Dodecad k12b West & Central Asian results Vol 4.

[Altaylı]

Highly unusual result from North-West Azerbaijan. The person is of Ayrum ancestry.
This man's closest match is Azerbaijanis of Turkey, but even they are rather distant at 5.4.

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Very interesting result.

[Kyp]

Highly unusual result from North-West Azerbaijan. The person is of Ayrum ancestry.
This man's closest match is Azerbaijanis of Turkey, but even they are rather distant at 5.4.


Low SNP kit. But I think with higher SNP it still would be rather atypical.

[Sterling Archer]

Low SNP kit. But I think with higher SNP it still would be rather atypical.

Can't figure out why such a low Gedrosia together with high(for Azerbaijanis) Caucasus. Any idea?

[Kyp]

Can't figure out why such a low Gedrosia together with high(for Azerbaijanis) Caucasus. Any idea?


It looks like the person is a straight mix of Turkmen+ native northeast anatolian to me. I don't know much about the settlement history of Yerevan Azeris though.

Could also have some ancestry which he isn't aware of.

[Peterski]

Azeris from Absheron Peninsula:


Absheron01,24.55,0.43,0.00,1.30,8.88,10.95,4.02,0. 68,9.45,0.00,39.73,0.01
Absheron02,24.27,0.00,0.30,0.00,2.69,13.02,4.29,1. 99,14.86,0.00,38.23,0.35
Absheron03,25.70,0.82,0.00,0.00,7.50,9.17,4.95,1.1 1,12.06,0.12,38.08,0.48

[Sterling Archer]

Azeris from Absheron Peninsula:


Absheron01,24.55,0.43,0.00,1.30,8.88,10.95,4.02,0. 68,9.45,0.00,39.73,0.01
Absheron02,24.27,0.00,0.30,0.00,2.69,13.02,4.29,1. 99,14.86,0.00,38.23,0.35
Absheron03,25.70,0.82,0.00,0.00,7.50,9.17,4.95,1.1 1,12.06,0.12,38.08,0.48

Is there any information about these people's background?
Only the first one seems to be Azerbaijani, even his results are strange.

Distance to: Absheron01
5.44830249 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
6.21235865 Talysh_Azerbaijan
6.30157917 Azerbaijani_Iran
6.45258863 Kurd_Kurmanji
6.64939847 Zaza
6.77451843 Kurd_Adygea
6.81865089 Azerbaijani
7.00015714 Azerbaijani_Turkey
7.02066236 Yazidi
8.14816544 Iranian
8.43450058 Kurd_Sorani
8.69783881 Udi_Azerbaijan
9.68836932 Lur_Iran
9.79608085 Iranian_Fars

Absheron03 is almost certainly Kurd.
Absheron02's results are strange. Very low to no east Asia. Although high North Euro is similar to Azerbaijanis than Kurds, but due to absence of EA we get very distant results:

Distance to: Absheron02
8.41966745 Kurd_Sorani
8.82977916 Talysh_Azerbaijan
8.92191123 Kurd_Adygea
9.03586188 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
9.10379591 Kurd_Kurmanji
9.19872817 Iranian_Fars
9.34484350 Yazidi
9.40912855 Azerbaijani_Iran
9.76616097 Zaza
9.87385436 Iraq_Turkmen
9.89376571 Iranian
9.99694953 Azerbaijani
10.56926204 Lur_Iran


Distance to: Absheron03
4.46024663 Yazidi
4.78679433 Kurd_Kurmanji
4.91692994 Kurd_Adygea
5.16392293 Talysh_Azerbaijan
5.45497021 Kurd_Sorani
5.79039722 Iranian
5.90320252 Azerbaijani_Iran
5.93121404 Iranian_Fars
6.03640622 Zaza
6.50690403 Lur_Iran
6.93416902 Azerbaijani

[Sterling Archer]

As a follow up:
Target: Absheron02
Distance: 1.9326% / 1.93263206
27.5 Kubachi_Dagestan
22.5 Iran_Mazandaran
18.4 Kuwait2
15.5 Georgian_Svan
11.3 Nuristani
3.8 Georgian_Gurian
0.9 Sandawe_He
0.1 Somali

Distance to: Absheron02
4.85300618 49.20% Iran_Arab + 50.80% Lezgin
4.89735378 56.40% Iran_Arab + 43.60% Kubachi_Dagestan
5.11009531 54.40% Iran_Arab + 45.60% Lak
5.25571642 72.60% Kurd_Sorani + 27.40% Tabasaran
5.31275103 25.80% Kaitag_Dagestan + 74.20% Kurd_Sorani
5.33109740 44.40% Avar + 55.60% Iran_Arab
5.39504428 26.60% Avar + 73.40% Kurd_Sorani
5.47317863 72.60% Kurd_Sorani + 27.40% Lak
5.50657682 55.00% Iran_Arab + 45.00% Tabasaran
5.54643807 25.60% Kubachi_Dagestan + 74.40% Kurd_Sorani
5.54873545 68.40% Kurd_Sorani + 31.60% Lezgin
5.65459706 41.40% Dargin + 58.60% Iran_Arab
5.65760731 23.80% Dargin + 76.20% Kurd_Sorani
5.72933270 56.80% Iran_Arab + 43.20% Kaitag_Dagestan
5.73699069 43.80% Iraqi_Arab + 56.20% Lezgin


Seems to be a mix between Dagestani (probably not Dagestani Azeri) and Iranian.

[RatCat]

His surname is Dağıstanlı which means Dagestanian. But he is distant to everyone, very low Gedrosia and high Caucasus.


Population
Gedrosia 14.25 Pct
Siberian 2.74 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 2.06 Pct
Atlantic_Med 5.7 Pct
North_European 15.93 Pct
South_Asian 0.96 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 4.7 Pct
East_Asian 1.62 Pct
Caucasus 52.02 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: dagistanli
6.34591207 Ossetian_South
6.51265691 Ossetian
7.14527816 Adyghe
7.72047926 Abkhazian
8.58054777 Circassian
8.72985109 Karachay
9.43144210 Abazin
9.67221795 Georgian
9.71771578 Balkar
10.51455658 Georgian_Gurian
10.82475866 Georgian_Svan
11.18987042 Turk_Ahiska
11.46853522 Kabardin
11.49927824 Ingush
12.51228996 Georgian_Mingrelian
12.81688340 Georgian_Imereti
13.54002216 Chechen
13.86327883 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
13.95471247 Kumyk
14.12244313 Turk_East_Black_Sea
14.43588238 Turk_East
14.65760212 Laz
14.72997624 Georgian_Turkey
14.81268375 Udi_Azerbaijan
14.97907207 Hemshin

Target: dagistanli
Distance: 2.8070% / 2.80697772 | ADC: 0.25x RC
71.1 Georgian_Gurian
16.9 Nogai
10.4 Pomak_Greece
1.6 Cambodians


Target: dagistanli
Distance: 4.4735% / 4.47347632 | ADC: 0.5x RC
46.0 Ossetian
44.4 Abkhazian
9.6 Greek_Icaria




His match

Population
Gedrosia 14.69 Pct
Siberian 2.87 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 4.55 Pct
North_European 15.65 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 5.14 Pct
East_Asian 3.28 Pct
Caucasus 53.83 Pct
Sub_Saharan -


Distance to: hikmet
6.34380800 Ossetian_South
6.69307851 Abkhazian
7.54034482 Ossetian
8.42697455 Adyghe
9.06994487 Georgian
9.22352427 Georgian_Gurian
9.28184788 Georgian_Svan
9.84052336 Circassian
10.05399423 Karachay
10.97140374 Balkar
10.99757701 Georgian_Mingrelian
11.02689893 Turk_Ahiska
11.06049728 Abazin
11.60827291 Georgian_Imereti
12.67970426 Ingush
13.26154591 Kabardin
13.73385234 Georgian_Turkey
14.00695185 Turk_East_Black_Sea
14.13924326 Laz
14.55223351 Hemshin
14.68902311 Georgian_Adjara
14.80306387 Chechen
14.95532012 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
15.37495366 Turk_East
15.38100452 Kumyk


Target: hikmet
Distance: 2.4918% / 2.49183447
85.5 Georgian_Mingrelian
10.0 Latvian
2.4 Nivh
2.1 Negidal


Target: hikmet
Distance: 3.0515% / 3.05153975 | ADC: 0.25x RC
75.8 Georgian_Gurian
21.0 Nogai
3.2 Lithuanian

[Sterling Archer]

His surname is Dağıstanlı which means Dagestanian. But he is distant to everyone, very low Gedrosia and high Caucasus.


Population
Gedrosia 14.25 Pct
Siberian 2.74 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 2.06 Pct
Atlantic_Med 5.7 Pct
North_European 15.93 Pct
South_Asian 0.96 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 4.7 Pct
East_Asian 1.62 Pct
Caucasus 52.02 Pct
Sub_Saharan -


Maybe tatar grandparent(1/4) + Georgian/Abkaz(3/4)? Maybe even (eastern) Russian grandparent.
In any case, his Caucasus is too high for Dagestan. People rarely score Caucasus higher that 40 over there.

Distance to: Dagestani
3.21674092 81.60% Georgian_Mingrelian + 18.40% Tatar_Mishar
3.32920790 81.00% Georgian_Mingrelian + 19.00% Tatar_Kazan
3.50927020 18.80% Bashkir_North + 81.20% Georgian_Mingrelian
3.51211753 17.40% Chuvash + 82.60% Georgian_Mingrelian
3.55212646 83.80% Georgian_Gurian + 16.20% Tatar_Kazan
3.55321202 16.00% Bashkir_North + 84.00% Georgian_Gurian
3.59158665 83.80% Georgian_Mingrelian + 16.20% Russian_Ural
3.59352048 85.20% Georgian_Mingrelian + 14.80% Veps
3.60744000 14.80% Chuvash + 85.20% Georgian_Gurian
3.61458553 84.60% Georgian_Mingrelian + 15.40% Russian_Arkhangelsk
3.61571076 83.60% Georgian_Mingrelian + 16.40% Komi
3.63314693 84.40% Georgian_Gurian + 15.60% Tatar_Mishar
3.73709915 83.40% Georgian_Mingrelian + 16.60% Mordovian
3.75610385 84.20% Georgian_Mingrelian + 15.80% Russian_Kostroma
3.76987850 14.00% Finnish_East + 86.00% Georgian_Mingrelian
3.77248967 85.60% Georgian_Mingrelian + 14.40% Karelian
3.77371814 84.80% Georgian_Mingrelian + 15.20% North_Russian
3.82908598 81.60% Georgian_Gurian + 18.40% Lipka_Tatar
3.83318057 86.00% Georgian_Gurian + 14.00% Mari

[RatCat]

Maybe tatar grandparent(1/4) + Georgian/Abkaz(3/4)? Maybe even (eastern) Russian grandparent.
In any case, his Caucasus is too high for Dagestan. People rarely score Caucasus higher that 40 over there.

