Gedmatch calculators on Vahaduo

[Lucas]

K13 and K15 averages for Northern and Midlands English.



English_North,49.73,24.43,12.93,5.78,3.21,0.78,1.3 7,0.24,0.17,0.51,0.37,0.24,0.20
English_Midlands,50.26,23.14,13.99,6.24,2.66,0.49, 1.22,0.38,0.18,0.35,0.52,0.28,0.22



English_North,37.00,27.17,10.99,8.66,8.85,3.88,0.9 7,0.40,0.94,0.08,0.07,0.31,0.23,0.24,0.13
English_Midlands,37.06,27.48,10.08,8.83,9.79,3.99, 0.30,0.50,0.84,0.12,0.06,0.12,0.38,0.18,0.17


Added averages.

[Lucas]

Updated with another sample (for Eurogenes K13):

Bosniak_Sandzak,23.19,26.67,18.64,10.47,16.53,2.65 ,0.28,0.32,0.27,0.59,0.14,0.05,0.20

added

[Lucas]

updated Armenians for Dodecad K12b

Armenian_East,17.31,0.25,0.50,0.04,10.96,6.45,0.37 ,0.01,13.83,0.19,50.02,0.02

added

[Leto]

K13 and K15 averages for Northern and Midlands English.



English_North,49.73,24.43,12.93,5.78,3.21,0.78,1.3 7,0.24,0.17,0.51,0.37,0.24,0.20
English_Midlands,50.26,23.14,13.99,6.24,2.66,0.49, 1.22,0.38,0.18,0.35,0.52,0.28,0.22



English_North,37.00,27.17,10.99,8.66,8.85,3.88,0.9 7,0.40,0.94,0.08,0.07,0.31,0.23,0.24,0.13
English_Midlands,37.06,27.48,10.08,8.83,9.79,3.99, 0.30,0.50,0.84,0.12,0.06,0.12,0.38,0.18,0.17


K13


Yorks1,49.10,24.09,13.07,8.08,3.03,0.42,0.55,0.08, 0,0.46,1.08,0,0
Yorks2,51.63,21.23,13.76,5.42,4.36,0.26,1.69,0,0,0 .49,1.17,0,0
Yorks3,49.72,23.41,13.91,4.86,4.93,1.58,0.79,0,0,0 .62,0.18,0,0
Yorks4,48.81,25.85,14.97,5.77,1.17,0,1.62,0.20,0,0 .99,0.63,0,0
NE_Eng1,49.31,23.40,14.75,7.68,0,1.19,2.08,0,1.39, 0,0,0.19,0
NE_Eng2,47.30,24.05,14.08,8.17,2.92,1.24,0.92,0,0, 0.37,0.30,0.60,0
NW_Eng1,48.57,26.21,11.29,8.21,1.74,0.87,2.58,0,0, 0,0,0,0.54
NW_Eng2,52.39,24.80,13.01,4.29,0.80,0.65,1.12,1.23 ,0,1.58,0.14,0,0
NW_Eng3,49.05,24.34,13.38,1.80,4.33,1.86,2.62,0.64 ,0,0,0.38,0.77,0.84
Lancs1,48.39,25.33,12.80,4.30,6.12,0.56,0.57,0,0,0 .79,0.36,0.22,0.55
Lancs2,49.81,26.93,12.36,6.55,0.50,1.52,0.34,0.47, 0.06,0.44,0,0.98,0
Lancs3,52.55,23.20,8.07,7.10,5.02,0,1.83,0.28,0,0. 93,0.66,0.36,0
Nth_Eng2,49.87,24.75,12.65,2.92,6.89,0,1.14,0.28,0 .76,0,0,0,0.75



NthStaffordshire1,48.91,24.71,12.97,7.34,3.14,0,1. 98,0.69,0,0.25,0,0,0
Staffordshire3,54.22,24.04,11.69,4.23,3.04,0,1.42, 0.18,0,0.30,0.88,0,0
WestMidlands1,50.66,20.93,16.23,8.42,0.81,0,0.51,0 ,0.68,0.48,0.45,0.41,0.43
WestMidlands2,49.01,23.31,13.55,6.46,4.22,0,0.20,0 .82,0,0.55,1.09,0,0.76
WestMidlands3;48.45;24.21;14.70;6.94;2.66;0.31;0.3 6;0.12;0.73;0.36;0;0.30;0.86
ENG_Midlands1,52.09,20.04,14.52,6.76,1.93,0.58,2.5 7,0.86,0,0.29,0.33,0,0
ENG_Midlands2,47.32,25.81,12.92,4.09,4.29,2.25,2.3 1,0,0,0.35,0.37,0.29,0
Lincolnshire1,50.60,22.01,15.34,6.48,1.27,1.22,0.4 2,0,0.21,0,1.61,0.84,0
Derbyshire1,51.16,23.23,13.99,5.52,2.61,0.08,1.23, 0.83,0,0.65,0,0.70,0

K15



Yorks1,32.70,31.20,11.58,7.93,8.20,6.89,0,0,0.32,0 ,0,0.21,0.91,0,0
Yorks2,39.55,25.41,8.72,8.44,10.88,4.05,0.55,0.07, 1.41,0,0,0.05,0.87,0,0
Yorks3,36.07,29.17,8.93,9.28,9.47,2.76,3.08,0.66,0 .38,0,0,0.20,0,0,0
Yorks4,35.50,27.53,12.53,8.69,10.76,2.74,0,0,1.27, 0,0,0.58,0.39,0,0
NE_Eng1,37.68,25.53,10.59,8.10,10.43,4.83,0,0.35,1 .56,0,0.80,0,0,0.15,0
NE_Eng2,37.07,23.60,10.08,10.28,10.26,6.88,0,0.76, 0.46,0,0,0,0,0.59,0
NW_Eng1,37.58,24.91,10.17,12.63,7.09,5.20,0,0.71,1 .40,0,0,0,0,0,0.30
NW_Eng2,38.75,28.57,12.90,6.62,8.48,1.51,0,0,0.85, 0.78,0,1.53,0,0,0
NW_Eng3,37.54,26.04,12.50,6.71,9.16,0.85,1.15,1.53 ,2.41,0.29,0,0,0.22,1.13,0.49
Lancs1,35.08,28.64,12.87,7.05,8.03,3.53,3.12,0.39, 0,0,0,0.51,0.15,0.29,0.34
Lancs2,36.44,27.17,13.98,8.34,7.82,4.50,0,0.76,0,0 .05,0,0.27,0,0.67,0
Lancs3,37.39,31.09,9.41,7.63,4.09,6.42,0.96,0,1.46 ,0,0,0.70,0.46,0.38,0
Nth_Eng2,39.77,24.46,8.68,10.90,10.46,0.37,3.79,0, 0.76,0,0.18,0,0,0,0.60



NthStaffordshire1,37.16,26.33,9.65,10.65,9.33,5.14 ,0,0,1.72,0,0,0,0,0,0
Staffordshire2,36.54,26.06,9.54,13.90,8.70,1.89,0. 89,1.61,0.25,0,0,0,0.49,0.14,0
Staffordshire3,33.72,35.44,10.66,9.42,6.43,2.93,0, 0,0.79,0,0,0,0.61,0,0
WestMidlands1,41.26,24.15,7.86,7.75,12.09,5.29,0,0 ,0,0,0.33,0.29,0.24,0.47,0.22
WestMidlands2,37.17,25.32,11.00,7.71,10.27,4.87,1. 20,0.14,0,0.38,0,0.37,0.87,0,0.68
WestMidlands3;39.85,22.90,10.58,8.69,11.10,5.35,0, 0.07,0.08,0,0.27,0.24,0,0,0.87
ENG_Midlands1,39.84,27.12,7.76,7.27,10.99,2.92,0.2 1,0.45,2.86,0.47,0,0,0.10,0,0
ENG_Midlands2,36.38,25.88,11.97,8.37,9.36,2.98,0.7 9,2.00,1.89,0,0,0,0.21,0.13,0
Lincolnshire1;33.41,31.64,11.33,6.07,9.75,5.03,0,0 .79,0,0,0,0,1.36,0.63,0
Derbyshire1,35.36,29.99,10.47,8.54,9.93,3.59,0,0,0 .84,0.42,0,0.36,0,0.49,0
Are they not academic? Southern England is well represented on Eurogenes

Southeast_English,50.52,23.27,13.98,4.46,5.09,0.09 ,1.08,0.04,0.06,0.62,0.62,0.12,0.04
Southwest_English,51.98,22.10,15.10,4.92,2.70,0.95 ,0.88,0.12,0.05,0.15,0.59,0.28,0.16

[J. Ketch]

Are they not academic? Southern England is well represented on Eurogenes

Southeast_English,50.52,23.27,13.98,4.46,5.09,0.09 ,1.08,0.04,0.06,0.62,0.62,0.12,0.04
Southwest_English,51.98,22.10,15.10,4.92,2.70,0.95 ,0.88,0.12,0.05,0.15,0.59,0.28,0.16
Southern England is represented, but there's a large gap between Southern England and Scotland filled with over 25 million people. Considering you have what seems like Balkan and Turkish village averages posted here, I thought it should be represented.

[J. Ketch]

A Welsh average for K15, I noticed there wasn't one.


Welsh,37.31,28.58,9.57,8.63,9.32,4.43,0.18,0.15,0. 82,0.05,0.22,0.36,0.22,0.01,0.09

Individual samples:

SthWales1,30.77,33.69,10.89,8.09,9.67,3.90,0,1.98, 0,0.60,0,0,0.08,0.17,0.17
SthWales2,40.48,26.75,5.45,10.27,11.60,4.22,0,0,0, 0,0,1.06,0.12,0,0
Welsh1,34.61,30.84,9.55,7.82,8.92,4.10,1.90,0,1.66 ,0,0,0.57,0,0,0
Welsh2,41.20,23.82,9.69,8.93,11.59,2.86,0,0,0.73,0 ,0.61,0.11,0.47,0,0
Welsh3,40.34,25.92,8.69,6.96,11.10,5.13,0,0,0,0,0. 68,0.57,0,0,0.60
Welsh4,34.45,29.03,13.04,7.79,8.03,5.69,0,0,1.89,0 ,0,0.09,0,0,0
Welsh5,34.86,33.35,9.47,9.93,3.71,6.35,0,0,1.65,0, 0.68,0,0,0,0
Welsh6,41.08,28.26,5.61,10.74,10.95,2.35,0,0,0,0,0 .32,0,0.69,0,0
Welsh7,41.44,25.20,8.03,9.53,9.18,5.27,0,0,0.43,0. 05,0,0.10,0.52,0,0.24
Welsh8,35.74,29.76,11.48,6.87,8.66,4.37,0.55,0,1.1 1,0,0,0.66,0.81,0,0
Welsh9,32.39,34.38,11.64,6.78,8.39,4.19,0,0,0.59,0 ,0,1.21,0.26,0,0.16
Welsh10,34.45,29.03,13.04,7.79,8.03,5.69,0,0,1.89, 0,0,0.09,0,0,0
NthWales1,43.27,21.51,7.88,10.70,11.37,3.47,0,0,0. 82,0,0.66,0.32,0,0,0

[Lucas]

A Welsh average for K15, I noticed there wasn't one.


Welsh,37.31,28.58,9.57,8.63,9.32,4.43,0.18,0.15,0. 82,0.05,0.22,0.36,0.22,0.01,0.09

Individual samples:

SthWales1,30.77,33.69,10.89,8.09,9.67,3.90,0,1.98, 0,0.60,0,0,0.08,0.17,0.17
SthWales2,40.48,26.75,5.45,10.27,11.60,4.22,0,0,0, 0,0,1.06,0.12,0,0
Welsh1,34.61,30.84,9.55,7.82,8.92,4.10,1.90,0,1.66 ,0,0,0.57,0,0,0
Welsh2,41.20,23.82,9.69,8.93,11.59,2.86,0,0,0.73,0 ,0.61,0.11,0.47,0,0
Welsh3,40.34,25.92,8.69,6.96,11.10,5.13,0,0,0,0,0. 68,0.57,0,0,0.60
Welsh4,34.45,29.03,13.04,7.79,8.03,5.69,0,0,1.89,0 ,0,0.09,0,0,0
Welsh5,34.86,33.35,9.47,9.93,3.71,6.35,0,0,1.65,0, 0.68,0,0,0,0
Welsh6,41.08,28.26,5.61,10.74,10.95,2.35,0,0,0,0,0 .32,0,0.69,0,0
Welsh7,41.44,25.20,8.03,9.53,9.18,5.27,0,0,0.43,0. 05,0,0.10,0.52,0,0.24
Welsh8,35.74,29.76,11.48,6.87,8.66,4.37,0.55,0,1.1 1,0,0,0.66,0.81,0,0
Welsh9,32.39,34.38,11.64,6.78,8.39,4.19,0,0,0.59,0 ,0,1.21,0.26,0,0.16
Welsh10,34.45,29.03,13.04,7.79,8.03,5.69,0,0,1.89, 0,0,0.09,0,0,0
NthWales1,43.27,21.51,7.88,10.70,11.37,3.47,0,0,0. 82,0,0.66,0.32,0,0,0

added

[gixajo]

Target: gixajo
Distance: 2.6104% / 2.61035377 | ADC: 0.25x
59.6 Galicia
23.2 Baleares
9.0 Castilla_Y_Leon
6.6 Belorussian
1.6 Swiss_Italian

[Lucas]

Target: gixajo
Distance: 2.6104% / 2.61035377 | ADC: 0.25x
59.6 Galicia
23.2 Baleares
9.0 Castilla_Y_Leon
6.6 Belorussian
1.6 Swiss_Italian

K15?

[gixajo]

added

Sorry, is it possible to obtain the gedmatch kit number of this sample?

G25 coordinates are ok also, but is more interesting for me the first.


ElSotilloBasqueCountry_I1977

Is one of the samples that are in the dodecad k12b Ancient sources.

They were found 13 corpses(page 16, in Spanish sorry, but you can understand datation of corpses), Do you know from which one of those 13 individuals were obtained Dna to get those coordinates?

https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/84678899.pdf

[Leto]

Bavarians for Dodecad K12b:

Bavarian_German,6.87,0.32,0.56,0.11,35.71,39.06,0. 15,0,2.40,0.06,14.77,0

[Rædwald]

Eurogenes K15


Target: Raedwald
Distance: 2.5614% / 2.56135595 | ADC: 0.25x

42.8 Southwest_English
18.8 North_Swedish
17.2 Southeast_English
10.0 France-South
8.6 Norwegian
1.6 Karitiana
0.6 Chamar
0.4 Austroasiatic_Ho

MDLP K16


Target: Raedwald
Distance: 0.8746% / 0.87464005 | ADC: 0.25x

33.8 English_Kent_GBR
22.8 Scottish
17.8 French
9.8 French_West
7.8 English_Cornwall_GBR
4.0 Irish_Cork_Kerry
1.4 AthabaskHD
1.2 Spanish-North
0.8 Eskimo_Naukan
0.6 Haida

puntDNAL K15


Target: Raedwald
Distance: 1.7683% / 1.76834114 | ADC: 0.25x

68.8 English
18.8 Scottish
6.2 South_German
3.0 Ecuadorian
1.4 Paniya
0.8 West_Greenlander
0.6 AriBlackSmith
0.4 Colombian_B

[Not a Cop]

added

Still kinda bad for my grandad.


Target: ded
Distance: 1.2498% / 1.24980596
39.6 Lithuanian
34.4 English_Midlands
10.2 Swedish
6.4 West_Norwegian
4.8 North_Ossetian
2.4 Kalash
2.2 England

[Gründig]

K13

Distance: 1.0384% / 1.03837661 | ADC: 0.25x
33.6 West_German
25.2 Austrian
25.0 German_West
12.6 Swiss_German
1.4 Kabardin
1.2 Swiss_French
0.6 South_Dutch
0.4 Yoruban

Why are there 2 west Germans? What’s the difference?

[J. Ketch]

K13

Distance: 1.0384% / 1.03837661 | ADC: 0.25x
33.6 West_German
25.2 Austrian
25.0 German_West
12.6 Swiss_German
1.4 Kabardin
1.2 Swiss_French
0.6 South_Dutch
0.4 Yoruban

Why are there 2 west Germans? What’s the difference?
One is the GEDmatch average, the other is an average someone has made for the updated calculator.

[Dušan]

Interesting

K13 updated


Target: Dušan
Distance: 2.2768% / 2.27684954 | ADC: 0.25x
44.2 Romania_Maramures
21.8 Bulgarian_Northwest
20.0 Ukrainian
5.4 Erzya
4.6 Moldova_North
4.0 Sardinian

Target: Dušan
Distance: 3.7508% / 3.75083653 | ADC: 0.5x
47.8 Romania_Maramures
35.0 Moldova_North
12.0 Bulgarian_Northwest
4.2 Ukrainian
1.0 Erzya

[Mingle]

Iranian averages and one Indian average for HarappaWorld based on academic samples:


iranian-lur,3.95,26.84,40.31,4.66,0.30,1.03,0.31,0.37,0.19 ,0.83,5.93,14.58,0.15,0.26,0.12,0.16


iranian-shiraz,5.89,27.38,36.51,5.86,0.37,1.18,0.59,0.46,0 .76,0.53,4.92,13.82,0.18,0.78,0.55,0.25


haryana-ror,25.73,35.80,10.92,19.55,0,1.57,0,0.38,1.43,0.3 6,3.64,0.54,0.10,0,0,0

[Mingle]

Dodecad K12b


Nuristani,41.29,2.22,0,0,0.21,15.98,22.41,0,0.69,0 .24,16.96,0

[Mingle]

HarappaWorld


mazandarani,5.33,32.64,43.13,3.89,0.29,0.42,0.38,0 .20,0.39,0.41,2.17,10.07,0.15,0.09,0.25,0.19



Dodecad K12b


Kho,37.62,4.04,0,0.34,0.30,17.82,21.24,0,2.10,1.74 ,15.60,0

[J. Ketch]

K15 updated Euro PCA

https://i.postimg.cc/t44qStwx/K15-june-20.png

NW Euro magnified

https://i.postimg.cc/yx9NX1JY/K15-june-20nw.png

[JamesBond007]

I'm more interested in the single populations because I'm not too much of a mutt not to be able to be a native of Britain. I don't see much of a point in the breakdowns if unless you are mutt or researcher or something :

MDLP K16 :

Distance to: Kevin
2.19934081 English_Cornwall_GBR
2.40746755 Irish_Cork_Kerry
2.71737005 Scottish
2.72473852 Irish_Connacht
2.78253482 Irish_Ulster


PuntDNAL K12 modern :

Distance to: kevin
2.54186939 English_South
3.01182669 Utahn_European
3.29410079 Irish
3.95614712 Dutch_South
4.07444475 Hungarian
4.92454059 German_North
4.93974696 German_South

Eurogenes K13 :

Distance to: Kevin
3.56908952 English_Midlands
3.88243480 Irish
4.00098738 Welsh
4.15497292 English
4.17688879 Scottish
4.28316472 English_North
4.42910826 Orcadian
4.84246838 West_Scottish
5.40641286 Southwest_English
5.71061293 North-Dutch
6.30891433 Southeast_English


Eurogenes K15 :

Distance to: Kevin
2.37520525 English_Midlands
2.65992481 Welsh
2.70270235 English_North
2.81662919 England
2.88652040 Dutch
3.75050663 Scotland
4.22808467 Southwest_English
4.31929392 Southeast_English
4.41881206 North_Dutch
4.97456531 West_Scottish

[Kyp]

Harappaworld:

n=17

Azerbaijani_Iran,2.93,21.97,40.39,7.06,0.79,2.46,2 .63,0.21,0.58,0.67,7.92,12.03,0.01,0.44,0.09,0.05

[Kyp]

Harappaworld:

n=21

Azerbaijani_Rep,2.01,21.87,41.46,8.99,0.71,2.12,1. 94,0.45,0.38,0.71,7.51,11.42,0.10,0.56,0.50,0.48

[Lucas]

HarappaWorld


Code:

Nuristani,41.29,2.22,0,0,0.21,15.98,22.41,0,0.69,0 .24,16.96,0





Dodecad K12b


Kho,37.62,4.04,0,0.34,0.30,17.82,21.24,0,2.10,1.74 ,15.60,0

added

[Lucas]

Harappaworld:
Harappaworld:

n=17
Code:

Azerbaijani_Iran,2.93,21.97,40.39,7.06,0.79,2.46,2 .63,0.21,0.58,0.67,7.92,12.03,0.01,0.44,0.09,0.05


n=21

Azerbaijani_Rep,2.01,21.87,41.46,8.99,0.71,2.12,1. 94,0.45,0.38,0.71,7.51,11.42,0.10,0.56,0.50,0.48

[Lucas]

Bavarians for Dodecad K12b:

Bavarian_German,6.87,0.32,0.56,0.11,35.71,39.06,0. 15,0,2.40,0.06,14.77,0

added

[Kyp]

Harappaworld

n=6

Turkmen_Iran,5.70,24.89,33.11,9.99,0.77,7.13,7.47, 0.30,0.32,0.75,3.35,7.53,0.02,0,0.11,0.06

[Kyp]

Dodecad k12b:
n=3


Udi_Azerbaijan,21.36,0.26,0.72,0.10,9.43,8.55,1.04 ,0.04,12.05,0.40,46.15,0

[harutsafaryan07]

Kazakh and Karakalpak for Eurogenes K15

Kazakh,7.77,2.66,5.04,10.54,0.88,10,2.34,0.34,3.77 ,19.94,35.2,2.14,0.16,0,0.06
Karakalpak,5.72,4.0,4.75,10.64,1.32,12.39,3.37,0.9 2,5.04,19.65,29.45,1.72,0.64,0.14,0.18

[Mingle]

For HarappaWorld, I significantly increased the sample size for most of the ones below and added one new average. For Dodecad K12b, I added a bunch of new averages. vbnetkhio helped me a lot in making the averages for them.



HarappaWord

UPDATED

Pamiri_Rushan,8.62,32.02,21.09,23.50,0.35,3.40,1.8 1,0.25,1.71,1.28,4.50,1.35,0.04,0.04,0.03,0.01

Pamiri_Shughnan,9.69,32.05,19.97,22.43,0.08,3.36,2 .04,0.23,2.48,1.59,4.62,1.42,0.01,0.02,0,0.01

Pamiri_Ishkashim,12.89,32.88,19.40,20.74,0.37,3.74 ,2.96,0.60,1.76,0.98,2.90,0.75,0.00,0.00,0.04,0.00

Yaghnobi,5.04,30.44,25.89,21.69,0.23,3.46,1.64,0.3 2,1.38,0.95,5.35,3.60,0.02,0.00,0.00,0.00

Tajik_Kabul,18.64,32.97,20.40,11.60,0.76,2.89,4.42 ,0.24,1.17,0.95,2.59,3.20,0.02,0.03,0.02,0.15

Iranian_Mashhad,7.76,28.45,32.27,8.33,0.21,1.95,4. 03,0.43,0.59,0.45,5.93,8.88,0.02,0.11,0.10,0.15

NEW

Udi,0.89,21.91,46.31,8.64,0.25,0.15,0.24,0.54,0.14 ,0.30,8.13,12.43,0.05,0.00,0.03,0.00

Also, for HarappaWorld, can you rename "Tajik_Panjshir&Kapisa" to "Tajik_East_Afghanistan"?



Dodecad K12b

NEW

Pashtun_Yusafzai,37.17,2.04,0.03,0.55,2.17,13.48,2 4.02,0.08,2.80,1.16,16.33,0.16

Pashtun_Tarkalani,37.16,1.50,0.19,0.69,1.80,15.17, 21.64,0.19,3.63,1.12,16.78,0.19

Pashtun_Kandahar,35.75,2.18,0.13,0.25,3.21,15.45,1 6.59,0.25,4.09,1.93,20.12,0.07

Pashtun_Uthmankhel,36.96,2.46,0.00,0.36,2.57,15.39 ,21.95,0.00,3.11,0.78,16.28,0.14

Tajik_Kabul,33.15,3.36,0.07,0.62,3.55,12.61,18.75, 0.06,3.38,5.77,18.49,0.19

Tajik_Herat,30.91,4.43,0.13,0.10,5.19,11.91,11.88, 0.53,7.74,4.67,22.28,0.22

Tajik_East_Afghanistan,38.25,2.34,0.00,1.01,2.25,1 3.91,18.56,0.00,2.77,1.36,19.30,0.26

Pamiri_Shughnan,32.06,4.44,0.00,0.15,6.02,24.32,10 .09,0.08,1.93,3.56,17.36,0.01

Pamiri_Rushan,32.02,4.15,0.04,0.53,6.68,24.69,9.22 ,0.07,1.80,2.75,18.04,0.01

Pamiri_Ishkashim,32.91,4.60,0.00,0.49,4.38,22.36,1 3.64,0.06,1.30,3.74,16.52,0.00

I noticed there already exists an average labeled "Tajik_Pamiri". It should be removed as I made averages for all the Pamiri subgroups.

I would also have "AFG_Pashtun" and "AFG_Tajik" removed as these two are regionally mixed samples and not really properly representative of any regions of Pashtuns or Tajiks. They are decent averages but now there are more regional averages they can be replaced with.

[Ion Basescul]

Ukrainians from Ivano-Frankivsk for K13 (n=10)

Average
Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk,26.18,38.44,13.89,5.43,1 1.20,1.12,1.13,0.20,1.35,0.50,0.20,0.16,0.21

Individuals
Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk_1,29.11,36.54,13.52,5.76,11.18,0,0,0,2.1 7,0.75,0,0,0.96
Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk_2,27.11,37.38,12.55,4.40,12.93,2.10,0,0, 3.22,0.29,0,0,0
Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk_3,28.09,36.85,13.54,5.22,12.79,0,1.12,0, 1.84,0,0.56,0,0
Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk_4,23.99,35.97,15.62,8.12,10.41,0.69,2.01 ,1.01,1.25,0.78,0,0.15,0
Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk_5,29.3,38.66,10.9,5.47,12.03,0.64,0.69,0 ,0.23,0.93,0.18,0.94,0
Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk_6,26.73,37.91,15.6,5.36,11.7,0,1,0,0,0.6 ,0,0,1.09
Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk_7,24.63,40.69,13.94,6.02,8.42,2.41,2.26, 0.65,0.37,0.42,0.18,0,0
Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk_8,23.65,42.35,13.61,5.3,8.99,1.24,2.61,0 .38,1.37,0.1,0,0.4,0
Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk_9,24.52,40.65,14.67,2.83,12.23,0.71,1.57 ,0,1.36,0.91,0.45,0.07,0
Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk_10,24.62,37.38,14.91,5.85,11.35,3.37,0,0 ,1.65,0.2,0.67,0,0

[Lucas]

Ukrainians from Ivano-Frankivsk for K13 (n=10)

Average
Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk,26.18,38.44,13.89,5.43,1 1.20,1.12,1.13,0.20,1.35,0.50,0.20,0.16,0.21

Individuals
Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk_1,29.11,36.54,13.52,5.76,11.18,0,0,0,2.1 7,0.75,0,0,0.96
Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk_2,27.11,37.38,12.55,4.40,12.93,2.10,0,0, 3.22,0.29,0,0,0
Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk_3,28.09,36.85,13.54,5.22,12.79,0,1.12,0, 1.84,0,0.56,0,0
Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk_4,23.99,35.97,15.62,8.12,10.41,0.69,2.01 ,1.01,1.25,0.78,0,0.15,0
Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk_5,29.3,38.66,10.9,5.47,12.03,0.64,0.69,0 ,0.23,0.93,0.18,0.94,0
Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk_6,26.73,37.91,15.6,5.36,11.7,0,1,0,0,0.6 ,0,0,1.09
Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk_7,24.63,40.69,13.94,6.02,8.42,2.41,2.26, 0.65,0.37,0.42,0.18,0,0
Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk_8,23.65,42.35,13.61,5.3,8.99,1.24,2.61,0 .38,1.37,0.1,0,0.4,0
Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk_9,24.52,40.65,14.67,2.83,12.23,0.71,1.57 ,0,1.36,0.91,0.45,0.07,0
Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk_10,24.62,37.38,14.91,5.85,11.35,3.37,0,0 ,1.65,0.2,0.67,0,0


They are form Cumansky? If yes this is made up shit.
Also there is some other user on this forum whose refs I don't trust, as they are cherrypicked at least.

[Ion Basescul]

They are form Cumansky? If yes this is made up shit.
Also there is some other user on this forum whose refs I don't trust, as they are cherrypicked at least.

No, these are mine and verified.

[Lucas]

No, these are mine and verified.

Ok So I will add.

