-0.000963,-0.0095,0.002254,-0.000782,0.004561,0.012318,-0.006503,-0.004118,0.012489,-0.00037,-0.000723,0.010298
Cluster-Y:Scythian_MDA:scy305,0.118376,0.126941,0.010936,-0.014212,0.017849,-0.006693,-0.001175,-0.001154,0.00225,0.022415,-0.003897,0.007343,-0.013974,0.008257,-0.010179,0.000663,-0.005476,0.004181,0.016341,-0.008254,-0.009234,0.005812,-0.007395,0.007471,0.002754
Cluster-Y:UKR_Cimmerian_o:MJ12,0.135449,0.138112,0.015462,-0.012274,0.020927,-0.008088,0.00235,-0.007384,-0.006545,0.034625,0.000487,0.008542,-0.008325,-0.008533,-0.014522,0.005171,0.025946,-0.000127,0.011439,0.005878,-0.019091,0.007666,0.004067,0.011929,-0.000239

Token
04-29-2022, 02:41 PM
The original Scythians were Nordics. That's what their crania, artistic representations and contemporary descriptions clearly show. They acquired some mongoloid admixture in the east, but even in China they were described with a Nordic appearance.

Ajeje Brazorf
04-29-2022, 04:08 PM
The original Scythians were Nordics. That's what their crania, artistic representations and contemporary descriptions clearly show. They acquired some mongoloid admixture in the east, but even in China they were described with a Nordic appearance.

Literally everyone was mixed and had additional Iran_N and East_Eurasian. I know however that "Nordicness" is about appearance and not autosomal DNA, so even the Canary Guanches were "Nordic" etc. The question (which we can't answer) is: what was the percentage of people with light hair and eyes in those cultures?

https://i.imgur.com/smVewzV.png

Token
04-29-2022, 04:31 PM
Literally everyone was mixed and had additional Iran_N and East_Eurasian. I know however that "Nordicness" is about appearance and not autosomal DNA, so even the Canary Guanches were "Nordic" etc. The question (which we can't answer) is: what was the percentage of people with light hair and eyes in those cultures?

https://i.imgur.com/smVewzV.png
This paper sequenced Scythians from Krasnoyarsk. Not even western Scythians (Krasnoyarsk is as eastern as Mongolia), but even there they came out mostly fair.

To help unravel some of the early Eurasian steppe migration movements, we determined the Y-chromosomal and mitochondrial haplotypes and haplogroups of 26 ancient human specimens from the Krasnoyarsk area dated from between the middle of the second millennium BC. to the fourth century AD. In order to go further in the search of the geographic origin and physical traits of these south Siberian specimens, we also typed phenotype-informative single nucleotide polymorphisms. Our autosomal, Y-chromosomal and mitochondrial DNA analyses reveal that whereas few specimens seem to be related matrilineally or patrilineally, nearly all subjects belong to haplogroup R1a1-M17 which is thought to mark the eastward migration of the early Indo-Europeans. Our results also confirm that at the Bronze and Iron Ages, south Siberia was a region of overwhelmingly predominant European settlement, suggesting an eastward migration of Kurgan people across the Russo-Kazakh steppe. Finally, our data indicate that at the Bronze and Iron Age timeframe, south Siberians were blue (or green)-eyed, fair-skinned and light-haired people and that they might have played a role in the early development of the Tarim Basin civilization. To the best of our knowledge, no equivalent molecular analysis has been undertaken so far.
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00439-009-0683-0

Also all of surviving hair material found in Scythian kurgans so far, in mummies or otherwise, were fair.

Ajeje Brazorf
04-29-2022, 07:28 PM
This paper sequenced Scythians from Krasnoyarsk. Not even western Scythians (Krasnoyarsk is as eastern as Mongolia), but even there they came out mostly fair.

To help unravel some of the early Eurasian steppe migration movements, we determined the Y-chromosomal and mitochondrial haplotypes and haplogroups of 26 ancient human specimens from the Krasnoyarsk area dated from between the middle of the second millennium BC. to the fourth century AD. In order to go further in the search of the geographic origin and physical traits of these south Siberian specimens, we also typed phenotype-informative single nucleotide polymorphisms. Our autosomal, Y-chromosomal and mitochondrial DNA analyses reveal that whereas few specimens seem to be related matrilineally or patrilineally, nearly all subjects belong to haplogroup R1a1-M17 which is thought to mark the eastward migration of the early Indo-Europeans. Our results also confirm that at the Bronze and Iron Ages, south Siberia was a region of overwhelmingly predominant European settlement, suggesting an eastward migration of Kurgan people across the Russo-Kazakh steppe. Finally, our data indicate that at the Bronze and Iron Age timeframe, south Siberians were blue (or green)-eyed, fair-skinned and light-haired people and that they might have played a role in the early development of the Tarim Basin civilization. To the best of our knowledge, no equivalent molecular analysis has been undertaken so far.
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00439-009-0683-0

Also all of surviving hair material found in Scythian kurgans so far, in mummies or otherwise, were fair.

I'm not disputing that there was a sizable percentage of people with blonde hair and blue eyes. I'm saying that in my opinion these were a minority and that the average person had brown eyes and brown hair, at best. Speaking of Tarim, there has been a recent study with a large amount of samples that indeed confirms the presence of blond hair, but it is far from being the majority.

Fig. S30. Phenotypic analysis of hair color for Xinjiang samples using HIrisPlex-S. Predicted hair color given as a probability of either black, brown, blonde, or red for samples having a minimum depth of 5x for each covered SNP. Samples grouped in boxes according to time period: black, BA (5000-3500 BP); gray, LBA (3500-3000 BP); orange, IA (3000-2000 BP); purple, HE (<2000 BP). Blank boxes denote a lack of available samples or lack of samples passing depth threshold for that time period. Samples for the Xiaohe site from Zhang et al. 2021 (16) are indicated with a gray circle above them and are predicted at a lower minimal depth of 3x for each covered SNP. Prediction accuracies as expressed by the area under the curve of a receiver operating characteristic curve (AUC) are given in Table S15.

https://i.imgur.com/STh4n9U.png

Fig. S29. Phenotypic analysis of eye color for Xinjiang samples using HIrisPlex-S. Predicted eye color given as a probability of either brown, blue, or intermediate for samples having a minimum depth of 5x for each covered SNP. Samples grouped in boxes according to time period: black, BA (5000-3000 BP); orange, IA (3000-2000 BP); purple, HE (<2000 BP). Blank boxes denote a lack of available samples or lack of samples passing depth threshold for that time period. Prediction accuracies as expressed by the area under the curve of a receiver operating characteristic curve (AUC) are given in Table S15.

https://i.imgur.com/Oe5kFM2.png

Token
04-29-2022, 07:42 PM
I'm not disputing that there was a sizable percentage of people with blonde hair and blue eyes. I'm saying that in my opinion these were a minority and that the average person had brown eyes and brown hair, at best. Speaking of Tarim, there has been a recent study with a large amount of samples that indeed confirms the presence of blond hair, but it is far from being the majority.
What does Tarim have to do with Scythians? I've just shown you that Scythians from Krasnoyarsk were mostly blond, plus all contemporaries described Scythians as fair, including Europeans. At the very least they were much lighter than the Greeks who described them, and given the accumulated genetic and skeletal evidence they were probably as light as northern/central Europeans.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSovStiv8eMQVfaMBT_LJd_SBn69VigB nNR6A&usqp=CAU

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSMAUylJJ7TYrCHmtw7CBuLM6DMc--SN95bzw&usqp=CAU

Ajeje Brazorf
04-29-2022, 08:14 PM
What does Tarim have to do with Scythians?

The sentence you quoted says that such South Siberian population has played a role in the early development of the Tarim Basin civilization.

Token
04-29-2022, 09:08 PM
The sentence you quoted says that such South Siberian population has played a role in the early development of the Tarim Basin civilization.

Tarim people being mostly dark-pigmented does not preclude that.

Ajeje Brazorf
04-29-2022, 09:17 PM
Since the thread is primarily about Scythians, I made macro-clusters with only the samples currently available on Global25 whose label contains the word "Scythian".

Averages


CLUSTER-A_(N=13),0.1269565,0.1343622,0.0638785,0.0464375,0 .0397706,0.013966,0.0024224,0.0070469,0.0044209,-0.00464,-0.0016489,-0.0022595,0.0043341,0.0013446,-0.0038002,0.0087815,0.0083647,-0.0010038,0.0059272,0.0050408,0.0028795,0.0005708, 0.0018108,-0.0083329,-0.0007738
CLUSTER-B_(N=5),0.1274818,0.143596,0.0500816,0.0178942,0.0 42777,0.0041274,0.0039012,0.0025386,0.0114126,0.01 41782,0.0027608,0.003417,-0.0051734,0.00011,-0.0040172,0.0001326,-0.0016688,0.0010642,0.0028658,-0.0011256,-0.0023708,0.001385,-0.0027116,-0.0100734,-0.0007424
CLUSTER-C_(N=8),0.1118311,0.0804808,0.0307354,0.0320174,-0.0009619,0.0096565,0.0031726,0.0013846,-0.0115558,-0.0107291,-0.0045266,-0.0004309,-0.0062065,-0.0058832,0.006294,0.005751,-0.0015645,0.0038642,0.0016656,0.0026731,-0.0082356,-0.0028286,0.0005856,0.0009038,-0.0007035
CLUSTER-D_(N=5),0.1211078,0.1407522,0.0213448,-0.023579,0.020742,-0.0088686,0.0029612,-0.002769,0.0055224,0.0296682,0.0014942,0.0042562,-0.0087414,0.0008808,-0.0109934,-0.0071598,0.0012778,0.0045608,0.0085978,-0.0061778,-0.0084852,0.0073698,-0.0030074,0.0013256,-0.0007904
CLUSTER-E_(N=1),0.129758,0.141159,0.09692,0.069122,0.06955 1,0.018965,0.010575,0.012923,0.031292,0.007472,-0.002923,-0.017085,0.021704,0.023121,-0.024837,0.006099,0.009648,-0.003421,0.000251,0.01138,0.012228,0.005688,-0.012571,-0.043259,0
CLUSTER-F_(N=1),0.10927,0.015233,0.041483,0.068153,-0.03139,0.019522,-0.003055,-0.010846,-0.029656,-0.031162,-0.006658,0.000599,-0.008771,-0.012937,0.014658,0.008486,0.000782,0.006968,-0.004399,0.000625,0.003619,0.001113,0.000739,-0.000602,-0.000599
CLUSTER-G_(N=1),0.0774,-0.078196,0.057699,0.047158,-0.039084,0.007809,-0.004465,0.000231,-0.01718,-0.017677,-0.008282,-0.006444,-0.00773,-0.020919,0.012079,0.009149,-0.005085,-0.006334,0.006662,-0.003377,-0.01722,0.00915,-0.003944,0.009278,0.006706

Distances


Distance to: CLUSTER-A_(N=13)
0.02352559 Slovakian
0.02432078 Czech
0.02578056 Hungarian
0.02703068 Austrian
0.02717312 German_East