Distance to: Dagestani
3.21674092 81.60% Georgian_Mingrelian + 18.40% Tatar_Mishar
3.32920790 81.00% Georgian_Mingrelian + 19.00% Tatar_Kazan
3.50927020 18.80% Bashkir_North + 81.20% Georgian_Mingrelian
3.51211753 17.40% Chuvash + 82.60% Georgian_Mingrelian
3.55212646 83.80% Georgian_Gurian + 16.20% Tatar_Kazan
3.55321202 16.00% Bashkir_North + 84.00% Georgian_Gurian
3.59158665 83.80% Georgian_Mingrelian + 16.20% Russian_Ural
3.59352048 85.20% Georgian_Mingrelian + 14.80% Veps
3.60744000 14.80% Chuvash + 85.20% Georgian_Gurian
3.61458553 84.60% Georgian_Mingrelian + 15.40% Russian_Arkhangelsk
3.61571076 83.60% Georgian_Mingrelian + 16.40% Komi
3.63314693 84.40% Georgian_Gurian + 15.60% Tatar_Mishar
3.73709915 83.40% Georgian_Mingrelian + 16.60% Mordovian
3.75610385 84.20% Georgian_Mingrelian + 15.80% Russian_Kostroma
3.76987850 14.00% Finnish_East + 86.00% Georgian_Mingrelian
3.77248967 85.60% Georgian_Mingrelian + 14.40% Karelian
3.77371814 84.80% Georgian_Mingrelian + 15.20% North_Russian
3.82908598 81.60% Georgian_Gurian + 18.40% Lipka_Tatar
3.83318057 86.00% Georgian_Gurian + 14.00% Mari

Yes probably he got that surname from his 1 grandfather from Dagestan, probably nogay, tatar etc.

[Kyp]

As a follow up:
Target: Absheron02
Distance: 1.9326% / 1.93263206
27.5 Kubachi_Dagestan
22.5 Iran_Mazandaran
18.4 Kuwait2
15.5 Georgian_Svan
11.3 Nuristani
3.8 Georgian_Gurian
0.9 Sandawe_He
0.1 Somali

Distance to: Absheron02
4.85300618 49.20% Iran_Arab + 50.80% Lezgin
4.89735378 56.40% Iran_Arab + 43.60% Kubachi_Dagestan
5.11009531 54.40% Iran_Arab + 45.60% Lak
5.25571642 72.60% Kurd_Sorani + 27.40% Tabasaran
5.31275103 25.80% Kaitag_Dagestan + 74.20% Kurd_Sorani
5.33109740 44.40% Avar + 55.60% Iran_Arab
5.39504428 26.60% Avar + 73.40% Kurd_Sorani
5.47317863 72.60% Kurd_Sorani + 27.40% Lak
5.50657682 55.00% Iran_Arab + 45.00% Tabasaran
5.54643807 25.60% Kubachi_Dagestan + 74.40% Kurd_Sorani
5.54873545 68.40% Kurd_Sorani + 31.60% Lezgin
5.65459706 41.40% Dargin + 58.60% Iran_Arab
5.65760731 23.80% Dargin + 76.20% Kurd_Sorani
5.72933270 56.80% Iran_Arab + 43.20% Kaitag_Dagestan
5.73699069 43.80% Iraqi_Arab + 56.20% Lezgin


Seems to be a mix between Dagestani (probably not Dagestani Azeri) and Iranian.

Maybe they are Tats?

[Sterling Archer]

Maybe they are Tats?

I haven't though of that. It is possible, but still hard for me to reconcile high steppe and lack of siberia. Unfortunately we don't have that many (I only have one) Azerbaijani tat samples to compare to.
The one I (whose father is from Absheron) have is different from Absheron samples here, and is more Dagestani shifted.

Tat,22.10,2.73,0,0.86,6.70,12.86,2.20,0,8.63,0.63, 43.19,0.12

Distance to: Tat
4.36114664 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
7.22527508 Azerbaijani_Turkey
7.42202802 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
7.45962466 Udi_Azerbaijan
7.69302281 Ingush
7.86921216 Azerbaijani_Iran
7.89792378 Talysh_Azerbaijan
8.10874836 Azerbaijani
8.21140670 Adyghe
8.40471891 Zaza
9.07261263 Turk_East
9.21102600 Kumyk
9.22850475 Kurd_Kurmanji
9.43132546 Karachay
9.49040041 Kurd_Adygea
9.50027894 Ossetian
9.55973326 Abazin
9.73336530 Circassian
10.09756901 Kabardin
10.18201355 Chechen
10.43407878 Balkar
10.64135800 Turk_Southeast
10.76477589 Turk_Central_East
10.78490148 Yazidi
10.87154083 Iranian

Distance to: Tat
1.52982144 57.00% Adyghe + 43.00% Yazidi
1.65772972 61.40% Adyghe + 38.60% Lur_Iran
1.67293818 53.20% Ossetian + 46.80% Yazidi
1.76183054 50.20% Karachay + 49.80% Kurd_Adygea
1.78201986 53.00% Adyghe + 47.00% Kurd_Kurmanji
1.81974923 53.80% Adyghe + 46.20% Kurd_Adygea
1.82837141 61.60% Ingush + 38.40% Iraq_Turkmen
1.83243694 52.40% Ingush + 47.60% Zaza
1.85408262 58.80% Adyghe + 41.20% Kurd_Sorani
1.87322397 63.40% Adyghe + 36.60% Iranian_Fars
1.87530761 50.80% Kurd_Kurmanji + 49.20% Ossetian
1.90856183 45.00% Abazin + 55.00% Talysh_Azerbaijan
1.92995961 76.60% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 23.40% Georgian


Finally, I run Absheron sample with tat included in the spreadsheet. This is what I get:
Distance to: Absheron02
8.41966745 Kurd_Sorani
8.82977916 Talysh_Azerbaijan
8.92191123 Kurd_Adygea
9.03586188 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
9.10379591 Kurd_Kurmanji
9.19872817 Iranian_Fars
9.34484350 Yazidi
9.40912855 Azerbaijani_Iran
9.76616097 Zaza
9.87385436 Iraq_Turkmen
9.89376571 Iranian
9.99694953 Azerbaijani
10.06427345 Tat
10.56926204 Lur_Iran
11.08866989 Iran_Khorasan

Again, very distant even from tat sample. I hope we can get more information about the source of these samples.
So far none of these samples look Azerbaijani to me, not even the first one. Maybe this is what Absheron tats will look like (different from the northern Azerbaijani tats) if we obtain more samples.

[Mejgusu]

Again, very distant even from tat sample. I hope we can get more information about the source of these samples.
So far none of these samples look Azerbaijani to me, not even the first one. Maybe this is what Absheron tats will look like (different from the northern Azerbaijani tats) if we obtain more samples.

Weren’t the coastal parts of Azerbaijan once predominantly non-Turkish? Results from Lenkoran seem to be mixed for example, i think these results are just turkified Iranics. This steppe influence is indeed very high but aren’t Udi people also steppe influenced although they are neither Turkic nor Iranic? Maybe there were some northern impact from Caucasus which
influenced some natives or Iranics.

[Kyp]

Weren’t the coastal parts of Azerbaijan once predominantly non-Turkish? Results from Lenkoran seem to be mixed for example, i think these results are just turkified Iranics. This steppe influence is indeed very high but aren’t Udi people also steppe influenced although they are neither Turkic nor Iranic? Maybe there were some northern impact from Caucasus which
influenced some natives or Iranics.

Absheron was considered predominantly populated by Tats. Tats seem to have high North_Euro (intermediate between NW Iranics and Dagestanis) and close to zero turkic input. Yes Udis are a good example although they probably are a bit western shifted compared to Tats.


At least this is what it looks like for now. High northeuro and low turkic seems to be common in the Northeast and Tats I assume to be intermediate between Lezgins and Kurds.

[Sterling Archer]

Absheron was considered predominantly populated by Tats. Tats seem to have high North_Euro (intermediate between NW Iranics and Dagestanis) and close to zero turkic input. Yes Udis are a good example although they probably are a bit western shifted compared to Tats.


At least this is what it looks like for now. High northeuro and low turkic seems to be common in the Northeast and Tats I assume to be intermediate between Lezgins and Kurds.
Yes, Udis don't have that much steppe.

The other issue is that Turks used tat as a general term for iranic speaking population of Azerbaijan. This would indicate that tats probably don't have a common origin. So for example Northern tats from Guba/Derbent would be different from tats of Absheron.

One paper that studies Y-DNA found that Dagestani tats had similar haplogroups to Kubachin (subgroup of Dargins) people.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22275152/
J1-M267 65%
J2-M172 5%
R1b1-P25 25%


So here we might actually be talking about initial persianisation of local Caucasian people.

[RatCat]

I don't know if i shared this result before.

A match of mine, dont know the exact ethnicity but She is from Eastern Black Sea. Distances are big, interesting result.

Population
Gedrosia 14.4 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 0.33 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 8.37 Pct
North_European 2.87 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 12.59 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 61.45 Pct
Sub_Saharan -


Distance to: Hacer
5.96489732 Laz
6.02834140 Hemshin
7.36005435 Georgian_Adjara
7.78183783 Greek_Pontus
7.99574262 Georgian_Turkey
8.16931454 Turk_East_Black_Sea
9.81618052 Georgian_Imereti
11.49686479 Turk_Ahiska
11.66467745 Georgian_Mingrelian
11.99750807 Georgian_Gurian
12.02274927 Georgian
12.66655439 Armenian_East
13.32542682 Armenian_West
14.79494846 Georgian_Svan
15.23934054 Abkhazian
16.31870706 Assyrian_West
16.34124842 Assyrian_North
16.72809911 Assyrian_South
16.76575677 Azeri_Jew
17.14830604 Turk_East
17.82363880 Udi_Azerbaijan
17.89117939 Greek_Cappadocia
19.30408765 Kurdish_Jew
19.97560012 Iraqi_Jew
20.01217379 Iranian_Jew


Target: Hacer
Distance: 5.9065% / 5.90654593
98.4 Laz
1.6 Yemenite_Mahra


Target: Hacer
Distance: 5.9513% / 5.95125222 | ADC: 0.5x RC
70.4 Laz
29.6 Hemshin

[Dr_Maul]

I don't know if i shared this result before.

A match of mine, dont know the exact ethnicity but She is from Eastern Black Sea. Distances are big, interesting result.

Population
Gedrosia 14.4 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 0.33 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 8.37 Pct
North_European 2.87 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 12.59 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 61.45 Pct
Sub_Saharan -


Distance to: Hacer
5.96489732 Laz
6.02834140 Hemshin
7.36005435 Georgian_Adjara
7.78183783 Greek_Pontus
7.99574262 Georgian_Turkey
8.16931454 Turk_East_Black_Sea
9.81618052 Georgian_Imereti
11.49686479 Turk_Ahiska
11.66467745 Georgian_Mingrelian
11.99750807 Georgian_Gurian
12.02274927 Georgian
12.66655439 Armenian_East
13.32542682 Armenian_West
14.79494846 Georgian_Svan
15.23934054 Abkhazian
16.31870706 Assyrian_West
16.34124842 Assyrian_North
16.72809911 Assyrian_South
16.76575677 Azeri_Jew
17.14830604 Turk_East
17.82363880 Udi_Azerbaijan
17.89117939 Greek_Cappadocia
19.30408765 Kurdish_Jew
19.97560012 Iraqi_Jew
20.01217379 Iranian_Jew


Target: Hacer
Distance: 5.9065% / 5.90654593
98.4 Laz
1.6 Yemenite_Mahra


Target: Hacer
Distance: 5.9513% / 5.95125222 | ADC: 0.5x RC
70.4 Laz
29.6 Hemshin

Wow 61.5% caucasus, I think thats the highest I've seen
maybe that is causing the distance

[Nanushka]

I don't think the Avars were ever present in Europe or outside the North Caucasus. And that's not really Slavic either. Dagestan is the most European HG part of the Caucasus, I think that's because of the close proximity to the Eurasian Steppe which is just north of the Caspian Sea.