[Lucas]

Ukrainians from Ivano-Frankivsk for K13 (n=10)

Average
Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk,26.18,38.44,13.89,5.43,1 1.20,1.12,1.13,0.20,1.35,0.50,0.20,0.16,0.21

Individuals
Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk_1,29.11,36.54,13.52,5.76,11.18,0,0,0,2.1 7,0.75,0,0,0.96
Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk_2,27.11,37.38,12.55,4.40,12.93,2.10,0,0, 3.22,0.29,0,0,0
Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk_3,28.09,36.85,13.54,5.22,12.79,0,1.12,0, 1.84,0,0.56,0,0
Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk_4,23.99,35.97,15.62,8.12,10.41,0.69,2.01 ,1.01,1.25,0.78,0,0.15,0
Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk_5,29.3,38.66,10.9,5.47,12.03,0.64,0.69,0 ,0.23,0.93,0.18,0.94,0
Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk_6,26.73,37.91,15.6,5.36,11.7,0,1,0,0,0.6 ,0,0,1.09
Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk_7,24.63,40.69,13.94,6.02,8.42,2.41,2.26, 0.65,0.37,0.42,0.18,0,0
Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk_8,23.65,42.35,13.61,5.3,8.99,1.24,2.61,0 .38,1.37,0.1,0,0.4,0
Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk_9,24.52,40.65,14.67,2.83,12.23,0.71,1.57 ,0,1.36,0.91,0.45,0.07,0
Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk_10,24.62,37.38,14.91,5.85,11.35,3.37,0,0 ,1.65,0.2,0.67,0,0


added

+ what Leto send for Dodecad K12b

[Dušan]

I got these new result in mixed mode


Target: Dušan
Distance: 2.1175% / 2.11750657 | ADC: 0.25x
44.2 Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
26.4 Bulgarian_Northwest
18.8 Moldova_North
4.8 Sardinian
4.4 Bulgarian_Ruse
1.4 Erzya

[Leto]

added

+ what Leto send for Dodecad K12b
For Dod K12b as well (n = 15)


Slovak,5.18,0.73,0.28,0.26,26.53,50.32,0.60,0.03,2 .66,0.21,13.18,0

[Lucas]

For Dod K12b as well (n = 15)


Slovak,5.18,0.73,0.28,0.26,26.53,50.32,0.60,0.03,2 .66,0.21,13.18,0


added

[Ion Basescul]

Please update the K13 averages for Moldova_Centre, Moldova_South and Moldova_average. Thanks

Old
Moldova_average,22.51,27.80,16.89,10.65,16.33,2.30 ,0.44,0.62,1.19,0.54,0.42,0.10,0.20
Moldova_Centre,21.89,29.51,16.06,10.47,16.10,1.90, 0.53,0.83,1.14,0.81,0.48,0.08,0.20
Moldova_South,21.51,24.20,18.33,11.54,18.60,2.94,0 .29,0.49,1.11,0.42,0.29,0.10,0.18

New
Moldova_average,23.50,29.88,15.61,9.93,15.16,1.86, 0.85,0.62,1.32,0.53,0.41,0.14,0.20
Moldova_Centre,22.58,29.72,15.61,10.69,15.31,2.00, 0.75,0.75,1.11,0.67,0.51,0.09,0.20
Moldova_South,21.75,24.97,18.02,11.37,18.29,2.55,0 .45,0.42,1.15,0.50,0.32,0.08,0.14

[Lucas]

Please update the K13 averages for Moldova_Centre, Moldova_South and Moldova_average. Thanks

Old
Moldova_average,22.51,27.80,16.89,10.65,16.33,2.30 ,0.44,0.62,1.19,0.54,0.42,0.10,0.20
Moldova_Centre,21.89,29.51,16.06,10.47,16.10,1.90, 0.53,0.83,1.14,0.81,0.48,0.08,0.20
Moldova_South,21.51,24.20,18.33,11.54,18.60,2.94,0 .29,0.49,1.11,0.42,0.29,0.10,0.18

New
Moldova_average,23.50,29.88,15.61,9.93,15.16,1.86, 0.85,0.62,1.32,0.53,0.41,0.14,0.20
Moldova_Centre,22.58,29.72,15.61,10.69,15.31,2.00, 0.75,0.75,1.11,0.67,0.51,0.09,0.20
Moldova_South,21.75,24.97,18.02,11.37,18.29,2.55,0 .45,0.42,1.15,0.50,0.32,0.08,0.14

Done.

[Mingle]

Done.

Can you also add these Asian averages made by me, Kyp, and Harut?

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?310130-NEW!-All-Gedmatch-calculators-on-Vahaduo-ON-LINE/page178&p=6760468#post6760468

[Ion Basescul]

Please update the K13 averages for Romania_Moldavia_average, Romania_Moldavia_North and Romania_Moldavia_South.

Old
Romania_Moldavia_average,23.92,27.62,16.56,9.91,16 .68,1.51,0.58,0.43,1.36,0.63,0.46,0.16,0.16
Romania_Moldavia_North,23.82,28.53,15.49,10.61,16. 38,1.41,0.68,0.40,1.25,0.60,0.40,0.22,0.21
Romania_Moldavia_South,24.02,26.76,17.58,9.25,16.9 7,1.60,0.48,0.46,1.47,0.65,0.52,0.10,0.12

New
Romania_Moldavia_average,24.34,28.54,16.01,9.70,15 .75,1.70,0.73,0.53,1.23,0.66,0.52,0.14,0.15
Romania_Moldavia_North,24.73,29.80,14.95,9.49,15.2 5,1.63,0.81,0.53,1.32,0.62,0.56,0.17,0.15
Romania_Moldavia_South,23.84,26.94,17.37,9.96,16.3 8,1.78,0.63,0.53,1.13,0.71,0.48,0.09,0.15

[Rgvgjhvv]

Dodecad K12b


MarkosMom,4.65,0.34,1.01,1.07,26.07,23.99,0.46,0.5 9,10.07,0.00,31.65,0.09

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance

1 Turk_Macedonia 5.07
2 Albanian_Kosovo 5.96
3 Turk_Greece 6.23
4 Albanian_North 7.08
5 Greek 7.40

----------

Target: MarkosMom
Distance: 2.0568% / 2.05679011
40.4 Greek
39.0 Turk_Greece
20.6 Albanian_Kosovo


Target: MarkosMom
Distance: 2.0917% / 2.09174143
41.8 Greek
41.6 Turk_Greece
16.6 Albanian_North


Target: MarkosMom
Distance: 2.8446% / 2.84461686 | ADC: 1x
63.2 Turk_Macedonia
26.2 Greek
10.6 Albanian_Kosovo

----------


Target: MarkosMom
Distance: 2.4071% / 2.40713221
55.0 Turk_Greece
45.0 Greek

[alnortedelsur]

My updated Eurogenes K13 results from Vahaduo:


Target: Alnortedelsur
Distance: 0.5697% / 0.56969611
17.6 Spanish_Aragon
11.6 Moroccan_Jew
11.0 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
8.8 Swiss_Italian
7.6 Swiss-Italian
6.2 Marche
5.2 French_Basque
4.6 Spanish_Murcia
4.2 AostaValley
4.2 Karitiana
3.6 Yoruban
2.8 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
2.6 Tunisian_Jewish
2.4 Norwegian
1.8 Bantu_S.W.
1.6 Greek_Andros_Island
1.6 North_Amerindian
1.4 West_Scottish
1.2 Mayan

Target: Alnortedelsur
Distance: 2.0412% / 2.04122891 | ADC: 0.25x
37.8 Liguria
24.0 Spanish_Extremadura
19.4 Spanish_Murcia
8.2 Portuguese
3.0 Mayan
2.4 Bantu_S.E.
2.2 Pima
1.8 Mandenka
1.0 North_Amerindian
0.2 Bantu_N.E.

Distance to: Alnortedelsur
10.61968455 Piedmont
11.13083106 Spanish_Extremadura
11.20263362 Portuguese
11.34749752 Lombardy
11.36507369 Liguria
11.51426507 Veneto
11.53096267 Swiss-Italian
11.85390653 Emilia
12.13763568 Spanish_Murcia
12.16804421 Friuli-VG
12.18926167 Swiss_Italian
12.44836937 Spanish_Galicia
12.66897391 Trentino
12.83985981 Tuscany
13.11355787 Spanish_Andalucia
13.23387698 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
13.47548144 Spanish_Valencia
13.78518408 Spanish_Cataluna
14.17582096 AostaValley
14.25983871 Tuscan
14.31244563 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
14.76672272 FrenchCorsica
14.86363011 Romagna
15.37109300 Umbria
15.89240070 Spanish_Cantabria

[noricum]

Distance to: Noricum(austrian)
4.38731806 Hungarian_Northern
5.03887420 Hungarian_Transdanubia
5.32910874 Czech
5.34472637 Croat_Croatia_Gorski_Kotar
5.39510890 Croat_Croatia_Zagorje
5.48403655 Hungarian_Budapest
5.66989262 Hungarian
5.94184026 Slovak
5.94882341 Croat_Croatia_Central
6.08977706 Slovenian
6.41177822 East_German
6.44607938 Hungarian_Alfold
7.08048021 Austrian
7.24136037 German_east
7.76115326 Croat_Croatia
8.16605780 Croat
8.19256980 Croat_Croatia_Slavonia
8.71780362 Sorb_Lusatia
8.81200318 Croat_B&H_Bosnia
9.30812548 Croat_Croatia_Lika-Senj
9.35640957 Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
9.71422153 Bosniak_Bosnia_NE&Central
9.88970434 Hungarian_Transylvania
10.23096281 Moldova_North
10.29181714 South_Polish

[alnortedelsur]

My Eurogenes V2 K15 from Vahaduo:

Target: Alnortedelsur
Distance: 0.6102% / 0.61020843
28.6 French_Basque
11.8 Jordanian
10.2 Spanish_Aragon
9.4 Italy_Lombardy
8.6 Spanish_Valencia
4.8 Cypriot
4.4 Scotland
4.2 West_Norwegian
4.0 Anzick-1
2.8 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
2.6 Karitiana
1.8 Yoruban
1.6 Biaka_Pygmy
1.4 France_Corsica
0.8 Bantu_S.E.
0.6 Bantu_S.W.
0.6 Yemenite_Jewish
0.4 Mari
0.4 Mbuti_Pygmy
0.4 Spanish_Murcia
0.2 Algerian_Jewish
0.2 Ethiopian_Anuak
0.2 Sardinian

Target: Alnortedelsur (more realistic for me)
Distance: 2.5333% / 2.53330480 | ADC: 0.25x
56.2 Spanish_Murcia
19.4 West_Sicilian
13.0 Spanish_Valencia
3.8 Pima
2.2 Bantu_S.E.
2.0 Mayan
1.8 Mandenka
1.6 Italy_Friuli

Distance to: Alnortedelsur
10.98492604 Spanish_Murcia
11.02261766 Spanish_Extremadura
11.66917735 Italy_Piedmont
11.89870581 Italy_Liguria
11.93093458 Portuguese
11.97015455 Spanish_Andalucia
12.31584751 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
12.39499496 Italy_Friuli
12.56796722 Spanish_Valencia
12.58207852 Italy_Lombardy
12.62910923 Italy_Veneto
12.86715975 Spanish_Cataluna
13.34356024 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
13.35449737 Italy_Tuscany
13.62340633 Spanish_Galicia
13.87280433 Italy_Trentino
14.01254795 Italy_Emiliaromagna
14.13847587 Tuscan
14.98411159 France-South
15.24724565 Spanish_Aragon
15.25382575 Spanish_Cantabria
15.32523736 France_Corsica
15.54602200 Italy_Aostavalley
16.45054710 Southwest_French
16.82473477 Italy_Marche

[alnortedelsur]

My Eurogenes EUTest updated:

Target: Alnortedelsur
Distance: 0.2641% / 0.26414896
24.4 French_Basque
12.2 Scottish
8.2 North_Italian
5.4 Yoruba
5.4 Albanian_1
5.2 Spanish
4.4 Bedouin
4.4 French
4.4 Moroccan_Jew
4.0 Cypriot
2.8 Sardinian
2.4 Samaritan
2.0 Koryak
1.8 Nganassan
1.8 South_Italian_&_Sicilian
1.8 Greek_Crete_1
1.8 Moldavian_1
1.6 Erzya
1.0 North_Han_Chinese
0.8 UA_Sumy
0.6 English
0.6 Mozabite_Berber
0.6 Bulgarian_1
0.6 Kosovar_1
0.6 Latvian_1
0.4 Norwegian
0.2 Georgian
0.2 Greek
0.2 Kazakh
0.2 Polish

Target: Alnortedelsur
Distance: 2.6901% / 2.69006889 | ADC: 0.25x
40.4 Spanish
35.6 North_Italian
16.2 Mexican_1
2.8 Yoruba
2.4 Bedouin
2.0 Bulgarian_1
0.6 Palestinian_1

Distance to: Alnortedelsur
10.10399921 Portuguese
10.55792593 North_Italian
11.54394647 Spanish
14.01818105 French
15.06020584 Tuscan
15.25244571 Kosovar_1
16.09347073 Albanian_1
16.32932944 Bulgarian_1
18.01303695 Romanian
18.06123750 Austrian
18.32116536 Serbian
20.61218814 Hungarian
21.06934740 West_&_Central_German
21.59045159 Cornish
21.96631967 Dutch
22.15790999 SerbianBosnia
22.37507989 Maltese_1
22.43790320 Moldavian_1
22.91176117 Ashkenazi_Jew
22.94375514 English
23.13680401 Slovenian_1
23.73107456 South_Italian_&_Sicilian
23.88705442 Croatian
24.18992559 Orcadian
24.35211490 Irish

[Dunai]

Can you update the new Hungarian K13 averages?

Hungarian,30.53,32.45,14.28,7.08,10.63,1.18,0.81,0 .47,1.22,0.6,0.38,0.2,0.15
Hungarian_Alfold,29.3,33.19,14.5,7.03,10.87,1.19,0 .65,0.59,1.26,0.65,0.43,0.23,0.11
Hungarian_Budapest,31.32,32.24,14.32,7.3,9.96,1.11 ,0.77,0.49,1.2,0.61,0.28,0.29,0.09
Hungarian_Csango,27.24,29.39,15.24,7.75,12.54,1.61 ,1.36,1.45,2.06,0.79,0.37,0.09,0.13
Hungarian_Northern,31.31,35.61,12.85,6.07,9.39,0.8 1,1.05,0.51,1.07,0.55,0.47,0.17,0.13
Hungarian_Szekely,28.31,28.43,15.19,8.11,12.99,1.3 4,0.91,0.87,2.42,0.77,0.3,0.24,0.14
Hungarian_Transdanubia,32.11,31.82,14.17,7.12,10.4 4,1.06,0.59,0.4,0.94,0.58,0.43,0.11,0.21
Hungarian_Transylvania,28.76,29.06,15.52,7.99,11.9 6,1.60,1.11,0.61,2.03,0.71,0.34,0.11,0.13

[17571imre]

Can you update the new Hungarian K13 averages?

Hungarian,30.53,32.45,14.28,7.08,10.63,1.18,0.81,0 .46,1.22,0.60,0.38,0.20,0.15
Hungarian_Alfold,29.30,33.19,14.50,7.03,10.87,1.19 ,0.65,0.57,1.26,0.65,0.43,0.23,0.11
Hungarian_Budapest,31.32,32.24,14.32,7.30,9.96,1.1 1,0.77,0.49,1.20,0.61,0.28,0.29,0.09
Hungarian_Csango,27.24,29.39,15.24,7.75,12.54,1.61 ,1.36,1.45,2.06,0.79,0.37,0.09,0.13
Hungarian_Northern,31.31,35.61,12.85,6.07,9.39,0.8 1,1.05,0.51,1.07,0.55,0.47,0.17,0.13
Hungarian_Szekely,28.31,28.43,15.19,8.11,12.99,1.3 4,0.91,0.87,2.42,0.77,0.30,0.24,0.14
Hungarian_Transdanubia,32.11,31.82,14.17,7.12,10.4 4,1.06,0.59,0.40,0.94,0.58,0.43,0.11,0.21
Hungarian_Transylvania,28.76,29.06,15.52,7.99,11.9 6,1.60,1.11,0.61,2.03,0.71,0.34,0.11,0.13

my mothers results with new averages and only Austrian added:
Target: cb23andme
Distance: 3.5607% / 3.56074909
69.0 Hungarian_Szekely
17.8 Hungarian_Northern
13.2 Austrian

mine with West German and South Dutch added:
Target: mh
Distance: 2.9681% / 2.96809824
80.6 Hungarian_Szekely
19.4 West_German

its looking pretty good!

[J. Ketch]

Dodecad K12b updated


Distance to: Creoda
1.13401940 Dutch
2.13635203 CEU30
2.41072603 English
2.77884868 Mixed_Germanic
2.78343313 English_Kent
3.65595405 British_Isles
4.90367209 Argyll
5.09293628 Orkney
5.27105303 British
5.33760246 Orcadian
5.34138559 Irish
5.48689347 Cornwall
9.75950818 German
10.79057459 French
11.10063061 Norwegian
11.43345092 French
13.57610769 Bavarian_German
13.91308736 Swedish
17.13371238 Slovenian
17.59792886 Sorb_Lusatia
17.63909862 Slovak
18.98989205 Hungarians
20.74564774 Croat
21.00900399 Italy_Aosta_Valley
21.15129547 HUN_Szekely


Distance to: CreodaMum
2.93872421 Mixed_Germanic
4.04500927 Dutch
6.31427747 CEU30
6.35260576 English_Kent
6.56048017 English
6.84748859 German
7.68375559 British_Isles
9.09736775 Cornwall
9.26844647 British
9.36813749 Bavarian_German
9.45040211 Argyll
9.75428624 Orkney
9.87215782 Irish
9.94595898 Orcadian
10.04372441 French
10.60646501 French
13.05293837 Slovenian
13.23488194 Norwegian
14.47797292 Slovak
15.11879956 Swedish
15.19842426 Hungarians
15.31296183 Sorb_Lusatia
16.46273367 Croat
16.91333202 HUN_Szekely
17.96532772 Bosnian


Distance to: CreodaDad
2.28593526 Dutch
4.19779704 Mixed_Germanic
4.21894537 CEU30
4.45648965 English
4.88318544 British_Isles
5.08068893 English_Kent
5.63289446 Orkney
5.87107316 Argyll
6.27132362 Orcadian
6.49725327 Irish
7.08826495 British
7.56581126 Cornwall
8.59392227 German
8.75873849 Norwegian
11.42600105 Swedish
13.03987730 French
13.69189906 French
14.52906742 Bavarian_German
15.73966327 Sorb_Lusatia
16.26497156 Slovak
16.52050847 Slovenian
18.01653407 Hungarians
20.42884236 Croat
20.47419351 Ukrainian
21.29453451 HUN_Szekely

Target: Creoda
Distance: 0.5098% / 0.50983841 | ADC: 0.25x
69.4 Dutch
22.2 CEU30
6.0 Argyll
2.4 Mixed_Germanic

Target: CreodaMum
Distance: 1.4576% / 1.45764949 | ADC: 0.25x
38.2 Dutch
32.6 Mixed_Germanic
17.0 Bavarian_German
11.8 German
0.4 Pulliyar

Target: CreodaDad
Distance: 0.7160% / 0.71596799 | ADC: 0.25x
80.0 Dutch
18.6 Norwegian
1.4 Argyll

[Lucas]

New Staearsolina averages added to K13

Croat_Slavonia,27.81,33.94,14.06,8.36,11.84,1.78,0 .03,0.16,1.04,0.54,0.41,0.02,0.01
Croat_Istria_&_Kvarner,26.65,33.07,15.52,7.14,14.2 4,1.54,0.16,0.4 0,0.33,0.33,0.45,0.15,0.02
http://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/k13-vahaduo.htm

[Ion Basescul]

Please update the K13 averages for Romania_Moldavia_average, Romania_Moldavia_North and Romania_Moldavia_South.

Old
Romania_Moldavia_average,23.92,27.62,16.56,9.91,16 .68,1.51,0.58,0.43,1.36,0.63,0.46,0.16,0.16
Romania_Moldavia_North,23.82,28.53,15.49,10.61,16. 38,1.41,0.68,0.40,1.25,0.60,0.40,0.22,0.21
Romania_Moldavia_South,24.02,26.76,17.58,9.25,16.9 7,1.60,0.48,0.46,1.47,0.65,0.52,0.10,0.12

New
Romania_Moldavia_average,24.34,28.54,16.01,9.70,15 .75,1.70,0.73,0.53,1.23,0.66,0.52,0.14,0.15
Romania_Moldavia_North,24.73,29.80,14.95,9.49,15.2 5,1.63,0.81,0.53,1.32,0.62,0.56,0.17,0.15
Romania_Moldavia_South,23.84,26.94,17.37,9.96,16.3 8,1.78,0.63,0.53,1.13,0.71,0.48,0.09,0.15

These weren't added yet btw.

[Lucas]

These weren't added yet btw.

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[17571imre]

Can you update the new Hungarian K13 averages?

Hungarian,30.53,32.45,14.28,7.08,10.63,1.18,0.81,0 .47,1.22,0.6,0.38,0.2,0.15
Hungarian_Alfold,29.3,33.19,14.5,7.03,10.87,1.19,0 .65,0.59,1.26,0.65,0.43,0.23,0.11
Hungarian_Budapest,31.32,32.24,14.32,7.3,9.96,1.11 ,0.77,0.49,1.2,0.61,0.28,0.29,0.09
Hungarian_Csango,27.24,29.39,15.24,7.75,12.54,1.61 ,1.36,1.45,2.06,0.79,0.37,0.09,0.13
Hungarian_Northern,31.31,35.61,12.85,6.07,9.39,0.8 1,1.05,0.51,1.07,0.55,0.47,0.17,0.13
Hungarian_Szekely,28.31,28.43,15.19,8.11,12.99,1.3 4,0.91,0.87,2.42,0.77,0.3,0.24,0.14
Hungarian_Transdanubia,32.11,31.82,14.17,7.12,10.4 4,1.06,0.59,0.4,0.94,0.58,0.43,0.11,0.21
Hungarian_Transylvania,28.76,29.06,15.52,7.99,11.9 6,1.60,1.11,0.61,2.03,0.71,0.34,0.11,0.13

@Lukasz did you also updated these ones?

[Mingle]

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Can you add the ones that me, Kyp, and Harut made? We've posted them two months ago and they still haven't been added.

They're posts #1777-1780: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?310130-NEW!-All-Gedmatch-calculators-on-Vahaduo-ON-LINE/page178&p=6760468#post6760468

[vbnetkhio]

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could you add or update these?


Serb_Serbia,24.58,29.31,17.16,9.17,15.78,1.54,0.57 ,0.28,0.73,0.58,0.26,0.07,0.06
Serb_Serbia_South&East,23.30,28.05,17.20,9.59,17.78,1.93,0.58,0.14,0 .67,0.42,0.24,0.03,0.08
Serb_Serbia_West&Central,24.81,29.59,17.22,9.17,15.28,1.44,0.53,0.2 7,0.86,0.64,0.16,0.07,0.04
Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina,25.06,29.60,16.88,8.69,15.52 ,1.50,0.67,0.48,0.27,0.51,0.66,0.09,0.08
Serb_B&H,24.85,30.60,16.79,9.15,14.33,1.63,0.54,0.34,0.81 ,0.45,0.48,0.03,0.05
Serb_B&H_Krajina,24.09,30.43,17.43,9.97,14.29,1.32,0.46,0 .28,0.80,0.30,0.67,0.02,0.11
Serb_B&H_Bosnia_proper,25.87,31.26,16.23,8.33,13.67,1.71, 0.71,0.47,0.91,0.50,0.28,0.05,0.01
Serb_B&H_Herzegovina,23.78,28.62,16.48,9.14,17.22,2.61,0. 23,0.03,0.45,0.83,0.59,0.02,0.00
Serb_Croatia,25.61,29.11,16.88,9.44,15.19,1.49,0.7 1,0.31,0.47,0.37,0.32,0.06,0.02
Serb_Croatia_Lika,25.65,29.29,17.53,8.00,15.12,2.1 4,0.47,0.41,0.55,0.30,0.42,0.09,0.04
Serb_Croatia_Dalmatia,26.35,28.38,16.96,9.14,15.56 ,1.08,0.44,0.22,0.78,0.38,0.58,0.13,0.02
Serb_Croatia_Kordun&Banija,25.39,29.27,16.67,9.95,15.10,1.42,0.86,0.30 ,0.36,0.39,0.21,0.03,0.02
Montenegrin,24.59,25.60,18.00,10.24,17.34,2.29,0.2 1,0.24,0.71,0.43,0.25,0.02,0.07
Serb,24.72,29.37,17.10,9.23,15.55,1.57,0.57,0.29,0 .71,0.53,0.30,0.06,0.05

Dalmatia is new, and Bosnia Northeast and central is renamed into Bosnia proper.

this too:

Slovenian,31.53,34.36,14.60,6.52,9.66,1.01,0.64,0. 32,0.30,0.43,0.39,0.12,0.12

[Lucas]

@Lukasz did you also updated these ones?

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[Lucas]

could you add or update these?


Serb_Serbia,24.58,29.31,17.16,9.17,15.78,1.54,0.57 ,0.28,0.73,0.58,0.26,0.07,0.06
Serb_Serbia_South&East,23.30,28.05,17.20,9.59,17.78,1.93,0.58,0.14,0 .67,0.42,0.24,0.03,0.08
Serb_Serbia_West&Central,24.81,29.59,17.22,9.17,15.28,1.44,0.53,0.2 7,0.86,0.64,0.16,0.07,0.04
Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina,25.06,29.60,16.88,8.69,15.52 ,1.50,0.67,0.48,0.27,0.51,0.66,0.09,0.08
Serb_B&H,24.85,30.60,16.79,9.15,14.33,1.63,0.54,0.34,0.81 ,0.45,0.48,0.03,0.05
Serb_B&H_Krajina,24.09,30.43,17.43,9.97,14.29,1.32,0.46,0 .28,0.80,0.30,0.67,0.02,0.11
Serb_B&H_Bosnia_proper,25.87,31.26,16.23,8.33,13.67,1.71, 0.71,0.47,0.91,0.50,0.28,0.05,0.01
Serb_B&H_Herzegovina,23.78,28.62,16.48,9.14,17.22,2.61,0. 23,0.03,0.45,0.83,0.59,0.02,0.00
Serb_Croatia,25.61,29.11,16.88,9.44,15.19,1.49,0.7 1,0.31,0.47,0.37,0.32,0.06,0.02
Serb_Croatia_Lika,25.65,29.29,17.53,8.00,15.12,2.1 4,0.47,0.41,0.55,0.30,0.42,0.09,0.04
Serb_Croatia_Dalmatia,26.35,28.38,16.96,9.14,15.56 ,1.08,0.44,0.22,0.78,0.38,0.58,0.13,0.02
Serb_Croatia_Kordun&Banija,25.39,29.27,16.67,9.95,15.10,1.42,0.86,0.30 ,0.36,0.39,0.21,0.03,0.02
Montenegrin,24.59,25.60,18.00,10.24,17.34,2.29,0.2 1,0.24,0.71,0.43,0.25,0.02,0.07
Serb,24.72,29.37,17.10,9.23,15.55,1.57,0.57,0.29,0 .71,0.53,0.30,0.06,0.05

Dalmatia is new, and Bosnia Northeast and central is renamed into Bosnia proper.

this too:

Slovenian,31.53,34.36,14.60,6.52,9.66,1.01,0.64,0. 32,0.30,0.43,0.39,0.12,0.12

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[Lucas]

Harappaworld

n=6

Turkmen_Iran,5.70,24.89,33.11,9.99,0.77,7.13,7.47, 0.30,0.32,0.75,3.35,7.53,0.02,0,0.11,0.06

Dodecad k12b:
n=3


Udi_Azerbaijan,21.36,0.26,0.72,0.10,9.43,8.55,1.04 ,0.04,12.05,0.40,46.15,0


aaded

[Lucas]

Kazakh and Karakalpak for Eurogenes K15

Kazakh,7.77,2.66,5.04,10.54,0.88,10,2.34,0.34,3.77 ,19.94,35.2,2.14,0.16,0,0.06
Karakalpak,5.72,4.0,4.75,10.64,1.32,12.39,3.37,0.9 2,5.04,19.65,29.45,1.72,0.64,0.14,0.18

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[Lucas]

For HarappaWorld, I significantly increased the sample size for most of the ones below and added one new average. For Dodecad K12b, I added a bunch of new averages. vbnetkhio helped me a lot in making the averages for them.