Distance to: CLUSTER-B_(N=5)
0.02591164 French_Auvergne
0.02625162 French_Alsace
0.02754423 Swiss_German
0.02767410 French_Occitanie
0.02915877 Italian_Northeast

Distance to: CLUSTER-C_(N=8)
0.05199105 Turkish_Deliorman
0.05678023 Turkish_Rumeli
0.06841366 Moldovan
0.06967277 Tatar_Mishar
0.07140617 Roma_Barcelona

Distance to: CLUSTER-D_(N=5)
0.02134621 Greek_Thessaly
0.02298282 Italian_Piedmont
0.02311981 Italian_Tuscany
0.02426840 Italian_Marche
0.02480578 Albanian

Distance to: CLUSTER-E_(N=1)
0.07797610 Lithuanian_VA
0.07938375 Sorb_Niederlausitz
0.08015265 Russian_Pskov
0.08042445 Ukrainian_Rivne
0.08070808 Belarusian

Distance to: CLUSTER-F_(N=1)
0.06676544 Tatar_Kazan
0.07038976 Besermyan
0.07988518 Komi
0.08028174 Tatar_Mishar
0.08192173 Udmurt

Distance to: CLUSTER-G_(N=1)
0.05322550 Bashkir
0.07747167 Tatar_Siberian
0.08326110 Tatar_Crimean_steppe
0.08538744 Uzbek
0.08980191 Tatar_Lipka

Individuals


CLUSTER-A:Scythian_HUN:DA191,0.122929,0.131003,0.083721,0. 038437,0.047701,0.013108,0.00987,0.016845,0.004909 ,-0.001276,-0.001949,-0.006744,0.008176,-0.001651,-0.004072,-0.000133,-0.01356,-0.002154,0.003017,0.001376,-0.003494,0.006306,-0.002835,-0.011327,-0.002754
CLUSTER-A:Scythian_HUN:DA194,0.130897,0.131003,0.07203,0.0 4199,0.050471,0.019522,0.000235,0.008307,0.012271, 0.006196,-0.000325,0.001798,0.004162,-0.009358,0.000543,0.019623,0.018515,0.00114,0.0012 57,0.003252,0.006863,-0.008408,0.001849,-0.014821,-0.00455
CLUSTER-A:Scythian_HUN:DA195,0.117238,0.138112,0.036958,0. 013566,0.03139,0.003904,-0.000235,-0.000692,0.008385,0.015855,-0.003248,-0.003297,-0.001189,0.000688,-0.016015,0.011535,0.011995,0.006968,0.007416,-0.000625,-0.011605,-0.007666,0.008381,-0.004579,-0.003952
CLUSTER-A:Scythian_HUN:DA197,0.124067,0.145221,0.064488,0. 034884,0.037545,0.010598,-0.003995,0.011538,0.008795,0.00328,0.003735,-0.001199,-0.00223,0.010046,-0.00855,0.004508,0.011213,-0.006334,0.001885,0.000125,0.002371,0.000742,0.000 493,-0.008314,-0.006466
CLUSTER-A:Scythian_HUN:I20743,0.133173,0.137096,0.073161,0 .047481,0.044624,0.011156,0.004935,0.004384,0.0210 66,0.006925,0,0.000599,0.002825,0.002615,-0.004207,0.012198,0.00665,-0.007601,0,0.017258,0.006239,0.008285,0.001725,-0.025305,0.001317
CLUSTER-A:Scythian_HUN:I20745,0.130897,0.135065,0.075801,0 .070091,0.040623,0.017849,0.00282,-0.000923,0.001841,-0.016401,0,-0.007643,0.012785,0.006744,0.00095,0.007027,0.0142 12,-0.001014,0.011816,0.004752,0.001497,-0.00507,-0.000616,-0.008676,-0.001916
CLUSTER-A:Scythian_HUN:I20746,0.12862,0.13405,0.055814,0.0 2261,0.041854,0.01255,-0.00141,-0.003,0.013499,0.00893,-0.001949,0.003447,-0.001784,-0.001101,-0.007193,0.007558,0.019166,0.00038,0.004274,0.0088 79,0.005241,-0.000618,0.003204,0.000723,0.000838
CLUSTER-A:Scythian_HUN:I20766,0.141141,0.147252,0.07203,0. 046189,0.054164,0.013945,-0.001645,0.017999,-0.003477,-0.007836,-0.010068,-0.002248,0.011298,-0.003578,-0.00095,0.010077,-0.000782,0.009755,0.007416,0.00075,0.007612,0.0006 18,-0.002095,-0.014098,0.002395
CLUSTER-A:Scythian_MDA_o:scy303,0.129758,0.131003,0.065242 ,0.063308,0.037238,0.02008,0.00846,0.003461,0.0071 58,-0.007472,-0.000812,0.002398,-0.00773,-0.011147,0.015336,0.024529,0.014473,0.001267,-0.001508,0.006378,0.006988,0.001237,-0.001972,0.001084,0.008263
CLUSTER-A:Scythian_UKR:MJ13,0.1161,0.116786,0.064111,0.057 494,0.015387,0.010319,-0.00329,0.001615,-0.011862,-0.027882,0.001624,0.001649,0.008474,0.004129,-0.002579,-0.002917,-0.019166,-0.007348,0.015712,-0.001501,0.006114,0.003586,0.006779,-0.000241,0.004311
CLUSTER-A:Scythian_UKR:MJ14,0.135449,0.120848,0.046386,0.0 65569,0.035699,0.01004,0.012221,0.024922,-0.005113,-0.024602,-0.004384,-0.005245,0.025124,0.007707,-0.017644,-0.002784,0.021513,0.004687,0.010559,0.015257,0.000 998,0.00507,0.013434,0.001205,-0.008742
CLUSTER-A:Scythian_UKR:scy009,0.125205,0.144205,0.069013,0 .057494,0.044931,0.020917,0.010105,0.006923,0.0042 95,-0.010752,-0.003248,-0.005395,0.00773,0.012799,0.001221,0.008618,0.0041 72,-0.005701,-0.002891,0.003377,0.006738,-0.000495,0.00419,-0.021208,0.003113
CLUSTER-A:Scythian_UKR:scy010,0.114961,0.135065,0.051666,0 .044574,0.035391,0.01757,-0.00658,0.000231,-0.004295,-0.005285,-0.000812,-0.007493,-0.011298,-0.000413,-0.006243,0.01432,0.02034,-0.007095,0.018101,0.006253,0.001872,0.003833,-0.008997,-0.002771,-0.001916
CLUSTER-B:HUN_EIA_Prescythian_Mezocsat:I18211,0.12862,0.12 6941,0.044877,0.03553,0.032929,0.003904,-0.000705,0.002538,0.007363,0.012757,0.003897,-3e-04,-0.0055,-0.009221,0.004207,0.004508,-0.006389,0.003041,0.003645,0.003126,-0.00262,-0.003091,-0.003328,-0.006868,-0.005748
CLUSTER-B:HUN_EIA_Prescythian_Mezocsat:I18213,0.127482,0.1 49283,0.0445,0.01615,0.040931,0.004183,0.002585,-0.002538,0.01084,0.018041,-0.000974,0.008243,-0.004014,0.002202,-0.007193,-0.00769,-0.013951,0.005701,0.007165,-0.006753,-0.003868,0.000618,-0.008997,-0.014701,0.005748
CLUSTER-B:HUN_EIA_Prescythian_Mezocsat:I18239,0.12862,0.14 319,0.049026,-0.001938,0.047701,0,0.004465,0.000462,0.01309,0.01 8953,0.006171,0.007493,-0.007582,-0.00234,-0.007057,0.001989,0.007693,0.00114,-0.004274,-5e-04,0.001622,0.004328,-0.005793,-0.010001,0.003952
CLUSTER-B:HUN_EIA_Prescythian_Mezocsat:I18245,0.133173,0.1 49283,0.05506,0.026486,0.044931,0.006972,0.011986, 0.009,0.01268,0.006743,0.001949,-0.000749,-0.003865,0.003165,-0.004207,0.006099,0.005607,0.002534,0.002137,-0.001126,0.002246,-0.004451,0.000986,-0.005181,-0.010897
CLUSTER-B:HUN_EIA_Prescythian_Mezocsat:I18246,0.119514,0.1 49283,0.056945,0.013243,0.047393,0.005578,0.001175 ,0.003231,0.01309,0.014397,0.002761,0.002398,-0.004906,0.006744,-0.005836,-0.004243,-0.001304,-0.007095,0.005656,-0.000375,-0.009234,0.009521,0.003574,-0.013616,0.003233
CLUSTER-C:HUN_Prescythian_IA:IR1,0.117238,0.084289,0.04186 ,0.027132,-0.001846,0.004183,0.005875,0.001385,-0.014317,-0.014214,-0.004222,-0.001499,0.002825,-0.008395,0.012486,-0.003713,-0.019949,0.001394,0.013701,-0.003627,-0.005116,0.003091,0.002835,0.002892,-0.000718
CLUSTER-C:Scythian_MDA:scy301,0.112685,0.087336,0.030547,0 .01615,0.002154,0.004741,-0.001645,-0.002769,-0.017589,0.002187,-0.00682,-0.001948,-0.00773,-0.005918,0.003122,0.009281,0.008214,0.004181,0.008 799,0.009129,-0.010107,0.010758,0.006902,0.001446,0.001197
CLUSTER-C:Scythian_MDA:scy311,0.119514,0.094444,0.017348,0 .004522,0.009232,0.009203,-0.00141,-0.008769,-0.006545,0.006925,0.005034,0.006894,-0.013825,-0.006331,0.002579,0.02254,0.010822,0.004181,0.0060 34,-0.003377,-0.009858,-0.000124,-0.005053,0.011809,-0.003473
CLUSTER-C:Scythian_UKR:MJ16,0.106994,0.066009,0.032055,0.0 55233,0.001846,0.015897,-0.000235,0.018922,-0.009817,-0.016037,0.003085,-0.002098,-0.007136,-0.003165,0.008143,0.014717,0.010431,0.011149,-0.010684,0.002376,0.000374,-0.009892,0.003328,0.004458,-0.005029
CLUSTER-C:Scythian_UKR:MJ34,0.114961,0.093429,0.036581,0.0 3876,0.000615,0.005299,0.001645,0.006,-0.006954,-0.015855,0.001299,-3e-04,-0.004906,-0.004679,0.009229,0.007558,-0.00013,-0.00114,0.001131,0.001626,-0.002246,0.001607,-0.004683,-0.011206,0.00455
CLUSTER-C:Scythian_UKR:MJ35,0.10927,0.081242,0.028661,0.05 0065,-0.00677,0.014781,0.013631,0.011769,-0.011658,-0.008018,-0.021598,-0.01109,0.015907,-0.009771,0.003664,0.004773,-0.005476,0.002534,-0.006913,0.007754,-0.018717,-0.009892,-0.008997,-0.004217,0.007784
CLUSTER-C:Scythian_UKR:MJ46,0.10927,0.060932,0.027907,0.03 553,-0.001539,0.01506,-0.000705,-0.011769,-0.006136,-0.011481,-0.010068,0.000749,-0.024083,-0.01445,0.01045,-0.018032,-0.004824,0.001267,-0.004902,0.000125,-0.007487,-0.00507,-0.000739,0.00012,-0.008502
CLUSTER-C:Scythian_UKR:scy011,0.104717,0.076165,0.030924,0 .028747,-0.011387,0.008088,0.008225,-0.003692,-0.01943,-0.02934,-0.002923,0.005845,-0.010704,0.005643,0.000679,0.008884,-0.011604,0.007348,0.006159,0.007379,-0.012728,-0.013107,0.011092,0.001928,-0.001437
CLUSTER-D:Scythian_HUN:DA198,0.124067,0.159438,0.025267,-0.028424,0.030467,-0.006693,-0.000235,-0.000692,0.014317,0.031345,0.000812,0.009142,-0.007136,0.00578,-0.011401,-0.017237,-0.001695,0.009882,0.001383,-0.009379,-0.012603,0.009645,-0.006286,0.006989,-0.009819
CLUSTER-D:Scythian_MDA:scy192,0.124067,0.137096,0.015462,-0.020026,0.015695,-0.012829,0.00235,0.000692,0.001023,0.025878,0.0094 19,-0.000599,-0.006987,-0.008945,-0.013301,-0.009679,0.012908,0.004307,-0.000377,0.003502,-0.011729,0.009892,-0.004314,-0.004338,0.001796
CLUSTER-D:Scythian_MDA:scy197,0.122929,0.140143,0.029415,-0.023902,0.023081,-0.012829,0.015511,-0.005307,0.00225,0.035172,-0.005846,-0.001349,-0.01115,0.000275,-0.010586,-0.0118,0.001434,-0.000127,0.013324,-0.010255,-0.004742,-0.000989,0.003328,-0.002771,-0.008981
CLUSTER-D:Scythian_MDA:scy300,0.1161,0.140143,0.025644,-0.031331,0.016618,-0.005299,-0.001645,-0.007384,0.007772,0.033531,0.006983,0.006744,-0.00446,-0.000963,-0.0095,0.002254,-0.000782,0.004561,0.012318,-0.006503,-0.004118,0.012489,-0.00037,-0.000723,0.010298
CLUSTER-D:Scythian_MDA:scy305,0.118376,0.126941,0.010936,-0.014212,0.017849,-0.006693,-0.001175,-0.001154,0.00225,0.022415,-0.003897,0.007343,-0.013974,0.008257,-0.010179,0.000663,-0.005476,0.004181,0.016341,-0.008254,-0.009234,0.005812,-0.007395,0.007471,0.002754
CLUSTER-E:HUN_EIA_Prescythian_Mezocsat_o1:I18241,0.129758, 0.141159,0.09692,0.069122,0.069551,0.018965,0.0105 75,0.012923,0.031292,0.007472,-0.002923,-0.017085,0.021704,0.023121,-0.024837,0.006099,0.009648,-0.003421,0.000251,0.01138,0.012228,0.005688,-0.012571,-0.043259,0
CLUSTER-F:Scythian_UKR:MJ15,0.10927,0.015233,0.041483,0.06 8153,-0.03139,0.019522,-0.003055,-0.010846,-0.029656,-0.031162,-0.006658,0.000599,-0.008771,-0.012937,0.014658,0.008486,0.000782,0.006968,-0.004399,0.000625,0.003619,0.001113,0.000739,-0.000602,-0.000599
CLUSTER-G:Scythian_RUS_Urals:MJ42,0.0774,-0.078196,0.057699,0.047158,-0.039084,0.007809,-0.004465,0.000231,-0.01718,-0.017677,-0.008282,-0.006444,-0.00773,-0.020919,0.012079,0.009149,-0.005085,-0.006334,0.006662,-0.003377,-0.01722,0.00915,-0.003944,0.009278,0.006706