No, Avars were in Northern Caucasus after northern India and western Turkistan, they were of Hunnic origin called White Huns, then they migrated to deep Europe and set an empire there. That is a fact and there is full evidence related to that including the genetics. What you claim sounds like Greeks were never present in Land of Kipchak or Persians were never present in Central Asia. So you believe that they had settled (though not in big numbers as Avars did in Europe) in those lands but Avars did not migrate and not settled in Europe, especially governed Slavics? Contradictory. I know you are Russian and its difficult to accept it as a IE theory supporter but there is enough proof that contemporary and early Avars are one and same although the former surely mixed with the locals (who were of Sarmatian origin). Thats why the y-haplogroup of Avar males is predominantly J1, after Sarmatian origins, with less R1 and mt-haplogroups are H, U and K5 and our test results reflect higher northern European components. I have even far-cousins from Icelanders from mt-DNA


Kalmykia and Astrakhan were part of the Indo-European/Yamnaya sphere.

and they were (and still) are Turkic

Leto I know you are into genetics, so here are some links about the genetics of Hungarian conquerers (and some of them are found to be related to Avars in Daghestan) and Sarmatians:

''There is a 1–1 mutation step deviation on 2 frequently mutating markers (DYS570 and DYS576) that are not in the network, which is in accord with the observation that the male from Bodrogköz is a direct descendant of either the research individual or the research individual’s close genetic relative. The two samples are 1 genetic step away on 17 loci from a Northeast Caucasian (from Dagestan) Avar sample; this haplogroup may have entered the Hungarian Conqueror genome in the foreground of the Caucasus''

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12520-019-00996-0

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.25.008078v1.full?fbclid=IwAR3MzsqhRBwj40EN Eoi2xH6YB1FypzomNE29lcgQAI6N5y4xLNPFOaQ0haE

Everybody should read them

I am currently writing an academic article on White Huns and Avars and their connection to contemporary Avars in my university, as I also know the language, but I will share it when it is published

[Sterling Archer]

No, Avars were in Northern Caucasus after northern India and western Turkistan, they were of Hunnic origin called White Huns, then they migrated to deep Europe and set an empire there. That is a fact and there is full evidence related to that including the genetics. What you claim sounds like Greeks were never present in Land of Kipchak or Persians were never present in Central Asia. So you believe that they had settled (though not in big numbers as Avars did in Europe) in those lands but Avars did not migrate and not settled in Europe, especially governed Slavics? Contradictory. I know you are Russian and its difficult to accept it as a IE theory supporter but there is enough proof that contemporary and early Avars are one and same although the former surely mixed with the locals (who were of Sarmatian origin). Thats why the y-haplogroup of Avar males is predominantly J1, after Sarmatian origins, with less R1 and mt-haplogroups are H, U and K5 and our test results reflect higher northern European components. I have even far-cousins from Icelanders from mt-DNA
I think you are confusing something here. You are talking about Pannonian Avars, Turkic or Eruasian group not related to Caucasian Avars, who untill relatively recently weren't called Avars at all.
if you are interested, here is the info:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pannonian_Avars

Higher Europen component doesn't mean Avars were in Europe or vise versa. That component is not really European in origin. It originated somewhere in the Eurasian steppes, and sipped into Caucasus later. There are ethnic groups in Eurasia (Chuvash, Tatar for example) with much higher percentage of North Europe than any Avar or many europeans.
The fact that you have a cousin in Iceland means absolutely nothing. One guy in Nakchiavan, Azerbaijan ended up having distant cousins in Scotland and UK. Again, doesn't mean what you think it means. Just that some people moved around.

[Altaylı]

Nogai from Ankara Şereflikoçhisar Doğankaya village

Gedrosia 12.90 Pct
Siberian 12.93 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 2.48 Pct
Atlantic_Med 7.42 Pct
North_European 16.89 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 2.48 Pct
East_Asian 22.01 Pct
Caucasus 22.88 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Nogai_Gossar
10.51016175 Turkmen_Afghanistan
10.55310855 Uzbeki
10.92747912 Uzbek
13.29759001 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
13.88110947 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe
14.11713852 Nogai_Stavropol
16.59234763 Karakalpak
16.71658458 Turkmen_Iran
17.12899005 Uyghur
17.56775171 Nogai
18.59835477 Nogai_Astrakhan
20.90842414 Lipka_Tatar
20.91103776 Hazara
21.93062243 Turkmen_TM
22.90473968 Tajik_Mountain
23.07987868 Kazakh
23.17558845 Turk_Northwest
23.74177963 Bashkir_South
23.82371927 Tatar_Siberia
24.24372702 Turk_Southwest
24.95027054 Kyrgyz_Pamir
25.37774616 Tajik_Lowland
25.46302810 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
26.48788780 Kyrgyz
26.61296113 Turk_West_BlackSea

Target: Nogai_Gossar
Distance: 2.4216% / 2.42158597 | ADC: 0.25x RC
31.6 Nogai
27.5 Nogai_Stavropol
13.6 Turk_Southwest
12.3 Uzbek
7.5 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe
7.5 Japanese

Here is Doğankaya village

https://youtu.be/2cDa9WEEMgs

[Kaspias]

Nogai from Ankara Şereflikoçhisar Doğankaya village


The village belongs to the Cemboyluk tribe, they are probably from somewhere around the modern-day Melitopol.

[Nanushka]

I think you are confusing something here. You are talking about Pannonian Avars, Turkic or Eruasian group not related to Caucasian Avars, who untill relatively recently weren't called Avars at all.
if you are interested, here is the info:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pannonian_Avars

are u just kidding me?? Who are you? How can you just challenge me with your little info and some crap from wiki?? sorry but I dont read or take wiki as a source. Dont you dare to write to me, an Avar from Dagestan who knows the language and have been researching about her roots and culture for years! You have no idea about us and our culture but you think you have got the right to talk lol. Am I talking about Azeris? What you wrote is laughable about the name Avar and as an Azeri you should be ashamed of yourself to not support me on this discussion and implicitly supporting the IE theory


Higher Europen component doesn't mean Avars were in Europe or vise versa. That component is not really European in origin. It originated somewhere in the Eurasian steppes, and sipped into Caucasus later. There are ethnic groups in Eurasia (Chuvash, Tatar for example) with much higher percentage of North Europe than any Avar or many europeans.
The fact that you have a cousin in Iceland means absolutely nothing. One guy in Nakchiavan, Azerbaijan ended up having distant cousins in Scotland and UK. Again, doesn't mean what you think it means. Just that some people moved around.

Evidence? Dont jump in and speak without evidence with me. It was for Leto in the first place who is researching as well and you are commenting only with your feelings. I always talk with evidence and my whole results show how we are consistent with the migration routes of Avars as I can see all the Avars have more or less the same results in a DNA project group that I am member of. What are you trying to do? Who will applause you trying to challenge me? This is ridiculous and humiliating on your account. Whatever I write here has got proof and they are results of long research, not hearsay or wishful thinking about Avars like in your case! I am an academic and raised in that ethnicity so either read what I posted above in links or keep quiet before you research and learn well

oh and a question for Kaspias: why did you thumb him up so quickly? What do you know about Avars and their origins? or is he just your good friend?

[Leto]

Buusra, he is right though. Those medieval Avars are not the same thing as the modern Avars in Dagestan. I'm not interested in this debate and I advise you to not try and derail the thread any further.

[Nanushka]

Buusra, he is right though. Those medieval Avars are not the same thing as the modern Avars in Dagestan. I'm not interested in this debate and I advise you to not try and derail the thread any further.

DERAIL? LOL
you have just disappoint me so much. Any clear evidence, Leto? Tell me why he is right. Did you might as well have a look at the academic articles that I have submitted? You cant submit ANY evidence about whatever shit he wrote. So you are also making comments out of your feelings and for the sake of IE theory. And this means that I will not trust you any longer either

sure, end of story. I am not interested this debate with you either, but this doesnt change the truth! wait and see

[Mejgusu]

Until it stays in a nice atmosphere, won’t get too off topic and won’t be a long talk, every discussion is ok. A bit diversity is ok :)

[Leto]

DERAIL? LOL
you just disappoint me so much. Any clear evidence, Leto? Tell me why he is right. Did you might as well have a look at the academic articles that I have submitted? You cant submit ANY evidence about whatever shit he wrote. So you are also making comments out of your feelings and this means that I will not trust you any longer either

sure, end of story. I am not interested this debate with YOU either, but this doesnt change the truth!
You are overreacting to nothing. That's super female of you! We are serious-ass men here, maybe except one teenager :D Look, we aren't here to debate those things. I can respect your opinion and I don't even have a dog in this fight. The Avars are Northeastern Caucasian, they are neither Turkic nor Indo-European. But they are related to Europeans indirectly of course.

[Altaylı]

I am 100% purebred serious man

[Sterling Archer]

You are overreacting to nothing. That's super female of you! We are serious-ass men here, maybe except one teenager :D Look, we aren't here to debate those things. I can respect your opinion and I don't even have a dog in this fight. The Avars are Northeastern Caucasian, they are neither Turkic nor Indo-European. But they are related to Europeans indirectly of course.

To be honest, I am also surprised by such a strong reaction. I don't have a dog in this fight(didn't know there was a fight) either, I simply pointed out some historical facts. Goes to show, you have to be careful with some people:)

On an unrelated issue, I received some "reputation" with some comments to some of my posts. As I am new to this forum, I don't know how to reply. Can anyone help me with that?

[Leto]

On an unrelated issue, I received some "reputation" with some comments to some of my posts. As I am new to this forum, I don't know how to reply. Can anyone help me with that?
You can reply by clicking on the little star below.

[Sterling Archer]

On any post of that user? Because I don't see any star under my own post that received said reputation.

[Leto]

On any post of that user? Because I don't see any star under my own post that received said reputation.
Yes. People actually misuse that function. It's originally not intended for sending private messages.