HarappaWord

UPDATED

Pamiri_Rushan,8.62,32.02,21.09,23.50,0.35,3.40,1.8 1,0.25,1.71,1.28,4.50,1.35,0.04,0.04,0.03,0.01

Pamiri_Shughnan,9.69,32.05,19.97,22.43,0.08,3.36,2 .04,0.23,2.48,1.59,4.62,1.42,0.01,0.02,0,0.01

Pamiri_Ishkashim,12.89,32.88,19.40,20.74,0.37,3.74 ,2.96,0.60,1.76,0.98,2.90,0.75,0.00,0.00,0.04,0.00

Yaghnobi,5.04,30.44,25.89,21.69,0.23,3.46,1.64,0.3 2,1.38,0.95,5.35,3.60,0.02,0.00,0.00,0.00

Tajik_Kabul,18.64,32.97,20.40,11.60,0.76,2.89,4.42 ,0.24,1.17,0.95,2.59,3.20,0.02,0.03,0.02,0.15

Iranian_Mashhad,7.76,28.45,32.27,8.33,0.21,1.95,4. 03,0.43,0.59,0.45,5.93,8.88,0.02,0.11,0.10,0.15

NEW

Udi,0.89,21.91,46.31,8.64,0.25,0.15,0.24,0.54,0.14 ,0.30,8.13,12.43,0.05,0.00,0.03,0.00

Also, for HarappaWorld, can you rename "Tajik_Panjshir&Kapisa" to "Tajik_East_Afghanistan"?



Dodecad K12b

NEW

Pashtun_Yusafzai,37.17,2.04,0.03,0.55,2.17,13.48,2 4.02,0.08,2.80,1.16,16.33,0.16

Pashtun_Tarkalani,37.16,1.50,0.19,0.69,1.80,15.17, 21.64,0.19,3.63,1.12,16.78,0.19

Pashtun_Kandahar,35.75,2.18,0.13,0.25,3.21,15.45,1 6.59,0.25,4.09,1.93,20.12,0.07

Pashtun_Uthmankhel,36.96,2.46,0.00,0.36,2.57,15.39 ,21.95,0.00,3.11,0.78,16.28,0.14

Tajik_Kabul,33.15,3.36,0.07,0.62,3.55,12.61,18.75, 0.06,3.38,5.77,18.49,0.19

Tajik_Herat,30.91,4.43,0.13,0.10,5.19,11.91,11.88, 0.53,7.74,4.67,22.28,0.22

Tajik_East_Afghanistan,38.25,2.34,0.00,1.01,2.25,1 3.91,18.56,0.00,2.77,1.36,19.30,0.26

Pamiri_Shughnan,32.06,4.44,0.00,0.15,6.02,24.32,10 .09,0.08,1.93,3.56,17.36,0.01

Pamiri_Rushan,32.02,4.15,0.04,0.53,6.68,24.69,9.22 ,0.07,1.80,2.75,18.04,0.01

Pamiri_Ishkashim,32.91,4.60,0.00,0.49,4.38,22.36,1 3.64,0.06,1.30,3.74,16.52,0.00

I noticed there already exists an average labeled "Tajik_Pamiri". It should be removed as I made averages for all the Pamiri subgroups.

I would also have "AFG_Pashtun" and "AFG_Tajik" removed as these two are regionally mixed samples and not really properly representative of any regions of Pashtuns or Tajiks. They are decent averages but now there are more regional averages they can be replaced with.
done

[Leto]

I noticed there already exists an average labeled "Tajik_Pamiri". It should be removed as I made averages for all the Pamiri subgroups.
Hey Mingle. No it shouldn't be removed. I did it and don't think we should split such a small group into multiple ones. Let it remain.

[Lucas]

Hey Mingle. No it shouldn't be removed. I did it and don't think we should split such a small group into multiple ones. Let it remain.

Fuck removed. So send me again.

[Lucas]

As usual, if you want see changes in sheets, best Control + F5 or delete browser cache.

[Leto]

Fuck removed. So send me again.
Pamiri_Tajik,32.67,4.89,0,0.53,5.66,22.97,11.27,0. 10,1.35,3.69,16.84,0

Also can you remove Balanovsky2019 from the title? It's irrelevant. Just put Tajik_Tajikistan.

[Leto]

Can somebody update the Ashkenazi Jewish reference(s) for Dodecad K12b? The original ones are quite bad. Preferably Ukrainian/Polish/Belarusian/Lithuanian Jews.

[Kyp]

As usual, if you want see changes in sheets, best Control + F5 or delete browser cache.


Can somebody update the Ashkenazi Jewish reference(s) for Dodecad K12b? The original ones are quite bad. Preferably Ukrainian/Polish/Belarusian/Lithuanian Jews.

We also should reduce the amount of Kurdish samples, as they can take away too much space in top 25 populations:

Kurd,28.70,1.50,0.90,0.40,5.90,5.70,1.10,0.40,14.0 0,1.00,40.40,0.00
Kurd_KAZ,27.48,0.86,0.39,0.68,5.91,6.34,1.45,0.12, 13.92,0.16,42.69,0
Kurd_Kurmanji,24.19,1.39,1.15,0.18,8.64,7.09,2.59, 0.26,13.97,0.62,39.81,0.1
Kurd_Sorani,24.26,0.4,1.22,0.48,7.29,6.28,3.79,0.9 4,16,0.5,38.62,0.24
Kurds,28.20,0.60,0.00,0.60,6.30,6.70,0.80,0.10,14. 30,0.20,42.20,0.00


In my opinion we can delete "Kurd" and "Kurd_KAZ". "Kurd" looks like a bad old average and "Kurd_KAZ" is too irrelevant as they do not differ from other Kurds.

[Leto]

We also should reduce the amount of Kurdish samples, as they can take away too much space in top 25 populations:

Kurd,28.70,1.50,0.90,0.40,5.90,5.70,1.10,0.40,14.0 0,1.00,40.40,0.00
Kurd_KAZ,27.48,0.86,0.39,0.68,5.91,6.34,1.45,0.12, 13.92,0.16,42.69,0
Kurd_Kurmanji,24.19,1.39,1.15,0.18,8.64,7.09,2.59, 0.26,13.97,0.62,39.81,0.1
Kurd_Sorani,24.26,0.4,1.22,0.48,7.29,6.28,3.79,0.9 4,16,0.5,38.62,0.24
Kurds,28.20,0.60,0.00,0.60,6.30,6.70,0.80,0.10,14. 30,0.20,42.20,0.00


In my opinion we can delete "Kurd" and "Kurd_KAZ". "Kurd" looks like a bad old average and "Kurd_KAZ" is too irrelevant as they do not differ from other Kurds.
Let's remove "Kurd" and "Kurds", these two are from the original spreadsheet.

[Lucas]

Can somebody update the Ashkenazi Jewish reference(s) for Dodecad K12b? The original ones are quite bad. Preferably Ukrainian/Polish/Belarusian/Lithuanian Jews.

OK I will

[Lucas]

Let's remove "Kurd" and "Kurds", these two are from the original spreadsheet.

removed

[Mingle]

Hey Mingle. No it shouldn't be removed. I did it and don't think we should split such a small group into multiple ones. Let it remain.They're small in population but have their own diversity. Ishkashimis score very differently from Rushanis. Their genetic diversity is comparable to European groups that have multiple different averages on the other calculators.

[Lucas]

They're small in population but have their own diversity. Ishkashimis score very differently from Rushanis. Their genetic diversity is comparable to European groups that have multiple different averages on the other calculators.

Mingle you gave Davidski those Afghan Pashtun samples???

[Leto]

They're small in population but have their own diversity. Ishkashimis score very differently from Rushanis. Their genetic diversity is comparable to European groups that have multiple different averages on the other calculators.
They aren't so vastly different.

[Mingle]

Mingle you gave Davidski those Afghan Pashtun samples???I didn't give him any samples. The AFG Pashtuns he has are four samples from the Di Cristofaro study (included as part of the general "Pashtun" average - the other four "Pashtun" samples comprising the average are mainly outliers from HGDP). The other Pashtun averages like "Yusufzai", "Uthmankhel", and "Tarkalani" are from the Demgaard study.

[Aren]

I created some time ago averages for Scandinavia. Only people with Gedcoms. N=25+ for all the averages. I havn't shared them, but since this became so popular you might aswell add them.

Norway_South_Central,50.83,28.97,9.61,4.78,1.91,0. 62,0.94,0.11,0.63,0.68,0.56,0.13,0.23
Denmark,50.61,28.70,10.19,5.00,2.12,0.52,0.99,0.19 ,0.42,0.59,0.23,0.12,0.17
Sweden_Götaland,50.53,29.29,9.86,4.67,1.88,0.62,0. 93,0.21,0.69,0.55,0.41,0.18,0.2
Sweden_Svealand_West,49.72,30.6,9.57,4.11,1.75,0.4 6,1.03,0.19,1.05,0.53,0.45,0.27,0.27
Sweden_Svealand_East,46.74,34.13,8.85,3.92,1.19,0. 53,0.97,0.27,1.69,0.86,0.56,0.19,0.12

I have also averages for Assyrians and Syrian, Lebanese and Palestinian Christians but can't find them atm.

Edit: used only two decimals as suggested.

[Lucas]

I created some time ago averages for Scandinavia. Only people with Gedcoms. N=25+ for all the averages. I havn't shared them, but since this became so popular you might aswell add them.

Norway_South_Central,50.83,28.97,9.61,4.78,1.91,0. 62,0.94,0.11,0.63,0.68,0.56,0.13,0.23
Denmark,50.61,28.70,10.19,5.00,2.12,0.52,0.99,0.19 ,0.42,0.59,0.23,0.12,0.17
Sweden_Götaland,50.53,29.29,9.86,4.67,1.88,0.62,0. 93,0.21,0.69,0.55,0.41,0.18,0.2
Sweden_Svealand_West,49.72,30.6,9.57,4.11,1.75,0.4 6,1.03,0.19,1.05,0.53,0.45,0.27,0.27
Sweden_Svealand_East,46.74,34.13,8.85,3.92,1.19,0. 53,0.97,0.27,1.69,0.86,0.56,0.19,0.12

I have also averages for Assyrians and Syrian, Lebanese and Palestinian Christians but can't find them atm.

Edit: used only two decimals as suggested.
Thanks. Added to K13.

[Leto]

French & Swiss averages by Peterski. Lukasz, why do you reject 'em?


Eurogenes K13:


FRA_Central,42.40,18.28,20.55,4.81,9.80,1.59,0.49, 0.26,0.36,0.46,0.37,0.38,0.24
FRA_Alsace,40.65,22.72,16.81,6.48,9.58,1.60,0.39,0 .47,0.25,0.36,0.27,0.16,0.26
FRA_Armorica,48.53,22.11,15.45,5.52,4.38,1.00,1.19 ,0.25,0.31,0.59,0.29,0.22,0.17
FRA_Belgica,43.27,20.59,17.19,6.01,8.41,1.49,0.81, 0.36,0.38,0.48,0.30,0.27,0.43
FRA_Septimania,41.77,14.33,26.39,2.70,10.79,1.43,0 .55,0.18,0.26,0.58,0.53,0.33,0.17
FRA_Provence,35.19,14.10,22.05,6.40,17.59,2.34,0.3 6,0.26,0.26,0.40,0.37,0.42,0.24
FRA_Aquitania,48.61,8.24,32.74,0.95,5.49,1.52,0.92 ,0.35,0.26,0.27,0.31,0.20,0.14

Eurogenes K15:


FRA_Central,27.38,27.39,8.88,6.00,16.19,3.96,6.85, 1.54,0.33,0.16,0.21,0.29,0.25,0.37,0.19
FRA_Alsace,28.49,24.36,12.31,7.12,12.76,5.91,6.23, 1.50,0.20,0.31,0.14,0.20,0.14,0.13,0.19
FRA_Armorica,33.63,28.77,9.43,8.78,10.92,3.51,2.23 ,0.79,0.81,0.15,0.14,0.39,0.18,0.15,0.12
FRA_Belgica,30.06,25.90,9.94,7.14,13.16,4.86,5.19, 1.51,0.65,0.21,0.22,0.33,0.20,0.26,0.38
FRA_Septimania,23.44,30.07,6.86,5.00,20.86,2.32,7. 92,1.58,0.42,0.08,0.14,0.41,0.38,0.36,0.15
FRA_Provence,21.75,23.86,7.06,4.44,18.01,6.15,14.5 5,2.44,0.32,0.13,0.18,0.25,0.24,0.47,0.16
FRA_Aquitania,20.30,39.32,4.81,2.49,24.29,0.77,4.4 4,1.91,0.45,0.30,0.23,0.20,0.21,0.17,0.13

https://i.imgur.com/WwtEH3E.png

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Swiss German Eurogenes K13 and K15:


Swiss_German,41.14,21.44,17.58,6.72,10.25,1.25,0.3 0,0.10,0.30,0.38,0.36,0.11,0.08

Swiss_German,29.02,24.29,11.25,7.06,13.51,5.61,7.4 0,1.10,0.15,0.01,0.10,0.21,0.17,0.07,0.04

[Leto]

We also should reduce the amount of Kurdish samples, as they can take away too much space in top 25 populations:

Kurd,28.70,1.50,0.90,0.40,5.90,5.70,1.10,0.40,14.0 0,1.00,40.40,0.00
Kurd_KAZ,27.48,0.86,0.39,0.68,5.91,6.34,1.45,0.12, 13.92,0.16,42.69,0
Kurd_Kurmanji,24.19,1.39,1.15,0.18,8.64,7.09,2.59, 0.26,13.97,0.62,39.81,0.1
Kurd_Sorani,24.26,0.4,1.22,0.48,7.29,6.28,3.79,0.9 4,16,0.5,38.62,0.24
Kurds,28.20,0.60,0.00,0.60,6.30,6.70,0.80,0.10,14. 30,0.20,42.20,0.00


In my opinion we can delete "Kurd" and "Kurd_KAZ". "Kurd" looks like a bad old average and "Kurd_KAZ" is too irrelevant as they do not differ from other Kurds.
What are your thoughts on "Iranian", "Iranians"? Are they not redundant?

[Kyp]

What are your thoughts on "Iranian", "Iranians"? Are they not redundant?

Iran_Bandari,35.42,0.33,0.37,0.70,2.01,6.42,11.00, 1.81,11.25,0.00,25.24,5.46
Iran_Central_East,27.96,1.89,0.38,0.41,5.35,8.62,8 .65,0.55,12.57,0.81,33.71,0.24
Iran_Khorasan,26.72,2.83,0.00,0.52,5.58,9.43,7.49, 0.77,9.27,4.37,32.11,0.11
Iran_Mazandaran,31.99,0.58,0.22,0.38,2.85,6.87,5.9 0,0.47,11.19,0.00,39.51,0.14
Iranian,28.80,2.10,0.00,0.60,5.60,6.00,3.60,0.10,1 2.40,0.50,40.30,0.00
Iranian_Fars,27.45,0.89,1.31,0.74,5.59,6.25,6.10,1 .25,14.09,1.23,34.77,0.33
Iranian_Jews,18.80,0.40,1.80,0.40,6.80,0.00,0.00,0 .00,22.50,0.00,49.30,0.00
Iranians,30.90,1.00,0.90,0.30,5.90,4.20,4.20,0.90, 14.20,0.30,36.70,0.50


I think Iran_Central_East can be deleted as the sample size was too small for such a territory. I can also try to work on better averages in the coming days.

@Lucas: please delete "Iran_Central_East" and "Iranian" (it resembles Iranian_Fars)

[Lucas]

French & Swiss averages by Peterski. Lukasz, why do you reject 'em?

https://media.tenor.com/images/dc5d3da3bcaaa3abbafb5cbd90ad709d/tenor.gif

added

[Lucas]

Iran_Bandari,35.42,0.33,0.37,0.70,2.01,6.42,11.00, 1.81,11.25,0.00,25.24,5.46
Iran_Central_East,27.96,1.89,0.38,0.41,5.35,8.62,8 .65,0.55,12.57,0.81,33.71,0.24
Iran_Khorasan,26.72,2.83,0.00,0.52,5.58,9.43,7.49, 0.77,9.27,4.37,32.11,0.11
Iran_Mazandaran,31.99,0.58,0.22,0.38,2.85,6.87,5.9 0,0.47,11.19,0.00,39.51,0.14
Iranian,28.80,2.10,0.00,0.60,5.60,6.00,3.60,0.10,1 2.40,0.50,40.30,0.00
Iranian_Fars,27.45,0.89,1.31,0.74,5.59,6.25,6.10,1 .25,14.09,1.23,34.77,0.33
Iranian_Jews,18.80,0.40,1.80,0.40,6.80,0.00,0.00,0 .00,22.50,0.00,49.30,0.00
Iranians,30.90,1.00,0.90,0.30,5.90,4.20,4.20,0.90, 14.20,0.30,36.70,0.50


I think Iran_Central_East can be deleted as the sample size was too small for such a territory. I can also try to work on better averages in the coming days.

@Lucas: please delete "Iran_Central_East" and "Iranian" (it resembles Iranian_Fars)

done

[Leto]

https://media.tenor.com/images/dc5d3da3bcaaa3abbafb5cbd90ad709d/tenor.gif

added
Only to K15, not K13?

[Aren]

I divided the Assyrian average. N=30+ for all three averages. Maybe remove the old one.

Assyrian_North,1.47,1.33,11.83,32.9,39.46,8.42,3.4 7,0.22,0.16,0.14,0.31,0.21,0.07
Assyrian_West,2.19,0.82,12.21,32.35,39.76,8.61,2.9 2,0.22,0.12,0.16,0.29,0.18,0.16
Assyrian_South,1.57,1.07,11.78,32.43,39.52,8.73,3. 49,0.32,0.12,0.19,0.3,0.32,0.12

Iraqi Jewish(N=20) and Mandean(N=16).
Iraqi_Jew,0.25,0.32,10.98,30.03,43.49,10.3,3.2,0.3 2,0.05,0.04,0.32,0.69,0
Mandean,1.8,0.35,9.34,31.52,39.83,10.23,5.62,0.02, 0.09,0.15,0.19,0.71,0.12

[Lucas]

Only to K15, not K13?

both, as usual Control + F5

[Lucas]

I divided the Assyrian average. N=30+ for all three averages. Maybe remove the old one.

Assyrian_North,1.47,1.33,11.83,32.9,39.46,8.42,3.4 7,0.22,0.16,0.14,0.31,0.21,0.07
Assyrian_West,2.19,0.82,12.21,32.35,39.76,8.61,2.9 2,0.22,0.12,0.16,0.29,0.18,0.16
Assyrian_South,1.57,1.07,11.78,32.43,39.52,8.73,3. 49,0.32,0.12,0.19,0.3,0.32,0.12

Iraqi Jewish(N=20) and Mandean(N=16).
Iraqi_Jew,0.25,0.32,10.98,30.03,43.49,10.3,3.2,0.3 2,0.05,0.04,0.32,0.69,0
Mandean,1.8,0.35,9.34,31.52,39.83,10.23,5.62,0.02, 0.09,0.15,0.19,0.71,0.12

What is Assyrian division on the map? North are Assyrians from Transcaucasia?

[Leto]

Iraqi Jewish(N=20) and Mandean(N=16).
Iraqi_Jew,0.25,0.32,10.98,30.03,43.49,10.3,3.2,0.3 2,0.05,0.04,0.32,0.69,0
Mandean,1.8,0.35,9.34,31.52,39.83,10.23,5.62,0.02, 0.09,0.15,0.19,0.71,0.12
The Iraqi Jews seem to be the purest Juice out there, closest the original ones. Do you have Bukharan Jews by any chance?

[Aren]

What is Assyrian division on the map? North are Assyrians from Transcaucasia?
No, it's purely based on our traditional homeland prior to the upheavals of WW1.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c1/Syriac_Dialects_EN.svg

Assyrian_West= The Western Syriac dialects, the red area basically.
Assyrian_South= Nineveh plain dialects
Assyrian_North= The rest of the blue-purple area.
Most of the Assyrians in Armenia and Georgia fled there during WW1.

The Iraqi Jews seem to be the purest Juice out there, closest the original ones. Do you have Bukharan Jews by any chance?
I don't but they should be close to Iranian Jews.

[Lucas]

Most of the Assyrians in Armenia and Georgia fled there during WW1.
.

And my point is if academic samples which in large part are from them aren't affected by mixing with Armenians and Georgians?

[Aren]

And my point is if academic samples which in large part are from them (from example those form Pagani are from Armenia) aren't affected by mixing with Armenians and Georgians?

Probably. Assyrians in Armenia and Georgia are a really small minority.

[Lucas]

I divided the Assyrian average. N=30+ for all three averages. Maybe remove the old one.

Assyrian_North,1.47,1.33,11.83,32.9,39.46,8.42,3.4 7,0.22,0.16,0.14,0.31,0.21,0.07
Assyrian_West,2.19,0.82,12.21,32.35,39.76,8.61,2.9 2,0.22,0.12,0.16,0.29,0.18,0.16
Assyrian_South,1.57,1.07,11.78,32.43,39.52,8.73,3. 49,0.32,0.12,0.19,0.3,0.32,0.12

Iraqi Jewish(N=20) and Mandean(N=16).
Iraqi_Jew,0.25,0.32,10.98,30.03,43.49,10.3,3.2,0.3 2,0.05,0.04,0.32,0.69,0
Mandean,1.8,0.35,9.34,31.52,39.83,10.23,5.62,0.02, 0.09,0.15,0.19,0.71,0.12

K13? Added.

[J. Ketch]

French & Swiss averages by Peterski. Lukasz, why do you reject 'em?
One of those French averages is not right (Provence I think, it's strongly North Italian). Also the names shouldn't be of ancient tribes.

[Peterski]

One of those French averages is not right (Provence I think, it's strongly North Italian). Also the names shouldn't be of ancient tribes.

I made two Provence averages, one using southern-shifted samples one using northern-shifted samples. Because the two groups have nothing in common.

Septimanian is a name that for example French TA user Ilma used to describe her ancestry, so I'm not sure why do you think these names are not in use anymore?

[Peterski]

It doesn't make sense to make one average for a region, if there are two distinct genetic groups in this region.

It would be like making one average for "Pre-War Warsaw" and averaging together ethnic Polish and Jewish samples.

In Provence some individuals are North Italian genetically and others are Central French. These are academic samples.

[J. Ketch]

I made two Provence averages, one using southern-shifted samples one using northern-shifted samples. Because the two groups have nothing in common.

Septimanian is a name that for example French TA user Ilma used to describe her ancestry, so I'm not sure why do you think these names are not in use anymore?
I didn't know what Septimania was, so I'm sure many others wouldn't as well. It's an historical name. Modern regional names should be used for modern people. Belgica = French_North, Armorica = French_Northwest, Aquitania = French_Southwest.

The North Italian-like Provence average should be called Provence_outlier or something.

[Peterski]

The North Italian-like Provence average should be called Provence_outlier or something.

But they were not outliers, they were about 50% of entire sample? :)

In that thread I posted K15 results of all individual Provence samples.

About half were northern-shifted and the other half southern-shifted.

If "Southerners" were just a small minority I would ignore them.

[J. Ketch]

But they were not outliers, they were about 50% of entire sample? :)
And those 50% had all French names in their GEDCOMs?

[Peterski]

And those 50% had all French names in their GEDCOMs?

Those were all academic samples, not GEDmatch.

There are 30 samples from Provence, and actually 18 of them are southern and only 12 are northern.

So "Southerners" are the majority of all samples:

Provence_North:

K13:


Provence_North1,43.4,15.03,20.62,7.47,9.79,1.67,0. 6,0,0,0.2,0.63,0,0.6
Provence_North2,41.67,17.52,17.34,7.99,8.2,5.15,0. 54,0,0.97,0.2,0.42,0,0
Provence_North3,40.46,25.89,18.46,1.68,10.3,0,1.52 ,0,0,0.49,0,1.21,0
Provence_North4,42.23,15.28,22.22,8.16,9.26,0.72,0 .2,1.22,0,0,0,0,0.72
Provence_North5,35.28,17.97,21.73,8.66,10.05,1.96, 0,1.05,0,0.45,1.37,0,1.49
Provence_North6,40.37,17.01,23.71,2.36,13.63,0.54, 0,0,0,0,0.92,1.29,0.16
Provence_North7,43.98,17.81,20.87,0.72,11.56,2.24, 0,1.63,0,0,0.57,0.63,0
Provence_North8,40.22,17.44,17.83,4.5,12.66,2.78,0 ,0.21,0.85,0.19,0,0.51,2.79
Provence_North9,42.31,16.77,26.78,2.09,8.95,1.12,0 ,0.44,0,0.31,0,0.39,0.84
Provence_North10,39.54,13.81,24.37,6.19,9.84,3.2,0 ,1.64,0,0.42,0,0.74,0.24
Provence_North11,36.98,18.09,24.67,6.88,10.66,1.24 ,0.52,0,0,0.34,0.61,0,0
Provence_North12,43.21,16.52,18.34,6.57,9.48,2.89, 1.33,0,0.16,0,1.1,0.39,0

K15:


Provence_North1,30.27,24.64,7.68,3.56,17.6,7.15,5. 94,1.69,0.24,0,0,0.02,0.56,0,0.65
Provence_North2,27.89,25.66,8.76,5.92,13.03,5.79,7 .31,4.38,0.33,0,0.74,0,0.2,0,0
Provence_North3,25.81,25.78,13.7,10.76,14.29,0.03, 7.88,0,0.55,0,0,0.07,0,1.14,0
Provence_North4,27.39,26.64,8.73,3.53,17.39,8.49,4 .92,1.51,0,0.71,0,0,0,0.11,0.58
Provence_North5,25.84,20.18,8.47,6.12,18.79,9.04,6 .04,1.88,0,0.87,0,0.22,1.3,0,1.24
Provence_North6,30.26,22.82,8.81,3.66,19.37,2.2,10 .36,0.56,0,0,0,0,0.57,1.14,0.24
Provence_North7,28.01,27.46,7.45,6.54,17.39,0,8.44 ,2.41,0,1.17,0,0,0.57,0.57,0
Provence_North8,28.91,21.37,8.33,6.28,14.27,4.94,9 .82,2.36,0,0.07,0.26,0.04,0,0.79,2.56
Provence_North9,29.8,24.05,10.05,3.32,23.5,2.76,3. 77,1.04,0,0.08,0,0.12,0,1.1,0.41
Provence_North10,26.31,23.84,4.01,7.55,20.31,4.92, 7.43,3.42,0,1.16,0,0.2,0,0.77,0.07
Provence_North11,21.56,25.75,11.58,5.75,19.38,5.46 ,9.16,0.88,0,0,0,0.05,0.44,0,0
Provence_North12,30.49,25.99,5.32,6.29,15.04,6.65, 4.41,3.38,1.07,0,0,0,1.03,0.33,0

Provence_South:

K13:


Provence_South1,38.01,15.74,21.09,5.5,15.31,1.4,2. 13,0.2,0,0.12,0.19,0.32,0
Provence_South2,34.84,10.76,20.98,9.2,17.29,3.87,1 .25,0.24,0,0,0.31,1.25,0
Provence_South3,37.18,12.56,22.99,5.03,17.45,2.88, 0,0.04,0.78,0,0.73,0.36,0
Provence_South4,33.38,12.24,29.99,5.74,17.21,0.05, 0,0.16,0,0.66,0,0.56,0
Provence_South5,32.96,19.11,23.18,6.29,16.25,1.07, 0,0,0,0,0.64,0,0.5
Provence_South6,32.61,10.25,22.42,8.39,20.01,2.57, 1.07,0,0,1.84,0,0.85,0
Provence_South7,29.98,11.9,19.58,6.12,25.01,3.87,0 ,0.78,0,0.92,0,1.84,0
Provence_South8,33.27,16.64,22.04,6.47,15.33,3.64, 0,0,0,1.19,0,0,1.42
Provence_South9,34.37,7.33,27.94,3.74,21.32,2.31,0 ,0,0,0.6,0.59,1.8,0
Provence_South10,33.61,15.06,17.32,10.01,19.14,2.9 8,0,1.41,0,0,0,0,0.47
Provence_South11,37.62,14.69,21.09,5.11,17.95,0,1. 69,0,0.36,0,1.48,0,0
Provence_South12,39.65,15.11,22.5,4.9,11.83,3.45,0 ,0,1.82,0.07,0.69,0,0
Provence_South13,40.68,19.36,19.86,0.24,17.43,0.9, 0,1.24,0,0,0,0,0.29
Provence_South14,29.56,14.15,19.26,10.43,19.4,4.46 ,0,0,0,1.21,0.57,0,0.94
Provence_South15,31.84,15.14,22.22,6.33,20.21,1.36 ,0,0,1.53,0.23,0.58,0.06,0.49
Provence_South16,39.52,16.24,20.17,7.23,14.02,2.13 ,0,0,0,0,0.59,0.1,0
Provence_South17,39.12,13.50,22.18,8.15,13.81,2.82 ,0,0.42,0,0,0,0,0
Provence_South18,37.08,16,23.93,4.92,12.07,3.42,0, 0.95,0.81,0.25,0.35,0,0.2

K15:


Provence_South1,22.34,25.64,10.82,2.99,16.57,4.75, 13.02,1.52,2.04,0,0,0,0,0.3,0
Provence_South2,19.65,26.11,5.72,2.22,17.05,7.85,1 5.02,3.78,1.1,0.08,0,0,0.13,1.29,0
Provence_South3,23.54,24.02,2.07,7.03,20.31,3.78,1 5.66,2.5,0,0,0.26,0,0.55,0.28,0
Provence_South4,13.26,28.75,7.69,5.28,24.29,6.39,1 2.95,0.68,0,0,0,0.31,0,0.4,0
Provence_South5,19.07,23.66,9.74,8.79,18.03,5.5,13 .81,1.11,0,0,0,0,0.18,0,0.1
Provence_South6,19.45,22.47,3.13,5.55,18.82,8.58,1 6.29,2.66,0.8,0,0,1.39,0,0.85,0
Provence_South7,18.35,21.53,6.01,3.41,15.6,6.83,21 .67,3.54,0,0.37,0,0.44,0,2.25,0
Provence_South8,17.65,24.84,8.93,6.34,18.15,5.25,1 3.55,3.4,0,0,0,0.79,0,0,1.09
Provence_South9,20.77,23.17,3.32,0.39,23.83,5.15,1 8.41,2.19,0,0,0,0.3,0.44,2.03,0
Provence_South10,25.42,18.27,7.94,3.8,13.93,10.46, 15.29,3.37,0,1.01,0,0,0,0,0.52
Provence_South11,19.45,29.97,10.41,2.29,15.2,4.41, 15.58,0,1.42,0,0.07,0,1.12,0,0.07
Provence_South12,25.84,25.58,7.31,3.38,18.88,5.21, 8.24,3.59,0,0,1.62,0,0.34,0,0
Provence_South13,26.88,26.07,7.91,6.97,17.04,0,12. 86,1.44,0,0.71,0,0,0,0,0.13
Provence_South14,20.07,21.5,7.42,2.89,14.4,8.75,18 .48,4.13,0,0,0,0.99,0.57,0,0.79
Provence_South15,21.58,19.03,8.04,5.84,18.37,7.27, 15.84,1.91,0,0,1.05,0.04,0.47,0.54,0
Provence_South16,27.32,23.67,8.42,3.27,16.72,7.44, 10.62,2.27,0,0,0,0,0.27,0,0
Provence_South17,29.13,21.36,5.08,5.01,19.02,6.85, 10.10,3.45,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
Provence_South18,17.97,29.78,8.86,6.01,18.21,5.9,7 .87,3.65,0,1.11,0.37,0,0.28,0,0

^^^
Provence_South_Average(n=18):

K13:


FRA_Provence_South,35.29,14.21,22.15,6.32,17.28,2. 40,0.34,0.30,0.29,0.39,0.37,0.40,0.24

K15:


FRA_Provence_South,21.54,24.19,7.16,4.53,18.02,6.1 3,14.18,2.51,0.30,0.18,0.19,0.24,0.24,0.44,0.15

Provence_North_Average(n=12):

K13:


FRA_Provence_North,40.80,17.43,21.41,5.27,10.37,1. 96,0.39,0.52,0.17,0.22,0.47,0.43,0.57

K15:


FRA_Provence_North,27.71,24.52,8.57,5.77,17.53,4.7 9,7.12,1.96,0.18,0.34,0.08,0.06,0.39,0.50,0.48

Why should I exclude as outliers the group that is actually in majority?