Ajeje Brazorf
04-29-2022, 09:49 PM
Tarim people being mostly dark-pigmented does not preclude that.

Tagar Scythian samples dated around 900 BC are the closest thing to Krasnoyarsk found on Global25 and on the Wikipedia page it says they had Europoid and light features.


Target: RUS_Tagar
Distance: 0.0406% / 0.04062201 | R2P
54.0 Saami
46.0 Tajik_Rushan

Target: RUS_Tagar
Distance: 0.0367% / 0.03672546 | R3P
46.2 Finnish_Central
31.6 Tajik_Rushan
22.2 Shor_Khakassia

Target: RUS_Tagar
Distance: 0.0343% / 0.03428785 | R4P
46.8 Finnish_Central
31.7 Tajik_Rushan
19.0 Shor_Khakassia
2.5 Karitiana

The idea that people like this were "Nordic" like central and northern Europeans seems bullshit to me, sorry if I speak French. These are traits that were romanticized both today and 2,000 years ago and most likely exaggerated. Everyone is free to believe what they like.

Lucas
04-29-2022, 10:26 PM
Since the thread is primarily about Scythians, I made macro-clusters with only the samples currently available on Global25 whose label contains the word "Scythian".

Averages


CLUSTER-A_(N=13),0.1269565,0.1343622,0.0638785,0.0464375,0 .0397706,0.013966,0.0024224,0.0070469,0.0044209,-0.00464,-0.0016489,-0.0022595,0.0043341,0.0013446,-0.0038002,0.0087815,0.0083647,-0.0010038,0.0059272,0.0050408,0.0028795,0.0005708, 0.0018108,-0.0083329,-0.0007738
CLUSTER-B_(N=5),0.1274818,0.143596,0.0500816,0.0178942,0.0 42777,0.0041274,0.0039012,0.0025386,0.0114126,0.01 41782,0.0027608,0.003417,-0.0051734,0.00011,-0.0040172,0.0001326,-0.0016688,0.0010642,0.0028658,-0.0011256,-0.0023708,0.001385,-0.0027116,-0.0100734,-0.0007424
CLUSTER-C_(N=8),0.1118311,0.0804808,0.0307354,0.0320174,-0.0009619,0.0096565,0.0031726,0.0013846,-0.0115558,-0.0107291,-0.0045266,-0.0004309,-0.0062065,-0.0058832,0.006294,0.005751,-0.0015645,0.0038642,0.0016656,0.0026731,-0.0082356,-0.0028286,0.0005856,0.0009038,-0.0007035
CLUSTER-D_(N=5),0.1211078,0.1407522,0.0213448,-0.023579,0.020742,-0.0088686,0.0029612,-0.002769,0.0055224,0.0296682,0.0014942,0.0042562,-0.0087414,0.0008808,-0.0109934,-0.0071598,0.0012778,0.0045608,0.0085978,-0.0061778,-0.0084852,0.0073698,-0.0030074,0.0013256,-0.0007904
CLUSTER-E_(N=1),0.129758,0.141159,0.09692,0.069122,0.06955 1,0.018965,0.010575,0.012923,0.031292,0.007472,-0.002923,-0.017085,0.021704,0.023121,-0.024837,0.006099,0.009648,-0.003421,0.000251,0.01138,0.012228,0.005688,-0.012571,-0.043259,0
CLUSTER-F_(N=1),0.10927,0.015233,0.041483,0.068153,-0.03139,0.019522,-0.003055,-0.010846,-0.029656,-0.031162,-0.006658,0.000599,-0.008771,-0.012937,0.014658,0.008486,0.000782,0.006968,-0.004399,0.000625,0.003619,0.001113,0.000739,-0.000602,-0.000599
CLUSTER-G_(N=1),0.0774,-0.078196,0.057699,0.047158,-0.039084,0.007809,-0.004465,0.000231,-0.01718,-0.017677,-0.008282,-0.006444,-0.00773,-0.020919,0.012079,0.009149,-0.005085,-0.006334,0.006662,-0.003377,-0.01722,0.00915,-0.003944,0.009278,0.006706



Interesting, thanks.

Me with whole modern averages sheet plus Scythian clusters. Surprisingly they dominated my results.

Target: Lukasz_scaled
Distance: 5.3407% / 0.05340712
64.2 CLUSTER-A_(N=13)
29.8 CLUSTER-E_(N=1)
3.0 CLUSTER-F_(N=1)
3.0 Lithuanian_PZ

Token
04-30-2022, 12:10 AM
Tagar Scythian samples dated around 900 BC are the closest thing to Krasnoyarsk found on Global25 and on the Wikipedia page it says they had Europoid and light features.


Target: RUS_Tagar
Distance: 0.0406% / 0.04062201 | R2P
54.0 Saami
46.0 Tajik_Rushan

Target: RUS_Tagar
Distance: 0.0367% / 0.03672546 | R3P
46.2 Finnish_Central
31.6 Tajik_Rushan
22.2 Shor_Khakassia

Target: RUS_Tagar
Distance: 0.0343% / 0.03428785 | R4P
46.8 Finnish_Central
31.7 Tajik_Rushan
19.0 Shor_Khakassia
2.5 Karitiana

The idea that people like this were "Nordic" like central and northern Europeans seems bullshit to me, sorry if I speak French. These are traits that were romanticized both today and 2,000 years ago and most likely exaggerated. Everyone is free to believe what they like.
They were most likely not exaggerated as actual analysis of pigmentation loci in Scythian genomes showed, everything else is wishful thinking at best.

Anachronistic G25 models with bad fits aren't proof of anything, not even Davidski, the creator of the tool, uses this shit. Here are models for Krasnoyarsk Scythians using a serious tool that, unlike Global25, requires at least half a brain in order to be able to use it:

https://populationgenomics.blog/2018/09/14/the-karasuk-culture-potentially-the-ancestors-of-iranian-and-later-scytho-sarmatian-nomads/
https://i.imgur.com/FrW7ULI.png
https://i.imgur.com/jdbYJ9V.png

So Siberian Scythians were ~80% steppe IE, which is more than northern Europeans.

Racially the Scythians weren't as Nordic as modern central and northern Europeans, they were more Nordic than both. No need to guess, we have their skulls:

There is, in the anthropometric literature, sufficient data to permit the reconstruction of the Scytho-Sarmatian cranial type or types. The most extensive group, and that which may be used as a basic series, is Donici's collection of seventy-seven Scythian crania from kurgans of Bessarabia, which was one of the favored Scythian pasture lands during the height of their domination.57(See Appendix I, cot 37.) The fifty-seven male crania of this series are not homogeneous, but fall into two types, a long-headed and a round-headed, with the former greatly in the majority.

The means of these Scythian skulls show them to be low mesocephals of moderate cranial dimensions, but with a low vault height. The cranial means are, in fact, almost identical with those of the Keltic series from France and the British Isles. They resemble the Aunjetitz and Hallstatt skulls only as much as the Keltic series mentioned resemble these latter. They are, furthermore, metrically identical with the previously studied skulls from the Minussinsk region of southern Siberia, which may have been contemporaneous with them.