[Altaylı]

DA89 Gokturk
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcToQBe1XikUxU65rL7nUExz8M-R4HizejeljQ&usqp=CAU
Gedrosia 23.62 Pct
Siberian 18.90 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 1.12 Pct
Atlantic_Med 11.24 Pct
North_European 26.86 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian -
East_Asian 18.09 Pct
Caucasus -
Sub_Saharan 0.17 Pct

Distance to: Gokturk
16.65927369 Bashkir_South
18.62774007 Tatar_Siberia
19.98584999 Tubalar
20.41608190 Altaian_Chelkan
21.14423089 Bashkir_Central
22.65941085 Uzbek
22.76302704 Turkmen_Afghanistan
23.31399151 Uzbeki
23.33350595 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe
23.52068877 Shor
23.56797191 Karakalpak
23.91542389 Nogai_Astrakhan
24.15739017 Tatar_Zabolotniye
24.18180928 Lipka_Tatar
24.59267167 Nogai_Stavropol
25.52375952 Bashkir_North
25.69868090 Uyghur
25.86881520 Hazara
26.69570190 Udmurt
26.70805309 Besermyan_Udmurtia
27.38341834 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
27.51875724 Tatar_Kazan
27.57852607 Kazakh
28.35810466 Mari
28.64114348 Kyrgyz_Pamir

Target: Gokturk
Distance: 9.1574% / 9.15741212
57.9 Altaian_Chelkan
23.1 Irish
17.8 Burusho
1.2 Japanese

[Leto]

Two Tajik (not Afghan) results, never posted before. They must be Pamiris because their Aryan ancestry is going through the roof :eek: :cool:

#1

L-M357
B4c1

Gedrosia 31.44 Pct
Siberian 5.74 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 5.59 Pct
North_European 21.14 Pct
South_Asian 10.4 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 1.62 Pct
East_Asian 5.22 Pct
Caucasus 18.46 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.39 Pct

Distance to: Khurshed
4.08690592 Pamiri_Shughnan
4.83350804 Pamiri_Ishkashim
4.97885529 Pamiri_Rushan
5.15892431 Tajik_Lowland
7.17260064 Tajik_Mountain
8.35600383 Yagnobi
11.29297127 Pashtun_Kandahar
11.92586684 Tajik_Herat
12.61219251 Tajik_Kabul
14.34973519 Tajik_Panjshir&Kapisa
14.77777385 Kho
15.61065021 Pashtun_Uthmankhel
15.85242568 Pashtun_Tarkalani
16.70909633 Turkmen_TM
17.65873438 Kalash
18.03260658 Pashtun_Yusafzai
18.36546760 Nuristani
18.53906416 Turkmen_Iran
20.05461543 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
20.50772537 Haryana_Ror

Target: Khurshed
Distance: 1.2301% / 1.23012327 | ADC: 0.25x RC
43.4 Pamiri_Ishkashim
35.4 Tajik_Mountain
21.2 Pamiri_Shughnan


#2

Gedrosia 30.07 Pct
Siberian 4.72 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 5.58 Pct
North_European 23.08 Pct
South_Asian 11.82 Pct
East_African 0.22 Pct
Southwest_Asian 2.63 Pct
East_Asian 3.04 Pct
Caucasus 18.74 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.1 Pct

Distance to: Sino
3.38786068 Pamiri_Shughnan
4.03306335 Pamiri_Rushan
4.56221437 Pamiri_Ishkashim
6.87020378 Tajik_Lowland
8.23366261 Yagnobi
9.20174983 Tajik_Mountain
11.43022309 Pashtun_Kandahar
12.92873930 Tajik_Herat
13.47603799 Tajik_Kabul
14.62025308 Kho
14.74557222 Tajik_Panjshir&Kapisa
15.32847024 Pashtun_Uthmankhel
15.58764254 Pashtun_Tarkalani
17.62356093 Kalash
17.88626568 Pashtun_Yusafzai
18.04147721 Turkmen_TM
18.39466771 Nuristani
19.50714228 Haryana_Ror
19.90325350 Turkmen_Iran
20.97104432 Tabasaran

Target: Sino
Distance: 1.4128% / 1.41282123 | ADC: 0.5x RC
63.5 Pamiri_Shughnan
18.0 Pamiri_Ishkashim
9.7 Tajik_Lowland
8.8 Balkan_Gypsy

Target: Sino
Distance: 2.5395% / 2.53953404 | ADC: 1x RC
50.7 Pamiri_Shughnan
26.7 Pamiri_Ishkashim
22.6 Tajik_Lowland

https://iranpoliticsclub.net/flags/IPC/images/Iran%20Politics%20Club%20Traditional%20Faravahar%2 0Iran%20Flag.jpg

[Leto]

DA89 Gokturk
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcToQBe1XikUxU65rL7nUExz8M-R4HizejeljQ&usqp=CAU

I've checked the kit and the SNP count is pretty low (34,000 only). I think there was a better quality sample. Or maybe I'm mistaken.

[Altaylı]

A Rouran (300-500 AD)
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-a77fba3c15ffd0dfbb4f8e0b578d64fd
Probably Rourans were Proto mongols

[Altaylı]

Another Early medieval Turk Kimak DA87
https://scontent.fesb4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/125036486_135313768347691_4483049877153814209_o.jp g?_nc_cat=107&ccb=3&_nc_sid=07e735&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_ohc=vA-Mi0XTa4QAX_Q52VX&_nc_ht=scontent.fesb4-1.fna&tp=14&oh=6d3e9a892101f15390acce0e2752854b&oe=606125D4

[Leto]

Altayli, you are spamming the thread with fucking old stuff. There is no rule against it but it's kinda annoying.

[Altaylı]

Altayli, you are spamming the thread with fucking old stuff. There is no rule against it but it's kinda annoying.

Samples must be modern? I think these samples are very interesting

[Altaylı]

I promise to you leto i will post 100% purebred INDO EUROPEAN STEPPE ULTRA VIKING WARRIORS:cool::cool::machine gun: too
(I'm taking these samples from a very secret place don't tell anyone:cool::spy::curtain:)

[Leto]

Samples must be modern? I think these samples are very interesting
No, I mean they have been shared before. At least most of them.

[Leto]

Don't know what this one might be. A Turkish-sounding name but zero Mongoloid. In fact he is 100% West Eurasian. Has both Turkish and Armenian matches.

Gedrosia 19.36 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 0.35 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 10.34 Pct
North_European 5.7 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 9.7 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 54.55 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Salim
3.76218022 Hemshin
3.83065269 Laz
3.95694326 Turk_Ahiska
4.74878932 Turk_East_Black_Sea
5.29219236 Georgian_Adjara
5.89525233 Georgian_Turkey
5.97826898 Greek_Pontus
6.36622337 Georgian
6.55647009 Armenian_East
8.04302804 Georgian_Imereti

Target: Salim
Distance: 0.9386% / 0.93860491 | ADC: 0.25x RC
50.4 Georgian_Adjara
26.3 Laz
20.4 Udi_Azerbaijan
1.9 Spanish_Basque
1.0 Sardinian

Target: Salim
Distance: 1.7725% / 1.77249716 | ADC: 0.5x RC
73.3 Laz
26.7 Udi_Azerbaijan

[Altaylı]

No, I mean they have been shared before. At least most of them.

Impossible i get these samples from very secret place:cool::spy::ninja(especially aksaray ağaçören result i posted here before)

[Altaylı]

Don't know what this one might be. A Turkish-sounding name but zero Mongoloid. In fact he is 100% West Eurasian. Has both Turkish and Armenian matches.

Gedrosia 19.36 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 0.35 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 10.34 Pct
North_European 5.7 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 9.7 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 54.55 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Salim
3.76218022 Hemshin
3.83065269 Laz
3.95694326 Turk_Ahiska
4.74878932 Turk_East_Black_Sea
5.29219236 Georgian_Adjara
5.89525233 Georgian_Turkey
5.97826898 Greek_Pontus
6.36622337 Georgian
6.55647009 Armenian_East
8.04302804 Georgian_Imereti

Target: Salim
Distance: 0.9386% / 0.93860491 | ADC: 0.25x RC
50.4 Georgian_Adjara
26.3 Laz
20.4 Udi_Azerbaijan
1.9 Spanish_Basque
1.0 Sardinian

Target: Salim
Distance: 1.7725% / 1.77249716 | ADC: 0.5x RC
73.3 Laz
26.7 Udi_Azerbaijan

Probably he is from northeast Turkey i saw this result before pls post new results here this is very annoying

[Leto]

Probably he is from northeast Turkey i saw this result before pls post new results here this is very annoying
Dude, I don't remember it. Don't try to troll me now. I sort of run this thread, few people care anyway. But trolling isn't welcome here.

[Altaylı]

Dude, I don't remember it. Don't try to troll me now. I sort of run this thread, few people care anyway. But trolling isn't welcome here.


I am 100% purebred serious man

[Leto]

Reposting one or two old results is no problem. Doing it all the time is a bad idea.

[Altaylı]

Reposting one or two old results is no problem. Doing it all the time is a bad idea.

Did you see my Aksaray ağaçören result before?


Finally i found an Aksaray/Ağaçören result i have ancestors from Aksaray/ağaçören(an ancestor from mother side from afshar village, and an ancestor from paternal side from Abalı village(Abalı village is very close to şereflikoçhisar even i didn't know abalı counts as an ağaçören village lol)]

Gedrosia 18.85 Pct
Siberian 3.88 Pct
Northwest_African 0.52
Southeast_Asian 0.57 Pct
Atlantic_Med 12.86 Pct
North_European 9.85 Pct
South_Asian 2.06 Pct
East_African 0.33 Pct
Southwest_Asian 9.43 Pct
East_Asian 6.83 Pct
Caucasus 34.81Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Target: Ağaçörenli
Distance: 0.9896% / 0.98963912 | ADC: 0.25x RC
72.9 Azerbaijani_Turkey
8.9 Turkmen_TM
7.5 Spanish_Basque
7.0 Turk_Southwest
3.6 Japanese
0.1 Sardinian

Distance to: Ağaçörenli
5.60674594 Turk_South
6.25558151 Turk_Southwest
6.26991228 Turk_Central_West
6.90641731 Turk_Southeast
7.08734083 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
7.20315903 Azerbaijani
7.32144111 Turk_Central_East
7.49992667 Turk_West_BlackSea
7.91820055 Azerbaijani_Turkey
8.27447279 Turk_Northwest
8.84227346 Azerbaijani_Iran
11.31918283 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
12.04832768 Kurd_Kurmanji
12.72087654 Iraq_Turkmen
12.92286346 Zaza
12.97118345 Yazidi
13.17329875 Turk_East
13.60240052 Iran_Khorasan
13.66511617 Kurd_Adygea
13.66817106 Kurd_Sorani
13.89317458 Talysh_Azerbaijan
14.07015991 Turkmen_TM
14.29777605 Turkmen_Iran
14.52754969 Udi_Azerbaijan
14.60570437 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain

Turkicness
Target: Ağaçörenli
Distance: 3.3862% / 3.38622629 | ADC: 0.25x RC
41.1 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
24.3 Armenian_East
18.0 Armenian_West
16.6 Greek_Lemnos

This Ağaçörenli result is same with şereflikoçhisar results really i can't see any difference:eek:

Here is a şereflikoçhisar result

Target: Gossarlı_3
Distance: 0.9790% / 0.97897241 | ADC: 0.25x RC
73.3 Azerbaijani_Turkey
12.0 Turk_South
3.9 Algerian
3.9 Sardinian
3.0 Hazara
2.2 Yakut
1.7 Yazidi

Of course you didn't see it before because i get this result from a secret place:cool:

[Leto]

Did you see my Aksaray ağaçören result before?


Of course you didn't see it before because i get this result from a secret place:cool:
Yes, that one was new. Okay, let's stop this debate, it's unnecessary.

I don't have much to comment on Turkish results unless it's something very atypical and unique.

[Altaylı]

Yes, that one was new. Okay, let's stop this debate, it's unnecessary.

I don't have much to comment on Turkish results unless it's something very atypical and unique.

My results are ultra 100% unique and interesting

[Dr_Maul]

Another Early medieval Turk Kimak DA87
https://scontent.fesb4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/125036486_135313768347691_4483049877153814209_o.jp g?_nc_cat=107&ccb=3&_nc_sid=07e735&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_ohc=vA-Mi0XTa4QAX_Q52VX&_nc_ht=scontent.fesb4-1.fna&tp=14&oh=6d3e9a892101f15390acce0e2752854b&oe=606125D4

Weird how this guy has decent Gedrosia but no South Asian and barely any Caucasus. Normally they have similar or equal to at least one of those components depending on geographic (south asian in the east and Caucasus to the west)

[Altaylı]

Weird how this guy has decent Gedrosia but no South Asian and barely any Caucasus. Normally they have similar or equal to at least one of those components depending on geographic (south asian in the east and Caucasus to the west)

I agree He has very interesting autosomal also DA89 Gokturk is same too he has 23 pct gedrosia 0 caucasus 0 south asian

[Mejgusu]

Weird how this guy has decent Gedrosia but no South Asian and barely any Caucasus. Normally they have similar or equal to at least one of those components depending on geographic (south asian in the east and Caucasus to the west)

I am still not sure whether early Turkics really had any Caucasus, i doubt that everything above 10% came from Turkic stock. On the other hand Gedrosia was present in high numbers, but no South Asian nor Atl_Med. Both components are definitely non-Turkic influences(Iranic most probably). I found the Botai sample which i posted many months ago, it hadn’t any Caucasus, but 20% Gedrosia(Botai culture was either Iranic, Ugric or Altaic(Turkic), but it seems they were Ugric).