[J. Ketch]

Those were all academic samples, not GEDmatch.

There are 30 samples from Provence, and actually 18 of them are southern and only 12 are northern.

So "Southerners" are the majority of all samples:

Provence_North:

K13:


Provence_North1,43.4,15.03,20.62,7.47,9.79,1.67,0. 6,0,0,0.2,0.63,0,0.6
Provence_North2,41.67,17.52,17.34,7.99,8.2,5.15,0. 54,0,0.97,0.2,0.42,0,0
Provence_North3,40.46,25.89,18.46,1.68,10.3,0,1.52 ,0,0,0.49,0,1.21,0
Provence_North4,42.23,15.28,22.22,8.16,9.26,0.72,0 .2,1.22,0,0,0,0,0.72
Provence_North5,35.28,17.97,21.73,8.66,10.05,1.96, 0,1.05,0,0.45,1.37,0,1.49
Provence_North6,40.37,17.01,23.71,2.36,13.63,0.54, 0,0,0,0,0.92,1.29,0.16
Provence_North7,43.98,17.81,20.87,0.72,11.56,2.24, 0,1.63,0,0,0.57,0.63,0
Provence_North8,40.22,17.44,17.83,4.5,12.66,2.78,0 ,0.21,0.85,0.19,0,0.51,2.79
Provence_North9,42.31,16.77,26.78,2.09,8.95,1.12,0 ,0.44,0,0.31,0,0.39,0.84
Provence_North10,39.54,13.81,24.37,6.19,9.84,3.2,0 ,1.64,0,0.42,0,0.74,0.24
Provence_North11,36.98,18.09,24.67,6.88,10.66,1.24 ,0.52,0,0,0.34,0.61,0,0
Provence_North12,43.21,16.52,18.34,6.57,9.48,2.89, 1.33,0,0.16,0,1.1,0.39,0

K15:


Provence_North1,30.27,24.64,7.68,3.56,17.6,7.15,5. 94,1.69,0.24,0,0,0.02,0.56,0,0.65
Provence_North2,27.89,25.66,8.76,5.92,13.03,5.79,7 .31,4.38,0.33,0,0.74,0,0.2,0,0
Provence_North3,25.81,25.78,13.7,10.76,14.29,0.03, 7.88,0,0.55,0,0,0.07,0,1.14,0
Provence_North4,27.39,26.64,8.73,3.53,17.39,8.49,4 .92,1.51,0,0.71,0,0,0,0.11,0.58
Provence_North5,25.84,20.18,8.47,6.12,18.79,9.04,6 .04,1.88,0,0.87,0,0.22,1.3,0,1.24
Provence_North6,30.26,22.82,8.81,3.66,19.37,2.2,10 .36,0.56,0,0,0,0,0.57,1.14,0.24
Provence_North7,28.01,27.46,7.45,6.54,17.39,0,8.44 ,2.41,0,1.17,0,0,0.57,0.57,0
Provence_North8,28.91,21.37,8.33,6.28,14.27,4.94,9 .82,2.36,0,0.07,0.26,0.04,0,0.79,2.56
Provence_North9,29.8,24.05,10.05,3.32,23.5,2.76,3. 77,1.04,0,0.08,0,0.12,0,1.1,0.41
Provence_North10,26.31,23.84,4.01,7.55,20.31,4.92, 7.43,3.42,0,1.16,0,0.2,0,0.77,0.07
Provence_North11,21.56,25.75,11.58,5.75,19.38,5.46 ,9.16,0.88,0,0,0,0.05,0.44,0,0
Provence_North12,30.49,25.99,5.32,6.29,15.04,6.65, 4.41,3.38,1.07,0,0,0,1.03,0.33,0

Provence_South:

K13:


Provence_South1,38.01,15.74,21.09,5.5,15.31,1.4,2. 13,0.2,0,0.12,0.19,0.32,0
Provence_South2,34.84,10.76,20.98,9.2,17.29,3.87,1 .25,0.24,0,0,0.31,1.25,0
Provence_South3,37.18,12.56,22.99,5.03,17.45,2.88, 0,0.04,0.78,0,0.73,0.36,0
Provence_South4,33.38,12.24,29.99,5.74,17.21,0.05, 0,0.16,0,0.66,0,0.56,0
Provence_South5,32.96,19.11,23.18,6.29,16.25,1.07, 0,0,0,0,0.64,0,0.5
Provence_South6,32.61,10.25,22.42,8.39,20.01,2.57, 1.07,0,0,1.84,0,0.85,0
Provence_South7,29.98,11.9,19.58,6.12,25.01,3.87,0 ,0.78,0,0.92,0,1.84,0
Provence_South8,33.27,16.64,22.04,6.47,15.33,3.64, 0,0,0,1.19,0,0,1.42
Provence_South9,34.37,7.33,27.94,3.74,21.32,2.31,0 ,0,0,0.6,0.59,1.8,0
Provence_South10,33.61,15.06,17.32,10.01,19.14,2.9 8,0,1.41,0,0,0,0,0.47
Provence_South11,37.62,14.69,21.09,5.11,17.95,0,1. 69,0,0.36,0,1.48,0,0
Provence_South12,39.65,15.11,22.5,4.9,11.83,3.45,0 ,0,1.82,0.07,0.69,0,0
Provence_South13,40.68,19.36,19.86,0.24,17.43,0.9, 0,1.24,0,0,0,0,0.29
Provence_South14,29.56,14.15,19.26,10.43,19.4,4.46 ,0,0,0,1.21,0.57,0,0.94
Provence_South15,31.84,15.14,22.22,6.33,20.21,1.36 ,0,0,1.53,0.23,0.58,0.06,0.49
Provence_South16,39.52,16.24,20.17,7.23,14.02,2.13 ,0,0,0,0,0.59,0.1,0
Provence_South17,39.12,13.50,22.18,8.15,13.81,2.82 ,0,0.42,0,0,0,0,0
Provence_South18,37.08,16,23.93,4.92,12.07,3.42,0, 0.95,0.81,0.25,0.35,0,0.2

K15:


Provence_South1,22.34,25.64,10.82,2.99,16.57,4.75, 13.02,1.52,2.04,0,0,0,0,0.3,0
Provence_South2,19.65,26.11,5.72,2.22,17.05,7.85,1 5.02,3.78,1.1,0.08,0,0,0.13,1.29,0
Provence_South3,23.54,24.02,2.07,7.03,20.31,3.78,1 5.66,2.5,0,0,0.26,0,0.55,0.28,0
Provence_South4,13.26,28.75,7.69,5.28,24.29,6.39,1 2.95,0.68,0,0,0,0.31,0,0.4,0
Provence_South5,19.07,23.66,9.74,8.79,18.03,5.5,13 .81,1.11,0,0,0,0,0.18,0,0.1
Provence_South6,19.45,22.47,3.13,5.55,18.82,8.58,1 6.29,2.66,0.8,0,0,1.39,0,0.85,0
Provence_South7,18.35,21.53,6.01,3.41,15.6,6.83,21 .67,3.54,0,0.37,0,0.44,0,2.25,0
Provence_South8,17.65,24.84,8.93,6.34,18.15,5.25,1 3.55,3.4,0,0,0,0.79,0,0,1.09
Provence_South9,20.77,23.17,3.32,0.39,23.83,5.15,1 8.41,2.19,0,0,0,0.3,0.44,2.03,0
Provence_South10,25.42,18.27,7.94,3.8,13.93,10.46, 15.29,3.37,0,1.01,0,0,0,0,0.52
Provence_South11,19.45,29.97,10.41,2.29,15.2,4.41, 15.58,0,1.42,0,0.07,0,1.12,0,0.07
Provence_South12,25.84,25.58,7.31,3.38,18.88,5.21, 8.24,3.59,0,0,1.62,0,0.34,0,0
Provence_South13,26.88,26.07,7.91,6.97,17.04,0,12. 86,1.44,0,0.71,0,0,0,0,0.13
Provence_South14,20.07,21.5,7.42,2.89,14.4,8.75,18 .48,4.13,0,0,0,0.99,0.57,0,0.79
Provence_South15,21.58,19.03,8.04,5.84,18.37,7.27, 15.84,1.91,0,0,1.05,0.04,0.47,0.54,0
Provence_South16,27.32,23.67,8.42,3.27,16.72,7.44, 10.62,2.27,0,0,0,0,0.27,0,0
Provence_South17,29.13,21.36,5.08,5.01,19.02,6.85, 10.10,3.45,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
Provence_South18,17.97,29.78,8.86,6.01,18.21,5.9,7 .87,3.65,0,1.11,0.37,0,0.28,0,0

^^^
Provence_South_Average(n=18):

K13:


FRA_Provence_South,35.29,14.21,22.15,6.32,17.28,2. 40,0.34,0.30,0.29,0.39,0.37,0.40,0.24

K15:


FRA_Provence_South,21.54,24.19,7.16,4.53,18.02,6.1 3,14.18,2.51,0.30,0.18,0.19,0.24,0.24,0.44,0.15

Provence_North_Average(n=12):

K13:


FRA_Provence_North,40.80,17.43,21.41,5.27,10.37,1. 96,0.39,0.52,0.17,0.22,0.47,0.43,0.57

K15:


FRA_Provence_North,27.71,24.52,8.57,5.77,17.53,4.7 9,7.12,1.96,0.18,0.34,0.08,0.06,0.39,0.50,0.48

Why should I exclude as outliers the group that is actually in majority?
Whatever, they're obviously descendants of recent Italian immigration, you should at least combine them with the more French samples.

[Peterski]

Whatever, they're obviously descendants of recent Italian immigration

Based on what? They are 60% of the whole samples. Provence is near Italian border.

To me, some of the 12 Provence_North samples look more out of place, for example:

Distance to: Provence_North8
5.75518028 Swiss_German
6.65942940 Austria-Tyrol
6.69130032 Italy_Aostavalley
6.98003582 FRA_Alsace
7.36030570 FRA_Belgica

Distance to: Provence_North3
8.17110764 Swiss_German
8.22175164 German_Bavarian
8.22187327 FRA_Alsace
8.61930392 FRA_Central
8.74318020 South_Dutch

Distance to: Provence_North12
5.85830180 FRA_Belgica
6.60568694 FRA_Central
7.50445201 Belgium
7.58744357 South_Dutch
7.75107089 Swiss_German
7.78271803 Italy_Aostavalley
8.40116063 FRA_Alsace

You can make one average from all 30 if you want, or experiment how to group them.

[Peterski]

By the way, ITA Aosta Valley is quite similar to FRA Rhone-Alpes.

So why shouldn't Provence be more southern-shifted than Aosta?

Provence is located to the south of Rhone-Alpes after all.

Coastal Provence was inhabited by the Ligures in ancient times.

[Jana]

Based on what? They are 60% of the whole samples. Provence is near Italian border.

To me, some of the 12 Provence_North samples look more out of place, for example:

Distance to: Provence_North8
5.75518028 Swiss_German
6.65942940 Austria-Tyrol
6.69130032 Italy_Aostavalley
6.98003582 FRA_Alsace
7.36030570 FRA_Belgica

Distance to: Provence_North3
8.17110764 Swiss_German
8.22175164 German_Bavarian
8.22187327 FRA_Alsace
8.61930392 FRA_Central
8.74318020 South_Dutch

Distance to: Provence_North12
5.85830180 FRA_Belgica
6.60568694 FRA_Central
7.50445201 Belgium
7.58744357 South_Dutch
7.75107089 Swiss_German
7.78271803 Italy_Aostavalley
8.40116063 FRA_Alsace

You can make one average from all 30 if you want, or experiment how to group them.

They are not out of place, Petalpusher mother is Provencal and plots like that.

Only coast of Provence is north Italian like on average and there is lot of recent Italian ancestry too.

Bit deper inland things change a lot.

[Peterski]

They are not out of place

Provence_North12 could pass as a local in Calais.

That's the opposite end of France than Provence.

[Leto]

I divided the Assyrian average. N=30+ for all three averages. Maybe remove the old one.

Assyrian_North,1.47,1.33,11.83,32.9,39.46,8.42,3.4 7,0.22,0.16,0.14,0.31,0.21,0.07
Assyrian_West,2.19,0.82,12.21,32.35,39.76,8.61,2.9 2,0.22,0.12,0.16,0.29,0.18,0.16
Assyrian_South,1.57,1.07,11.78,32.43,39.52,8.73,3. 49,0.32,0.12,0.19,0.3,0.32,0.12

Iraqi Jewish(N=20) and Mandean(N=16).
Iraqi_Jew,0.25,0.32,10.98,30.03,43.49,10.3,3.2,0.3 2,0.05,0.04,0.32,0.69,0
Mandean,1.8,0.35,9.34,31.52,39.83,10.23,5.62,0.02, 0.09,0.15,0.19,0.71,0.12
Azerbaijani Jewish


Azerbaijani_Jewish,2.94,1.40,11.63,32.90,37.45,7.8 1,3.97,0.06,0.31,0.62,0.13,0.20,0.58

@Lucas, add this too.

[Aren]

Whatever, they're obviously descendants of recent Italian immigration, you should at least combine them with the more French samples.

There’s absolutely no trusting in academic samples from France, that’s for sure.

[Peterski]

There’s absolutely no trusting in academic samples from France, that’s for sure.

Well back in 2016/2017 I was telling here and on Anthrogenica that GEDmatch kits with GEDCOMs are superior to academic samples.

All the autists cried that I must use academic samples because they are unbiased. Now all the autists cry the opposite. Quite funny?

[Lucas]

Azerbaijani Jewish


Azerbaijani_Jewish,2.94,1.40,11.63,32.90,37.45,7.8 1,3.97,0.06,0.31,0.62,0.13,0.20,0.58

@Lucas, add this too.
Added. Please everyone write also for which calc it is.

[vbnetkhio]

Lucas, could you add all these to k13 ancient?


scy192_Moldova_Scythian.SG_1650_ybp,19.33,15.87,24 .64,13.25,21.59,2.68,0.53,0,0.91,0.42,0.76,0,0.01
scy197_Moldova_Scythian.SG_1650_ybp,21.77,15.56,27 .21,8.22,20.8,4.53,0,0,1.91,0,0,0,0
scy305_Moldova_Scythian.SG_2254_ybp,27.8,11.06,20. 79,10.94,21.92,0,3.07,0,1.66,1.84,0.29,0.65,0
scy300_Moldova_Scythian.SG_2253_ybp,26.39,9.87,23. 35,10.37,23.25,3.55,0,1.09,0,2.13,0,0,0
scy311_Moldova_Scythian.SG_2247_ybp,29.28,14.3,13. 36,17.27,14.15,1.64,3.11,3.04,1.27,2.34,0.24,0,0
scy301_Moldova_Scythian.SG_2248_ybp,22.72,23.94,11 .96,18.97,11.8,0,1.4,1.01,4.38,3.04,0,0,0.77
scy303_Moldova_Scythian_o2.SG_2242_ybp,45.53,29.8, 10.39,4.74,4.1,0,3.03,0,0,1.01,1.31,0.09,0

ScythianMoldova_SCY311_Moldova_389-204_BC,38.58,18.93,18.02,11.92,11.13,0,0,0,0,0,0,0 ,1.43
ScythianMoldova_SCY300_Moldova_397-209_BC,34.52,9.33,30.97,6.42,18.53,0.22,0,0,0,0,0, 0,0
ScythianMoldova_SCY197_Moldova_288502632_BC,33.89, 13.8,29,2.16,20.45,0.7,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
scy192_scythian_2863_2503bce_,28,13.64,31.82,6.93, 19.38,0.22,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
scy301_scythian_Moldova_390_205bce_,34.99,26.02,14 .27,15.53,8.64,0,0,0,0,0.55,0,0,0
scy303_scythian_Moldova_380_203bce_,55.23,31.22,11 .90,1.65,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0 .00

the SG version is very different from the normal one. i think people shuld be able to compare to both.

[Lucas]

Lucas, could you add all these to k13 ancient?


scy192_Moldova_Scythian.SG_1650_ybp,19.33,15.87,24 .64,13.25,21.59,2.68,0.53,0,0.91,0.42,0.76,0,0.01
scy197_Moldova_Scythian.SG_1650_ybp,21.77,15.56,27 .21,8.22,20.8,4.53,0,0,1.91,0,0,0,0
scy305_Moldova_Scythian.SG_2254_ybp,27.8,11.06,20. 79,10.94,21.92,0,3.07,0,1.66,1.84,0.29,0.65,0
scy300_Moldova_Scythian.SG_2253_ybp,26.39,9.87,23. 35,10.37,23.25,3.55,0,1.09,0,2.13,0,0,0
scy311_Moldova_Scythian.SG_2247_ybp,29.28,14.3,13. 36,17.27,14.15,1.64,3.11,3.04,1.27,2.34,0.24,0,0
scy301_Moldova_Scythian.SG_2248_ybp,22.72,23.94,11 .96,18.97,11.8,0,1.4,1.01,4.38,3.04,0,0,0.77
scy303_Moldova_Scythian_o2.SG_2242_ybp,45.53,29.8, 10.39,4.74,4.1,0,3.03,0,0,1.01,1.31,0.09,0

ScythianMoldova_SCY311_Moldova_389-204_BC,38.58,18.93,18.02,11.92,11.13,0,0,0,0,0,0,0 ,1.43
ScythianMoldova_SCY300_Moldova_397-209_BC,34.52,9.33,30.97,6.42,18.53,0.22,0,0,0,0,0, 0,0
ScythianMoldova_SCY197_Moldova_288502632_BC,33.89, 13.8,29,2.16,20.45,0.7,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
scy192_scythian_2863_2503bce_,28,13.64,31.82,6.93, 19.38,0.22,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
scy301_scythian_Moldova_390_205bce_,34.99,26.02,14 .27,15.53,8.64,0,0,0,0,0.55,0,0,0
scy303_scythian_Moldova_380_203bce_,55.23,31.22,11 .90,1.65,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0 .00

the SG version is very different from the normal one. i think people shuld be able to compare to both.

Better?

[Jana]

Hey, there are two average with same name (Croat). They are actually Croat and Croat-Croatia, but no idea which is which so could you replace them with these
(from Vbn, basically identical, just labeled properly)

Croat,28.40,33.22,14.89,7.81,11.70,1.47,0.53,0.28, 0.53,0.51,0.44,0.09,0.13
Croat_Croatia,28.75,33.31,14.82,7.80,11.35,1.45,0. 52,0.28,0.51,0.53,0.45,0.10,0.14

[Lucas]

Hey, there are two average with same name (Croat). They are actually Croat and Croat-Croatia, but no idea which is which so could you replace them with these
(from Vbn, basically identical, just labeled properly)

Croat,28.40,33.22,14.89,7.81,11.70,1.47,0.53,0.28, 0.53,0.51,0.44,0.09,0.13
Croat_Croatia,28.75,33.31,14.82,7.80,11.35,1.45,0. 52,0.28,0.51,0.53,0.45,0.10,0.14

Ukhm yes. Fixed.

[Lucas]

Lucas, could you add all these to k13 ancient?


scy192_Moldova_Scythian.SG_1650_ybp,19.33,15.87,24 .64,13.25,21.59,2.68,0.53,0,0.91,0.42,0.76,0,0.01
scy197_Moldova_Scythian.SG_1650_ybp,21.77,15.56,27 .21,8.22,20.8,4.53,0,0,1.91,0,0,0,0
scy305_Moldova_Scythian.SG_2254_ybp,27.8,11.06,20. 79,10.94,21.92,0,3.07,0,1.66,1.84,0.29,0.65,0
scy300_Moldova_Scythian.SG_2253_ybp,26.39,9.87,23. 35,10.37,23.25,3.55,0,1.09,0,2.13,0,0,0
scy311_Moldova_Scythian.SG_2247_ybp,29.28,14.3,13. 36,17.27,14.15,1.64,3.11,3.04,1.27,2.34,0.24,0,0
scy301_Moldova_Scythian.SG_2248_ybp,22.72,23.94,11 .96,18.97,11.8,0,1.4,1.01,4.38,3.04,0,0,0.77
scy303_Moldova_Scythian_o2.SG_2242_ybp,45.53,29.8, 10.39,4.74,4.1,0,3.03,0,0,1.01,1.31,0.09,0

ScythianMoldova_SCY311_Moldova_389-204_BC,38.58,18.93,18.02,11.92,11.13,0,0,0,0,0,0,0 ,1.43
ScythianMoldova_SCY300_Moldova_397-209_BC,34.52,9.33,30.97,6.42,18.53,0.22,0,0,0,0,0, 0,0
ScythianMoldova_SCY197_Moldova_288502632_BC,33.89, 13.8,29,2.16,20.45,0.7,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
scy192_scythian_2863_2503bce_,28,13.64,31.82,6.93, 19.38,0.22,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
scy301_scythian_Moldova_390_205bce_,34.99,26.02,14 .27,15.53,8.64,0,0,0,0,0.55,0,0,0
scy303_scythian_Moldova_380_203bce_,55.23,31.22,11 .90,1.65,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0 .00

the SG version is very different from the normal one. i think people shuld be able to compare to both.

Added

[Ion Basescul]

Better?

Worse and I don't think that there should be duplicate samples.


<tbody>
Distance to:
scy192_Moldova_Scythian.SG_1650_ybp


3.88591045
Albanian_central_Albania


3.90220451
Greek_Eastern-Macedonia


3.92116054
Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-East


4.96767551
Albanian_Albania


4.97490703
Vlach_Central-Macedonia


5.12555363
Albanian


5.26485517
Albanian_Kosovo


5.44478650
Albanian_north_Albania


5.51688206
Kosovo_Albanian


5.74342232
Greek_Peloponnese


5.96184535
Greek_Thessaly


6.19620852
Albanian_Montenegro


6.32176399
Greek_Western-Thrace


6.83904233
Albanian_south_Albania


7.13965685
Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central


7.35713939
Vlach_North-Macedonia


7.42800108
Greek_Central-Macedonia


7.46892228
Greek_Thessaloniki


7.49430450
Albanian_Macedonia


7.66047431
GR_Macedonia


7.76470379
GR_Peloponese


7.82357801
Bulgarian_Thrace


7.98338274
Greek_Western-Macedonia


8.26897817
Greek_Eastern-Thrace


8.27527643
Turk_Kazanlik


8.58604100
Macedonian_Southwest


8.71784951
Turk_Alexandroupoli


8.74038901
Macedonian_Central


8.83487974
Macedonian_Southeast


8.93161240
Bulgarian_Plovdiv


8.95010614
Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander


9.32471447
Turk_Kavala


9.47877102
Greek_Northern-Thrace


9.48419738
Turk_Thessaloniki


9.49726178
North_Macedonian


9.56588208
Macedonian_North


9.61689659
Romagna


9.75526012
Bulgarian_North-Rhodope


9.80200490
Lazio


9.88575743
Gagauz


10.09244767
Marche


10.15612623
Greek_Macedonia_Thrace


10.29642171
Umbria


10.44858842
Macedonian_East


10.53628967
Pomak_Nevrokopi


10.56091379
Macedonian_Greece


10.67556088
Turk_Crete


10.68061328
Bulgarian_Central


10.77039461
Tuscany


10.78253681
Central_Greek

</tbody>


<tbody>
Distance to:
scy192_scythian_2863_2503bce_


7.61036793
Lombardy


8.21921529
FrenchCorsica


8.51479301
Liguria


8.54334244
Emilia


8.61624048
Tuscany


9.29774704
Piedmont


9.51386882
Veneto


11.22844602
Tuscan


11.44571972
Trentino


11.50222152
Romagna


11.89408677
Swiss-Italian2


12.29107400
Lazio


12.29144825
Umbria


12.49542716
FRA_Provence


12.78197559
Friuli-VG


13.06155044
Marche


13.11122039
Swiss_Italian


13.40427171
Albanian_north_Albania


13.68164829
Albanian_Kosovo


14.02238567
Greek_Western-Thrace


14.25308388
Spanish_Andalucia


14.44901727
Vlach_Central-Macedonia


14.49124908
Albanian


14.53129726
Spanish_Extremadura


14.61428753
Albanian_Albania


14.77329381
Kosovo_Albanian


14.90267761
Greek_Eastern-Macedonia


14.99093059
Portuguese


15.20281882
Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-East


15.23987533
Spanish_Valencia


15.26687918
Albanian_Macedonia


15.45210342
Albanian_south_Albania


15.46444632
Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central


15.49442803
Albanian_central_Albania


15.74940316
Spanish_Galicia


15.79520497
Vlach_North-Macedonia


15.81090763
Greek_Central-Macedonia


15.99107876
Spanish_Murcia


15.99292344
Albanian_Montenegro


16.09229629
Macedonian_East


16.15249613
North_Macedonian


16.48804112
Bulgarian_Plovdiv


16.54279602
Bulgarian_Central


16.55313565
AostaValley


16.58655178
Spanish_Cataluna


16.62012936
Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha


16.92351914
Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon


16.95316490
Greek_Thessaly


17.16584399
Bulgarian_Serres


17.17128417
West_Sicilian

</tbody>

Run with Global 25 coordinates for comparison

<tbody>
Distance to:
Scythian_MDA:scy192


0.03169278
Greek_Thessaly


0.03236811
Italian_Umbria


0.03310296
Albanian


0.03330800
Greek_Peloponnese


0.03331785
Greek_Central_Macedonia


0.03365049
Italian_Tuscany


0.03527896
Italian_Marche


0.03528722
Italian_Piedmont


0.03541678
Italian_Molise


0.03715650
Swiss_Italian


0.03732629
Greek_Izmir


0.03799659
Italian_Abruzzo


0.03809924
Italian_Lazio


0.04098982
French_Corsica


0.04279906
Italian_Apulia


0.04342582
Italian_Basilicata


0.04428340
Italian_Veneto


0.04431050
Italian_Lombardy


0.04501619
Gagauz


0.04506564
Italian_Bergamo


0.04658284
Italian_Liguria


0.04727562
Italian_Campania


0.04752906
Sicilian_West


0.04785316
Bulgarian


0.04823806
Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige

</tbody>


Also, whoever is responsible for the Bulgarian samples should make regional averages. 17 references is too much, especially if some are based on 1-5 samples. That Dupnitsa sticks like a sore thumb.