One of the peculiarities of the Scythian skulls is a low mesene upper facial index, lower than that of the Kelts or of the Minussinsk people. Donici has shown, however, that this low upper facial index is mostly associated with the brachycephalic element in the group, and the same is true of many of the chamaeconch and mesorrhine skulls. When the brachycephalic element is eliminated, therefore, one finds these skulls to be narrower faced, and narrower nosed, and to fit more nearly into a central European Nordic category. Other series of Scythian crania from southern Russia and from the Caucasus show the same general characteristics as that of Donici's type series, but are in most cases purely dolichocephalic, which leads one to suppose that the brachycephalic element in the Rumanian skulls may have been at least partly of local origin.58

Other collections of Scythian crania vary in their mean cranial indices from 72 to 77. Those from the Kiev government, a Scythian center, have a mean of 7359A series of eighteen Sarmatian crania from the Volga, although otherwise the same as the others, has a cranial index of 80.3.60However, one hesitates to consider this typical of the Sarmatians as a whole, since both the Alans61and the early Ossetes62were long headed. The former preserved the original Scythian Nordic type until the ninth century A.D.

Of especial interest is a rich kurgan in the Royal Scythian burial district,63near Alexandropol; this was one of the most imposing kurgans of Russia, not only for its size but for the quantities of gold placed with the dead king, and of animals sacrificed for his convenience. The kurgan contained five skulls in the primary interment; one of these was a large male of Corded type.64Another is a brachycephal with a vault especially wide behind, with a broad face and a narrow nose, resembling a Turkish or perhaps a Bell Beaker type; two are narrow skulls of the normal Scythian Nordic variety, while the fifth, that which occupied the king's chamber, is of moderate size, long headed, with a low vault, sloping forehead, a high, prominent nose, and wide flaring zygomatic arches. The malars are large, and there is, in this respect, a slight mongoloid suggestion. One may not, however, on this evidence alone, identify the Royal Clan with Turks or Mongols.

We know very little of the stature of the Scythians. Nine male skeletons from the Polish Ukraine, associated with crania of standard Scythian type, have a mean of over 170 cm.65

It is tempting to find the origin of the Scythians in the previous population of the southern Russian plain. A series of Bronze Age crania from the lower Volga region is identical, at least in indices, with the later Scythian group, and so is that from the Ukrainian Urnfields. Three skulls of so-called "Cimmerians" likewise show no important deviation.

We have seen that the Scythians and Sarmatians, although they undoubtedly included in their ranks many individuals of different political affiliations, formed nevertheless a quite constant principal racial type, which was essentially Iranian and a form of Nordic. In its characteristic low vault, as in other dimensions, it specifically resembled the earlier eastern European and central Asiatic Nordic form. It was essentially a member of the racial cluster associated with the spread of Satem Indo-European speech in both eastern Europe and Asia.

Zoro
04-30-2022, 01:49 AM
Scythians were extremely diverse. Using IBS we see Scythians or Sarmatians sometimes from the same area in Central Asia sometimes genetically more similar to Eastern Europeans and Nordics and sometimes with Siberians or E.Asians. We can clearly see signs of recent admixture between European types and E. Asians. One of the signs is almost equally similar to both E. Asians and Europeans.

For example with E. Europeans or Nordics IBS shows Europeans topping the list followed by W. Asians then C. Asians then S. Asians then E. Asians. However with many Scythians we see Europeans on top followed by E. Asians or visa versa. This shows recent mixing between European and E. Asian types.

I randomly picked 4 better quality samples . IBS sorted from most to least similar

https://i.imgur.com/XR11iRj.jpg

oszkar07
04-30-2022, 02:09 AM
Target: Oszkar
Distance: 2.3104% / 0.02310430
34.6 CLUSTER-A:Scythian_HUN:DA191
22.0 CLUSTER-A:Scythian_UKR:MJ13
17.6CLUSTER-:HUN_EIA_Prescythian_Mezocsat:I18213
9.4CLUSTER-:HUN_EIA_Prescythian_Mezocsat:I18245
7.0 CLUSTER-D:Scythian_HUN:DA198
6.4CLUSTER-A:Scythian_MDA_o:scy303
3.0 CLUSTER-C:Scythian_UKR:MJ46


Target: Oszkar
Distance: 2.3104% / 0.02310403
62.6 CLUSTER-A
27.6 CLUSTER-B
6.8 CLUSTER-D
3.0 CLUSTER-C

NSXD60
04-30-2022, 02:40 AM
Tell you what, if you can get Putin to pause from his pulverizing Ukraine by holding his hand as you both enter the Hermitage museum to show him what Russians looked like before Genghis, by pointing at Scythian images, you'll have temporarily saved a number of lives and buildings from Genghis2short. Ah, the beauty of anthropological images being worth more than a thousand words!

Lucas
04-30-2022, 06:50 AM
Since the thread is primarily about Scythians, I made macro-clusters with only the samples currently available on Global25 whose label contains the word "Scythian".

Averages


CLUSTER-A_(N=13),0.1269565,0.1343622,0.0638785,0.0464375,0 .0397706,0.013966,0.0024224,0.0070469,0.0044209,-0.00464,-0.0016489,-0.0022595,0.0043341,0.0013446,-0.0038002,0.0087815,0.0083647,-0.0010038,0.0059272,0.0050408,0.0028795,0.0005708, 0.0018108,-0.0083329,-0.0007738
CLUSTER-B_(N=5),0.1274818,0.143596,0.0500816,0.0178942,0.0 42777,0.0041274,0.0039012,0.0025386,0.0114126,0.01 41782,0.0027608,0.003417,-0.0051734,0.00011,-0.0040172,0.0001326,-0.0016688,0.0010642,0.0028658,-0.0011256,-0.0023708,0.001385,-0.0027116,-0.0100734,-0.0007424
CLUSTER-C_(N=8),0.1118311,0.0804808,0.0307354,0.0320174,-0.0009619,0.0096565,0.0031726,0.0013846,-0.0115558,-0.0107291,-0.0045266,-0.0004309,-0.0062065,-0.0058832,0.006294,0.005751,-0.0015645,0.0038642,0.0016656,0.0026731,-0.0082356,-0.0028286,0.0005856,0.0009038,-0.0007035
CLUSTER-D_(N=5),0.1211078,0.1407522,0.0213448,-0.023579,0.020742,-0.0088686,0.0029612,-0.002769,0.0055224,0.0296682,0.0014942,0.0042562,-0.0087414,0.0008808,-0.0109934,-0.0071598,0.0012778,0.0045608,0.0085978,-0.0061778,-0.0084852,0.0073698,-0.0030074,0.0013256,-0.0007904
CLUSTER-E_(N=1),0.129758,0.141159,0.09692,0.069122,0.06955 1,0.018965,0.010575,0.012923,0.031292,0.007472,-0.002923,-0.017085,0.021704,0.023121,-0.024837,0.006099,0.009648,-0.003421,0.000251,0.01138,0.012228,0.005688,-0.012571,-0.043259,0
CLUSTER-F_(N=1),0.10927,0.015233,0.041483,0.068153,-0.03139,0.019522,-0.003055,-0.010846,-0.029656,-0.031162,-0.006658,0.000599,-0.008771,-0.012937,0.014658,0.008486,0.000782,0.006968,-0.004399,0.000625,0.003619,0.001113,0.000739,-0.000602,-0.000599
CLUSTER-G_(N=1),0.0774,-0.078196,0.057699,0.047158,-0.039084,0.007809,-0.004465,0.000231,-0.01718,-0.017677,-0.008282,-0.006444,-0.00773,-0.020919,0.012079,0.009149,-0.005085,-0.006334,0.006662,-0.003377,-0.01722,0.00915,-0.003944,0.009278,0.006706

Distances


Distance to: CLUSTER-A_(N=13)
0.02352559 Slovakian
0.02432078 Czech
0.02578056 Hungarian
0.02703068 Austrian
0.02717312 German_East

Distance to: CLUSTER-B_(N=5)
0.02591164 French_Auvergne
0.02625162 French_Alsace
0.02754423 Swiss_German
0.02767410 French_Occitanie
0.02915877 Italian_Northeast

Distance to: CLUSTER-C_(N=8)
0.05199105 Turkish_Deliorman
0.05678023 Turkish_Rumeli
0.06841366 Moldovan
0.06967277 Tatar_Mishar
0.07140617 Roma_Barcelona

Distance to: CLUSTER-D_(N=5)
0.02134621 Greek_Thessaly
0.02298282 Italian_Piedmont
0.02311981 Italian_Tuscany
0.02426840 Italian_Marche
0.02480578 Albanian

Distance to: CLUSTER-E_(N=1)
0.07797610 Lithuanian_VA
0.07938375 Sorb_Niederlausitz
0.08015265 Russian_Pskov
0.08042445 Ukrainian_Rivne
0.08070808 Belarusian

Distance to: CLUSTER-F_(N=1)
0.06676544 Tatar_Kazan
0.07038976 Besermyan
0.07988518 Komi
0.08028174 Tatar_Mishar
0.08192173 Udmurt

Distance to: CLUSTER-G_(N=1)
0.05322550 Bashkir
0.07747167 Tatar_Siberian
0.08326110 Tatar_Crimean_steppe
0.08538744 Uzbek
0.08980191 Tatar_Lipka