[Fedora]

I am still not sure whether early Turkics really had any Caucasus, i doubt that everything above 10% came from Turkic stock. On the other hand Gedrosia was present in high numbers, but no South Asian nor Atl_Med. Both components are definitely non-Turkic influences(Iranic most probably). I found the Botai sample which i posted many months ago, it hadn’t any Caucasus, but 20% Gedrosia(Botai culture was either Iranic, Ugric or Altaic(Turkic), but it seems they were Ugric).

Botai culture predates turkic or iranic. They don't seem to have any descend. They scored like 40% NOrth Euro 20% Gedrosia rest mogloid or something like this. They were the first culture to domesticate Horses according to current research, and the direct descend of those horses are the mongolian wild horses of today. The Botai culture 5000 years old. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Botai_culture

[Dr_Maul]

I am still not sure whether early Turkics really had any Caucasus, i doubt that everything above 10% came from Turkic stock. On the other hand Gedrosia was present in high numbers, but no South Asian nor Atl_Med. Both components are definitely non-Turkic influences(Iranic most probably). I found the Botai sample which i posted many months ago, it hadn’t any Caucasus, but 20% Gedrosia(Botai culture was either Iranic, Ugric or Altaic(Turkic), but it seems they were Ugric).

But the question is how can it be pure Gedrosia in Turkics when Iran_N as a standalone population was already extinct for thousands of years by the time of those first turks. BMAC at MOST was 75% Gedrosia (most being 40-60), and non EHG part of Yamnaya was mixed CHG with Iran N as well. So how can those Turks have pure Gedrosia without CHG/South Asia when such a population was extinct for so long. Therefore its probably from some more ancient source where perhaps Iran_N mixed with EHG/N European or even Mongoloid (or all 3)

[Mejgusu]

Botai culture predates turkic or iranic. They don't seem to have any descend. They scored like 40% NOrth Euro 20% Gedrosia rest mogloid or something like this. They were the first culture to domesticate Horses according to current research, and the direct descend of those horses are the mongolian wild horses of today.

I just saw one sample, and it was neither Turkic nor Iranic(genetically!). If we get more samples we could say for certain what they were. You don’t need to explain me anything btw.

Distance to: Botai
16.45653670 Udmurt
18.34515740 Mari
20.76600587 Besermyan_Udmurtia
21.90489900 Chuvash
23.58355359 Tatar_Zabolotniye
24.91896667 Komi
25.03601805 Bashkir_North
25.32758180 Bashkir_Central
28.05387139 Bashkir_South
28.40052640 Tatar_Kazan
30.43240050 Tatar_Siberia
30.92036384 Tatar_Mishar
32.62162626 Russian_Ural
33.12807269 Russian_Arkhangelsk
35.20357794 Altaian_Chelkan
35.68134246 Veps
35.95610101 Mordovian
36.17558984 Shor
36.50976582 Lipka_Tatar
36.54271884 Russian_Kostroma
37.13271469 Tubalar
37.40698732 North_Russian
37.50848037 Karelian
38.11423225 Finnish_East
38.90310527 Russian_Ryazan

Target: Botai
Distance: 15.3637% / 15.36373770 | ADC: 0.25x RC
73.9 Udmurt
23.0 Tatar_Zabolotniye
2.3 Meena
0.8 Kalash


But the question is how can it be pure Gedrosia in Turkics when Iran_N as a standalone population was already extinct for thousands of years by the time of those first turks. BMAC at MOST was 75% Gedrosia (most being 40-60), and non EHG part of Yamnaya was mixed CHG with Iran N as well. So how can those Turks have pure Gedrosia without CHG/South Asia when such a population was extinct for so long. Therefore its probably from some more ancient source where perhaps Iran_N mixed with EHG/N European or even Mongoloid (or all 3)

This Botai sample also had a lot, wasn’t Gedrosia also present among every pre-Turkic steppe people like Scythians? Besides of that i can’t explain your points, they are interesting information but unfortunately i don’t have enough knowledge about that. Maybe Leto or someone else has ancient samples which can answer your questions?

[Altaylı]

Aren't Botai people R1b and first horse riders?
Were they ugric? :icon_eek::icon_eek:

[Dr_Maul]

This Botai sample also had a lot, wasn’t Gedrosia also present among every pre-Turkic steppe people like Scythians? Besides of that i can’t explain your points, they are interesting information but unfortunately i don’t have enough knowledge about that. Maybe Leto or someone else has ancient samples which can answer your questions?

Yes Gedrosia is generally widespread (part due to Yamnaya other part due to BMAC mixing/assimilation) in however it almost always has CHG included in the west and some Indus valley / south asian in the east. Thats why im confused how that Kimak has basically none of both those




Aren't Botai people R1b and first horse riders?
Were they ugric? :icon_eek::icon_eek:

I don't know anything about Botai History or language to be honest. But those we have on Vahaduo are Y-tested, yes

BOT14:
R1b1a1a1a*
https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y14051*/

BOT15:
C1b2a1
https://www.yfull.com/tree/C-M208/

The other 2 which were tested were both Women, with haplogroup Z1a
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d5/Eurasian_frequency_distribution_of_mtDNA_haplogrou p_Z.png

[Leto]

Georgian

Gedrosia 17.96 Pct
Siberian 0.53 Pct
Northwest_African 0.54 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 3.14 Pct
North_European 11.77 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 5.44 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 59.49 Pct
Sub_Saharan 1.13 Pct

Distance to: nodo
2.46391964 Georgian_Gurian
3.16644912 Georgian_Svan
3.39378844 Georgian_Mingrelian
4.64486814 Abkhazian
5.00860260 Georgian_Imereti
6.31241634 Georgian
8.32234342 Georgian_Turkey
9.71459726 Turk_Ahiska
9.74066220 Georgian_Adjara
9.95668620 Ossetian_South

Target: nodo
Distance: 1.8613% / 1.86128411
67.1 Georgian_Mingrelian
19.8 Georgian_Svan
10.3 Georgian_Gurian
2.0 Lithuanian
0.8 Mandenka

Distance to: nodo
2.14304120 96.80% Georgian_Mingrelian + 3.20% Latvian
2.17685902 3.00% Finnish_East + 97.00% Georgian_Mingrelian
2.17813284 96.80% Georgian_Mingrelian + 3.20% Lithuanian
2.19114896 96.80% Georgian_Mingrelian + 3.20% Veps
2.19454857 96.60% Georgian_Mingrelian + 3.40% Russian_Arkhangelsk

[Kaspias]

Interesting stuff

https://i.ibb.co/C7C2938/XX.png

[Leto]

...
Hi, I just wanted to tell you that Euro K13 is now quite good for you :) :cool:

Distance to: Buusra(Turkish_Avar)
5.64869897 Avar
5.93771842 Tabassaran
6.73479770 Chechen
6.82267543 Lak
7.23203982 Dargin
8.54088403 Lezgin
10.23274645 Ingush
10.27228310 Kabardin
11.70179046 North_Ossetian
12.00209982 Yagnobi

Distance to: Buusra(Turkish_Avar)
2.27656768 8.60% Italian_Sardinia + 91.40% Lak
2.54679828 93.00% Avar + 7.00% Italian_Sardinia
2.67698680 91.00% Dargin + 9.00% Italian_Sardinia
3.26781627 10.60% France_Corsica + 89.40% Lak
3.39161627 90.40% Dargin + 9.60% Moroccan
3.45658605 9.80% Algerian + 90.20% Dargin
3.46011756 11.40% Italian_Lazio + 88.60% Lak
3.46403931 92.00% Avar + 8.00% France_Corsica
3.47087347 90.40% Lak + 9.60% Spanish_Andalucia
3.48522366 90.40% Dargin + 9.60% Mozabite_Berber

Target: Buusra(Turkish_Avar)
Distance: 1.2925% / 1.29246934 | ADC: 0.25x RC
59.4 Dargin
31.3 Kabardin
5.0 French_Basque
3.9 Kalash
0.4 North_Amerindian

Target: Buusra(Turkish_Avar)
Distance: 2.1279% / 2.12785066 | ADC: 0.5x RC
70.8 Avar
24.5 Kabardin
4.7 French_Basque

But it still shows some elevated West Mediterranean (French_Basque).

[Kaspias]

Turkish Cypriot from the Southern(Greek adm.) Cyprus, Esentepe/Αγιος Νικόλαος and Kalkanlı/Κάτω Αρόδες.


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 42.3
2 Southwest_Asian 18.66
3 Atlantic_Med 17.64
4 Gedrosia 10.18
5 North_European 3.78
6 Northwest_African 3.53
7 East_African 2.6
8 East_Asian 0.92
9 Southeast_Asian 0.2
10 South_Asian 0.19

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Lebanese (Behar) 7.46
2 Cypriots (Behar) 8.61
3 Druze (HGDP) 9.72
4 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 10.96
5 Syrians (Behar) 11.48
6 Jordanians (Behar) 12.48
7 Turkish (Dodecad) 12.84
8 Iraq_Jews (Behar) 13.55
9 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 13.86
10 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 13.94
11 Turks (Behar) 13.98
12 Palestinian (HGDP) 14.63
13 Assyrian (Dodecad) 14.66
14 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 14.69
15 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 14.87
16 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 15.01
17 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 15.07
18 Iranian_Jews (Behar) 15.49
19 Armenian (Dodecad) 16.35
20 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 16.42

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 59% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 41% Iranian_Jews (Behar) @ 2.93
2 82.6% Druze (HGDP) + 17.4% Canarias (1000Genomes) @ 2.94
3 83.1% Druze (HGDP) + 16.9% Extremadura (1000Genomes) @ 3.01
4 55.7% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 44.3% Iraq_Jews (Behar) @ 3.13
5 51.8% Morocco_Jews (Behar) + 48.2% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 3.14
6 83.3% Druze (HGDP) + 16.7% Portuguese (Dodecad) @ 3.2
7 83.4% Druze (HGDP) + 16.6% Andalucia (1000Genomes) @ 3.23
8 84% Druze (HGDP) + 16% Castilla_Y_Leon (1000Genomes) @ 3.26
9 84.4% Druze (HGDP) + 15.6% Spanish (Dodecad) @ 3.3
10 83.3% Druze (HGDP) + 16.7% Galicia (1000Genomes) @ 3.31
11 84.5% Druze (HGDP) + 15.5% Cataluna (1000Genomes) @ 3.31
12 84.5% Druze (HGDP) + 15.5% Castilla_La_Mancha (1000Genomes) @ 3.32
13 83.3% Druze (HGDP) + 16.7% Murcia (1000Genomes) @ 3.35
14 84.8% Druze (HGDP) + 15.2% Valencia (1000Genomes) @ 3.38
15 55.9% Iraq_Jews (Behar) + 44.1% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 3.38
16 84.3% Druze (HGDP) + 15.7% Spaniards (Behar) @ 3.39
17 84.9% Druze (HGDP) + 15.1% Cantabria (1000Genomes) @ 3.4
18 85% Druze (HGDP) + 15% Aragon (1000Genomes) @ 3.42
19 83.1% Druze (HGDP) + 16.9% Baleares (1000Genomes) @ 3.45
20 51.5% Morocco_Jews (Behar) + 48.5% Assyrian (Dodecad) @ 3.51