[vbnetkhio]

Worse and I don't think that there should be duplicate samples.

how do these distance tables prove that one of these versions is better or worse?
one is obviously wrong, but until we figure out which one, they are both equally valid.
Until then, people should be able to compare to both versions and decide which one makes more sense to them.



Also, whoever is responsible for the Bulgarian samples should make regional averages. 17 references is too much, especially if some are based on 1-5 samples. That Dupnitsa sticks like a sore thumb.

it's user Kaspias.

i also made these simplified averages:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?325893-Macedonian-and-Bulgarians&p=6875455#post6875455

[Leto]

Yeah, do we really need 5-6 Pomak and Torbeshi references?

[Peterski]

Dupnitsa sticks like a sore thumb.

Like a sore dupa.

[Mingle]

But they were not outliers, they were about 50% of entire sample? :)

In that thread I posted K15 results of all individual Provence samples.

About half were northern-shifted and the other half southern-shifted.

If "Southerners" were just a small minority I would ignore them.

There was a similar case here with the South Croat samples. There was a group that clustered with Slovenes and another group that clustered with Serbs. Since they were so different, I proposed having separate averages for them and it was done for a while before they were combined again.

So even though the two groups are genetically different, it seems best to combine them as that's what the average person from there should score. Huge outliers (like if one clusters with Normans) could be excluded. Are you able to distinguish between the northern and southern shifted samples with full accuracy? Wouldn't there be some samples transitional between the two that make it hard to decide which one belongs in which group?

[Ion Basescul]

how do these distance tables prove that one of these versions is better or worse?
one is obviously wrong, but until we figure out which one, they are both equally valid.

By showing that the SG one is closer to how it works on Global 25, which is the benchmark against which we should compare.

This one is especially ridiculous.

Davidski's Global 25 (mix of Italian and Balkan pops in distances)


<tbody>
Distance to:
Scythian_MDA:scy197


0.03508725
Italian_Piedmont


0.03581732
Italian_Lombardy


0.03589029
Albanian


0.03589938
Greek_Thessaly


0.03630896
Italian_Liguria


0.03750360
Italian_Tuscany


0.03832999
Italian_Bergamo


0.03878050
Italian_Marche


0.03915087
French_Corsica


0.03992959
Swiss_Italian


0.04056906
Italian_Umbria


0.04087320
Italian_Veneto


0.04097068
Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige


0.04164617
Greek_Central_Macedonia


0.04370796
Italian_Lazio


0.04478593
Italian_Molise


0.04484785
Greek_Peloponnese


0.04653811
Italian_Abruzzo


0.04747566
Italian_Northeast


0.04955077
Greek_Izmir


0.04982110
Gagauz


0.04994709
Spanish_Menorca


0.05021826
Italian_Apulia


0.05125463
Bulgarian


0.05155938
Spanish_Baleares

</tbody>

SG one from K13 (mix of Italian and Balkan pops in distances)


<tbody>
Distance to:
scy197_Moldova_Scythian.SG_1650_ybp


6.87866266
Albanian_north_Albania


7.29365478
Vlach_Central-Macedonia


7.64342855
Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-East


7.69003251
Albanian_Kosovo


7.71172484
Albanian_Albania


7.80235862
Albanian


7.81294439
Greek_Eastern-Macedonia


8.14415128
Albanian_central_Albania


8.32019831
Tuscany


8.68545336
Albanian_Macedonia


8.75502142
Romagna


8.80964490
Kosovo_Albanian


9.07295983
Albanian_south_Albania


9.07667340
Greek_Western-Thrace


9.21926244
Vlach_North-Macedonia


9.23403487
FrenchCorsica


9.39195933
Albanian_Montenegro


9.45345440
Emilia


9.46202410
Tuscan


9.54204381
Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central


9.55164384
Greek_Thessaly


9.60281729
Greek_Central-Macedonia


9.68273722
Lazio


9.99962999
Umbria


10.20947599
Marche

</tbody>

Your suggestion (Italians and Southwest Europeans)

<tbody>
Distance to:
ScythianMoldova_SCY197_Moldova_288502632_BC


5.05924896
Lombardy


6.82756179
Piedmont


6.97853853
Swiss-Italian2


7.12679451
Swiss_Italian


8.17178071
Veneto


8.26632929
Liguria


8.45540064
Trentino


8.92888571
FRA_Provence


9.26836555
Emilia


9.47829626
Spanish_Valencia


9.84430292
Portuguese


10.19473884
Spanish_Extremadura


10.28693832
Spanish_Andalucia


10.45607479
Tuscany


10.54939335
Spanish_Murcia


10.83650313
Friuli-VG


10.85466720
FrenchCorsica


11.15533953
Spanish_Galicia


11.24464317
Spanish_Cataluna


11.57187971
Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon


11.98993745
Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha


12.70738762
Tuscan


12.82517446
FRA_Septimania


13.13780042
AostaValley


13.33125275
Spanish_Cantabria

</tbody>

Bonus, which is self-explanatory really:

Target: vbn(serb)
Distance: 9.5890% / 9.58895517
64.4 AV1_Hungary_Avar_1361_ybp
35.6 ScythianMoldova_SCY197_Moldova_288502632_BC


Target: vbn(serb)
Distance: 5.4774% / 5.47740755
55.6 AV1_Hungary_Avar_1361_ybp
44.4 scy197_Moldova_Scythian.SG_1650_ybp

[Peterski]

By showing that the SG one is closer to how it works on Global 25, which is the benchmark against which we should compare.

This one is especially ridiculous.

Davidski's Global 25 (mix of Italian and Balkan pops in distances)


<tbody>
Distance to:
Scythian_MDA:scy197


0.03508725
Italian_Piedmont


0.03581732
Italian_Lombardy


0.03589029
Albanian


0.03589938
Greek_Thessaly


0.03630896
Italian_Liguria


0.03750360
Italian_Tuscany


0.03832999
Italian_Bergamo


0.03878050
Italian_Marche


0.03915087
French_Corsica


0.03992959
Swiss_Italian


0.04056906
Italian_Umbria


0.04087320
Italian_Veneto


0.04097068
Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige


0.04164617
Greek_Central_Macedonia


0.04370796
Italian_Lazio


0.04478593
Italian_Molise


0.04484785
Greek_Peloponnese


0.04653811
Italian_Abruzzo


0.04747566
Italian_Northeast


0.04955077
Greek_Izmir


0.04982110
Gagauz


0.04994709
Spanish_Menorca


0.05021826
Italian_Apulia


0.05125463
Bulgarian


0.05155938
Spanish_Baleares

</tbody>

SG one from K13 (mix of Italian and Balkan pops in distances)


<tbody>
Distance to:
scy197_Moldova_Scythian.SG_1650_ybp


6.87866266
Albanian_north_Albania


7.29365478
Vlach_Central-Macedonia


7.64342855
Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-East


7.69003251
Albanian_Kosovo


7.71172484
Albanian_Albania


7.80235862
Albanian


7.81294439
Greek_Eastern-Macedonia


8.14415128
Albanian_central_Albania


8.32019831
Tuscany


8.68545336
Albanian_Macedonia


8.75502142
Romagna


8.80964490
Kosovo_Albanian


9.07295983
Albanian_south_Albania


9.07667340
Greek_Western-Thrace


9.21926244
Vlach_North-Macedonia


9.23403487
FrenchCorsica


9.39195933
Albanian_Montenegro


9.45345440
Emilia


9.46202410
Tuscan


9.54204381
Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central


9.55164384
Greek_Thessaly


9.60281729
Greek_Central-Macedonia


9.68273722
Lazio


9.99962999
Umbria


10.20947599
Marche

</tbody>

Your suggestion (Italians and Southwest Europeans)

<tbody>
Distance to:
ScythianMoldova_SCY197_Moldova_288502632_BC


5.05924896
Lombardy


6.82756179
Piedmont


6.97853853
Swiss-Italian2


7.12679451
Swiss_Italian


8.17178071
Veneto


8.26632929
Liguria


8.45540064
Trentino


8.92888571
FRA_Provence


9.26836555
Emilia


9.47829626
Spanish_Valencia


9.84430292
Portuguese


10.19473884
Spanish_Extremadura


10.28693832
Spanish_Andalucia


10.45607479
Tuscany


10.54939335
Spanish_Murcia


10.83650313
Friuli-VG


10.85466720
FrenchCorsica


11.15533953
Spanish_Galicia


11.24464317
Spanish_Cataluna


11.57187971
Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon


11.98993745
Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha


12.70738762
Tuscan


12.82517446
FRA_Septimania


13.13780042
AostaValley


13.33125275
Spanish_Cantabria

</tbody>

Bonus, which is self-explanatory really:

Target: vbn(serb)
Distance: 9.5890% / 9.58895517
64.4 AV1_Hungary_Avar_1361_ybp
35.6 ScythianMoldova_SCY197_Moldova_288502632_BC


Target: vbn(serb)
Distance: 5.4774% / 5.47740755
55.6 AV1_Hungary_Avar_1361_ybp
44.4 scy197_Moldova_Scythian.SG_1650_ybp

^^^ And what is the source of the Non-SG sample?

I remember that I processed and added the SG one.

[Narration]

MDLP K16 Ancient
Target: ME
Distance: 3.7974% / 3.79744022
44.0 Armenia_EBA
23.0 Anatolia_ChL
15.8 Kotias
5.4 Russia_LBA
3.6 Levant_BA
3.2 MiddleDorset
2.2 Vestonice14
1.6 Paglicci108
1.2 Continenza

[vbnetkhio]

By showing that the SG one is closer to how it works on Global 25, which is the benchmark against which we should compare.


why? Davidski obviously just used the reich lab/SG version of the sample.
how does that make this version the better one? maybe Davidski doesn't know about, or doesn't have access to the other version.



This one is especially ridiculous.

Davidski's Global 25 (mix of Italian and Balkan pops in distances)
SG one from K13 (mix of Italian and Balkan pops in distances)

Your suggestion (Italians and Southwest Europeans)


today's Balkanians are a specific mix of paleo-balkanians, different ethnicities from the Roman empire, and Slavs (to cut it short).

paleo-Balkanians were indeed similar to modern NW Italians, Corsicans and Iberians, only after that to Albanians and Greeks.
i'm talking about most of the other paleo-Balkan samples we have, from Croatia, Bulgaria, some from Hungary etc.

so the Moldovan ia samples being the closest to NW Italians too, and distant from modern Balkanians, wouldn't be weird or ridiculous at all.

but, it's still possible that an Albanian-like mix occured in IA Moldova, by SW-Euro-like people mixing with some atypical Scythians or Sarmatians. that's why i don't completely discard the other version yet.



Bonus, which is self-explanatory really:

Target: vbn(serb)
Distance: 9.5890% / 9.58895517
64.4 AV1_Hungary_Avar_1361_ybp
35.6 ScythianMoldova_SCY197_Moldova_288502632_BC


Target: vbn(serb)
Distance: 5.4774% / 5.47740755
55.6 AV1_Hungary_Avar_1361_ybp
44.4 scy197_Moldova_Scythian.SG_1650_ybp

there is one problem with this:
https://i.imgur.com/jwHTrqL.jpg

the small circle is where we find Albanian like samples in the Iron age. (maybe)
the big circle is where we find SW European like ones.

modern population from the big circle can be shown as:

SW-Euro-like paleo-Balkanians
+ Imperial Roman samples
+ Slavs.

with very a small distance, too.

now tell me which makes more sense: this 3-way mix i propose, or that the Slavs mixed with an atypical population (which might have not existed at all) living on a very small area in Moldova , and then this mix settled the entire Balkans and completely wiped out the previous population there?

[vbnetkhio]

^^^ And what is the source of the Non-SG sample?

I remember that I processed and added the SG one.

it was uploaded to gedmatch by the Chechen user RasulSrg (Serganover) from Anthrogenica.

[Jana]

There was a similar case here with the South Croat samples. There was a group that clustered with Slovenes and another group that clustered with Serbs. Since they were so different, I proposed having separate averages for them and it was done for a while before they were combined again.

Actually that group clustered with north shifted Bosniaks and Moldovans, not Slovenians. They almost completely lacked Celto-Germanic like input and were like Vlatko Vukovic and Incelslayer, NE shifted.

Croats south of Sava river can be very Slavic, but their other part is very southern and east Med shifted. Central European like samples are not the norm and likely have some ancestry from futher north in Croatia.

[Ion Basescul]

excuses



Look at figure S3 from the supplementary data of this study: https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/advances/suppl/2018/10/01/4.10.eaat4457.DC1/aat4457_SM.pdf

scy192 and 305 cluster with Albanians and Greeks and are clearly detached from Italians.
scy197 and 300 cluster with Tuscans and Greeks.

All 4 don't cluster with Southwest Euros.

[Peterski]

OK here is "the other" (non-SG) Scy197, I converted it directly from the BAM file at ENA:


Scy197_K15,11.37,16.09,10.91,6.70,22.14,9.08,17.24 ,4.03,0,1.01,1.43,0,0,0,0
Scy197_K13,22.29,15.87,25.85,8.13,20.37,4.43,0,1.4 4,1.61,0,0,0,0
Scy197_K12b,3.65,0,0.95,0,34.48,20.91,0,0.16,5.43, 2.97,29.50,1.97

[Ion Basescul]

Here is "the other" (non-SG) Scy197, directly from the BAM file at ENA:


Scy197_K15,11.37,16.09,10.91,6.70,22.14,9.08,17.24 ,4.03,0,1.01,1.43,0,0,0,0
Scy197_K13,22.29,15.87,25.85,8.13,20.37,4.43,0,1.4 4,1.61,0,0,0,0
Scy197_K12b,3.65,0,0.95,0,34.48,20.91,0,0.16,5.43, 2.97,29.50,1.97

Doesn't fit my agenda, try again :lol:

[Peterski]

Similar to SG version from David Reich?:

Distance to: Scy197_K15
6.33727071 Albanian-Kosovo
6.97281866 Albanian-Macedonia
7.93330952 Albanian-North
7.96759688 Kosovo_Albanian
8.61433108 Albanian-South

Distance to: Scy197_K13
6.14113182 Albanian_north_Albania
6.65007519 Vlach_Central-Macedonia
6.74528724 Albanian_Kosovo
6.99762102 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-East
7.00250669 Albanian

Distance to: Scy197_K12b
6.12801762 Italy_Romagna
6.99888548 Italy_Marche
7.09615741 Italy_Tuscany
7.25624448 Italy_Lazio
7.89226146 Italy_Emilia

BTW do you know who made Romagna and Emilia averages and what samples were used?

[Leto]

I never knew there had been Scythians with an Albanian-like genetic profile. Incredible.
"Are you even Iranic, bro?"
;)

[Mingle]

Actually that group clustered with north shifted Bosniaks and Moldovans, not Slovenians. They almost completely lacked Celto-Germanic like input and were like Vlatko Vukovic and Incelslayer, NE shifted.

Croats south of Sava river can be very Slavic, but their other part is very southern and east Med shifted. Central European like samples are not the norm and likely have some ancestry from futher north in Croatia.
Okay, I just meant they were significantly more northern shifted and Slovenes were the first group that came to mind.

[vbnetkhio]

Doesn't fit my agenda, try again :lol:

please enlighten me, what's my agenda? :rolleyes:

i was open minded, and left an open possibility for these samples really being Albanian like, and explained how that could have occured. and you seem to be agressively pushing your position and completely discard mine.

i'm still waiting for an answer: what does an outlying, mixed population from a very small area in Moldova have to do with the grand scale genetics of the Balkans? (and of modern Moldovans and Romanians for that matter?)


Look at figure S3 from the supplementary data of this study: https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/advances/suppl/2018/10/01/4.10.eaat4457.DC1/aat4457_SM.pdf

scy192 and 305 cluster with Albanians and Greeks and are clearly detached from Italians.
scy197 and 300 cluster with Tuscans and Greeks.

All 4 don't cluster with Southwest Euros.

there could have been some false steps in the making of this PCA . like, you know, using SG and non-SG samples in the same PCA.


Similar to SG version from David Reich?:


this could be that very same version. best to somehow get in touch with Serganover and find out what he used.

[Tacitus]

Similar to SG version from David Reich?:

Distance to: Scy197_K15
6.33727071 Albanian-Kosovo
6.97281866 Albanian-Macedonia
7.93330952 Albanian-North
7.96759688 Kosovo_Albanian
8.61433108 Albanian-South

Distance to: Scy197_K13
6.14113182 Albanian_north_Albania
6.65007519 Vlach_Central-Macedonia
6.74528724 Albanian_Kosovo
6.99762102 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-East
7.00250669 Albanian

Distance to: Scy197_K12b
6.12801762 Italy_Romagna
6.99888548 Italy_Marche
7.09615741 Italy_Tuscany
7.25624448 Italy_Lazio
7.89226146 Italy_Emilia

BTW do you know who made Romagna and Emilia averages and what samples were used?

I don't, but it seems that Emilia shifts towards NW Italy while Romagna shifts towards central Italy, which makes some sense given geography.

Romagna covers the southeastern part of Emilia-Romagna along the Adriatic:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c0/Lingua_emiliano_romagnola.jpg/1024px-Lingua_emiliano_romagnola.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3c/Romagna_geopolitica.png


Distance to: Italy_Romagna
3.17078697 Italy_Tuscany
3.57201036 Italy_Marche
3.78031401 Italy_Lazio
4.88339687 Italy_Emilia
5.66876690 Italy_Liguria
6.56808770 France_Corsica
8.35813376 Albanian_Kosovo
8.44931344 Italy_Lombardy
8.58028383 Italy_Veneto
8.62869747 Italy_Piedmont
9.27254550 Albanian_North
9.57434706 Italy_Abruzzo
10.21595693 Italy_FriuliVG
11.51571309 Italy_Apulia
11.97055554 Turk_Macedonia
12.04935320 Swiss_Italian
12.24617434 Italy_Campania
12.57282387 Italy_Trentino
12.64469849 Greek
12.71834109 Turk_Greece
12.94003111 Italy_Sicily
13.69855467 R.Moldova_Gagauz
13.78883606 R.Moldova_South
13.84994224 Gagauz
15.27976440 Ashkenazi_Jews

Distance to: Italy_Emilia
1.76184639 Italy_Liguria
1.86056046 Italy_Tuscany
3.87051040 Italy_Lombardy
4.44194508 Italy_Piedmont
4.88339687 Italy_Romagna
5.01504058 Italy_Veneto
6.29414546 France_Corsica
7.57312671 Italy_FriuliVG
7.76814125 Swiss_Italian
8.31862473 Italy_Marche
8.51598611 Italy_Lazio
8.51613681 Italy_Trentino
10.34068552 Albanian_Kosovo
10.73703800 Albanian_North
11.13622596 Italy_Aosta_Valley
14.33447030 Italy_Abruzzo
14.53308085 R.Moldova_South
14.81631712 Turk_Macedonia
15.00564650 R.Moldova_Gagauz
15.32884663 Turk_Greece
15.35401449 Gagauz
15.39065207 Macedonian
15.98010235 Baleares
16.27705354 Italy_Apulia
16.50704010 Montenegrin

You can see the same phenomenon with K13 too:
Distance to: Romagna
2.14032708 Umbria
2.25803011 Tuscan
2.63397039 Marche
2.73492230 Lazio
3.75471703 Tuscany
5.18447683 Emilia
6.03433509 Greek_Western-Thrace
6.31550473 Liguria
6.70143268 FrenchCorsica
7.51459912 Vlach_Central-Macedonia
7.93969143 West_Sicilian
8.07416250 Greek_Central-Macedonia
8.23694118 Albanian_north_Albania
8.37072876 Greek_Eastern-Macedonia
8.45666601 Albanian_Kosovo
8.50124697 Albanian_south_Albania
8.53116639 Albanian
8.60124991 Albanian_Albania
8.76609377 Abruzzo
8.98375688 Kosovo_Albanian
9.41109983 Lombardy
9.42436735 Albanian_Macedonia
9.42628771 Albanian_Montenegro
9.50008947 Greek_Thessaly
9.55466378 Basilicata

Distance to: Emilia
1.28872030 Liguria
1.73109792 Tuscany
4.48160685 Lombardy
4.85026803 Tuscan
5.18447683 Romagna
5.30262199 Veneto
5.71440286 Piedmont
6.24458165 Umbria
6.58633434 FrenchCorsica
7.12345422 Lazio
7.35995924 Marche
7.41831517 Friuli-VG
7.68951234 FRA_Provence
8.80596389 Trentino
9.30274153 Swiss-Italian2
9.81633333 Swiss_Italian
10.29350281 Greek_Western-Thrace
10.30565864 Albanian_Kosovo
10.45201416 Albanian_north_Albania
10.58730844 Greek_Central-Macedonia
10.73716909 Vlach_Central-Macedonia
11.05945442 Kosovo_Albanian
11.18165462 Albanian
11.41637859 Greek_Eastern-Macedonia
11.55069262 Albanian_Albania

I think however the Dodecad samples were curated by someone at Eupedia, best check over there.

[Leto]

Italy was prolly updated by Samnium or at least with his participation.

[Ion Basescul]

i'm still waiting for an answer: what does an outlying, mixed population from a very small area in Moldova have to do with the grand scale genetics of the Balkans? (and of modern Moldovans and Romanians for that matter?)

So ignore them, if it's a small and mixed population, but don't go around spreading fakes just to distance yourself from Albanians. Reich, Davidski, the authors of the study and the SG coordinates are clearly in support of one another and you are the only one on the other front. An amateur just like me. Shall I also begin creating fakes based on how I expect Getae, Dacians, Cumans, etc. to have scored like?

Now I have to question everything that you submit and I advise Lucas to do the same.

[vbnetkhio]

So ignore them, if it's a small and mixed population, but don't go around spreading fakes just to distance yourself from Albanians. Reich, Davidski, the authors of the study and the SG coordinates are clearly in support of one another and you are the only one on the other front. An amateur just like me. Shall I also begin creating fakes based on how I expect Getae, Dacians, Cumans, etc. to have scored like?

Now I have to question everything that you submit and I advise Lucas to do the same.

fakes?

sorry to dissapoint you, but here they are:

CG7540766 scy192_scythian_2863_2503bce_
CG2611850 scy301_scythian_Moldova_390_205bce_
FJ6435372 scy303_scythian_Moldova_380_203bce_
LH1646901 ScythianMoldova_SCY197_Moldova_288502632_BC
UM7604856 ScythianMoldova_SCY300_Moldova_397-209_BC
RC9424705 ScythianMoldova_SCY311_Moldova_389-204_BC

how did you manage to turn this into a war, or how did you conclude i'm in any way anti-Albanian, is beyond me.
btw, there are at least 2 other people on this forum who find these alternative results interesting and would probably like to have them on Vahaduo.

[Lucas]

So what about those ancient K13 samples?:) Any agreement?

[Leto]

@Lucas, please add the new stuff from my PM.

[Ion Basescul]

So what about those ancient K13 samples?:) Any agreement?

SG ones only, which are supported by Reich, Davidski and the authors of the study.

He can add those that will make him less similar to Albanians himself.

[Ion Basescul]

fakes?

sorry to dissapoint you, but here they are:

CG7540766 scy192_scythian_2863_2503bce_
CG2611850 scy301_scythian_Moldova_390_205bce_
FJ6435372 scy303_scythian_Moldova_380_203bce_
LH1646901 ScythianMoldova_SCY197_Moldova_288502632_BC
UM7604856 ScythianMoldova_SCY300_Moldova_397-209_BC
RC9424705 ScythianMoldova_SCY311_Moldova_389-204_BC


Being on GEDmatch doesn't make them real. I can also feed wrong data and upload on GEDmatch.

If any literal who will want to create alternative kits that disagree with the original data from the study, lab and Davidski's Global 25, then the spreadsheet will turn into a complete mess.
You are creating a precedent and after this others will request the same from Lucas.

Some kind of filtering needs to be done to the Balkan members who can suggest data, because more often than not they are absolute nationalistic nutters and couldn't care less about scientific accuracy as long as it paints the picture that they want to see. You might not be like that, but pushing hard these samples that behave differently from the official SG ones does not make you look any different.

[Lucas]

Ok my compromise:)
I'm checking now raw files from Reich for those Scythians in AdmixtureStudio (K13). It will be new replacement.

EDIT: done and added


scy006_WGC_Ukraine_Scythian_WGC,44.63,17.92,10.54, 0,1.01,2.51,12.54,0,0,8.57,0,2.27,0
scy009_SG_Ukraine_Scythian_SG,32.25,38.12,14.64,6. 06,4.22,1.86,0,0,0,1.35,0.18,0.02,1.3
scy010_SG_Ukraine_Scythian_SG_,30.49,32.12,12.24,2 0.62,2.17,0,0,0,0,1.04,0,1.33,0
scy011_SG_Ukraine_Scythian_SG,25.46,21.85,5.22,32. 87,0,0,1.41,0,5.8,4.73,2.66,0,0
scy192_SG_Moldova_Scythian_SG,25.17,13.29,18.61,11 .78,24.56,1.68,1.91,0,0.6,0,2.4,0,0
scy193_SG_Moldova_Scythian_o1_SG,11.12,33.32,0,15. 33,0,17.57,5.75,0,0,1.13,4.29,5.39,6.1
scy197_SG_Moldova_Scythian_SG,19.25,15.8,28.22,3.7 6,22.72,7.4,0,0,2.85,0,0,0,0
scy300_SG_Moldova_Scythian_SG,25.15,5.55,24.79,9.8 6,24.18,6.31,0,2.61,0,1.53,0,0,0
scy301_SG_Moldova_Scythian_SG,19.51,23.11,13.22,19 .06,14,0,2.8,0,7.17,0.74,0.38,0,0
scy303_SG_Moldova_Scythian_o2_SG,48.47,28.96,5.57, 0.67,8.9,0,3.75,0,0,1.77,1.37,0,0.55
scy304_SG_Moldova_Scythian_SG,40.23,7.82,20.61,5.9 9,11.8,0,1.05,3.13,0,7.45,0.95,0,0.97
scy305_SG_Moldova_Scythian_SG,34.92,7.94,20.66,19. 7,11.46,1.06,2.43,0.64,0,0,0,0,1.19
scy311_SG_Moldova_Scythian_SG,32.33,19.41,7.05,13. 85,11.68,5.4,0,3.86,0.35,1.81,1.79,2.47,0
scy332_SG_Moldova_Scythian_o3_SG,16.88,0,0,0,0,0,4 .56,28.54,34.79,0,15.22,0,0

[Ion Basescul]

Ok my compromise:)
I'm checking now raw files from Reich for those Scythians in AdmixtureStudio (K13). It will be new replacement.

EDIT: done and added


scy006_WGC_Ukraine_Scythian_WGC,44.63,17.92,10.54, 0,1.01,2.51,12.54,0,0,8.57,0,2.27,0
scy009_SG_Ukraine_Scythian_SG,32.25,38.12,14.64,6. 06,4.22,1.86,0,0,0,1.35,0.18,0.02,1.3
scy010_SG_Ukraine_Scythian_SG_,30.49,32.12,12.24,2 0.62,2.17,0,0,0,0,1.04,0,1.33,0
scy011_SG_Ukraine_Scythian_SG,25.46,21.85,5.22,32. 87,0,0,1.41,0,5.8,4.73,2.66,0,0
scy192_SG_Moldova_Scythian_SG,25.17,13.29,18.61,11 .78,24.56,1.68,1.91,0,0.6,0,2.4,0,0
scy193_SG_Moldova_Scythian_o1_SG,11.12,33.32,0,15. 33,0,17.57,5.75,0,0,1.13,4.29,5.39,6.1
scy197_SG_Moldova_Scythian_SG,19.25,15.8,28.22,3.7 6,22.72,7.4,0,0,2.85,0,0,0,0
scy300_SG_Moldova_Scythian_SG,25.15,5.55,24.79,9.8 6,24.18,6.31,0,2.61,0,1.53,0,0,0
scy301_SG_Moldova_Scythian_SG,19.51,23.11,13.22,19 .06,14,0,2.8,0,7.17,0.74,0.38,0,0
scy303_SG_Moldova_Scythian_o2_SG,48.47,28.96,5.57, 0.67,8.9,0,3.75,0,0,1.77,1.37,0,0.55
scy304_SG_Moldova_Scythian_SG,40.23,7.82,20.61,5.9 9,11.8,0,1.05,3.13,0,7.45,0.95,0,0.97
scy305_SG_Moldova_Scythian_SG,34.92,7.94,20.66,19. 7,11.46,1.06,2.43,0.64,0,0,0,0,1.19
scy311_SG_Moldova_Scythian_SG,32.33,19.41,7.05,13. 85,11.68,5.4,0,3.86,0.35,1.81,1.79,2.47,0
scy332_SG_Moldova_Scythian_o3_SG,16.88,0,0,0,0,0,4 .56,28.54,34.79,0,15.22,0,0


Yep, these are decent enough.