Individuals


CLUSTER-A:Scythian_HUN:DA191,0.122929,0.131003,0.083721,0. 038437,0.047701,0.013108,0.00987,0.016845,0.004909 ,-0.001276,-0.001949,-0.006744,0.008176,-0.001651,-0.004072,-0.000133,-0.01356,-0.002154,0.003017,0.001376,-0.003494,0.006306,-0.002835,-0.011327,-0.002754
CLUSTER-A:Scythian_HUN:DA194,0.130897,0.131003,0.07203,0.0 4199,0.050471,0.019522,0.000235,0.008307,0.012271, 0.006196,-0.000325,0.001798,0.004162,-0.009358,0.000543,0.019623,0.018515,0.00114,0.0012 57,0.003252,0.006863,-0.008408,0.001849,-0.014821,-0.00455
CLUSTER-A:Scythian_HUN:DA195,0.117238,0.138112,0.036958,0. 013566,0.03139,0.003904,-0.000235,-0.000692,0.008385,0.015855,-0.003248,-0.003297,-0.001189,0.000688,-0.016015,0.011535,0.011995,0.006968,0.007416,-0.000625,-0.011605,-0.007666,0.008381,-0.004579,-0.003952
CLUSTER-A:Scythian_HUN:DA197,0.124067,0.145221,0.064488,0. 034884,0.037545,0.010598,-0.003995,0.011538,0.008795,0.00328,0.003735,-0.001199,-0.00223,0.010046,-0.00855,0.004508,0.011213,-0.006334,0.001885,0.000125,0.002371,0.000742,0.000 493,-0.008314,-0.006466
CLUSTER-A:Scythian_HUN:I20743,0.133173,0.137096,0.073161,0 .047481,0.044624,0.011156,0.004935,0.004384,0.0210 66,0.006925,0,0.000599,0.002825,0.002615,-0.004207,0.012198,0.00665,-0.007601,0,0.017258,0.006239,0.008285,0.001725,-0.025305,0.001317
CLUSTER-A:Scythian_HUN:I20745,0.130897,0.135065,0.075801,0 .070091,0.040623,0.017849,0.00282,-0.000923,0.001841,-0.016401,0,-0.007643,0.012785,0.006744,0.00095,0.007027,0.0142 12,-0.001014,0.011816,0.004752,0.001497,-0.00507,-0.000616,-0.008676,-0.001916
CLUSTER-A:Scythian_HUN:I20746,0.12862,0.13405,0.055814,0.0 2261,0.041854,0.01255,-0.00141,-0.003,0.013499,0.00893,-0.001949,0.003447,-0.001784,-0.001101,-0.007193,0.007558,0.019166,0.00038,0.004274,0.0088 79,0.005241,-0.000618,0.003204,0.000723,0.000838
CLUSTER-A:Scythian_HUN:I20766,0.141141,0.147252,0.07203,0. 046189,0.054164,0.013945,-0.001645,0.017999,-0.003477,-0.007836,-0.010068,-0.002248,0.011298,-0.003578,-0.00095,0.010077,-0.000782,0.009755,0.007416,0.00075,0.007612,0.0006 18,-0.002095,-0.014098,0.002395
CLUSTER-A:Scythian_MDA_o:scy303,0.129758,0.131003,0.065242 ,0.063308,0.037238,0.02008,0.00846,0.003461,0.0071 58,-0.007472,-0.000812,0.002398,-0.00773,-0.011147,0.015336,0.024529,0.014473,0.001267,-0.001508,0.006378,0.006988,0.001237,-0.001972,0.001084,0.008263
CLUSTER-A:Scythian_UKR:MJ13,0.1161,0.116786,0.064111,0.057 494,0.015387,0.010319,-0.00329,0.001615,-0.011862,-0.027882,0.001624,0.001649,0.008474,0.004129,-0.002579,-0.002917,-0.019166,-0.007348,0.015712,-0.001501,0.006114,0.003586,0.006779,-0.000241,0.004311
CLUSTER-A:Scythian_UKR:MJ14,0.135449,0.120848,0.046386,0.0 65569,0.035699,0.01004,0.012221,0.024922,-0.005113,-0.024602,-0.004384,-0.005245,0.025124,0.007707,-0.017644,-0.002784,0.021513,0.004687,0.010559,0.015257,0.000 998,0.00507,0.013434,0.001205,-0.008742
CLUSTER-A:Scythian_UKR:scy009,0.125205,0.144205,0.069013,0 .057494,0.044931,0.020917,0.010105,0.006923,0.0042 95,-0.010752,-0.003248,-0.005395,0.00773,0.012799,0.001221,0.008618,0.0041 72,-0.005701,-0.002891,0.003377,0.006738,-0.000495,0.00419,-0.021208,0.003113
CLUSTER-A:Scythian_UKR:scy010,0.114961,0.135065,0.051666,0 .044574,0.035391,0.01757,-0.00658,0.000231,-0.004295,-0.005285,-0.000812,-0.007493,-0.011298,-0.000413,-0.006243,0.01432,0.02034,-0.007095,0.018101,0.006253,0.001872,0.003833,-0.008997,-0.002771,-0.001916
CLUSTER-B:HUN_EIA_Prescythian_Mezocsat:I18211,0.12862,0.12 6941,0.044877,0.03553,0.032929,0.003904,-0.000705,0.002538,0.007363,0.012757,0.003897,-3e-04,-0.0055,-0.009221,0.004207,0.004508,-0.006389,0.003041,0.003645,0.003126,-0.00262,-0.003091,-0.003328,-0.006868,-0.005748
CLUSTER-B:HUN_EIA_Prescythian_Mezocsat:I18213,0.127482,0.1 49283,0.0445,0.01615,0.040931,0.004183,0.002585,-0.002538,0.01084,0.018041,-0.000974,0.008243,-0.004014,0.002202,-0.007193,-0.00769,-0.013951,0.005701,0.007165,-0.006753,-0.003868,0.000618,-0.008997,-0.014701,0.005748
CLUSTER-B:HUN_EIA_Prescythian_Mezocsat:I18239,0.12862,0.14 319,0.049026,-0.001938,0.047701,0,0.004465,0.000462,0.01309,0.01 8953,0.006171,0.007493,-0.007582,-0.00234,-0.007057,0.001989,0.007693,0.00114,-0.004274,-5e-04,0.001622,0.004328,-0.005793,-0.010001,0.003952
CLUSTER-B:HUN_EIA_Prescythian_Mezocsat:I18245,0.133173,0.1 49283,0.05506,0.026486,0.044931,0.006972,0.011986, 0.009,0.01268,0.006743,0.001949,-0.000749,-0.003865,0.003165,-0.004207,0.006099,0.005607,0.002534,0.002137,-0.001126,0.002246,-0.004451,0.000986,-0.005181,-0.010897
CLUSTER-B:HUN_EIA_Prescythian_Mezocsat:I18246,0.119514,0.1 49283,0.056945,0.013243,0.047393,0.005578,0.001175 ,0.003231,0.01309,0.014397,0.002761,0.002398,-0.004906,0.006744,-0.005836,-0.004243,-0.001304,-0.007095,0.005656,-0.000375,-0.009234,0.009521,0.003574,-0.013616,0.003233
CLUSTER-C:HUN_Prescythian_IA:IR1,0.117238,0.084289,0.04186 ,0.027132,-0.001846,0.004183,0.005875,0.001385,-0.014317,-0.014214,-0.004222,-0.001499,0.002825,-0.008395,0.012486,-0.003713,-0.019949,0.001394,0.013701,-0.003627,-0.005116,0.003091,0.002835,0.002892,-0.000718
CLUSTER-C:Scythian_MDA:scy301,0.112685,0.087336,0.030547,0 .01615,0.002154,0.004741,-0.001645,-0.002769,-0.017589,0.002187,-0.00682,-0.001948,-0.00773,-0.005918,0.003122,0.009281,0.008214,0.004181,0.008 799,0.009129,-0.010107,0.010758,0.006902,0.001446,0.001197
CLUSTER-C:Scythian_MDA:scy311,0.119514,0.094444,0.017348,0 .004522,0.009232,0.009203,-0.00141,-0.008769,-0.006545,0.006925,0.005034,0.006894,-0.013825,-0.006331,0.002579,0.02254,0.010822,0.004181,0.0060 34,-0.003377,-0.009858,-0.000124,-0.005053,0.011809,-0.003473
CLUSTER-C:Scythian_UKR:MJ16,0.106994,0.066009,0.032055,0.0 55233,0.001846,0.015897,-0.000235,0.018922,-0.009817,-0.016037,0.003085,-0.002098,-0.007136,-0.003165,0.008143,0.014717,0.010431,0.011149,-0.010684,0.002376,0.000374,-0.009892,0.003328,0.004458,-0.005029
CLUSTER-C:Scythian_UKR:MJ34,0.114961,0.093429,0.036581,0.0 3876,0.000615,0.005299,0.001645,0.006,-0.006954,-0.015855,0.001299,-3e-04,-0.004906,-0.004679,0.009229,0.007558,-0.00013,-0.00114,0.001131,0.001626,-0.002246,0.001607,-0.004683,-0.011206,0.00455
CLUSTER-C:Scythian_UKR:MJ35,0.10927,0.081242,0.028661,0.05 0065,-0.00677,0.014781,0.013631,0.011769,-0.011658,-0.008018,-0.021598,-0.01109,0.015907,-0.009771,0.003664,0.004773,-0.005476,0.002534,-0.006913,0.007754,-0.018717,-0.009892,-0.008997,-0.004217,0.007784
CLUSTER-C:Scythian_UKR:MJ46,0.10927,0.060932,0.027907,0.03 553,-0.001539,0.01506,-0.000705,-0.011769,-0.006136,-0.011481,-0.010068,0.000749,-0.024083,-0.01445,0.01045,-0.018032,-0.004824,0.001267,-0.004902,0.000125,-0.007487,-0.00507,-0.000739,0.00012,-0.008502
CLUSTER-C:Scythian_UKR:scy011,0.104717,0.076165,0.030924,0 .028747,-0.011387,0.008088,0.008225,-0.003692,-0.01943,-0.02934,-0.002923,0.005845,-0.010704,0.005643,0.000679,0.008884,-0.011604,0.007348,0.006159,0.007379,-0.012728,-0.013107,0.011092,0.001928,-0.001437
CLUSTER-D:Scythian_HUN:DA198,0.124067,0.159438,0.025267,-0.028424,0.030467,-0.006693,-0.000235,-0.000692,0.014317,0.031345,0.000812,0.009142,-0.007136,0.00578,-0.011401,-0.017237,-0.001695,0.009882,0.001383,-0.009379,-0.012603,0.009645,-0.006286,0.006989,-0.009819
CLUSTER-D:Scythian_MDA:scy192,0.124067,0.137096,0.015462,-0.020026,0.015695,-0.012829,0.00235,0.000692,0.001023,0.025878,0.0094 19,-0.000599,-0.006987,-0.008945,-0.013301,-0.009679,0.012908,0.004307,-0.000377,0.003502,-0.011729,0.009892,-0.004314,-0.004338,0.001796
CLUSTER-D:Scythian_MDA:scy197,0.122929,0.140143,0.029415,-0.023902,0.023081,-0.012829,0.015511,-0.005307,0.00225,0.035172,-0.005846,-0.001349,-0.01115,0.000275,-0.010586,-0.0118,0.001434,-0.000127,0.013324,-0.010255,-0.004742,-0.000989,0.003328,-0.002771,-0.008981
CLUSTER-D:Scythian_MDA:scy300,0.1161,0.140143,0.025644,-0.031331,0.016618,-0.005299,-0.001645,-0.007384,0.007772,0.033531,0.006983,0.006744,-0.00446,-0.000963,-0.0095,0.002254,-0.000782,0.004561,0.012318,-0.006503,-0.004118,0.012489,-0.00037,-0.000723,0.010298
CLUSTER-D:Scythian_MDA:scy305,0.118376,0.126941,0.010936,-0.014212,0.017849,-0.006693,-0.001175,-0.001154,0.00225,0.022415,-0.003897,0.007343,-0.013974,0.008257,-0.010179,0.000663,-0.005476,0.004181,0.016341,-0.008254,-0.009234,0.005812,-0.007395,0.007471,0.002754
CLUSTER-E:HUN_EIA_Prescythian_Mezocsat_o1:I18241,0.129758, 0.141159,0.09692,0.069122,0.069551,0.018965,0.0105 75,0.012923,0.031292,0.007472,-0.002923,-0.017085,0.021704,0.023121,-0.024837,0.006099,0.009648,-0.003421,0.000251,0.01138,0.012228,0.005688,-0.012571,-0.043259,0
CLUSTER-F:Scythian_UKR:MJ15,0.10927,0.015233,0.041483,0.06 8153,-0.03139,0.019522,-0.003055,-0.010846,-0.029656,-0.031162,-0.006658,0.000599,-0.008771,-0.012937,0.014658,0.008486,0.000782,0.006968,-0.004399,0.000625,0.003619,0.001113,0.000739,-0.000602,-0.000599
CLUSTER-G:Scythian_RUS_Urals:MJ42,0.0774,-0.078196,0.057699,0.047158,-0.039084,0.007809,-0.004465,0.000231,-0.01718,-0.017677,-0.008282,-0.006444,-0.00773,-0.020919,0.012079,0.009149,-0.005085,-0.006334,0.006662,-0.003377,-0.01722,0.00915,-0.003944,0.009278,0.006706


Sorry after inspecting cluster A it is too heterogenous.