Distance to: Yalçın
3.58408984 Nusayri_Turkey
4.46913862 Greek_Cypriot
5.53780642 Turk_Cyprus
5.70263974 Lebanese_Christian
7.13305685 Lebanese_Muslim
7.57921500 Palestinian_Christian
8.27773520 Syrian_SW_Christian
8.39453394 Jordanian_Christian
8.67143587 Greek_Cappadocia
9.76551586 Greek_Rhodes
9.93855623 Palestinian
10.30343632 Greek_Kos
10.86113254 Syrian_Muslim
11.32041077 Assyrian_West
11.38855127 Jordanian_Muslim
11.53955372 Iraqi_Jew
11.77907467 Assyrian_South
11.80038982 Sephardic_Jews
11.91859472 Kurdish_Jew
12.35284987 Armenian_West
12.40735669 Assyrian_North
12.67040647 Iranian_Jew
12.75049411 Azeri_Jew
13.11331003 Italian_Jews
13.12773019 Greek_Icaria

Distance to: Yalçın
1.68620272 62.60% Greek_Cypriot + 37.40% Lebanese_Muslim
1.85188706 49.20% Lebanese_Christian + 50.80% Turk_Cyprus
2.11310755 73.00% Greek_Cypriot + 27.00% Syrian_Muslim
2.13913960 64.00% Nusayri_Turkey + 36.00% Turk_Cyprus
2.21217250 53.60% Greek_Cappadocia + 46.40% Palestinian
2.21652473 80.40% Nusayri_Turkey + 19.60% Sephardic_Jews
2.26684679 17.60% Italian_Jews + 82.40% Nusayri_Turkey
2.27526001 81.40% Greek_Cypriot + 18.60% Iran_Arab
2.31836209 31.60% Egyptian + 68.40% Greek_Cappadocia
2.33925986 14.60% Ashkenazi_Jews + 85.40% Nusayri_Turkey
2.34703011 81.00% Greek_Cypriot + 19.00% Iraqi_Arab
2.35099690 78.00% Greek_Cypriot + 22.00% Iraqi_Baghdad
2.38817664 38.60% Syrian_SW_Christian + 61.40% Turk_Cyprus
2.38950878 57.20% Greek_Cappadocia + 42.80% Jordanian_Muslim
2.40138504 17.00% Greek_Icaria + 83.00% Nusayri_Turkey
2.41217297 41.00% Palestinian_Christian + 59.00% Turk_Cyprus
2.42525543 14.20% MD_Jewish + 85.80% Nusayri_Turkey
2.43830837 14.80% Italian_Calabria + 85.20% Nusayri_Turkey
2.45202392 72.00% Greek_Cypriot + 28.00% Palestinian
2.46073174 28.20% Coptic + 71.80% Greek_Cappadocia
2.49531408 41.00% Greek_Cypriot + 59.00% Nusayri_Turkey
2.51938340 14.60% Morocco_Jews + 85.40% Nusayri_Turkey
2.52252707 21.20% Greek_Rhodes + 78.80% Nusayri_Turkey
2.53317365 75.00% Greek_Cypriot + 25.00% Jordanian_Muslim
2.55784284 20.00% Greek_Kos + 80.00% Nusayri_Turkey

[Mejgusu]

I found 2 other Botai samples(thank RatCat) i have their results now:

Botai1,17.43,27.27,0,1.39,0,48.11,4.68,0,0,0.97,0, 0.15
Botai2,20.62,29.44,0,0,0,46.76,3.18,0,0,0,0,0(alre ady posted)
Botai3,20.43,26.95,0,0,0,46.76,5.37,0,0,0.81,0,0.4 6

They are genetically very homogeneous and neither Iranic(or IE) nor Turkic. Maybe they were absorbed by other groups, since there is no any linguistical evidence we can’t say what they were exactly. But genetically they were Ugic and the Ugric theory is scientific accepted. Considering this results personally i would assume they were maybe the ancestors of Ugrics, as far i know R1b, N, C and O were found among them but i am not sure.

Distance to: Botai3
15.70109869 Udmurt
18.11739220 Mari
19.67567280 Besermyan_Udmurtia
21.21726420 Chuvash
23.78102815 Tatar_Zabolotniye
23.87507277 Bashkir_North
24.11986111 Bashkir_Central
24.24956494 Komi
26.94788674 Bashkir_South
27.12885917 Tatar_Kazan
29.46917881 Tatar_Siberia
29.68535666 Tatar_Mishar
31.85657546 Russian_Ural
32.56871659 Russian_Arkhangelsk
34.44774013 Altaian_Chelkan
34.91246339 Lipka_Tatar
35.02830427 Mordovian
35.22524805 Veps
35.63308575 Shor
35.82524250 Russian_Kostroma
36.24450855 Tubalar
36.76384637 North_Russian
36.98392624 Karelian
37.55398647 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe
37.73754894 Finnish_East

Target: Botai3
Distance: 14.1256% / 14.12563000
74.5 Udmurt
18.5 Tatar_Zabolotniye
5.3 Meena
1.7 Iyengar

Distance to: Botai1
14.62020178 Udmurt
16.25092920 Mari
18.82771096 Besermyan_Udmurtia
19.62361587 Chuvash
22.47389152 Komi
23.08220310 Bashkir_North
23.74191020 Bashkir_Central
23.77718024 Tatar_Zabolotniye
26.36499573 Tatar_Kazan
27.26867067 Bashkir_South
28.62578907 Tatar_Mishar
29.71841348 Tatar_Siberia
30.02157891 Russian_Ural
30.36076251 Russian_Arkhangelsk
32.90097719 Veps
33.41231061 Mordovian
33.94347949 Russian_Kostroma
34.78966513 North_Russian
34.79606587 Karelian
34.97358289 Lipka_Tatar
35.11160492 Altaian_Chelkan
35.36177032 Finnish_East
36.20519852 Shor
36.44094538 Russian_Ryazan
36.52796463 Finnish_West

Target: Botai1
Distance: 13.8639% / 13.86392287
80.4 Udmurt
16.7 Tatar_Zabolotniye
2.9 Iyengar

@DrMaul, they also have some South Asian. They are older than Turkics, maybe because of that? This samples look unmixed and seem to be just another children of the steppe.

[Altaylı]

I found 2 other Botai samples(thank RatCat) i have their results now:

Botai1,17.43,27.27,0,1.39,0,48.11,4.68,0,0,0.97,0, 0.15
Botai2,20.62,29.44,0,0,0,46.76,3.18,0,0,0,0,0(alre ady posted)
Botai3,20.43,26.95,0,0,0,46.76,5.37,0,0,0.81,0,0.4 6

They are genetically very homogeneous and neither Iranic(or IE) nor Turkic. Maybe they were absorbed by other groups, since there is no any linguistical evidence we can’t say what they were exactly. But genetically they were Ugic and the Ugric theory is scientific accepted. Considering this results personally i would assume they were maybe the ancestors of Ugrics, as far i know R1b, N, C and O were found among them but i am not sure.

Distance to: Botai3
15.70109869 Udmurt
18.11739220 Mari
19.67567280 Besermyan_Udmurtia
21.21726420 Chuvash
23.78102815 Tatar_Zabolotniye
23.87507277 Bashkir_North
24.11986111 Bashkir_Central
24.24956494 Komi
26.94788674 Bashkir_South
27.12885917 Tatar_Kazan
29.46917881 Tatar_Siberia
29.68535666 Tatar_Mishar
31.85657546 Russian_Ural
32.56871659 Russian_Arkhangelsk
34.44774013 Altaian_Chelkan
34.91246339 Lipka_Tatar
35.02830427 Mordovian
35.22524805 Veps
35.63308575 Shor
35.82524250 Russian_Kostroma
36.24450855 Tubalar
36.76384637 North_Russian
36.98392624 Karelian
37.55398647 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe
37.73754894 Finnish_East

Target: Botai3
Distance: 14.1256% / 14.12563000
74.5 Udmurt
18.5 Tatar_Zabolotniye
5.3 Meena
1.7 Iyengar

Distance to: Botai1
14.62020178 Udmurt
16.25092920 Mari
18.82771096 Besermyan_Udmurtia
19.62361587 Chuvash
22.47389152 Komi
23.08220310 Bashkir_North
23.74191020 Bashkir_Central
23.77718024 Tatar_Zabolotniye
26.36499573 Tatar_Kazan
27.26867067 Bashkir_South
28.62578907 Tatar_Mishar
29.71841348 Tatar_Siberia
30.02157891 Russian_Ural
30.36076251 Russian_Arkhangelsk
32.90097719 Veps
33.41231061 Mordovian
33.94347949 Russian_Kostroma
34.78966513 North_Russian
34.79606587 Karelian
34.97358289 Lipka_Tatar
35.11160492 Altaian_Chelkan
35.36177032 Finnish_East
36.20519852 Shor
36.44094538 Russian_Ryazan
36.52796463 Finnish_West

Target: Botai1
Distance: 13.8639% / 13.86392287
80.4 Udmurt
16.7 Tatar_Zabolotniye
2.9 Iyengar

@DrMaul, they also have some South Asian. They are older than Turkics, maybe because of that? This samples look unmixed and seem to be just another children of the steppe.

Actually they look like VUR people too
(Botai man)
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/bd/a7/71/bda771073d95a366c047cb9515792df0.jpg

[Edgü]

...

"Damgaard et al. (2018) extracted aDNA from three different Botai individuals. Two of them turned out to be genetically male, and another one was genetically female. Two of the samples were taken from crania curated in Petropavlovsk Museum, denoted as "Botai Excavation 14, 1983" and "Botai excavation 15".

Autosomally, the Botai population turned out to be closer to the Ancient North Eurasian component than the Yamnaya population. No significant gene flow between Botai and Yamnaya was observed.

Botai 14, dated to 3517-3108 cal BC, carried a derived allele at R1b1a1-M478. Haplogroup R1b occurs almost exclusively in non-European populations, and reaches the highest frequencies in populations surrounding the Altai region, the common ancestor with major European R1b lived somewhat more than 13 000 years ago). Botai 15, dated to 3343-3026 cal BC, belonged to the basal haplogroup N*-M231. Regarding mitochondrial DNA, the Copper Age Botai sample BOT2016 belonged to the haplogroup Z1a, Botai 15 - to R1b1, and Botai 14 - to K1b2.

One more Botai individual, tested in September 2015, belonged to the mitochondrial DNA haplogroup K1b2 and (with the 97.1% probability) the Y-DNA haplogroup O2."

https://yfull.com/tree/R-P297/

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/sci/suppl/2018/05/08/science.aar7711.DC1/aar7711_de_Barros_Damgaard_SM.pdf

http://iggc.kz/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Rezultaty-raboty-Lab-Pop-Gen-noyab-2016.pdf

[Fedora]

Here is documentary abotu Botai

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AGw8sMeZjg&t=

[Altaylı]

Here is documentary abotu Botai

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AGw8sMeZjg&t=

Beautiful lifestyle i love horses:o i have horse in my village too

[Altaylı]

Here is an Ankaran result i don’t know which place he is from in Ankara.