<tbody>
Distance to:
scy192_SG_Moldova_Scythian_SG


5.71756067
Greek_Central-Macedonia


6.50671960
Romagna


6.60012121
Greek_Western-Thrace


6.69174865
Greek_Western-Macedonia


6.79309944
Turk_Alexandroupoli


6.83240807
Albanian_south_Albania


6.94368778
Umbria


7.00971856
Kosovo_Albanian


7.01559691
Vlach_Central-Macedonia


7.02276299
Marche


7.22384939
Albanian_Kosovo


7.22556572
Albanian


7.39792538
Albanian_Montenegro


7.49705942
Albanian_Albania


7.52294490
Turk_Kazanlik


7.54287744
Lazio


7.62800105
Albanian_north_Albania


7.77919662
Greek_Thessaly


7.86463604
Greek_Eastern-Macedonia


7.96738351
Bulgarian_Plovdiv


7.97988095
Tuscan


8.14366165
GR_Peloponese


8.39109647
Albanian_Macedonia


8.57710907
Turk_Kavala


8.60691001
Tuscany

</tbody>

Davidski's Global 25

<tbody>
Distance to:
Scythian_MDA:scy192


0.03169278
Greek_Thessaly


0.03236811
Italian_Umbria


0.03310296
Albanian


0.03330800
Greek_Peloponnese


0.03331785
Greek_Central_Macedonia


0.03365049
Italian_Tuscany


0.03527896
Italian_Marche


0.03528722
Italian_Piedmont


0.03541678
Italian_Molise


0.03715650
Swiss_Italian


0.03732629
Greek_Izmir


0.03799659
Italian_Abruzzo


0.03809924
Italian_Lazio


0.04098982
French_Corsica


0.04279906
Italian_Apulia


0.04342582
Italian_Basilicata


0.04428340
Italian_Veneto


0.04431050
Italian_Lombardy


0.04501619
Gagauz


0.04506564
Italian_Bergamo


0.04658284
Italian_Liguria


0.04727562
Italian_Campania


0.04752906
Sicilian_West


0.04785316
Bulgarian


0.04823806
Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige

</tbody>

[vbnetkhio]

Ok my compromise
I'm checking now raw files from Reich for those Scythians in AdmixtureStudio (K13). It will be new replacement.

EDIT: done and added


those are just the .SG samples, which were already there before yesterday.
so we are back at the start now.

the compromise would be if both version were in there, maybe one marked with "_other_version" in the end so they can be easily told apart.

P.S.
i want to let apricity users know i don't have a problem with any nation or religion, only with idiots.

for example, i made Albanian regional averages with the help of the Albanian user Safinator.
Lucas can confirm.

[Lucas]

those are just the .SG samples, which were already there before yesterday.
so we are back at the start now.

the compromise would be if both version were in there, maybe one marked with "_other_version" in the end so they can be easily told apart.

P.S.
i want to let apricity users know i don't have a problem with any nation or religion, only with idiots.

for example, i made Albanian regional averages with the help of the Albanian user Safinator.
Lucas can confirm.

Yes ok. But the problem is in Reich there are only SG samples.

[vbnetkhio]

Yes ok. But the problem is in Reich there are only SG samples.

i just checked the BAM version Peterski sent me, it has almost 2x the SNPs in k13 compared to Serganover's version, and it's similar to the Reich/SG version.
I think it's safe to say it's more accurate.

so i agree with the current sampels from Reich.

[Jana]

Vbnetkhio is least biased poster here, he has absolutely no agenda and if he claims something it is because he thinks it may be true.
If he sees he tought wrong he will change his opinion without issues. A rare quality.

So there is no need to attack him or question his legitimacy.

[Jana]

So ignore them, if it's a small and mixed population, but don't go around spreading fakes just to distance yourself from Albanians. Reich, Davidski, the authors of the study and the SG coordinates are clearly in support of one another and you are the only one on the other front. An amateur just like me. Shall I also begin creating fakes based on how I expect Getae, Dacians, Cumans, etc. to have scored like?

Now I have to question everything that you submit and I advise Lucas to do the same.

Looks one you are one who has nationalistic bias here. You are upset about these samples (weather accurate or not is irrelevant) because you and your people can't be modeled with them.
That's what you are upset about and that's exactly what you described here.

You want continuity and having such samples upsets your idea about genetic continuity in Moldova.
Than you go to attack Vbnethkio who maybe submited poor samples but it wasn't him who did it on purpose neither could he knew they aren't legit, if that is the case.

You chimped out insantly due to idea Getae could have been Illyrian like because your people pre-Slavic part isn't similar to that.

I read you like a book.

[Leto]

For HarappaWorld, I significantly increased the sample size for most of the ones below and added one new average. For Dodecad K12b, I added a bunch of new averages. vbnetkhio helped me a lot in making the averages for them.
If you have time and interest, please calculate a Kohistani average with these kits:

Kit Number: RX5139553
Name: Kohistani K20

Kit Number: AY1293046
Name: Kohistani K122

Kit Number: AD7529904
Name: Kohistani K124

Kit Number: GD5858977
Name: Kohistani K126

Kit Number: XT3374974
Name: Kohistani K128

Kit Number: SL5528950
Name: Kohistani K134

Kit Number: XS3826409
Name: Kohistani K175

Kit Number: NC6613829
Name: Kohistani K290

Kit Number: RL6168905
Name: Kohistani K130

Kit Number: WH3249048
Name: Kohistani K141

Kit Number: ET8860122
Name: Kohistani K144

Kit Number: WG2047633
Name: Kohistani K146

Kit Number: HU7006546
Name: Kohistani K152

After all, they are not that far from your part of Pakistan :)

[Mingle]

If you have time and interest, please calculate a Kohistani average with these kits:

Kit Number: RX5139553
Name: Kohistani K20

Kit Number: AY1293046
Name: Kohistani K122

Kit Number: AD7529904
Name: Kohistani K124

Kit Number: GD5858977
Name: Kohistani K126

Kit Number: XT3374974
Name: Kohistani K128

Kit Number: SL5528950
Name: Kohistani K134

Kit Number: XS3826409
Name: Kohistani K175

Kit Number: NC6613829
Name: Kohistani K290

Kit Number: RL6168905
Name: Kohistani K130

Kit Number: WH3249048
Name: Kohistani K141

Kit Number: ET8860122
Name: Kohistani K144

Kit Number: WG2047633
Name: Kohistani K146

Kit Number: HU7006546
Name: Kohistani K152

After all, they are not that far from your part of Pakistan :)

I didn't even realize there wasn't a Kohistani average yet.

I'll try to do it some time.

[Ion Basescul]

Looks one you are one who has nationalistic bias here. You are upset about these samples (weather accurate or not is irrelevant) because you and your people can't be modeled with them.
That's what you are upset about and that's exactly what you described here.

You want continuity and having such samples upsets your idea about genetic continuity in Moldova.
Than you go to attack Vbnethkio who maybe submited poor samples but it wasn't him who did it on purpose neither could he knew they aren't legit, if that is the case.

You chimped out insantly due to idea Getae could have been Illyrian like because your people pre-Slavic part isn't similar to that.

I read you like a book.Mate, if they plot like what vbn believes then everyone from my country would need 2-3x the Imperial Roman input to be modelled acceptably.

If I were to have an agenda, I would kiss vbn with the tongue, because everyone knows that I identify more with our Latin side than the native Getae/Dacian, with which we don't share anything apart from genes.

I don't want to see alternative samples that disagree with what everyone with a clean reputation has put forward (lab, Reich, authors, Davidski).

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[Ion Basescul]

Looks one you are one who has nationalistic bias here. You are upset about these samples (weather accurate or not is irrelevant) because you and your people can't be modeled with them.
That's what you are upset about and that's exactly what you described here.

You want continuity and having such samples upsets your idea about genetic continuity in Moldova.
Than you go to attack Vbnethkio who maybe submited poor samples but it wasn't him who did it on purpose neither could he knew they aren't legit, if that is the case.

You chimped out insantly due to idea Getae could have been Illyrian like because your people pre-Slavic part isn't similar to that.

I read you like a book.And talking about continuity in Moldova is nonsense.
If you knew a thing or two about us, you would realise that we are taught in school that the territory of Moldova got conquered from Tatars in the 14th century. It got colonised by Romanians from Maramures and we assimilated a lot of locals and others who arrived later.

We are never taught about having been here since the dawn of time, as opposed to Romanians in Transylvania for example for whom Geto-Dacians are more relevant.

That's why you see people in Moldova who are kind of similar to one another genetically and then obvious outliers both Northern and Southern.

We are a product of different people having grown and developped an identity under the same umbrella so to speak. It's not necessarily a blood connection with everyone who preceded us in living on this land.

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[ixulescu]

paleo-Balkanians were indeed similar to modern NW Italians, Corsicans and Iberians, only after that to Albanians and Greeks.


This is definitely false for the eastern half of the Balkans. Thracians were very much mixed with Greeks. Dacians were mixed with Thracians. Scythians were mixed with Dacians. They were easily distinguishable from Northern Italic tribes.

Italic admixture came much later, but never constituted a majority, like you suggest, even after Northern Balkans became Latinized.

[vbnetkhio]

This is definitely false for the eastern half of the Balkans. Thracians were very much mixed with Greeks. Dacians were mixed with Thracians. Scythians were mixed with Dacians. They were easily distinguishable from Northern Italic tribes.

Italic admixture came much later, but never constituted a majority, like you suggest, even after Northern Balkans became Latinized.

these are the samples which seem to form the main Thracian cluster. they all get Corsican first on Vahaduo:


I2520_Bulgaria_EBA_5132_ybp,23.15,16.12,30.59,0.13 ,25.02,3.53,0.00,0.35,0.00,0.00,1.12,0,0
I2176_Bulgaria_EBA_published_5132_ybp,24.99,12.62, 32.15,0.00,26.93,2.15,0.00,0.00,0.01,0.88,0.00,0.2 6,0
Bul6_Bulgaria_Beli_Breyag_EBA_4450_ybp,22.05,11.26 ,35.23,0.72,25.07,5.42,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.25,0, 0
I2175_Bulgaria_EBA_5122_ybp,25.65,9.85,35.91,0.00, 25.77,1.70,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0,1.11,0
I5769_Bulgaria_IA_2600_ybp,24.62,3.48,30.00,9.21,2 8.33,4.36,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0,0,0

i didn't mean they were close to Iron age Italians and far away from Mycenaeans and Dacians, you misunderstood me.
Mycenaeans and Dacians were neolithic/SW Euro shifted too, just like them.

[J. Ketch]

Updated English North and Midlands averages for K13/K15, if you could add please Lukasz

English_North, now based on 26 kits (mostly Lancashire & Yorkshire)


English_North,50.17,24.43,12.58,5.97,2.94,0.74,1.2 5,0.12,0.22,0.64,0.45,0.26,0.19
English_North,37.29,27.54,10.55,9.06,8.49,3.89,0.7 3,0.41,0.84,0.04,0.07,0.38,0.26,0.23,0.13

English_Midlands, now based on 20-21 kits


English_Midlands,50.12,23.10,13.93,6.42,3.03,0.60, 0.97,0.28,0.24,0.40,0.32,0.24,0.28
English_Midlands,36.01,28.82,9.69,8.79,9.48,4.46,0 .59,0.55,0.63,0.11,0.05,0.18,0.20,0.17,0.20

[Leto]

Updated English North and Midlands averages for K13/K15, if you could add please Lukasz

English_North, now based on 26 kits (mostly Lancashire & Yorkshire)


English_North,50.17,24.43,12.58,5.97,2.94,0.74,1.2 5,0.12,0.22,0.64,0.45,0.26,0.19
English_North,37.29,27.54,10.55,9.06,8.49,3.89,0.7 3,0.41,0.84,0.04,0.07,0.38,0.26,0.23,0.13

English_Midlands, now based on 20-21 kits


English_Midlands,50.12,23.10,13.93,6.42,3.03,0.60, 0.97,0.28,0.24,0.40,0.32,0.24,0.28
English_Midlands,36.01,28.82,9.69,8.79,9.48,4.46,0 .59,0.55,0.63,0.11,0.05,0.18,0.20,0.17,0.20
Maybe you could revisit the British Isles references on Dodecad K12b as well?

[J. Ketch]

Maybe you could revisit the British Isles references on Dodecad K12b as well?
I might make a couple of averages for it (Northern English and Welsh) when I can be bothered, seems to be a lot of British averages on it already, though not very accurate judging by people's results.

[Leto]

I might make a couple of averages for it (Northern English and Welsh) when I can be bothered, seems to be a lot of British averages on it already, though not very accurate judging by people's results.
Yes, almost all of them are bad. Cornwall, Kent, English, Irish, etc. Just do 2-3 basic ones (English, Irish, Scottish) and that'd be enough.

[Aren]

Baghdadi average based on kits from the Iraqi project


Iraqi_Baghdad,2.66,2.3,8.46,28.81,33.63,11.82,6.83 ,0.61,0.88,0.37,0.27,2.54,0.81

[Leto]

Baghdadi average based on kits from the Iraqi project


Iraqi_Baghdad,2.66,2.3,8.46,28.81,33.63,11.82,6.83 ,0.61,0.88,0.37,0.27,2.54,0.81
Please consider doing the same for Dodecad K12b. You do know we use it heavily for West Asia.

[vbnetkhio]

@Ion Basescul
why didn't you make a general "Romanian" average for vahaduo k13?
do you think such an average wouldn't be very useful?

[Aren]

Please consider doing the same for Dodecad K12b. You do know we use it heavily for West Asia.

Here are the averages for K12b. Same kits.



Iraqi_Baghdad,18.64,0.77,2.42,0.31,8.82,3.91,3.22, 2.3,20.37,0.79,37.64,0.8
Mandean,20.14,0.07,2.28,0.11,9.75,0.91,1.65,0.42,2 0.96,0.19,43.54,0
Iraqi_Jew,17.41,0.02,2.54,0.15,10.92,0.51,0.75,0.4 6,22.23,0.24,44.74,0
Assyrian_North,18.39,0.1,1.16,0.16,10.77,2.3,0.67, 0.09,19.02,0.11,47.22,0
Assyrian_West,17.46,0.09,1.42,0.13,11.51,2.31,0.47 ,0.17,19.11,0.11,47.21,0.02
Assyrian_South,17.88,0.14,1.52,0.19,10.92,2.02,0.7 4,0.28,19.27,0.17,46.83,0.02

[Leto]

Thank you Aren but is it necessary to have 3 Assyrian pops? I mean they look very similar to each other and the nation itself is not particularly big. Maybe one would be enough?

[Aren]

Thank you Aren but is it necessary to have 3 Assyrian pops? I mean they look very similar to each other and the nation itself is not particularly big. Maybe one would be enough?

Why not? Each Balkan ethnicity is represented by atleast five averages it seems. To put it into perspective the linguistical difference between Assyrians from NW Iran(Assyrian_North) and Western Assyrians is larger than the one between Croats and Bulgarians. Denominational wise we're also much more diverse than any European nation. Assyrian_North is dominated by adherents of the Assyrian Church of the East(neither Catholic nor Orthodox), Western Assyrians are mostly Orthodox and Southern Assyrians are mainly Catholics with a significant Orthodox minority.

[Leto]

Why not? Each Balkan ethnicity is represented by atleast five averages it seems. To put it into perspective the linguistical difference between Assyrians from NW Iran(Assyrian_North) and Western Assyrians is larger than the one between Croats and Bulgarians. Denominational wise we're also much more diverse than any European nation. Assyrian_North is dominated by adherents of the Assyrian Church of the East(neither Catholic nor Orthodox), Western Assyrians are mostly Orthodox and Southern Assyrians are mainly Catholics with a significant Orthodox minority.
Too bad none of them is Eastern Orthodox (we don't view the Orientals as Orthodox) :p

Okay, we'll add them all, though I'm not a big fan of extreme division. I mean some Balkan pops have like 5-7 different subsets.

[Aren]

Too bad none of them is Eastern Orthodox (we don't view the Orientals as Orthodox) :p

Okay, we'll add them all, though I'm not a big fan of extreme division. I mean some Balkan pops have like 5-7 different subsets.

Really?

[Leto]

Really?
Yes. Orthodoxy (pravoslavie) = Nicene-Chalcedonian Christianity. The Orientals are Apostolic but not in communion with us.

[Aren]

Iragi Baghdad as a mix of Iranian, Arab and Assyrian. Decent fit.

Target: Iraqi_Baghdad
Distance: 2.1215% / 2.12149856
45.8 Iranian_Fars
35.2 Assyrian_South
19.0 Bedouin

Adding Arab Levantines

Target: Iraqi_Baghdad
Distance: 1.0226% / 1.02255947
45.8 Iranian_Fars
35.2 Jordanians
16.6 Assyrian_South
2.4 Bedouin

[Leto]

Iragi Baghdad as a mix of Iranian, Arab and Assyrian. Decent fit.

Target: Iraqi_Baghdad
Distance: 2.1215% / 2.12149856
45.8 Iranian_Fars
35.2 Assyrian_South
19.0 Bedouin

Adding Arab Levantines

Target: Iraqi_Baghdad
Distance: 1.0226% / 1.02255947
45.8 Iranian_Fars
35.2 Jordanians
16.6 Assyrian_South
2.4 Bedouin
Yeah, pretty cool. Thanks for the contribution.

@Lucas, please add that post of Aren's to Vahaduo Dodecad K12b.

[Aren]

The Levantine averages for K12b are terrible. I made one for Palestinian Christians and one for Christians from Southwestern Syrian(N=19 and 16 respectively). However they are extremely similar as expected so maybe they should be merged. What you think Leto?


Palestinian_Christian,9.34,0.06,4.3,0,15.12,1.29,0 .25,1.57,25.1,0.09,42.87,0
Syria_SW_Christian,9.5,0.12,4.55,0.04,15.11,0.57,0 .1,1.7,25.65,0.17,42.48,0

[Leto]

Interesting. Are the Syrians Arabic speakers? Greek Orthodox or Roman Catholic? Yeah, look almost identical to my surprise.

[Aren]

Interesting. Are the Syrians Arabic speakers? Greek Orthodox or Roman Catholic? Yeah, look almost identical to my surprise.

Both groups are Greek Orthodox or Greek Melkite. I suspect Syrian Christians from the NW might be different, less SW and more Northern Euro and Gedrosia.

[Leto]

Both groups are Greek Orthodox or Greek Melkite. I suspect Syrian Christians from the NW might be different, less SW and more Northern Euro and Gedrosia.
I think we also need a Sunni Muslim average because that group is the most numerous.

[Lucas]

Updated English North and Midlands averages for K13/K15, if you could add please Lukasz

English_North, now based on 26 kits (mostly Lancashire & Yorkshire)


English_North,50.17,24.43,12.58,5.97,2.94,0.74,1.2 5,0.12,0.22,0.64,0.45,0.26,0.19
English_North,37.29,27.54,10.55,9.06,8.49,3.89,0.7 3,0.41,0.84,0.04,0.07,0.38,0.26,0.23,0.13

English_Midlands, now based on 20-21 kits


English_Midlands,50.12,23.10,13.93,6.42,3.03,0.60, 0.97,0.28,0.24,0.40,0.32,0.24,0.28
English_Midlands,36.01,28.82,9.69,8.79,9.48,4.46,0 .59,0.55,0.63,0.11,0.05,0.18,0.20,0.17,0.20

updated

[Lucas]

Baghdadi average based on kits from the Iraqi project


Iraqi_Baghdad,2.66,2.3,8.46,28.81,33.63,11.82,6.83 ,0.61,0.88,0.37,0.27,2.54,0.81

added

[Lucas]

Here are the averages for K12b. Same kits.



Iraqi_Baghdad,18.64,0.77,2.42,0.31,8.82,3.91,3.22, 2.3,20.37,0.79,37.64,0.8
Mandean,20.14,0.07,2.28,0.11,9.75,0.91,1.65,0.42,2 0.96,0.19,43.54,0
Iraqi_Jew,17.41,0.02,2.54,0.15,10.92,0.51,0.75,0.4 6,22.23,0.24,44.74,0
Assyrian_North,18.39,0.1,1.16,0.16,10.77,2.3,0.67, 0.09,19.02,0.11,47.22,0
Assyrian_West,17.46,0.09,1.42,0.13,11.51,2.31,0.47 ,0.17,19.11,0.11,47.21,0.02
Assyrian_South,17.88,0.14,1.52,0.19,10.92,2.02,0.7 4,0.28,19.27,0.17,46.83,0.02
added

[Lucas]

The Levantine averages for K12b are terrible. I made one for Palestinian Christians and one for Christians from Southwestern Syrian(N=19 and 16 respectively). However they are extremely similar as expected so maybe they should be merged. What you think Leto?


Palestinian_Christian,9.34,0.06,4.3,0,15.12,1.29,0 .25,1.57,25.1,0.09,42.87,0
Syria_SW_Christian,9.5,0.12,4.55,0.04,15.11,0.57,0 .1,1.7,25.65,0.17,42.48,0

added too

[Ion Basescul]

added too

Please replace the old averages for these



Moldova_average,23.50,29.88,15.61,9.93,15.16,1.86, 0.85,0.62,1.32,0.53,0.41,0.14,0.20
Moldova_Centre,23.30,30.44,15.09,10.01,14.77,1.87, 1.22,0.60,1.44,0.52,0.38,0.14,0.20
Moldova_South,21.68,25.46,18.06,10.91,18.15,2.51,0 .41,0.61,1.02,0.58,0.39,0.10,0.12


Romania_Moldavia_South,24.03,26.54,17.22,9.96,16.5 8,1.99,0.72,0.54,1.13,0.62,0.40,0.11,0.17


Romania_Wallachia,22.72,24.76,17.75,11.10,18.32,2. 03,0.71,0.69,0.86,0.48,0.36,0.12,0.09
Romania_Muntenia,21.89,24.46,17.54,11.50,18.85,2.2 4,0.73,0.57,1.04,0.57,0.36,0.15,0.09
Romania_Oltenia,23.55,25.06,17.95,10.70,17.79,1.82 ,0.69,0.80,0.68,0.40,0.37,0.10,0.10
Romania_Dobruja,21.84,24.74,17.91,10.69,19.40,2.16 ,0.59,0.92,1.04,0.33,0.27,0.04,0.06


Romania_Transylvania,24.28,25.90,17.42,10.21,16.97 ,1.83,0.67,0.53,1.06,0.59,0.37,0.07,0.10
Romania_Maramures,24.35,29.56,16.63,8.76,15.28,1.9 1,1.14,0.81,0.72,0.27,0.47,0.09,0.00
Romania_Crisana,25.28,27.00,17.90,9.30,15.96,1.27, 0.51,0.67,0.98,0.64,0.29,0.12,0.07
Romania_Banat,22.44,25.76,17.87,10.56,17.93,2.11,0 .85,0.54,1.16,0.44,0.19,0.07,0.10


Romania_average,23.31,26.03,17.34,10.46,17.38,1.95 ,0.70,0.65,1.09,0.52,0.36,0.12,0.09

[Jana]

Central Croatia average somehow vanished! :(

Please add it back!


Croat_Croatia_Central,30.20,33.91,14.98,7.32,9.69, 1.11,0.84,0.23,0.35,0.44,0.66,0.05,0.28

[Aren]

New averages for Iranian(N=26) and Azeri Jews(N=24). The old ones were really inaccurate.


Iranian_Jew,18.9,0.26,2.14,0.18,9.93,1.35,1.48,0.3 1,21.11,0.15,44.21,0
Azeri_Jew,18.75,0.27,1.41,0.16,10.13,2.3,0.91,0.3, 18.88,0.16,46.72,0

[Dušan]

Trying paleo-Balkan heritage with new averages.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?332658-Greek-regional-Eurogenes-k13-averages

I could model well if I add Sardinians, too.

Very nice fit of less than 2.

Target: Dušan
Distance: 1.6750% / 1.67501765
55.8 Ukrainian_Belgorod
19.2 Sardinian
15.6 Greek_Crete
9.4 RU_Pinega



Without Sardinians

Target: Dušan
Distance: 3.8919% / 3.89187963
50.4 Ukrainian
42.2 Greek_Central_Macedonia
7.4 Kargopol_Russian

[vbnetkhio]

Lucas, could you update these:

Serb_Serbia,24.70,29.25,17.13,9.15,15.74,1.58,0.55 ,0.29,0.74,0.58,0.24,0.06,0.06
Serb_Serbia_South&East,23.74,27.87,17.17,9.48,17.65,1.91,0.54,0.13,0 .72,0.38,0.29,0.02,0.10
Serb_Serbia_West&Central,24.81,29.59,17.22,9.17,15.28,1.44,0.53,0.2 7,0.86,0.64,0.16,0.07,0.04
Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina,25.35,29.43,16.72,8.69,15.46 ,1.76,0.60,0.53,0.28,0.56,0.50,0.05,0.06
Serb_B&H,24.85,30.60,16.79,9.15,14.33,1.63,0.54,0.34,0.81 ,0.45,0.48,0.03,0.05
Serb_B&H_Krajina,24.09,30.43,17.43,9.97,14.29,1.32,0.46,0 .28,0.80,0.30,0.67,0.02,0.11
Serb_B&H_Bosnia_proper,25.87,31.26,16.23,8.33,13.67,1.71, 0.71,0.47,0.91,0.50,0.28,0.05,0.01
Serb_B&H_Herzegovina,23.78,28.62,16.48,9.14,17.22,2.61,0. 23,0.03,0.45,0.83,0.59,0.02,0.00
Serb_Croatia,25.64,29.20,16.90,9.34,15.25,1.52,0.6 3,0.28,0.50,0.34,0.31,0.06,0.02
Serb_Croatia_Lika,25.65,29.29,17.53,8.00,15.12,2.1 4,0.47,0.41,0.55,0.30,0.42,0.09,0.04
Serb_Croatia_Dalmatia,26.35,28.38,16.96,9.14,15.56 ,1.08,0.44,0.22,0.78,0.38,0.58,0.13,0.02
Serb_Croatia_Kordun&Banija,25.43,29.41,16.70,9.79,15.21,1.47,0.74,0.26 ,0.40,0.34,0.20,0.03,0.02
Montenegrin,24.59,25.60,18.00,10.24,17.34,2.29,0.2 1,0.24,0.71,0.43,0.25,0.02,0.07
Serb,24.82,29.33,17.08,9.20,15.53,1.60,0.54,0.29,0 .72,0.53,0.28,0.05,0.05

Bosniak_Sarajevo,24.88,32.47,15.40,8.91,13.89,1.77 ,0.79,0.51,0.57,0.47,0.26,0.02,0.06

Macedonian,20.91,22.72,20.13,11.24,20.93,2.36,0.10 ,0.64,0.67,0.08,0.16,0.00,0.07

Albanian,21.21,17.81,21.54,11.15,24.03,2.70,0.15,0 .41,0.22,0.15,0.25,0.08,0.05
Albanian_Albania,20.74,17.25,22.08,11.11,24.51,2.6 5,0.18,0.17,0.29,0.25,0.24,0.15,0.11
Albanian_central_Albania,19.14,17.09,22.60,12.45,2 4.06,2.79,0.27,0.24,0.37,0.14,0.48,0.27,0.11
Albanian_Kosovo,22.64,18.00,21.67,11.80,22.07,2.50 ,0.35,0.36,0.20,0.13,0.25,0.01,0.01
Albanian_Macedonia,21.35,18.96,20.95,9.86,24.26,3. 08,0.00,0.45,0.25,0.00,0.29,0.01,0.00
Albanian_Montenegro,21.07,18.18,20.39,11.91,24.31, 2.68,0.00,1.12,0.00,0.00,0.28,0.05,0.00
Albanian_north_Albania,21.93,17.97,22.46,10.28,23. 63,2.69,0.10,0.13,0.13,0.24,0.08,0.01,0.00
Albanian_south_Albania,21.15,16.69,21.18,10.61,25. 84,2.47,0.17,0.14,0.39,0.37,0.16,0.16,0.21

remove these:

Central_Greek,16.86,10.36,21.47,15.44,29.25,5.03,0 .29,0.24,0.14,0.32,0.56,0.03,0.01
GR_Macedonia,16.955,18.8833333333,19.22,14.8316666 667,24.9683333333,3.0516666667,0.3616666667,0.385, 0.6433333333,0,0.485,0.18,0.035
GR_Peloponese,18.50375,15.75625,19.3175,12.96125,2 6.99875,3.585,1.23375,0.375,0.34375,0.205,0.50875, 0.2075,0.00125
Greek_Dodecanese,11.6,4.81,21.36,16.98,35.05,7.015 ,1.49,0.58,0.36,0.33,0.07,0.27,0.13
Greek_Peloponnese,18.56,14.36,21.06,15.04,24.24,5. 05,0,0.57,0.29,0.28,0.17,0,0.32
Greek_Thessaloniki,19.32,20.53,20.5,11.27,25.05,2. 32,0,0,0.73,0.29,0,0,0
Greek_Thessaly,19.12,16.32,20.63,11.87,25.40,3.83, 1.35,0.09,0.20,0.70,0.32,0.13,0.03
Greek_Western-Macedonia,22.83,18.2,18.37,13.76,23.52,1.52,0,0.49 ,1.28,0,0,0,0
Kosovo_Albanian,22.4377777778,17.9844444444,20.775 5555556,12.7611111111,22.0188888889,2.4544444444,0 .3922222222,0.37,0.1777777778,0.2466666667,0.34,0. 0233333333,0.0166666667

and add these:

Greek_Northeast,20.18,16.56,20.31,13.42,24.38,3.47 ,0.20,0.26,0.34,0.53,0.20,0.04,0.10
Greek_Athens,17.98,12.99,21.25,14.22,27.77,3.93,0. 32,0.47,0.29,0.16,0.24,0.14,0.25
Greek_West_Macedonia,20.56,15.60,20.43,13.81,24.46 ,3.48,0.14,0.29,0.43,0.49,0.11,0.22,0
Greek_North_Aegean,14.57,8.12,21.16,16.95,32.41,5. 20,0.62,0.24,0.25,0.07,0.17,0.23,0.02
Greek_Crete,13.22,9.49,20.29,17.33,32.47,5.12,0.27 ,0.24,0.20,0.15,0.60,0.47,0.16
Greek_Cyclades,17.87,9.96,20.68,15.25,28.66,4.63,0 .10,0.57,0.50,0.54,0.53,0.16,0.08
Greek_Central,17.81,13.51,20.59,14.66,27.30,4.05,0 .60,0.29,0.33,0.42,0.40,0.03,0.01
Greek_Ionia,16.28,11.33,20.69,15.75,29.74,4.46,0.0 9,0.62,0.26,0.20,0.36,0.18,0.05
Greek_Dodecanese,12.59,6.27,20.44,18.63,33.75,6.15 ,0.72,0.46,0.28,0.21,0.24,0.17,0.09
Greek_Thessaly,20.88,16.97,20.47,11.67,24.62,3.45, 0.50,0.40,0.37,0.495,0.30,0.04,0.09
Greek_Peloponnese,18.68,15.50,20.35,13.16,26.48,3. 48,0.73,0.30,0.30,0.36,0.49,0.16,0.02
Greek_West,19.36,16.49,21.06,12.79,26.50,2.08,0.03 ,0.40,0.26,0.37,0.25,0.07,0.03
Greek_Central_Macedonia,18.99,17.79,21.11,12.46,24 .88,2.53,0.36,0.37,0.21,0.55,0.18,0.23,0.19

[Leto]

New averages for Iranian(N=26) and Azeri Jews(N=24). The old ones were really inaccurate.