I could easily pick five different clusters here:



Cluster A1 (Ukrainian Slavic)

Distance: 4.0784% / 0.04078396
Target: CLUSTER-A:Scythian_UKR:MJ14 | ADC: 1x
75.0 Ukrainian_Kropyvnytskyi
12.5 Cossack_Kuban
12.5 Russian_Belgorod

Distance: 4.2250% / 0.04224984
Target: CLUSTER-A:Scythian_UKR:MJ13 | ADC: 1x
43.8 Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk
31.3 Ukrainian_Crimea
12.5 Croat_Kajkavian
12.5 Finnish_Southwest

Cluster A2 (Central European)

Distance: 3.0920% / 0.03091992
Target: CLUSTER-A:Scythian_UKR:scy009 | ADC: 1x
56.3 German_East
43.8 Polish

Distance: 3.7334% / 0.03733365
Target: CLUSTER-A:Scythian_HUN:DA191 | ADC: 1x
87.5 German_East
12.5 Italian_Trentino_Alto_Adige_Trentino_o

Distance: 3.5338% / 0.03533849
Target: CLUSTER-A:Scythian_UKR:scy010 | ADC: 1x
50.0 Hungarian_Northeast
18.8 Italian_Friuli_Venezia_Giulia_o
18.8 Swedish_North
12.5 Croat_Dalmatia

Distance: 3.4408% / 0.03440756
Target: CLUSTER-A:Scythian_HUN:DA194 | ADC: 1x
25.0 Croat_Dalmatia
25.0 Italian_Trentino_Alto_Adige_Trentino_o
25.0 Swedish_North
18.8 French_Pas-de-Calais
6.3 Slovak

Distance: 2.4107% / 0.02410735
Target: CLUSTER-A:Scythian_HUN:I20745 | ADC: 1x
37.5 Sorb_Niederlausitz
37.5 Swedish_North
18.8 Polish
6.3 Ukrainian_Rivne

Distance: 3.9239% / 0.03923926
Target: CLUSTER-A:Scythian_HUN:I20766 | ADC: 1x
100.0 German_East


Cluster A3 (Dacian?)

Distance: 2.7288% / 0.02728804
Target: CLUSTER-A:Scythian_HUN:DA195 | ADC: 1x
75.0 Romanian
18.8 Montenegrin
6.3 Italian_Tuscany_Lunigiana_(Emilian)

Cluster A4 (mainly Celtic)

Distance: 2.3808% / 0.02380795
Target: CLUSTER-A:Scythian_HUN:I20746 | ADC: 1x
56.3 French_Lorraine
43.8 Croat_Dalmatia

Distance: 4.4877% / 0.04487745
Target: CLUSTER-A:Scythian_HUN:I20743 | ADC: 1x
75.0 Italian_Trentino_Alto_Adige_Trentino_o
25.0 German_East

Distance: 2.6732% / 0.02673162
Target: CLUSTER-A:Scythian_HUN:DA197 | ADC: 1x
100.0 Italian_Trentino_Alto_Adige_Trentino_o

Cluster A5 (Bastarnian)

Distance to: CLUSTER-A:Scythian_MDA_o:scy303
0.00290134 Swedish_North
0.00323153 Norwegian
0.00343869 Swedish
0.00346564 UK_Ulster
0.00353865 Norwegian_Bergen
0.00363183 Norwegian
0.00364074 German_North-West
0.00365514 Danish
0.00369757 Swedish
0.00386711 Dutch_Central

Distance: 2.2429% / 0.02242927
Target: CLUSTER-A:Scythian_MDA_o:scy303 | ADC: 1x
68.8 Swedish_North
31.3 UK_Ulster

Mejgusu
04-30-2022, 07:13 AM
Scythians who spread IE language were close to Europeans(although not exactly same like modern), nowadays Kazakhstan(where the people are genetically Turkic+Mongolian) were nearly fully West Eurasian and close to Northern/Eastern Europeans. Scythians with huge East Eurasian admixture probably never were IE since you can see the gradient of steppe admixture among IE-speaking people in Asia, which shows the migration route of them at the same time.

Ajeje Brazorf
04-30-2022, 09:03 AM
Sorry after inspecting cluster A it is too heterogenous.

Well, I called them "macro-clusters" for a reason. There's really a lot of diversity when these samples of nomadic populations are analyzed.

However if you go back a few pages you'll find more specific clueters, there are about 25 of them.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?218659-Why-are-Scythians-still-being-associated-with-modern-Europeans&p=7491347#post7491347

rothaer
04-30-2022, 10:07 AM
Interesting, thanks.

Me with whole modern averages sheet plus Scythian clusters. Surprisingly they dominated my results.

Target: Lukasz_scaled
Distance: 5.3407% / 0.05340712
64.2 CLUSTER-A_(N=13)
29.8 CLUSTER-E_(N=1)
3.0 CLUSTER-F_(N=1)
3.0 Lithuanian_PZ

Target: rothaer_scaled
Distance: 2.3045% / 0.02304474
98.4 CLUSTER-A_(N=13)
1.6 CLUSTER-F_(N=1)

cakmir7y
04-30-2022, 11:49 AM
Target: Mirek_scaled
Distance: 1.7437% / 0.01743739
91.6 CLUSTER-A
8.4 CLUSTER-C



Distance to: Mirek_scaled
0.03590471 CLUSTER-A:Scythian_HUN:I20745
0.03656349 CLUSTER-A:Scythian_UKR:scy009
0.03766371 CLUSTER-A:Scythian_HUN:DA197
0.03791390 CLUSTER-A:Scythian_HUN:DA194
0.04069615 CLUSTER-A:Scythian_HUN:I20766
0.04186964 CLUSTER-A:Scythian_HUN:I20746
0.04229834 CLUSTER-A:Scythian_HUN:DA191
0.04365105 CLUSTER-A:Scythian_HUN:I20743
0.04460726 CLUSTER-A:Scythian_MDA_o:scy303
0.04496228 CLUSTER-B:HUN_EIA_Prescythian_Mezocsat:I18245
0.04804292 CLUSTER-A:Scythian_UKR:scy010
0.04906396 CLUSTER-B:HUN_EIA_Prescythian_Mezocsat:I18211
0.05954154 CLUSTER-A:Scythian_UKR:MJ14
0.05954756 CLUSTER-B:HUN_EIA_Prescythian_Mezocsat:I18246
0.06063463 CLUSTER-A:Scythian_UKR:MJ13
0.06322084 CLUSTER-A:Scythian_HUN:DA195
0.06704292 CLUSTER-B:HUN_EIA_Prescythian_Mezocsat:I18213
0.07038434 CLUSTER-B:HUN_EIA_Prescythian_Mezocsat:I18239
0.07347360 CLUSTER-C:Scythian_UKR:MJ34
0.08545395 CLUSTER-E:HUN_EIA_Prescythian_Mezocsat_o1:I18241
0.08641729 CLUSTER-C:HUN_Prescythian_IA:IR1
0.08820514 CLUSTER-C:Scythian_MDA:scy301
0.09392065 CLUSTER-C:Scythian_UKR:MJ35
0.09466181 CLUSTER-C:Scythian_MDA:scy311
0.09650451 CLUSTER-C:Scythian_UKR:MJ16

Token
04-30-2022, 10:58 PM
In Histories, the 5th-century Greek historian Herodotus describes the Budini of Scythia as red-haired and grey-eyed. In the 5th century BC, Greek physician Hippocrates argued that the Scythians have purron (ruddy) skin. In the 3rd century BC, the Greek poet Callimachus described the Arismapes (Arimaspi) of Scythia as fair-haired. The 2nd century BC Han Chinese envoy Zhang Qian described the Sai (Saka) as having yellow (probably meaning hazel or green), and blue eyes. In Natural History, the 1st century AD Roman author Pliny the Elder characterises the Seres, sometimes identified as Iranians or Tocharians, as red-haired and blue-eyed. In the late 2nd century AD, the Christian theologian Clement of Alexandria says that the Scythians were fair-haired. The 2nd century Greek philosopher Polemon includes the Scythians among the northern peoples characterised by red hair and blue-grey eyes. In the late 2nd or early 3rd century AD, the Greek physician Galen declares that Sarmatians, Scythians and other northern peoples have reddish hair. The fourth-century Roman historian Ammianus Marcellinus wrote that the Alans, a people closely related to the Scythians, were tall, blond and light-eyed. The 4th century bishop of Nyssa Gregory of Nyssa wrote that the Scythians were fair skinned and blond haired.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythians

The Scythians themselves, under the influence of powerful Greek colonies on the north shore of the Black Sea, and particularly in the Crimea, produced a dis tinctive style of realistic art in gold repousée. These representations include a number of portraits of Scythians in very realistic and life-like poses. They show a well-defined type of heavily bearded, long-haired men with prominent, often convex, noses. The browridges are moderately heavy, the eyes deep set. These faces are strikingly reminiscent of types common among northwest Europeans today, in strong contrast to those shown in the art of the Sumerians, Babylonians, and Hittites, which are definitely Near Eastern. The face, therefore, is definitely Nordic, while the body build looks often thick-set and very muscular, but this may be due to the clothing, which includes baggy trousers and jackets with full sleeves. The pointed caps which they wear and the long hair make it impossible to form a useful opinion of their head form, but this is unnecessary, since we may soon discover it from reference to the cranial material. Persian representations of Saka show exactly the same type, depicted by the followers of an entirely different school of art, and hence this type cannot have been an unfounded convention.
https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/chapter-VI5.htm

https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/troevi5.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/fGKbapS.png

https://i.imgur.com/vTKBDfZ.png

Thracian
05-01-2022, 01:56 PM
Ajeje's averages

Target: Thracian_scaled
Distance: 3.3901% / 0.03390126
56.4 CLUSTER-D_(N=5)
43.6 CLUSTER-C_(N=8)

Distance to: Thracian_scaled
0.05611728 CLUSTER-D_(N=5)
0.06688527 CLUSTER-C_(N=8)
0.07797802 CLUSTER-B_(N=5)
0.09389740 CLUSTER-A_(N=13)
0.14857799 CLUSTER-F_(N=1)
0.15918751 CLUSTER-E_(N=1)
0.22151654 CLUSTER-G_(N=1)