Dodecad K12b Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 38.92
2 Gedrosia 16.61
3 Atlantic_Med 12.28
4 Southwest_Asian 10.68
5 North_European 9.95
6 Siberian 3.75
7 East_Asian 3.47
8 Southeast_Asian 2.3
9 South_Asian 1.66
10 Northwest_African 0.23
11 East_African 0.16

Here is his myheritage results

https://youtu.be/E5ioSj_9Ums
He has 10% east eurasia but myheritage is just gave him to 3.1% Central Asia:picard1:
Myheritage is very stupid :picard2:

[Edgü]

I found 2 other Botai samples(thank RatCat) i have their results now:

Botai1,17.43,27.27,0,1.39,0,48.11,4.68,0,0,0.97,0, 0.15
Botai2,20.62,29.44,0,0,0,46.76,3.18,0,0,0,0,0(alre ady posted)
Botai3,20.43,26.95,0,0,0,46.76,5.37,0,0,0.81,0,0.4 6

They are genetically very homogeneous and neither Iranic(or IE) nor Turkic. Maybe they were absorbed by other groups, since there is no any linguistical evidence we can’t say what they were exactly. But genetically they were Ugic and the Ugric theory is scientific accepted. Considering this results personally i would assume they were maybe the ancestors of Ugrics, as far i know R1b, N, C and O were found among them but i am not sure.

Distance to: Botai3
15.70109869 Udmurt
18.11739220 Mari
19.67567280 Besermyan_Udmurtia
21.21726420 Chuvash
23.78102815 Tatar_Zabolotniye
23.87507277 Bashkir_North
24.11986111 Bashkir_Central
24.24956494 Komi
26.94788674 Bashkir_South
27.12885917 Tatar_Kazan
29.46917881 Tatar_Siberia
29.68535666 Tatar_Mishar
31.85657546 Russian_Ural
32.56871659 Russian_Arkhangelsk
34.44774013 Altaian_Chelkan
34.91246339 Lipka_Tatar
35.02830427 Mordovian
35.22524805 Veps
35.63308575 Shor
35.82524250 Russian_Kostroma
36.24450855 Tubalar
36.76384637 North_Russian
36.98392624 Karelian
37.55398647 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe
37.73754894 Finnish_East

Target: Botai3
Distance: 14.1256% / 14.12563000
74.5 Udmurt
18.5 Tatar_Zabolotniye
5.3 Meena
1.7 Iyengar

Distance to: Botai1
14.62020178 Udmurt
16.25092920 Mari
18.82771096 Besermyan_Udmurtia
19.62361587 Chuvash
22.47389152 Komi
23.08220310 Bashkir_North
23.74191020 Bashkir_Central
23.77718024 Tatar_Zabolotniye
26.36499573 Tatar_Kazan
27.26867067 Bashkir_South
28.62578907 Tatar_Mishar
29.71841348 Tatar_Siberia
30.02157891 Russian_Ural
30.36076251 Russian_Arkhangelsk
32.90097719 Veps
33.41231061 Mordovian
33.94347949 Russian_Kostroma
34.78966513 North_Russian
34.79606587 Karelian
34.97358289 Lipka_Tatar
35.11160492 Altaian_Chelkan
35.36177032 Finnish_East
36.20519852 Shor
36.44094538 Russian_Ryazan
36.52796463 Finnish_West

Target: Botai1
Distance: 13.8639% / 13.86392287
80.4 Udmurt
16.7 Tatar_Zabolotniye
2.9 Iyengar

@DrMaul, they also have some South Asian. They are older than Turkics, maybe because of that? This samples look unmixed and seem to be just another children of the steppe.

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[Dr_Maul]

@DrMaul, they also have some South Asian. They are older than Turkics, maybe because of that? This samples look unmixed and seem to be just another children of the steppe.

TBH I don't think Botai can really be attributed to any modern linguistic group, considering it is also predating Yamnaya

[Kyp]

Iranian from Razavi-Khorasan:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5d/Razavi_Khorasan_in_Iran.svg/1200px-Razavi_Khorasan_in_Iran.svg.png

Gedrosian: 26.40
Siberian: 2.69
Northwest_African: 0.88
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 5.07
North_European: 9.83
South_Asian: 4.81
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 10.95
East_Asian: 4.68
Caucasian: 34.61
Sub_Saharan: 0.08

Distance to: Razavi_Khorasan
4.84012397 Iran_Khorasan
6.10478501 Iran_Central
6.57560644 Iranian_Fars
7.02479893 Iran_C_East
7.82733032 Azerbaijani_Iran
8.38143186 Azerbaijani
8.53269594 Yazidi
8.69619457 Iranian
8.90836124 Azerbaijani_Northwest
8.93473559 Azerbaijani_Karabakh
9.05430284 Talysh_Azerbaijan
9.13436369 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
9.19631992 Kurd_Kurmanji
9.27832420 Kurd_Adygea
9.41834380 Kurd_Sorani
9.50842784 Azerbaijani_North
9.58945775 Lur_Iran
9.76070694 Azerbaijani_Turkey
10.30681328 Iraq_Turkmen
10.68391782 Zaza
10.72655117 Turkmen_TM
11.18479325 Iran_Mazandaran
11.55554845 Turk_Southeast
13.65330363 Turk_South
14.11250155 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan

Target: Razavi_Khorasan
Distance: 1.4105% / 1.41052672 | ADC: 0.25x RC
27.6 Iranian_Fars
21.5 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
19.2 Iran_Mazandaran
17.7 Turkmen_Iran
12.5 Iran_Khorasan
1.5 Japanese

[Kyp]

Another Iranian (probably Khorasan too):
https://i.imgur.com/oS0yZzQ.jpg

Gedrosian: 24.41
Siberian: 3.28
Northwest_African: 1.20
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 5.76
North_European: 10.86
South_Asian: 6.72
East_African: 1.28
Southwest_Asian: 10.61
East_Asian: 2.20
Caucasian: 33.41
Sub_Saharan: 0.28

Distance to: Haleh
4.60635431 Iran_Khorasan
6.71583949 Iran_Central
6.92542417 Iran_C_East
7.21686220 Iranian_Fars
8.47236685 Azerbaijani_Iran
8.67498127 Azerbaijani
9.51131432 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
9.57695150 Yazidi
9.69861846 Azerbaijani_Northwest
9.95180386 Kurd_Kurmanji
9.98264995 Kurd_Sorani
10.03548205 Azerbaijani_North
10.16606610 Azerbaijani_Turkey
10.45902003 Iraq_Turkmen
10.48535646 Talysh_Azerbaijan
10.48939464 Turkmen_TM
10.53000950 Iranian
10.55429770 Kurd_Adygea
11.11207451 Lur_Iran
11.21842235 Turk_Southeast
11.64927466 Zaza
13.03993098 Turk_South
13.21163502 Iran_Mazandaran
13.72869258 Parsi_India
14.14250685 Turk_Central_East

Target: Haleh
Distance: 2.5935% / 2.59350038 | ADC: 0.5x RC
75.1 Iran_Khorasan
16.8 Turk_South
8.1 Kumyk



Another one:

Gedrosian: 25.97
Siberian: 3.12
Northwest_African: 0.00
Southeast_Asian: 0.12
Atlantic_Med: 7.27
North_European: 8.58
South_Asian: 5.89
East_African: 0.89
Southwest_Asian: 13.19
East_Asian: 3.19
Caucasian: 31.63
Sub_Saharan: 0.15

Distance to: Taghavi
4.55934206 Iran_Khorasan
5.67735854 Iranian_Fars
5.83271806 Iran_C_East
6.39324644 Iran_Central
8.86986471 Yazidi
9.20116840 Azerbaijani_Iran
9.25439355 Kurd_Sorani
9.43753146 Azerbaijani
9.73114587 Iraq_Turkmen
9.84883242 Kurd_Kurmanji
9.99890494 Lur_Iran
10.09834145 Azerbaijani_Northwest
10.37520120 Iranian
10.49884279 Kurd_Adygea
11.02461337 Turkmen_TM
11.24380718 Azerbaijani_Turkey
11.26231770 Talysh_Azerbaijan
11.48824182 Turk_Southeast
11.91066329 Zaza
12.21239534 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
12.27874586 Azerbaijani_North
12.81110066 Parsi_India
13.27218897 Iran_Mazandaran
13.86821185 Iraqi_Baghdad
14.03147533 Tajik_Herat

Target: Taghavi
Distance: 1.6710% / 1.67099385 | ADC: 0.5x RC
60.1 Iran_Khorasan
14.1 Iranian_Fars
14.1 Iraqi_Arab
8.9 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
2.8 Turk_Southeast

[Kyp]

Another one:

Gedrosian: 25.97
Siberian: 3.12
Northwest_African: 0.00
Southeast_Asian: 0.12
Atlantic_Med: 7.27
North_European: 8.58
South_Asian: 5.89
East_African: 0.89
Southwest_Asian: 13.19
East_Asian: 3.19
Caucasian: 31.63
Sub_Saharan: 0.15

Distance to: Taghavi
4.55934206 Iran_Khorasan
5.67735854 Iranian_Fars
5.83271806 Iran_C_East
6.39324644 Iran_Central
8.86986471 Yazidi
9.20116840 Azerbaijani_Iran
9.25439355 Kurd_Sorani
9.43753146 Azerbaijani
9.73114587 Iraq_Turkmen
9.84883242 Kurd_Kurmanji
9.99890494 Lur_Iran
10.09834145 Azerbaijani_Northwest
10.37520120 Iranian
10.49884279 Kurd_Adygea
11.02461337 Turkmen_TM
11.24380718 Azerbaijani_Turkey
11.26231770 Talysh_Azerbaijan
11.48824182 Turk_Southeast
11.91066329 Zaza
12.21239534 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
12.27874586 Azerbaijani_North
12.81110066 Parsi_India
13.27218897 Iran_Mazandaran
13.86821185 Iraqi_Baghdad
14.03147533 Tajik_Herat

Target: Taghavi
Distance: 1.6710% / 1.67099385 | ADC: 0.5x RC
60.1 Iran_Khorasan
14.1 Iranian_Fars
14.1 Iraqi_Arab
8.9 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
2.8 Turk_Southeast

His wife (also from Iran, could be partly Hazara):

Gedrosian: 24.41
Siberian: 7.35
Northwest_African: 0.00
Southeast_Asian: 1.15
Atlantic_Med: 6.18
North_European: 6.70
South_Asian: 7.91
East_African: 0.72
Southwest_Asian: 7.90
East_Asian: 12.15
Caucasian: 25.02
Sub_Saharan: 0.79


Distance to: Mahnaz
7.58955862 Turkmen_TM
8.05659978 Turkmen_Iran
11.63734076 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
12.73463780 Tajik_Herat
14.03572228 Iran_Khorasan
14.26157425 Tajik_Mountain
16.34640022 Tajik_Lowland
17.18587501 Iran_C_East
17.54550655 Azerbaijani_Northwest
17.59687472 Uzbek
17.63470726 Iranian_Fars
17.83942824 Parsi_India
18.60080375 Iran_Central
18.67986884 Azerbaijani
18.97238783 Tajik_Kabul
19.01884855 Azerbaijani_Iran
19.45030591 Turk_South
19.62239537 Iran_Bandari
19.71737051 Turk_Southwest
19.73823954 Uzbeki
19.88006539 Turk_Southeast
19.90368056 Azerbaijani_Turkey
20.22294983 Turkmen_Afghanistan
20.44508988 Yagnobi
20.47693092 Turk_Northwest

Target: Mahnaz
Distance: 1.4534% / 1.45337639 | ADC: 0.25x RC
31.3 Hazara
25.9 Lur_Iran
22.8 Parsi_India
15.1 Turkmen_TM
3.3 Sardinian
1.6 Japanese

[Leto]

His wife (also from Iran, could be partly Hazara):

Gedrosian: 24.41
Siberian: 7.35
Northwest_African: 0.00
Southeast_Asian: 1.15
Atlantic_Med: 6.18
North_European: 6.70
South_Asian: 7.91
East_African: 0.72
Southwest_Asian: 7.90
East_Asian: 12.15
Caucasian: 25.02
Sub_Saharan: 0.79

Quite a lot of East Eurasian, 20%. Definitely not Persian.