Iranian_Jew,18.9,0.26,2.14,0.18,9.93,1.35,1.48,0.3 1,21.11,0.15,44.21,0
Azeri_Jew,18.75,0.27,1.41,0.16,10.13,2.3,0.91,0.3, 18.88,0.16,46.72,0


added too
Remove Uzbekistan_Jewish from Dodecad. It's apparently inaccurate and not exactly valuable anyway. We'll do a better one if we find the data.

[J. Ketch]

Updated + new averages for K13 and K15 based on:

English_North: 66 kits
English_Midlands: 39 kits
English_Southeast: 25/26 kits
Irish_Munster: 28 kits

K13


English_North,50.42,23.90,13.05,5.85,3.14,0.72,1.0 4,0.11,0.25,0.62,0.43,0.21,0.21
English_Midlands,50.28,23.20,13.60,5.57,3.68,0.80, 1.11,0.20,0.25,0.41,0.37,0.25,0.21
English_Southeast,48.88,22.88,14.42,6.25,3.93,0.63 ,0.99,0.24,0.24,0.48,0.51,0.29,0.18
Irish_Munster,52.98,23.00,12.26,6.67,1.62,0.22,1.3 6,0.19,0.27,0.79,0.23,0.17,0.18

How they plot:

https://i.postimg.cc/VN8V0JHg/k13newcomparison.png

K15



English_North,36.94,27.98,10.26,8.92,8.95,3.74,0.9 5,0.43,0.69,0.04,0.08,0.35,0.26,0.18,0.15
English_Midlands,36.76,28.18,9.80,8.56,9.42,3.72,1 .21,0.59,0.80,0.08,0.06,0.18,0.21,0.18,0.16
English_Southeast,35.89,27.20,9.41,8.94,10.32,4.35 ,1.64,0.38,0.66,0.11,0.09,0.26,0.33,0.20,0.13
Irish_Munster,37.47,30.26,9.72,8.59,7.39,4.38,0.13 ,0.10,0.87,0.08,0.08,0.50,0.13,0.10,0.14

https://i.postimg.cc/m21XdYvV/k15newcomp.png

Included English_Southeast because it plots differently to the Eurogenes average (Southeast_English), but you don't have to add it.

[Lucas]

Updated + new averages for K13 and K15 based on:

English_North: 66 kits
English_Midlands: 39 kits
English_Southeast: 25/26 kits
Irish_Munster: 28 kits

K13


English_North,50.42,23.90,13.05,5.85,3.14,0.72,1.0 4,0.11,0.25,0.62,0.43,0.21,0.21
English_Midlands,50.28,23.20,13.60,5.57,3.68,0.80, 1.11,0.20,0.25,0.41,0.37,0.25,0.21
English_Southeast,48.88,22.88,14.42,6.25,3.93,0.63 ,0.99,0.24,0.24,0.48,0.51,0.29,0.18
Irish_Munster,52.98,23.00,12.26,6.67,1.62,0.22,1.3 6,0.19,0.27,0.79,0.23,0.17,0.18

How they plot:

https://i.postimg.cc/VN8V0JHg/k13newcomparison.png

K15



English_North,36.94,27.98,10.26,8.92,8.95,3.74,0.9 5,0.43,0.69,0.04,0.08,0.35,0.26,0.18,0.15
English_Midlands,36.76,28.18,9.80,8.56,9.42,3.72,1 .21,0.59,0.80,0.08,0.06,0.18,0.21,0.18,0.16
English_Southeast,35.89,27.20,9.41,8.94,10.32,4.35 ,1.64,0.38,0.66,0.11,0.09,0.26,0.33,0.20,0.13
Irish_Munster,37.47,30.26,9.72,8.59,7.39,4.38,0.13 ,0.10,0.87,0.08,0.08,0.50,0.13,0.10,0.14

https://i.postimg.cc/m21XdYvV/k15newcomp.png

Included English_Southeast because it plots differently to the Eurogenes average (Southeast_English), but you don't have to add it.

Will be updated.

I will add Scottish regions later too. At least Highlands and Uplands.

[J. Ketch]

Will be updated.

I will add Scottish regions later too. At least Highlands and Uplands.
Cool, I can probably make an average for Ulster Scots soon too.

[JamesBond007]

Updated + new averages for K13 and K15 based on:

English_North: 66 kits
English_Midlands: 39 kits
English_Southeast: 25/26 kits
Irish_Munster: 28 kits

K13


English_North,50.42,23.90,13.05,5.85,3.14,0.72,1.0 4,0.11,0.25,0.62,0.43,0.21,0.21
English_Midlands,50.28,23.20,13.60,5.57,3.68,0.80, 1.11,0.20,0.25,0.41,0.37,0.25,0.21
English_Southeast,48.88,22.88,14.42,6.25,3.93,0.63 ,0.99,0.24,0.24,0.48,0.51,0.29,0.18
Irish_Munster,52.98,23.00,12.26,6.67,1.62,0.22,1.3 6,0.19,0.27,0.79,0.23,0.17,0.18

How they plot:

[IMG]https://i.postimg.cc/VN8V0JHg/k13newcomparison.png[/IMG[

K15



English_North,36.94,27.98,10.26,8.92,8.95,3.74,0.9 5,0.43,0.69,0.04,0.08,0.35,0.26,0.18,0.15
English_Midlands,36.76,28.18,9.80,8.56,9.42,3.72,1 .21,0.59,0.80,0.08,0.06,0.18,0.21,0.18,0.16
English_Southeast,35.89,27.20,9.41,8.94,10.32,4.35 ,1.64,0.38,0.66,0.11,0.09,0.26,0.33,0.20,0.13
Irish_Munster,37.47,30.26,9.72,8.59,7.39,4.38,0.13 ,0.10,0.87,0.08,0.08,0.50,0.13,0.10,0.14

[IMG]https://i.postimg.cc/m21XdYvV/k15newcomp.png[/IMG[

Included English_Southeast because it plots differently to the Eurogenes average (Southeast_English), but you don't have to add it.

IMHO, Eurogenes K15 is the better calculator for this because it splits NorthSea (Germanic) from insular Celtic (Atlantic) and because the English are more Eastern shifted than the Irish hence breaking down Batlic might help here too :


Eurogenes K15 Vahaduo :

Distanceto: Kevin
2.47523736 English_North
2.65992481 Welsh
2.72343533 English_Southeast
2.81405402 English_Midlands
2.81662919 England
2.88652040 Dutch
3.75050663 Scotland
4.18812607 Irish_Munster
4.22808467 Southwest_English
4.41881206 North_Dutch
4.61092182 FRA_Armorica
4.97456531 West_Scottish


Eurogenes K13 vahaduo:

Distance to: Kevin
3.88243480 Irish
4.00098738 Welsh
4.02877152 English_North
4.15497292 English
4.17688879 Scottish
4.24491460 Irish_Munster
4.42910826 Orcadian
4.58037116 English_Midlands
4.62673751 English_Southeast
4.84246838 West_Scottish
5.40641286 Southwest_English

[JamesBond007]

Cool, I can probably make an average for Ulster Scots soon too.

That would be great. Thanks, for the all the work here adding the samples !

[Leto]

Lukasz, did you update the rest?

[Grace O'Malley]

Updated + new averages for K13 and K15 based on:

English_North: 66 kits
English_Midlands: 39 kits
English_Southeast: 25/26 kits
Irish_Munster: 28 kits

K13


English_North,50.42,23.90,13.05,5.85,3.14,0.72,1.0 4,0.11,0.25,0.62,0.43,0.21,0.21
English_Midlands,50.28,23.20,13.60,5.57,3.68,0.80, 1.11,0.20,0.25,0.41,0.37,0.25,0.21
English_Southeast,48.88,22.88,14.42,6.25,3.93,0.63 ,0.99,0.24,0.24,0.48,0.51,0.29,0.18
Irish_Munster,52.98,23.00,12.26,6.67,1.62,0.22,1.3 6,0.19,0.27,0.79,0.23,0.17,0.18

How they plot:

https://i.postimg.cc/VN8V0JHg/k13newcomparison.png

K15



English_North,36.94,27.98,10.26,8.92,8.95,3.74,0.9 5,0.43,0.69,0.04,0.08,0.35,0.26,0.18,0.15
English_Midlands,36.76,28.18,9.80,8.56,9.42,3.72,1 .21,0.59,0.80,0.08,0.06,0.18,0.21,0.18,0.16
English_Southeast,35.89,27.20,9.41,8.94,10.32,4.35 ,1.64,0.38,0.66,0.11,0.09,0.26,0.33,0.20,0.13
Irish_Munster,37.47,30.26,9.72,8.59,7.39,4.38,0.13 ,0.10,0.87,0.08,0.08,0.50,0.13,0.10,0.14

https://i.postimg.cc/m21XdYvV/k15newcomp.png

Included English_Southeast because it plots differently to the Eurogenes average (Southeast_English), but you don't have to add it.

Just tried this being half Munster.

Distance to: Grace
3.13561796 North-Dutch
3.36795190 Irish
3.82745346 Norwegian
3.93558128 Scottish
4.08412781 English_North
4.09937800 Irish_Munster
4.10454626 West_Scottish
4.15441933 Orcadian
4.45470538 Denmark
4.51603809 English_North
4.68362039 Norway_South_Central
5.03711227 Sweden_Götaland
5.07089736 English
5.40668105 English_Midlands
5.50576062 English_Midlands
5.93609299 North_German
5.96929644 Danish
6.60856263 English_Southeast
6.61623004 Sweden_Svealand_West
6.82215508 Southeast_English
6.87663435 Southwest_English
6.94936688 Welsh
7.66868959 Swedish
8.03895516 FRA_Armorica
8.38923715 German_West

Target: Grace
Distance: 1.7339% / 1.73387774
50.8 Norwegian
47.2 Scottish
2.0 Tabassaran

K15 is much better.

Distance to: Grace
3.43841533 Irish
3.56359369 West_Scottish
3.71196713 Irish_Munster
4.18270248 North_Dutch
4.85860062 Scotland
4.89050100 English_North
4.98057226 Dutch
5.13658447 England
5.17952701 English_North
5.38257373 Welsh
5.48472424 EEnglish_Midlands
5.48894343 Orcadian
5.68003521 Southeast_English
5.72346049 English_Midlands
5.89959321 North_German
5.98392012 Danish
6.97787933 English_Southeast
7.47078309 Southwest_English
7.89285753 Swedish
7.95506757 Norway
7.98239939 FRA_Armorica
8.40683056 Norwegian
8.72043004 West_Norwegian
9.69024767 North_Swedish
9.74426498 Belgium

Target: Grace
Distance: 2.7287% / 2.72874215
45.0 Irish
27.8 Irish_Munster
14.6 Danish
8.8 West_Scottish
1.8 Chechen
1.8 Estonian
0.2 Karitiana

Brother's result

K13

Distance to: James
3.01522802 Irish
3.24752213 Irish_Munster
3.46151701 Scottish
4.18208082 West_Scottish
4.32296195 English_North
4.52370423 English_North
4.53580202 English_Midlands
4.64296242 Orcadian
4.67360674 Welsh
4.88955008 English
5.13824873 North-Dutch
5.30168841 English_Midlands
5.90113548 English_Southeast
5.92472784 Southwest_English
6.36709510 Norwegian
6.71545233 Denmark
6.94503420 Southeast_English
7.19092484 Norway_South_Central
7.22950206 FRA_Armorica
7.39820248 Sweden_Götaland
7.42495118 North_German
7.75466311 Danish
8.84359655 German_West
8.84834448 Sweden_Svealand_West
9.74591709 Swedish

Target: James
Distance: 2.0650% / 2.06501700
48.0 Irish_Munster
27.8 Welsh
21.6 Norwegian
2.6 Kalash


K15

Distance to: James
2.46870411 Scotland
2.57612112 Irish_Munster
2.57689736 Welsh
2.84849083 English_North
3.09189262 English_North
3.24625939 Orcadian
3.36902063 EEnglish_Midlands
3.45864135 Dutch
3.46612175 England
3.49729896 English_Midlands
3.82882489 West_Scottish
4.37418564 English_Southeast
4.43762324 North_Dutch
4.60527958 Irish
4.81108096 Southeast_English
5.68899815 Southwest_English
6.05658320 Danish
6.40571620 FRA_Armorica
7.28976680 North_German
7.35709182 Norway
7.71242504 Norwegian
7.78669378 West_Norwegian
8.01908349 Swedish
8.67170110 Belgium
9.52191157 North_Swedish

Target: James
Distance: 1.4086% / 1.40856522
48.4 Irish_Munster
16.0 Welsh
13.0 Orcadian
10.2 Scotland
9.6 West_Norwegian
2.4 Tabassaran
0.4 Mari

[J. Ketch]

Just tried this being half Munster.

Distance to: Grace
3.13561796 North-Dutch
3.36795190 Irish
3.82745346 Norwegian
3.93558128 Scottish
4.08412781 English_North
4.09937800 Irish_Munster
4.10454626 West_Scottish
4.15441933 Orcadian
4.45470538 Denmark
4.51603809 English_North
4.68362039 Norway_South_Central
5.03711227 Sweden_Götaland
5.07089736 English
5.40668105 English_Midlands
5.50576062 English_Midlands
5.93609299 North_German
5.96929644 Danish
6.60856263 English_Southeast
6.61623004 Sweden_Svealand_West
6.82215508 Southeast_English
6.87663435 Southwest_English
6.94936688 Welsh
7.66868959 Swedish
8.03895516 FRA_Armorica
8.38923715 German_West

Target: Grace
Distance: 1.7339% / 1.73387774
50.8 Norwegian
47.2 Scottish
2.0 Tabassaran

K15 is much better.

Distance to: Grace
3.43841533 Irish
3.56359369 West_Scottish
3.71196713 Irish_Munster
4.18270248 North_Dutch
4.85860062 Scotland
4.89050100 English_North
4.98057226 Dutch
5.13658447 England
5.17952701 English_North
5.38257373 Welsh
5.48472424 EEnglish_Midlands
5.48894343 Orcadian
5.68003521 Southeast_English
5.72346049 English_Midlands
5.89959321 North_German
5.98392012 Danish
6.97787933 English_Southeast
7.47078309 Southwest_English
7.89285753 Swedish
7.95506757 Norway
7.98239939 FRA_Armorica
8.40683056 Norwegian
8.72043004 West_Norwegian
9.69024767 North_Swedish
9.74426498 Belgium

Target: Grace
Distance: 2.7287% / 2.72874215
45.0 Irish
27.8 Irish_Munster
14.6 Danish
8.8 West_Scottish
1.8 Chechen
1.8 Estonian
0.2 Karitiana
The Munster kits were mostly found by Graham, mostly from Clare, some from Kerry+Cork. The Donegal kits so far (7-8) are extreme Irish, as you can see on the PCA. I'll be interested to see how Leinster compares when I get enough kits for it.

[Grace O'Malley]

My mother is wholly of North Munster descent

K13

Distance to: Bridget
3.16558052 Irish
3.52106518 Irish_Munster
3.56185345 Scottish
3.64547665 English_North
3.67194771 English_Midlands
3.83184029 English_North
4.10190200 English
4.23387529 Welsh
4.28544047 Orcadian
4.33636945 West_Scottish
4.49586477 English_Midlands
4.82193944 English_Southeast
5.13806384 North-Dutch
5.42839755 Southwest_English
6.09442368 FRA_Armorica
6.22804945 Southeast_English
6.69278716 Norwegian
6.83338862 North_German
6.83796753 Denmark
7.28066618 Danish
7.37328285 Norway_South_Central
7.53598700 Sweden_Götaland
7.82297258 German_West
8.91114471 Sweden_Svealand_West
9.60227056 Swedish

Target: Bridget
Distance: 1.1066% / 1.10658795
39.2 Irish_Munster
38.8 Welsh
17.6 Norwegian
3.6 Kalash
0.8 Estonian

K15

Distance to: Bridget
2.67411668 Irish_Munster
2.77593228 EEnglish_Midlands
2.79969641 England
2.81622087 Welsh
3.29822680 English_North
3.32270974 English_North
3.45933520 English_Midlands
3.72511745 Irish
3.82649971 Dutch
4.02479813 Southeast_English
4.07688607 West_Scottish
4.23024822 English_Southeast
4.26872346 Scotland
4.75162078 Orcadian
4.77049264 North_Dutch
4.78416137 Southwest_English
5.36185602 FRA_Armorica
5.98895650 North_German
7.15390103 Danish
7.34145081 Belgium
8.71921441 Norway
8.99645486 South_Dutch
9.03181045 Swedish
9.09906589 Norwegian
9.70568390 West_Norwegian

Target: Bridget
Distance: 0.9959% / 0.99594659
74.4 Irish_Munster
20.2 Welsh
2.4 North_Ossetian
1.2 Lithuanian
1.0 Dharkar
0.8 French_Basque

[J. Ketch]

My mother is wholly of North Munster descent

K13

Distance to: Bridget
3.16558052 Irish
3.52106518 Irish_Munster
3.56185345 Scottish
3.64547665 English_North
3.67194771 English_Midlands
3.83184029 English_North
4.10190200 English
4.23387529 Welsh
4.28544047 Orcadian
4.33636945 West_Scottish
4.49586477 English_Midlands
4.82193944 English_Southeast
5.13806384 North-Dutch
5.42839755 Southwest_English
6.09442368 FRA_Armorica
6.22804945 Southeast_English
6.69278716 Norwegian
6.83338862 North_German
6.83796753 Denmark
7.28066618 Danish
7.37328285 Norway_South_Central
7.53598700 Sweden_Götaland
7.82297258 German_West
8.91114471 Sweden_Svealand_West
9.60227056 Swedish

Target: Bridget
Distance: 1.1066% / 1.10658795
39.2 Irish_Munster
38.8 Welsh
17.6 Norwegian
3.6 Kalash
0.8 Estonian

K15

Distance to: Bridget
2.67411668 Irish_Munster
2.77593228 EEnglish_Midlands
2.79969641 England
2.81622087 Welsh
3.29822680 English_North
3.32270974 English_North
3.45933520 English_Midlands
3.72511745 Irish
3.82649971 Dutch
4.02479813 Southeast_English
4.07688607 West_Scottish
4.23024822 English_Southeast
4.26872346 Scotland
4.75162078 Orcadian
4.77049264 North_Dutch
4.78416137 Southwest_English
5.36185602 FRA_Armorica
5.98895650 North_German
7.15390103 Danish
7.34145081 Belgium
8.71921441 Norway
8.99645486 South_Dutch
9.03181045 Swedish
9.09906589 Norwegian
9.70568390 West_Norwegian

Target: Bridget
Distance: 0.9959% / 0.99594659
74.4 Irish_Munster
20.2 Welsh
2.4 North_Ossetian
1.2 Lithuanian
1.0 Dharkar
0.8 French_Basque
Might add her as a reference if that's OK?

[Grace O'Malley]

The Munster kits were mostly found by Graham, mostly from Clare, some from Kerry+Cork. The Donegal kits so far (7-8) are extreme Irish, as you can see on the PCA. I'll be interested to see how Leinster compares when I get enough kits for it.

That backs up what that Scottish study said as well that Donegal was the most isolated population in Ireland.

[Grace O'Malley]

Might add her as a reference if that's OK?

Sure. She's from North Tipperary.

[Graham]

That backs up what that Scottish study said as well that Donegal was the most isolated population in Ireland.

The things you can do, when under a lockdown in the house for a few months.

[Grace O'Malley]

The things you can do, when under a lockdown in the house for a few months.

Thanks for getting all of these Graham. I'd like to see some of the Scottish regional results and would also like one from Connacht. It should really make these calculators very accurate.

[Graham]

Thanks for getting all of these Graham. I'd like to see some of the Scottish regional results and would also like one from Connacht. It should really make these calculators very accurate.

Peterski asked me for some. Something might be happening there is not, will put them up.

have seen a few extreme results. This one I'm suspecting is the Isle of Eigg. But defo Western Isles/Hebrides. Bit like the Donegal lot I think. The other is from Fife on the other side.




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[Lucas]

Updated + new averages for K13 and K15 based on:

English_North: 66 kits
English_Midlands: 39 kits
English_Southeast: 25/26 kits
Irish_Munster: 28 kits

K13


English_North,50.42,23.90,13.05,5.85,3.14,0.72,1.0 4,0.11,0.25,0.62,0.43,0.21,0.21
English_Midlands,50.28,23.20,13.60,5.57,3.68,0.80, 1.11,0.20,0.25,0.41,0.37,0.25,0.21
English_Southeast,48.88,22.88,14.42,6.25,3.93,0.63 ,0.99,0.24,0.24,0.48,0.51,0.29,0.18
Irish_Munster,52.98,23.00,12.26,6.67,1.62,0.22,1.3 6,0.19,0.27,0.79,0.23,0.17,0.18

How they plot:

https://i.postimg.cc/VN8V0JHg/k13newcomparison.png

K15



English_North,36.94,27.98,10.26,8.92,8.95,3.74,0.9 5,0.43,0.69,0.04,0.08,0.35,0.26,0.18,0.15
English_Midlands,36.76,28.18,9.80,8.56,9.42,3.72,1 .21,0.59,0.80,0.08,0.06,0.18,0.21,0.18,0.16
English_Southeast,35.89,27.20,9.41,8.94,10.32,4.35 ,1.64,0.38,0.66,0.11,0.09,0.26,0.33,0.20,0.13
Irish_Munster,37.47,30.26,9.72,8.59,7.39,4.38,0.13 ,0.10,0.87,0.08,0.08,0.50,0.13,0.10,0.14


Included English_Southeast because it plots differently to the Eurogenes average (Southeast_English), but you don't have to add it.
done

[Lucas]

Please replace the old averages for these



Moldova_average,23.50,29.88,15.61,9.93,15.16,1.86, 0.85,0.62,1.32,0.53,0.41,0.14,0.20
Moldova_Centre,23.30,30.44,15.09,10.01,14.77,1.87, 1.22,0.60,1.44,0.52,0.38,0.14,0.20
Moldova_South,21.68,25.46,18.06,10.91,18.15,2.51,0 .41,0.61,1.02,0.58,0.39,0.10,0.12


Romania_Moldavia_South,24.03,26.54,17.22,9.96,16.5 8,1.99,0.72,0.54,1.13,0.62,0.40,0.11,0.17


Romania_Wallachia,22.72,24.76,17.75,11.10,18.32,2. 03,0.71,0.69,0.86,0.48,0.36,0.12,0.09
Romania_Muntenia,21.89,24.46,17.54,11.50,18.85,2.2 4,0.73,0.57,1.04,0.57,0.36,0.15,0.09
Romania_Oltenia,23.55,25.06,17.95,10.70,17.79,1.82 ,0.69,0.80,0.68,0.40,0.37,0.10,0.10
Romania_Dobruja,21.84,24.74,17.91,10.69,19.40,2.16 ,0.59,0.92,1.04,0.33,0.27,0.04,0.06


Romania_Transylvania,24.28,25.90,17.42,10.21,16.97 ,1.83,0.67,0.53,1.06,0.59,0.37,0.07,0.10
Romania_Maramures,24.35,29.56,16.63,8.76,15.28,1.9 1,1.14,0.81,0.72,0.27,0.47,0.09,0.00
Romania_Crisana,25.28,27.00,17.90,9.30,15.96,1.27, 0.51,0.67,0.98,0.64,0.29,0.12,0.07
Romania_Banat,22.44,25.76,17.87,10.56,17.93,2.11,0 .85,0.54,1.16,0.44,0.19,0.07,0.10


Romania_average,23.31,26.03,17.34,10.46,17.38,1.95 ,0.70,0.65,1.09,0.52,0.36,0.12,0.09

done

[Lucas]

Lucas, could you update these:

Serb_Serbia,24.70,29.25,17.13,9.15,15.74,1.58,0.55 ,0.29,0.74,0.58,0.24,0.06,0.06
Serb_Serbia_South&East,23.74,27.87,17.17,9.48,17.65,1.91,0.54,0.13,0 .72,0.38,0.29,0.02,0.10
Serb_Serbia_West&Central,24.81,29.59,17.22,9.17,15.28,1.44,0.53,0.2 7,0.86,0.64,0.16,0.07,0.04
Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina,25.35,29.43,16.72,8.69,15.46 ,1.76,0.60,0.53,0.28,0.56,0.50,0.05,0.06
Serb_B&H,24.85,30.60,16.79,9.15,14.33,1.63,0.54,0.34,0.81 ,0.45,0.48,0.03,0.05
Serb_B&H_Krajina,24.09,30.43,17.43,9.97,14.29,1.32,0.46,0 .28,0.80,0.30,0.67,0.02,0.11
Serb_B&H_Bosnia_proper,25.87,31.26,16.23,8.33,13.67,1.71, 0.71,0.47,0.91,0.50,0.28,0.05,0.01
Serb_B&H_Herzegovina,23.78,28.62,16.48,9.14,17.22,2.61,0. 23,0.03,0.45,0.83,0.59,0.02,0.00
Serb_Croatia,25.64,29.20,16.90,9.34,15.25,1.52,0.6 3,0.28,0.50,0.34,0.31,0.06,0.02
Serb_Croatia_Lika,25.65,29.29,17.53,8.00,15.12,2.1 4,0.47,0.41,0.55,0.30,0.42,0.09,0.04
Serb_Croatia_Dalmatia,26.35,28.38,16.96,9.14,15.56 ,1.08,0.44,0.22,0.78,0.38,0.58,0.13,0.02
Serb_Croatia_Kordun&Banija,25.43,29.41,16.70,9.79,15.21,1.47,0.74,0.26 ,0.40,0.34,0.20,0.03,0.02
Montenegrin,24.59,25.60,18.00,10.24,17.34,2.29,0.2 1,0.24,0.71,0.43,0.25,0.02,0.07
Serb,24.82,29.33,17.08,9.20,15.53,1.60,0.54,0.29,0 .72,0.53,0.28,0.05,0.05

Bosniak_Sarajevo,24.88,32.47,15.40,8.91,13.89,1.77 ,0.79,0.51,0.57,0.47,0.26,0.02,0.06