Individuals

Target: Thracian_scaled
Distance: 2.5960% / 0.02595964
52.2 CLUSTER-D
44.6 CLUSTER-C
3.2 CLUSTER-A

Oturan Boğa
05-02-2022, 02:42 PM
Target: OturanBoğa_scaled
Distance: 6.7268% / 0.06726807
65.0 CLUSTER-D_(N=5)
35.0 CLUSTER-G_(N=1)

Target: OturanBoğa_scaled
Distance: 2.5326% / 0.02532580
64.4 Anatolian
35.6 CLUSTER-G

Ajeje Brazorf
05-02-2022, 03:14 PM
I recommend using my previous clusters not the macro-clusters which are too unspecific.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?218659-Why-are-Scythians-still-being-associated-with-modern-Europeans&p=7491347#post7491347


CLUSTER-A_(N=1),0.039838,-0.406212,0.092772,-0.025194,-0.087401,-0.046296,0.019976,0.016153,0.004704,0.009841,-0.012666,0.00015,-0.01115,0.000138,-0.001764,-0.006099,-0.001043,-0.000127,-0.001885,0.007754,-0.01959,0.006183,-0.019227,-0.002289,-0.002155
CLUSTER-B_(N=1),0.037562,-0.369653,0.061471,-0.019703,-0.038161,-0.031236,0.015746,0.021691,0.003272,0.005103,-0.039623,-3E-04,0.000743,-0.003716,-0.000679,0.004375,-0.007953,-0.004434,-0.002263,0.001751,-0.013476,0.004451,-0.010106,-0.003494,0.009939
CLUSTER-C_(N=1),0.052359,-0.226463,0.048649,-0.015504,-0.044008,-0.013387,0.018096,0.027691,-0.000614,0.00328,-0.019487,0.008393,-0.003419,-0.00055,0.013708,-0.001458,-0.007562,0.010008,0.00993,0.023261,-0.009358,-0.006801,-0.021938,-0.003976,-0.004311
CLUSTER-D_(N=1),0.079676,-0.118817,0.031678,0.012597,-0.031083,0.000279,0.011986,0.010153,-0.024338,-0.020228,-0.011854,-0.001798,0.007284,-0.008808,0.006243,0.00769,-0.014342,0.001014,0.005405,0.003627,-0.017469,-0.002349,-0.003574,-0.006025,0.002634
CLUSTER-E_(N=13),0.0826532,-0.1113957,0.0570322,0.0460399,-0.0383265,0.0059641,0.0008315,0.0013314,-0.0125703,-0.0214198,-0.0121415,-0.0008069,0.0026646,-0.0228559,0.0148561,0.0087407,-0.0011634,-0.0019782,-0.0008122,0.0071957,-0.0195232,0.0030153,-0.0037828,0.003068,0.0002209
CLUSTER-F_(N=4),0.0899203,-0.0627092,0.0379005,0.0399712,-0.0397765,0.0097615,0.0055228,-0.0021345,-0.0164128,-0.0184057,-0.0070638,0.001124,-0.0008177,-0.021538,0.0121132,0.0133255,0.0032598,-0.0009505,0.0064105,-0.0006255,-0.018124,-0.000742,0.0073642,0.0068985,0.0024548
CLUSTER-G_(N=11),0.0915758,-0.0294504,0.0297581,0.0504467,-0.0424694,0.0126769,0.0009827,0.0012167,-0.0221816,-0.0307151,-0.0078095,-0.0004224,0.0022705,-0.0177534,0.0193834,0.0066897,-0.0076215,-0.0010482,0.0016914,0.0003296,-0.0139979,0.0003935,0.0006163,0.0001425,-0.0043545
CLUSTER-H_(N=5),0.1008472,0.0067026,0.0155374,0.0466412,-0.0363758,0.0141118,0.004042,0.002723,-0.0321512,-0.0320372,-0.0077622,0.0002396,2E-07,-0.026451,0.0170194,0.0151418,0.0023468,-0.0015708,0.0014078,-0.002026,-0.0072874,-0.0017558,7.4E-05,0.0025304,0.0015088
CLUSTER-I_(N=2),0.1115465,0.015233,0.051477,0.0705755,-0.027697,0.0206375,-0.004465,-0.001846,-0.030372,-0.0276085,-0.00747,0.0001495,-0.0032705,-0.0152075,0.018933,0.0102095,-0.0007825,0.005511,-0.002828,-0.001376,-0.007674,-0.000989,0.008935,0.0015065,0.0034125
CLUSTER-J_(N=4),0.0987412,0.0540768,-0.0019798,0.0418285,-0.0400072,0.016315,0.004465,-0.002077,-0.0357915,-0.0319368,-0.0007307,-0.003185,0.0007435,-0.0137278,0.0259225,0.006298,-0.0146682,0.0012988,-0.0040222,-0.0063155,-0.0093898,-0.003926,-0.003944,-0.0004518,-0.0039517
CLUSTER-K_(N=1),0.102441,0.036559,0.051666,0.065892,-0.033545,0.014502,-0.00376,-0.001846,-0.012067,-0.0277,-0.00406,-0.019333,0.014271,-0.004679,0.010858,0.006895,-0.004172,0.000507,0.008422,-0.018134,-0.007986,-0.012365,-0.014913,0.002892,-0.016645
CLUSTER-L_(N=35),0.1097579,0.0507765,0.031592,0.0640186,-0.0262025,0.0253393,0.0013832,-0.0004153,-0.0270321,-0.0346561,-0.0023708,0.0002184,-0.0013209,-0.0221847,0.0198617,0.0142781,-0.0008903,0.0007131,-0.0016161,0.0010183,-0.0086953,0.0030631,0.0006691,0.005116,-0.0009682
CLUSTER-M_(N=2),0.107563,0.058901,0.039975,0.068799,-0.013541,0.0308175,0.0034075,0.0104995,-0.023111,-0.0357185,-0.0085255,0.000225,0.0049805,-0.015689,0.0335225,0.0057675,-0.0320745,0.0095015,0.0014455,-0.0092545,-0.0141625,0.0046985,-0.004314,-0.001747,-0.0015565
CLUSTER-N_(N=1),0.1161,0.066009,0.042992,0.097869,-0.028005,0.02259,-0.001175,-0.003692,-0.037428,-0.056311,0.003085,-0.005545,0.001933,-0.032754,0.023344,0.019093,0.007041,-0.009248,0,-0.00025,-0.006489,-0.004822,-0.001479,0.008796,-0.005868
CLUSTER-O_(N=1),0.12862,0.105615,0.041106,0.08075,0.004924 ,0.023427,0.016921,-0.006923,-0.015953,-0.05212,0.002923,-0.006444,0.0055,-0.020643,0.031623,0.017104,0.006519,0.005448,0.002 011,0.012881,-0.009982,0.000124,0.00037,0.017111,-0.010418
CLUSTER-P_(N=2),0.108701,0.0634705,0.0379005,0.0599165,-0.0018465,0.014084,0.0019975,0.0095765,-0.015237,-0.0256045,0.005034,0.0003745,-0.0050545,-0.010872,0.017508,0.00948,0.004303,0.0125425,-0.011187,0.003439,-0.000936,-0.001669,0.003821,0.0158455,-0.005987
CLUSTER-Q_(N=1),0.10927,0.081242,0.028661,0.050065,-0.00677,0.014781,0.013631,0.011769,-0.011658,-0.008018,-0.021598,-0.01109,0.015907,-0.009771,0.003664,0.004773,-0.005476,0.002534,-0.006913,0.007754,-0.018717,-0.009892,-0.008997,-0.004217,0.007784
CLUSTER-R_(N=2),0.1069935,0.0685485,0.0294155,0.0321385,-0.006463,0.011574,0.00376,-0.0077305,-0.012783,-0.0204105,-0.0064955,0.003297,-0.0173935,-0.0044035,0.0055645,-0.004574,-0.008214,0.0043075,0.0006285,0.003752,-0.0101075,-0.0090885,0.0051765,0.001024,-0.0049695
CLUSTER-S_(N=7),0.1195141,0.0950246,0.0334021,0.0267629,0. 0036489,0.0065339,0.0023836,-0.0006263,-0.0114243,-0.0043216,9.27E-05,0.0008134,-0.0037589,-0.0064289,0.0043239,0.0020076,-0.0009499,0.0012309,0.0069314,1.77E-05,-0.0075403,0.0006359,0.0017256,0.0001377,-0.0024464
CLUSTER-T_(N=1),0.1161,0.116786,0.064111,0.057494,0.015387 ,0.010319,-0.00329,0.001615,-0.011862,-0.027882,0.001624,0.001649,0.008474,0.004129,-0.002579,-0.002917,-0.019166,-0.007348,0.015712,-0.001501,0.006114,0.003586,0.006779,-0.000241,0.004311
CLUSTER-U_(N=1),0.135449,0.120848,0.046386,0.065569,0.0356 99,0.01004,0.012221,0.024922,-0.005113,-0.024602,-0.004384,-0.005245,0.025124,0.007707,-0.017644,-0.002784,0.021513,0.004687,0.010559,0.015257,0.000 998,0.00507,0.013434,0.001205,-0.008742
CLUSTER-V_(N=17),0.1267454,0.1323772,0.0441231,0.020292,0. 032205,0.0057418,0.0017141,0.0025791,0.0038498,0.0 075468,-0.0002483,0.0047428,-0.0063924,-0.0015382,-0.0035368,-0.0009749,0.0011734,0.0012296,0.0049391,-0.0020892,-0.0041692,0.0003493,0.0011165,-0.0018855,-0.0020779
CLUSTER-W_(N=12),0.1291892,0.137181,0.0672532,0.0461621,0. 0434439,0.0154785,0.0034859,0.0073842,0.0065107,-0.0024298,-0.0011098,-0.0016485,0.0012017,0.0004588,-0.0004072,0.0110048,0.0090183,-0.0010769,0.0045986,0.0048772,0.0041906,0.0003813,-0.0003288,-0.0080131,-0.0001896
CLUSTER-X_(N=1),0.129758,0.141159,0.09692,0.069122,0.06955 1,0.018965,0.010575,0.012923,0.031292,0.007472,-0.002923,-0.017085,0.021704,0.023121,-0.024837,0.006099,0.009648,-0.003421,0.000251,0.01138,0.012228,0.005688,-0.012571,-0.043259,0
CLUSTER-Y_(N=7),0.1230914,0.1411584,0.0206337,-0.0205797,0.0223336,-0.0090041,0.0028537,-0.0025711,0.0035647,0.0297827,0.0009513,0.0048813,-0.0100879,-0.0018481,-0.0116139,-0.0030117,0.008419,0.002769,0.0073624,-0.0039481,-0.0096616,0.0066773,-0.0011621,0.0036666,-0.0020699