Macedonian,20.91,22.72,20.13,11.24,20.93,2.36,0.10 ,0.64,0.67,0.08,0.16,0.00,0.07

Albanian,21.21,17.81,21.54,11.15,24.03,2.70,0.15,0 .41,0.22,0.15,0.25,0.08,0.05
Albanian_Albania,20.74,17.25,22.08,11.11,24.51,2.6 5,0.18,0.17,0.29,0.25,0.24,0.15,0.11
Albanian_central_Albania,19.14,17.09,22.60,12.45,2 4.06,2.79,0.27,0.24,0.37,0.14,0.48,0.27,0.11
Albanian_Kosovo,22.64,18.00,21.67,11.80,22.07,2.50 ,0.35,0.36,0.20,0.13,0.25,0.01,0.01
Albanian_Macedonia,21.35,18.96,20.95,9.86,24.26,3. 08,0.00,0.45,0.25,0.00,0.29,0.01,0.00
Albanian_Montenegro,21.07,18.18,20.39,11.91,24.31, 2.68,0.00,1.12,0.00,0.00,0.28,0.05,0.00
Albanian_north_Albania,21.93,17.97,22.46,10.28,23. 63,2.69,0.10,0.13,0.13,0.24,0.08,0.01,0.00
Albanian_south_Albania,21.15,16.69,21.18,10.61,25. 84,2.47,0.17,0.14,0.39,0.37,0.16,0.16,0.21

remove these:

Central_Greek,16.86,10.36,21.47,15.44,29.25,5.03,0 .29,0.24,0.14,0.32,0.56,0.03,0.01
GR_Macedonia,16.955,18.8833333333,19.22,14.8316666 667,24.9683333333,3.0516666667,0.3616666667,0.385, 0.6433333333,0,0.485,0.18,0.035
GR_Peloponese,18.50375,15.75625,19.3175,12.96125,2 6.99875,3.585,1.23375,0.375,0.34375,0.205,0.50875, 0.2075,0.00125
Greek_Dodecanese,11.6,4.81,21.36,16.98,35.05,7.015 ,1.49,0.58,0.36,0.33,0.07,0.27,0.13
Greek_Peloponnese,18.56,14.36,21.06,15.04,24.24,5. 05,0,0.57,0.29,0.28,0.17,0,0.32
Greek_Thessaloniki,19.32,20.53,20.5,11.27,25.05,2. 32,0,0,0.73,0.29,0,0,0
Greek_Thessaly,19.12,16.32,20.63,11.87,25.40,3.83, 1.35,0.09,0.20,0.70,0.32,0.13,0.03
Greek_Western-Macedonia,22.83,18.2,18.37,13.76,23.52,1.52,0,0.49 ,1.28,0,0,0,0
Kosovo_Albanian,22.4377777778,17.9844444444,20.775 5555556,12.7611111111,22.0188888889,2.4544444444,0 .3922222222,0.37,0.1777777778,0.2466666667,0.34,0. 0233333333,0.0166666667

and add these:

Greek_Northeast,20.18,16.56,20.31,13.42,24.38,3.47 ,0.20,0.26,0.34,0.53,0.20,0.04,0.10
Greek_Athens,17.98,12.99,21.25,14.22,27.77,3.93,0. 32,0.47,0.29,0.16,0.24,0.14,0.25
Greek_West_Macedonia,20.56,15.60,20.43,13.81,24.46 ,3.48,0.14,0.29,0.43,0.49,0.11,0.22,0
Greek_North_Aegean,14.57,8.12,21.16,16.95,32.41,5. 20,0.62,0.24,0.25,0.07,0.17,0.23,0.02
Greek_Crete,13.22,9.49,20.29,17.33,32.47,5.12,0.27 ,0.24,0.20,0.15,0.60,0.47,0.16
Greek_Cyclades,17.87,9.96,20.68,15.25,28.66,4.63,0 .10,0.57,0.50,0.54,0.53,0.16,0.08
Greek_Central,17.81,13.51,20.59,14.66,27.30,4.05,0 .60,0.29,0.33,0.42,0.40,0.03,0.01
Greek_Ionia,16.28,11.33,20.69,15.75,29.74,4.46,0.0 9,0.62,0.26,0.20,0.36,0.18,0.05
Greek_Dodecanese,12.59,6.27,20.44,18.63,33.75,6.15 ,0.72,0.46,0.28,0.21,0.24,0.17,0.09
Greek_Thessaly,20.88,16.97,20.47,11.67,24.62,3.45, 0.50,0.40,0.37,0.495,0.30,0.04,0.09
Greek_Peloponnese,18.68,15.50,20.35,13.16,26.48,3. 48,0.73,0.30,0.30,0.36,0.49,0.16,0.02
Greek_West,19.36,16.49,21.06,12.79,26.50,2.08,0.03 ,0.40,0.26,0.37,0.25,0.07,0.03
Greek_Central_Macedonia,18.99,17.79,21.11,12.46,24 .88,2.53,0.36,0.37,0.21,0.55,0.18,0.23,0.19

done

[Lucas]

Central Croatia average somehow vanished! :(

Please add it back!


Croat_Croatia_Central,30.20,33.91,14.98,7.32,9.69, 1.11,0.84,0.23,0.35,0.44,0.66,0.05,0.28

done

[Lucas]

New averages for Iranian(N=26) and Azeri Jews(N=24). The old ones were really inaccurate.


Iranian_Jew,18.9,0.26,2.14,0.18,9.93,1.35,1.48,0.3 1,21.11,0.15,44.21,0
Azeri_Jew,18.75,0.27,1.41,0.16,10.13,2.3,0.91,0.3, 18.88,0.16,46.72,0

done

[J. Ketch]

Thanks Lucas but there's an error in some of the data you've input for K13: variable column number. Iranian and Azeri Jew only have 12 numbers.

[vbnetkhio]

these have extra components in the current sheet, these are the correct versions:
(i also renamed Bosniak_Bosnia_NE&Central to Bosniak_Bosnia_proper)


Gagauz,19.35,23.14,17.99,12.57,21.48,2.9,0.52,0.25 ,0.69,0.4,0.64,0.06,0
Croat_Croatia_Central,30.2,33.91,14.98,7.32,9.69,1 .11,0.84,0.23,0.35,0.44,0.66,0.05,0.28
Bosniak_Bosia_proper,25.35,35.40,14.04,9.45,11.84, 1.26,0.53,0.47,0.60,0.47,0.33,0.09,0.17

[Lucas]

these have extra components in the current sheet, these are the correct versions:
(i also renamed Bosniak_Bosnia_NE&Central to Bosniak_Bosnia_proper)


Gagauz,19.35,23.14,17.99,12.57,21.48,2.9,0.52,0.25 ,0.69,0.4,0.64,0.06,0
Croat_Croatia_Central,30.2,33.91,14.98,7.32,9.69,1 .11,0.84,0.23,0.35,0.44,0.66,0.05,0.28
Bosniak_Bosia_proper,25.35,35.40,14.04,9.45,11.84, 1.26,0.53,0.47,0.60,0.47,0.33,0.09,0.17

done

[vbnetkhio]

done

there is still an error. i think Azeri_Jew ans Iranian_Jew are dodecad k12b values, not k13.

[Leto]

there is still an error. i think Azeri_Jew ans Iranian_Jew are dodecad k12b values, not k13.
Yes.
Lukasz, delete Azerbaijani Jew and Uzbekistan Jew from Dod K12b.

[Mingle]

Updated average for K13.

n=17


Bosniak_Sandzak,24.09,24.59,19.05,10.39,18.12,1.78 ,0.19,0.38,0.49,0.55,0.29,0.01,0.06

[Lucas]

there is still an error. i think Azeri_Jew ans Iranian_Jew are dodecad k12b values, not k13.

Fixed.

And please everybody when you post references, add also for which calculator...

[Lucas]

Updated average for K13.

n=17


Bosniak_Sandzak,24.09,24.59,19.05,10.39,18.12,1.78 ,0.19,0.38,0.49,0.55,0.29,0.01,0.06

done

[Aren]

Fixed.

And please everybody when you post references, add also for which calculator...

My bad forgot.

[Leto]

done
A new Cypriot for Dodecad K12b, please delete the old one


Greek_Cypriot,8.86,0.14,3.25,0.13,20.88,3.81,0.33, 0.37,18.23,0.26,43.72,0

[Leto]

For Dod K12b



PAK_Kohistani,39.42,2.24,0.04,0.71,0.47,11.17,28.6 9,0.05,1.42,2.45,13.22,0.13


And replace the old Nogai with this


Nogai,13.01,10.65,0.24,0.69,4.63,21.94,0.61,0,0.75 ,11.90,35.58,0

[Leto]

Mountain Jewish averages, credit to waam who is half MJ himself

Eurogenes K13:
Mountain_Jew,2.25,1.09,10.69,33.83,38.08,8.06,4.87 ,0.17,0,0.61,0.18,0.18,0

Dodecad K12b:
Mountain_Jew,18.87,0.20,1.92,0.39,9.89,2.29,1.11,0 .05,18.18,0.03,47.04,0.03

[Dunai]

I noticed there is a lack of some national averages on K13, so I thought of creating an aggregate, based on the regions within that country. I didn't take islands into consideration (made a separate average for them), since they tend to be more unique compared to continental population. I'm not saying they are perfect, but why shouldn't these people also have one national average? They can be perfected later on.

French,42.85,16.74,22.72,4.28,9.36,1.58,0.63,0.27, 0.34,0.47,0.31,0.25,0.21
Dutch,47.87,24.35,13.26,5.8,5.06,0.93,1.11,0.11,0. 61,0.23,0.12,0.1,0.09
German,42.55,27.33,13.23,6.71,6.4,0.91,1.29,0.06,0 .24,0.47,0.32,0.32,0.18
Spanish,40.45,10.02,27.74,2.32,12.96,2.9,0.58,0.31 ,0.27,0.35,0.26,1.13,0.69
Italian,26.51,11.18,22.71,10.53,23.91,3.64,0.25,0. 23,0.1,0.24,0.32,0.24,0.11
Greek_Islander,14.86,7.68,20.44,17.35,32.05,5.32,0 .41,0.45,0.41,0.25,0.25,0.36,0.1
Greek,19.35,16.29,20.51,13.35,25.39,3.12,0.24,0.35 ,0.44,0.34,0.35,0.17,0.05
Sicilian,18.8,8.31,21.98,12.34,29.29,5.67,0.66,0.3 2,0.12,0.09,0.5,1.18,0.76
Russian,26.33,48.01,8.17,6.05,3.86,0.76,1.62,0.21, 3.22,0.98,0.35,0.26,0.17

[Halgurd]

Why have Kurdish Jews been removed from Vahaduo?

[Ion Basescul]

these have extra components in the current sheet, these are the correct versions:
(i also renamed Bosniak_Bosnia_NE&Central to Bosniak_Bosnia_proper)


Gagauz,19.35,23.14,17.99,12.57,21.48,2.9,0.52,0.25 ,0.69,0.4,0.64,0.06,0



done



Are these just the 10 academic samples?

If so then this one is more accurate, as it's made of those 10 + 2 that I collected personally.


Moldova_South_Gagauzia,19.56,22.60,18.18,13.67,20. 38,2.04,0.78,0.56,1.06,0.26,0.40,0.36,0.15


Please call it Moldova_South_Gagauzia instead of Gagauz

[vbnetkhio]

Are these just the 10 academic samples?

If so then this one is more accurate, as it's made of those 10 + 2 that I collected personally.


Moldova_South_Gagauzia,19.56,22.60,18.18,13.67,20. 38,2.04,0.78,0.56,1.06,0.26,0.40,0.36,0.15


Please call it Moldova_South_Gagauzia instead of Gagauz

it was made by Leto, from the 12 samples from Yunusbayev 2015.
and the 10 Gagauz sample set is from a different study.

i think these 2 averages should be averaged, since they both contain 12 samples.


Moldova_South_Gagauzia,19.46,22.87,18.09,13.12,20. 93,2.47,0.65,0.41,0.88,0.33,0.52,0.21,0.08

btw , why not Gagauz_Moldova_Gagauzia or something like that?
it's an ethnicity, not just a region.

[Ion Basescul]

it was made by Leto, from the 12 samples from Yunusbaev 2015.
and the 10 Gagauz sample set is from a different study.

i think these 2 averages should be averaged, since they both contain 12 samples.


Moldova_South_Gagauzia,19.46,22.87,18.09,13.12,20. 93,2.47,0.65,0.41,0.88,0.33,0.52,0.21,0.08

btw , why not Gagauz_Moldova_Gagauzia or something like that?
it's an ethnicity, not just a region.

Or just use this average of the two of them.
I use the standard Country_Region for the titular nation. If the person is from an ethnic minority background then I also add another underscore to specify the ethniciy. It should be Moldova_South_Gagauz. Well spotted.

[Ion Basescul]

done

You removed Romania_Moldavia_North by accident. Please add it back.

Eurogenes K13


Romania_Moldavia_North,24.60,30.68,15.10,9.25,14.6 0,1.71,0.73,0.67,1.30,0.61,0.47,0.15,0.11

[J. Ketch]

An updated Welsh K15 average, now based on 26 kits


Welsh,37.40,28.53,9.59,9.35,9.03,4.18,0.13,0.16,0. 65,0.02,0.14,0.36,0.21,0.13,0.05

As Leto requested, English_mixed (54 kits) and Irish (15 kits) averages for Dodecad K12B, as the currently British Isles averages are so bad.



English_mixed,8.87,0.26,0.33,0.02,38.66,43.42,0.23 ,0.07,0.92,0.03,7.09,0.05
Irish,10.69,0.18,0.04,0.09,39.18,44.51,0.09,0.02,0 .10,0.05,4.97,0.02

And there's an error in K15 updated, Iranian Jewish only has 13 numbers.

Thanks.

[Leto]

As Leto requested, English_mixed (54 kits) and Irish (15 kits) averages for Dodecad K12B, as the currently British Isles averages are so bad.



English_mixed,8.87,0.26,0.33,0.02,38.66,43.42,0.23 ,0.07,0.92,0.03,7.09,0.05
Irish,10.69,0.18,0.04,0.09,39.18,44.51,0.09,0.02,0 .10,0.05,4.97,0.02
Thanks.
Thank you very much. Dod K12b currently needs the British Isles, Spain and Scandinavia. Hopefully some members will contribute (Aren is the best source of Scando data on this site)

Luke, delete the following please:

Argyll
British
British_Isles
Cornwall
English
English_Kent
Irish
Orkney
Orcadian
CEU30

@Creoda, any chance to get Scottish as well? Welsh can be done without, I think, as it's the smallest British country (excl. Northern Ireland).

[J. Ketch]

Thank you very much. Dod K12b currently needs the British Isles, Spain and Scandinavia. Hopefully some members will contribute (Aren is the best source of Scando data on this site)

Luke, delete the following please:

Argyll
British
British_Isles
Cornwall
English
English_Kent
Irish
Orkney
Orcadian
CEU30

@Creoda, any chance to get Scottish as well? Welsh can be done without, I think, as it's the smallest British country (excl. Northern Ireland).
Yeah, I only have about 10 Scottish kits altogether though, haven't focused on it.

[J. Ketch]

My new dodecad averages (+family) in amongst the old averages

https://i.postimg.cc/633YVLNF/dodecadk12bnew.png

I don't know which clown made these old averages, but they're kind of impossible.

[Leto]

Is the Dutch one okay? Mixed_NW_Euro is not bad, some kind of White American. French/French2 was added by someone.
Iberia is the same story as Britain by the way.

[J. Ketch]

Is the Dutch one okay? Mixed_NW_Euro is not bad, some kind of White American. French/French2 was added by someone.
Iberia is the same story as Britain by the way.
I don't know, most of them seem a bit dodgy. German looks like East German. Don't see much point in a mixed NW Euro average.

[Graham]

Dodedcad had the calculator effect issues, where the original averages will be very different to what you made. Was very messy.

Why I don't bother with it.

[Aren]

My new dodecad averages (+family) in amongst the old averages

https://i.postimg.cc/633YVLNF/dodecadk12bnew.png

I don't know which clown made these old averages, but they're kind of impossible.

Well I can tell you the Scandinavian averages are terrible too. I just ran through some Swedes with this calculator and most scored 50-52% North Euro and 34-35% Atlantic Med. Nowhere near the spreadsheet average.

[Chris596]

I can't go wrong with any calculator because my ancestry is so consistent (I'm basically a Serbian genetically). This is what I like the most about my ancestry, it's so ,,simple'' and mostly pure.

Many DNA tests give me chaotic results, but one thing is sure: I'm mostly a BALKANER.

Eurogenes K13
Target: Chris
Distance: 1.7868% / 1.78683524 | ADC: 0.25x
34.0 Serb_Croatia_Kordun&Banija
24.4 Bosniak_Bosnia_proper
17.6 Serb_Croatia_Dalmatia
12.2 Moldova_average
7.0 Turk_Razgrad
3.0 Bulgarian_Burgas
1.0 Macedonian_Greece
0.8 She

Dodecad K12b Updated
Target: Chris
Distance: 2.5974% / 2.59737609 | ADC: 0.25x
96.2 Serb
2.2 Georgian_Mingrelian
0.6 Japanese
0.6 Nogais
0.4 JPT30

HarappaWorld
Target: Chris
Distance: 0.9760% / 0.97604719 | ADC: 0.25x
90.2 Serbian
7.6 Italian
0.8 Daur
0.4 Mongolian
0.4 Tibetan
0.2 Basque
0.2 Dominican
0.2 Spaniard2

[Leto]

I can't go wrong with any calculator because my ancestry is so consistent (I'm basically a Serbian genetically). This is what I like the most about my ancestry, it's so ,,simple'' and mostly pure.

Many DNA tests give me chaotic results, but one thing is sure: I'm mostly a BALKANER.

Just like John Kennedy famously said back in the 1960s while visiting West Germany - ich bin ein Berliner. Chris can say "ich bin ein Balkaner" :swl

[Leto]

Well I can tell you the Scandinavian averages are terrible too. I just ran through some Swedes with this calculator and most scored 50-52% North Euro and 34-35% Atlantic Med. Nowhere near the spreadsheet average.
I am especially interested in seeing a Danish average once you get around to doing Scandinavia for that calculator

[Aren]

I am especially interested in seeing a Danish average once you get around to doing Scandinavia for that calculator

I probably will but I gotta tell you I'm not a fan of this calculator either for Northern Europeans that is. There are only two relevant components, one based on Basques(Atlantic-Med) and one on Lithuanians(North European), which is pretty meh to me.

[Aren]

I am especially interested in seeing a Danish average once you get around to doing Scandinavia for that calculator

I probably will but I gotta tell you I'm not a fan of this calculator either for Northern Europeans that is. There are only two relevant components, one based on Basques(Atlantic-Med) and one on Lithuanians(North European), which is pretty meh to me.

[Leto]

I probably will but I gotta tell you I'm not a fan of this calculator either for Northern Europeans that is. There are only two relevant components, one based on Basques(Atlantic-Med) and one on Lithuanians(North European), which is pretty meh to me.
Well, inaccurate references may skew the oracle for others too. I'm planning to have a few references deleted because they are so atrocious. Basque for example. 70% Atlantic Med can't be real. Or Japanese being 100% East Asian.

[J. Ketch]

Western Euro TA members with the old DodecadK12b references

https://i.postimg.cc/76WKCbb3/dodecadk12b2.png

May as well get rid of all the old Iberian averages too, and use averages of Spanish/Portuguese members to replace them.

[Leto]

Western Euro TA members with the old DodecadK12b references

https://i.postimg.cc/76WKCbb3/dodecadk12b2.png

May as well get rid of all the old Iberian averages too, and use averages of Spanish/Portuguese members to replace them.
Spain is too big a country with certain regional differences but for Portugal I'm going to use all the Portuguese members' results (banned or active). The country is not very large and fairly homogenous.

[Leto]

New Sardinian average for Dodecad K12b (5 samples from dududud and 1 from FilhoV)


Sardinian,0,0,4.61,0,56.43,7.79,0,0,8.75,0.04,22.3 4,0

[Leto]

Oh since you're back I'm going to send you a message, a few more things need to be deleted/added :)

[Lucas]

All last updates are done.

[Ion Basescul]

All last updates are done.

Please delete all the Bulgarian Eurogenes K13 averages and replace with these.



Bulgaria_Northeastern,22.15,22.37,17.46,13.43,19.4 4,2.56,0.46,0.32,0.49,0.24,0.29,0.11,0.10
Bulgaria_Northcentral,21.30,24.45,17.41,11.88,19.8 6,2.33,0.65,0.28,0.99,0.37,0.28,0.07,0.14
Bulgaria_Northwestern,22.04,26.19,17.58,10.15,19.0 5,2.31,0.40,0.52,0.70,0.51,0.38,0.07,0.09
Bulgaria_Southeastern,20.13,21.81,18.44,13.87,20.4 4,2.92,0.43,0.30,0.48,0.44,0.47,0.11,0.07
Bulgaria_Southcentral,21.22,23.73,18.05,11.66,20.3 2,2.41,0.57,0.37,0.85,0.21,0.29,0.24,0.04
Bulgaria_Southwestern,22.85,24.04,17.87,11.48,18.6 8,2.26,0.58,0.51,0.85,0.44,0.33,0.06,0.06
Bulgaria_average,21.80,24.15,17.82,11.65,19.51,2.4 0,0.53,0.42,0.77,0.38,0.33,0.11,0.08


Official thread is here: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?333385-Bulgarian-GEDmatch-Results

[Leto]

North African averages for Dodecad are also horrible (comparing to actual NAs like Nassbean, Adamm and a few others) but I can't possibly update them. Maybe someone could at least provide the old Eurogenes data which seems to be much better.

[Leto]

Updated German average for Dodecad (taken from here (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?321363-Academic-German-samples-GEDmatch-results))


German,7.00,0.40,0.44,0.15,32.35,48.46,0.33,0.13,1 .53,0,9.04,0.16

[Lucas]

Please delete all the Bulgarian Eurogenes K13 averages and replace with these.



Bulgaria_Northeastern,22.15,22.37,17.46,13.43,19.4 4,2.56,0.46,0.32,0.49,0.24,0.29,0.11,0.10
Bulgaria_Northcentral,21.30,24.45,17.41,11.88,19.8 6,2.33,0.65,0.28,0.99,0.37,0.28,0.07,0.14
Bulgaria_Northwestern,22.04,26.19,17.58,10.15,19.0 5,2.31,0.40,0.52,0.70,0.51,0.38,0.07,0.09
Bulgaria_Southeastern,20.13,21.81,18.44,13.87,20.4 4,2.92,0.43,0.30,0.48,0.44,0.47,0.11,0.07
Bulgaria_Southcentral,21.22,23.73,18.05,11.66,20.3 2,2.41,0.57,0.37,0.85,0.21,0.29,0.24,0.04
Bulgaria_Southwestern,22.85,24.04,17.87,11.48,18.6 8,2.26,0.58,0.51,0.85,0.44,0.33,0.06,0.06
Bulgaria_average,21.80,24.15,17.82,11.65,19.51,2.4 0,0.53,0.42,0.77,0.38,0.33,0.11,0.08


Official thread is here: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?333385-Bulgarian-GEDmatch-Results

done

@Leto
too

[Lucas]

Well, inaccurate references may skew the oracle for others too. I'm planning to have a few references deleted because they are so atrocious. Basque for example. 70% Atlantic Med can't be real. Or Japanese being 100% East Asian.

It is like adding to K36 for example K36 French reference which was obviously 100% French. It is nonsene. Why Dienekes didn't recognize he was wrong here and added for every region such ref:)

[Leto]

done

@Leto
too
I don't see the Spanish, Chuvash, Icelandic ones from my last message.

[Leto]

I think Baloch and Makrani should be deleted too. 60+ percent Gedrosia is not possible for a real person to score.
@Kyp, what do you think?

[Kyp]

I think Baloch and Makrani should be deleted too. 60+ percent Gedrosia is not possible for a real person to score.
@Kyp, what do you think?

are there some Baloch kits around?

[Leto]

are there some Baloch kits around?
I don't have any. Have seen only some academic ones so far. Maybe you can find others through Iranian channels ;)
For now, that should be deleted IMO.

[Lucas]

I don't see the Spanish, Chuvash, Icelandic ones from my last message.

All your Dodecad updates done.

[Thracian]

Can you also add JohnnyP's Macedonian samples for Eurogenes K13 and remove older ones?

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?319731-Macedonian-Gedmatch-kits-28/page30

MacedonianGreeceNorthWest,23.07,20.97,20.1,9.97,22 .17,2.2 4,0.15,0.22,0.3,0.44,0.25,0.02,0.09
MacedonianSouthEast,22.37,20.26,20.59,10.92,21.04, 3.11,0.00,0.33,0.48,0.37,0.44,0.1,0.05
MacedonianPelagonia,21.81,20.73,20.08,11.49,20.85, 3.31,0.2,0.35,0.47,0.14,0.47,0.31,0.08
MacedonianWest,22.19,20.84,19.84,10.58,21.61,2.23, 1.12,0.87,0.04,0.00,0.66,0.00,0.00
MacedonianSouthWest,20.8,20.55,20.28,11.37,21.29,3 .3,0.55,0.77,0.3,0.33,0.41,0.03,0.00
MacedonianEast,22.82,21.64,19.6,11.18,21.02,2.13,0 .09,0.46,0.61,0.05,0.25,0.00,0.16
MacedonianNorth,22.45,22.91,19.21,10.67,19.84,2.68 ,0.3,0.19,0.68,0.47,0.4,0.06,0.12
MacedonianCentral,22.06,21.78,19.54,11.45,21.5,1.4 2,0.1,0.39,0.92,0.33,0.4,0.08,0.03
MacedonianNorthWest,23.78,22.58,19.06,10.84,21.76, 2.16,0.25,0.19,0.44,0.29,0.57,0.00,0.08
MacedonianNorthEast,21.02,22.9,19.65,10.79,22.57,1 .97,0.00,0.57,0.00,0.28,0.24,0.00,0.00
MACEDONIAN_AVERAGE,22.14,21.76,19.68,10.90,21.19,2 .43,0.22,0.39,0.48,0.28,0.40,0.05,0.07

[Leto]

All your Dodecad updates done.
Kurwa thank you so fucking much! :cool:

No new additions for now but please delete Balochi, Makrani, Brahui and Avar_Dagestan. Also, waam didn't specify Mountain Jewish as being from Chechnya. I think most MJs lived in Azerbaijan and Dagestan.

[Leto]

Can you also add JohnnyP's Macedonian samples for Eurogenes K13 and remove older ones?

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?319731-Macedonian-Gedmatch-kits-28/page30

MacedonianGreeceNorthWest,23.07,20.97,20.1,9.97,22 .17,2.2 4,0.15,0.22,0.3,0.44,0.25,0.02,0.09
MacedonianSouthEast,22.37,20.26,20.59,10.92,21.04, 3.11,0.00,0.33,0.48,0.37,0.44,0.1,0.05
MacedonianPelagonia,21.81,20.73,20.08,11.49,20.85, 3.31,0.2,0.35,0.47,0.14,0.47,0.31,0.08
MacedonianWest,22.19,20.84,19.84,10.58,21.61,2.23, 1.12,0.87,0.04,0.00,0.66,0.00,0.00
MacedonianSouthWest,20.8,20.55,20.28,11.37,21.29,3 .3,0.55,0.77,0.3,0.33,0.41,0.03,0.00
MacedonianEast,22.82,21.64,19.6,11.18,21.02,2.13,0 .09,0.46,0.61,0.05,0.25,0.00,0.16
MacedonianNorth,22.45,22.91,19.21,10.67,19.84,2.68 ,0.3,0.19,0.68,0.47,0.4,0.06,0.12
MacedonianCentral,22.06,21.78,19.54,11.45,21.5,1.4 2,0.1,0.39,0.92,0.33,0.4,0.08,0.03
MacedonianNorthWest,23.78,22.58,19.06,10.84,21.76, 2.16,0.25,0.19,0.44,0.29,0.57,0.00,0.08
MacedonianNorthEast,21.02,22.9,19.65,10.79,22.57,1 .97,0.00,0.57,0.00,0.28,0.24,0.00,0.00
MACEDONIAN_AVERAGE,22.14,21.76,19.68,10.90,21.19,2 .43,0.22,0.39,0.48,0.28,0.40,0.05,0.07
Excuse me but does such a small country and nation need so many averages? I mean it's one of the smallest countries in Europe (after the tiniest places like Luxembourg, etc.) and has only a little over 1 million ethnic Macedonians.

[Thracian]

Excuse me but does such a small country and nation need so many averages? I mean it's one of the smallest countries in Europe (after the tiniest places like Luxembourg, etc.) and has only a little over 1 million ethnic Macedonians.

I really don't know. But these coordinates make more sense than older ones on Vahaduo. To me, all the regions look homogeneous. Using only average could work either.