Distances to me


Distance to: Ajeje_Brazorf_scaled
0.05034336 CLUSTER-Y_(N=7)
0.09713580 CLUSTER-V_(N=17)
0.11322644 CLUSTER-S_(N=7)
0.13655740 CLUSTER-W_(N=12)
0.13787083 CLUSTER-R_(N=2)
0.14717422 CLUSTER-Q_(N=1)
0.15146336 CLUSTER-T_(N=1)
0.15864392 CLUSTER-U_(N=1)
0.16541065 CLUSTER-P_(N=2)
0.16911699 CLUSTER-J_(N=4)
0.18234100 CLUSTER-O_(N=1)
0.18413896 CLUSTER-L_(N=35)
0.18920876 CLUSTER-M_(N=2)
0.19029122 CLUSTER-X_(N=1)
0.19635233 CLUSTER-K_(N=1)
0.20020101 CLUSTER-H_(N=5)
0.21135542 CLUSTER-I_(N=2)
0.21412441 CLUSTER-N_(N=1)
0.23049032 CLUSTER-G_(N=11)
0.25053083 CLUSTER-F_(N=4)
0.29108344 CLUSTER-D_(N=1)
0.29886592 CLUSTER-E_(N=13)
0.39476988 CLUSTER-C_(N=1)
0.53444335 CLUSTER-B_(N=1)
0.58015804 CLUSTER-A_(N=1)

Oturan Boğa
05-02-2022, 07:00 PM
Target: OturanBoga_scaled
Distance: 5.2114% / 0.05211356
54.0 CLUSTER-Y_(N=7)
29.8 CLUSTER-J_(N=4)
16.2 CLUSTER-C_(N=1)

With my Anatolian farmer subtracted coordinates

Target: OturanBoga_Test
Distance: 14.3081% / 0.14308090
55.0 CLUSTER-K_(N=1)
43.4 CLUSTER-A_(N=1)
1.6 CLUSTER-N_(N=1)

Ritz06
05-04-2022, 05:44 PM
Target:
Distance: 3.1963% / 0.03196287
68.8 CLUSTER-C_(N=8)
31.2 CLUSTER-D_(N=5)


Target:
Distance: 2.3319% / 0.02331947
42.6 CLUSTER-Y_(N=7)
42.2 CLUSTER-J_(N=4)
8.8 CLUSTER-V_(N=17)
5.8 CLUSTER-W_(N=12)
0.6 CLUSTER-O_(N=1)

Ritz06
05-04-2022, 05:50 PM
Target:
Distance: 2.0232% / 0.02023168
50.6 Cluster-Y
35.8 Cluster-J
8.8 Cluster-W
2.8 Cluster-H
1.6 Cluster-L
0.4 Cluster-S

Target:
Distance: 2.0231% / 0.02023149
26.2 Cluster-Y:Scythian_MDA:scy305
16.4 Cluster-Y:HUN_Sarmatian_Late_Transtisza:A181027
15.6 Cluster-J:Sarmatian_KAZ:DA30
14.0 Cluster-J:Saka_Tian_Shan_o:DA53
8.0 Cluster-Y:Scythian_MDA:scy197
7.0 Cluster-W:Scythian_HUN:I20766
6.2 Cluster-J:RUS_Late_Xiongnu_Sarmatian:BUR002
2.8 Cluster-H:RUS_Late_Xiongnu_Sarmatian:NAI001
1.6 Cluster-L:RUS_Late_Xiongnu_Sarmatian:DUU001
1.6 Cluster-W:HUN_Sarmatian_Late_Danube-Tisza:A181018
0.6 Cluster-S:Scythian_MDA:scy311

Wilfredtheslayer
05-06-2022, 02:46 AM
Closest matching populations to ancient Scythians:
113839

Leto
05-30-2022, 03:51 PM
Pamiri Saka


Age: Iron Age/Early Antiquity
Genetic Group: Saka
Period: 2500-2300 BP

The Saka were an Iranic people closely related to the Scytho-Sarmatians. They were formed as a result of a mix between Sintashta, BMAC and East Siberian people. The Pamiri Saka in particular were characterized by very strongly defined Caucasoid features, such as this specimen who had a very strong, protruding nose bridge and a long, narrow face.

https://res.cloudinary.com/ancestralwhispers/image/upload/c_fill,fl_lossy,w_1500/v1/fulls/SakaRecon_nj2lnb
https://ancestralwhispers.org/reconstructions/saka

Tagar


Age: Late Bronze Age
Genetic Group: Tagar
Period: 2900–2800 BP

The people of the Tagar culture largely descent from the Andronovo horizon, with a small amount of their ancestry being derived from Siberians. The Tagarians were likely Iranic speakers, though Siberian and Uralic influences were also postulated by anthropologists and linguists.

https://res.cloudinary.com/ancestralwhispers/image/upload/c_fill,fl_lossy,w_1500/v1/fulls/TagarRecon_ohgrp2
https://ancestralwhispers.org/reconstructions/tagar

Roy
05-30-2022, 09:40 PM
There are no pure Scythian descendants that would perfectly match their genetic signature but they have left a lot of genetics in modern Europeans.

Dick
05-31-2022, 07:05 AM
There are no pure Scythian descendants that would perfectly match their genetic signature but they have left a lot of genetics in modern Europeans.

The term Scythian is a broad one. Everyone north of ancient Greece were considered to be Scythians. the one eyed Cyclopes were a Scythian tribe living in the Carpathian mountains according to Greek mythology

XT93
06-06-2022, 04:31 PM
There are no pure Scythian descendants that would perfectly match their genetic signature but they have left a lot of genetics in modern Europeans.

There is, Rumeli Turks match very closely due to them having Turkic influence but being mostly of European genetics.

Joachim
12-26-2022, 05:28 AM
Look at this thread for example: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?218480-The-Great-Cuckold-Story-Of-The-Jatt-Caste-In-India-Product-Of-Big-White-Men-Breeding-Indian-Women!

According to the creater of the topic Scythians were modern European-looking guys who invaded India and mated with brown indians. Is that really the case? I thought the myth of Scythians being modern European-like in terms of looks and genetics was debunked?


Does this Scythian from Kazakhstan look European to you? :confused:

Berel’, Kazakhstan 4th–3rd c. BCE


# Population Percent
1 Siberian_E_Asian 29.19
2 SE_Asian 21.15
3 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 16.35
4 WHG 14.17
5 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 10.65
6 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 4.57
7 Ancestral_South_Indian 3.41
8 SW_Asian 0.52

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 RISE_irRus 16.68
2 Kyrgyz 17.07
3 Altaian 19.05
4 Uygur 19.21
5 Uzbek 19.33
6 Hazara 20.12
7 RISE_irAltai 20.39
8 Turkmen_Afghan 23.78
9 RISE_baKarasuk 25.88
10 Turkmen 26.59
11 Hazara_Afghan 28.51
12 Tatars 29.72
13 Scythian_IA 36.68
14 Uzbek_Afghan 36.73
15 Tajik_Afghan 37.35
16 Ust_Ishim 40.89
17 RISE_baMezh 41.58
18 Tajik_Pomiri 43.2
19 Russian 44.72
20 Sherpa 44.82




Not even westernmost Scythians who were predominantly West Eurasian resembled modern Europeans, they were EHG/CHG-rich folk with substantial East Eurasian admixture.

Fake imaginary Scythians drawn by whg/neolithic europeans. LOL Davidski from Eurogenes made so much propaganda about Scythians being European-like that even after the discovery of real Scythian genomes people still think that they were modern European-like (whg+neolithic). No they were not you fucking idiots.
http://i.imgur.com/HrGRUdb.jpg


REAL SCYTHIAN :laugh:
Berel’, Kazakhstan 4th–3rd c. BCE


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Siberian_E_Asian 29.19
2 SE_Asian 21.15
3 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 16.35
4 WHG 14.17
5 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 10.65
6 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 4.57
7 Ancestral_South_Indian 3.41
8 SW_Asian 0.52

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 RISE_irRus 16.68
2 Kyrgyz 17.07
3 Altaian 19.05
4 Uygur 19.21
5 Uzbek 19.33
6 Hazara 20.12
7 RISE_irAltai 20.39
8 Turkmen_Afghan 23.78
9 RISE_baKarasuk 25.88
10 Turkmen 26.59
11 Hazara_Afghan 28.51
12 Tatars 29.72
13 Scythian_IA 36.68
14 Uzbek_Afghan 36.73
15 Tajik_Afghan 37.35
16 Ust_Ishim 40.89
17 RISE_baMezh 41.58
18 Tajik_Pomiri 43.2
19 Russian 44.72
20 Sherpa 44.82


Because white nationalists are coping eef mu*ts,with no knowledge.

All the Iranic tribes that inavded India like kushans,pamiri sakas, hepthalites were genetically like tajiks not Europeans.
Also they were much more swarthy than Europeans.
80% britain is pale on hirisplex while only 5% sintahsta is pale on hirisplex,only 25% Blue eyed,15% blonde.
And Iranic nomads like scythians,sarmats,Alan's,kushans were 50% sintahsta only+50%bmac+east eurasian.
Eastern scythians mixed with okunevo people So they were heavily east eurasian.
So,Alll Iranic steppe nomads were much more dark than sintahsta Due to their heavy bmac and east eurasian,And scythians was already majority dark

White Nationalists forget that every country gets conquered,and it wasn't long ago that britan was inavded by urnfield Celts,angles,saxons,jutes,Romans,Vikings.
So much that the original britons don't even exist anymore.
Britian is today an imperial colonial Foreign territory where native langauges are extinct and foreign langauges, religion and customs have been enforced.
They also forget that whole of eastern and central Europe was overrun by alanic tribes foe centuries and the only reason romans won against the huns is because Alan's and sarmatians changed sides.
Closest people to Alans and sarmatians genetically are ossetians and tajiks.
White nationalists also forget the swarthoid yamnaya/bell beaker/corded ware conquest and mixification of europe with swarthy yamanaya men and globular amorpha eef women who were blonde,blue eyed and pale due to Depigmentation and mixing with blonde/Blue eyed Baltic hunter gatherers.
This is the reason sintahsta and later mlba indo Europeans were lighter than emba indo Europeans, although mlba was still darker than modern europeans,and was as light as south italians or Caucasus people are.




I have read Indian history,and it seems that later tribes like alchonites, hepthalites were defeated and kicked out By Gupta confederation and pratihars defeated arab muslims 4 times.
British rule in India was like 150 years,and even in the first Anglo maratha war the British were brutally defeated.

In later wars,they managed to bribe maratha and french officers with loads of money,so they won.
British conquest of india reads like a dishonorable conquest full of lies and bribery and conman policies.
If maratha and french generals remained loyal then British rule wouldn't have happened or would have been delayed
Can't even call it a proper honorable honest conquest like the Russian conquest of Nazi Germany,or the alexander conquests

NSXD60
12-26-2022, 06:07 AM
Psst, visit the Hermitage Museum in Saint Petersburg, or, of course, an accurate website, to see what the original Scythians looked like, not the far wandering conquer-and-breed-with-the-subject-natives representations.