[Mejgusu]

TBH I don't think Botai can really be attributed to any modern linguistic group, considering it is also predating Yamnaya

Yeah i know. There is actually a discussion about their identity, without any linguistic evidence i only would say they were more Ugric-like regarding genetics. Maybe they were even something else which didn’t left any linguistical leftover.

[Zanzibar]

Yeah i know. There is actually a discussion about their identity, without any linguistic evidence i only would say they were more Ugric-like regarding genetics. Maybe they were even something else which didn’t left any linguistical leftover.

I heard that they belong to a group called West Siberian Hunter Gatherers/WSHG which is a mix of ANE+EHG+East Asian. Here are the closest modern pops to them.

Distance to: KAZ_Botai
0.18326932 Tlingit
0.18566524 Udmurt
0.19128163 Saami
0.19873387 Besermyan
0.20088058 Mansi
0.20293442 Tatar_Siberian_Zabolotniye
0.20456979 Khanty
0.20768231 Bashkir
0.21352932 Ket
0.21400819 Mari
0.21770470 Tatar_Siberian
0.21835241 Saami_Kola
0.21908207 Chuvash
0.22400652 Komi
0.22582419 Greenlander_West
0.23080867 Tatar_Kazan
0.24263002 Tatar_Lipka
0.24499823 Shor_Mountain
0.24506144 Yukagir_Forest
0.24523981 Tubalar
0.24662247 Shor_Khakassia
0.24760396 Uzbek
0.24837333 Tajik_Shugnan
0.24935293 Tajik_Ishkashim
0.25007105 Tatar_Mishar

[Kyp]

Iranian from Alborz & Teheran:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/59/IranAlborz-SVG.svg/250px-IranAlborz-SVG.svg.png

Gedrosian: 21.72
Siberian: 1.03
Northwest_African: 0.27
Southeast_Asian: 0.85
Atlantic_Med: 7.77
North_European: 10.02
South_Asian: 3.24
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 12.50
East_Asian: 2.47
Caucasian: 39.52
Sub_Saharan: 0.00

Distance to: Alborz
2.35972456 Azerbaijani_Karabakh
2.83256068 Azerbaijani_Iran
2.94222705 Azerbaijani
3.73902394 Azerbaijani_Turkey
4.50467535 Azerbaijani_North
4.79199332 Kurd_Kurmanji
5.13554281 Zaza
5.48133195 Azerbaijani_Northwest
5.72016608 Talysh_Azerbaijan
5.95273047 Kurd_Adygea
6.00033332 Turk_Southeast
6.34747981 Kurd_Sorani
6.36789604 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
6.41739823 Yazidi
6.62206161 Iraq_Turkmen
7.56713288 Iran_Central
7.72592389 Udi_Azerbaijan
8.45266230 Turk_Central_East
8.53970725 Turk_East
8.77011402 Iranian
9.14376290 Lur_Iran
9.34708511 Turk_South
9.45466551 Iranian_Fars
10.25505729 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
10.48954718 Turk_Central_West

Target: Alborz
Distance: 1.5640% / 1.56395258 | ADC: 0.5x RC
47.1 Azerbaijani
25.0 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
21.5 Kurd_Sorani
6.4 Zaza


His relative:


Gedrosian: 23.84
Siberian: 0.00
Northwest_African: 0.00
Southeast_Asian: 0.11
Atlantic_Med: 6.56
North_European: 10.64
South_Asian: 4.59
East_African: 0.56
Southwest_Asian: 13.33
East_Asian: 2.56
Caucasian: 37.62
Sub_Saharan: 0.15


Distance to: Alborz2
5.27231448 Azerbaijani_Iran
5.30005660 Azerbaijani_Karabakh
5.39140056 Iran_Central
5.59440792 Azerbaijani
5.77691094 Kurd_Kurmanji
5.88805571 Kurd_Sorani
6.15877423 Yazidi
6.29986508 Kurd_Adygea
6.40983619 Talysh_Azerbaijan
6.57952886 Azerbaijani_North
6.85887017 Zaza
7.02906822 Iranian_Fars
7.08450422 Azerbaijani_Turkey
7.13030154 Iraq_Turkmen
7.38696149 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
7.77436171 Azerbaijani_Northwest
8.07514706 Iranian
8.35545929 Lur_Iran
8.44763872 Iran_Khorasan
8.56439724 Turk_Southeast
8.85382403 Iran_C_East
10.54996682 Udi_Azerbaijan
11.70751041 Turk_Central_East
11.91434849 Iraqi_Baghdad
11.95181995 Iran_Mazandaran

Target: Alborz2
Distance: 2.1370% / 2.13702257 | ADC: 0.25x
35.8 Azerbaijani_North
33.5 Kurd_Sorani
17.0 Iran_Khorasan
12.0 Iran_Central
0.9 Latvian
0.4 Kuwait2
0.3 Pulliyar
0.1 Japanese

[Leto]

That's some elevated European right there.

[Sterling Archer]

Georgian
Caucasus 59.49 Pct
Sub_Saharan 1.13 Pct


I missed this earlier, but has this ever been observed? Full 1.1% sub Saharan Africa. Surprise to be sure, but a welcome one.

On an unrelated note, I find it funny that Georgia, a nation of little over 3 mln. of which 500K are not Georgians, has more averages than Iran ))
And some of these averages are virtually identical, like Georgian and Gurian, and differences can be due to sampling.

[Sterling Archer]

Do these people identify as Azerbaijani? The results seem to suggest that they are full on Azeri, what with high NE and EA.

[Leto]

I missed this earlier, but has this ever been observed? Full 1.1% sub Saharan Africa. Surprise to be sure, but a welcome one.
Nothing spectacular to point out. That's just noise, not real black ancestry.


On an unrelated note, I find it funny that Georgia, a nation of little over 3 mln. of which 500K are not Georgians, has more averages than Iran ))
And some of these averages are virtually identical, like Georgian and Gurian, and differences can be due to sampling.
Only 2-3 of them have a more or less decent sample size. Gurian and Adjarian are based merely on 2-3 samples. I tried to have them removed but Lukasz refused to do it. I don't know why the guy even cares about it, in fact he should be very thankful to me for updating the spreadsheet to begin with. At one point he wanted to give me access to the code, so that I could edit it myself but later on he did an about-face and basically pretended he'd never said that. Go figure.

[Kyp]

Do these people identify as Azerbaijani? The results seem to suggest that they are full on Azeri, what with high NE and EA.

No. Normal Persian. I think the first one might have some azeri ancestry but the second one doesn't. He's just between Central Iran and Iranian Azerbaijanis genetically which would fit Alborz region.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5e/Linguistic_Map_of_Alborz_Province.png/300px-Linguistic_Map_of_Alborz_Province.png

[Sterling Archer]

Nothing spectacular to point. That's just noise, not real black ancestry.
Really? 1.1% is just noise? If it was 0.5 or something I wouldn't bat an eye, but this seemed more substantial.


Only 2-3 of them have a more or less decent sample size. Gurian and Adjarian are based merely on 2-3 samples. I tried to have them removed but Lukasz refused to do it. I don't know why the guy even cares about it, in fact he should be very thankful to me for updating the spreadsheet to begin with. At one point he wanted to give me access to the code, so that I could edit it myself but later on he did an about-face and basically pretended he'd never said that. Go figure.
I see. That is ridiculous. Only Adjara and Turkey are substantially different from the rest, which can be assigned Gerogian_SW or something.
The rest can be grouped together into one Georgian sample, at least that is how I see it at the moment. This is a tiny country, no need for so many averages.

How do you change averages in the spreadsheet? I noticed that Azerbaijani average was amended. Is it like in Wikipedia? )) Or are there approved list of users who can change it?

[Leto]

Concerning the Georgians:
Svan - 9 samples
Mingrelian - 8 samples
Imereti - 5 samples
Gurian - 3 samples
Adjara - 2 samples

'Georgian' is mine, it's based on 30 samples or more, a mixed bag, just a bunch of kits I found and deemed Georgian. Possibly a few mixed individuals snuck in too.
'Georgian_Turkey' was added by someone else, I don't know its origin and why an assimilated community should have its own average.

[Leto]

I see. That is ridiculous. Only Adjara and Turkey are substantially different from the rest, which can be assigned Gerogian_SW or something.
The rest can be grouped together into one Georgian sample, at least that is how I see it at the moment. This is a tiny country, no need for so many averages.

I don't have the individual samples and averaging averages will yield a distorted result. But Georgians do have some differences, in fact Svans and Mingrelians speak or used to speak separate languages.

[Sterling Archer]

No. Normal Persian. I think the first one might have some azeri ancestry but the second one doesn't. He's just between Central Iran and Iranian Azerbaijanis genetically which would fit Alborz region.

The first one fits so perfectly well with Azerbaijanis though, so I wonder if it is a matter of a very recent ancestor.
Probably assimilation has been going for ages, and now is the final result.

Don't know how realiable, but Wiki says this about the Alborz's capital Karaj:
The majority of the residents of Karaj are Persian-speaking people, with Azerbaijanis making up the second major ethno-linguistic group of the city
Ethnic groups of Karaj (Pars advanced research scholars)
Ethnic groups Percent
Persians 53%
Azerbaijanis 30%
Kurds 7.2%
Gilak and Tabari 5%
Lurs 4.1%

So, probably assimilation is in full force.

[Sterling Archer]

I don't have the individual samples and averaging averages will yield a distorted result. But Georgians do have some differences, in fact Svans and Mingrelians speak or used to speak separate languages.

Of course, averaging averages is stupid and simply wrong. I thought you could see full list of samples, hence my suggestion
Svans are like 15K - 30K in Georgia, ridiculously low number. I think they have assimilated into the general populace already, but I guess there can be some division within the country.

How do you add and change these averages? Can anyone see this spreadsheet? I am most interested for Azerbaijanis.

[Kyp]

The first one fits so perfectly well with Azerbaijanis though, so I wonder if it is a matter of a very recent ancestor.
Probably assimilation has been going for ages, and now is the final result.

Don't know how realiable, but Wiki says this about the Alborz's capital Karaj:
The majority of the residents of Karaj are Persian-speaking people, with Azerbaijanis making up the second major ethno-linguistic group of the city
Ethnic groups of Karaj (Pars advanced research scholars)
Ethnic groups Percent
Persians 53%
Azerbaijanis 30%
Kurds 7.2%
Gilak and Tabari 5%
Lurs 4.1%

So, probably assimilation is in full force.

Yes Azerbaijanis from Teheran, Alborz and Qazvin are by large parts fully persian speaking since this generation.

[Sterling Archer]

Concerning the Georgians:
Svan - 9 samples
Mingrelian - 8 samples
Imereti - 5 samples
Gurian - 3 samples
Adjara - 2 samples

'Georgian' is mine, it's based on 30 samples or more, a mixed bag, just a bunch of kits I found and deemed Georgian. Possibly a few mixed individuals snuck in too.
'Georgian_Turkey' was added by someone else, I don't know its origin and why an assimilated community should have its own average.

Okay, these are seriously low numbers and do not warrant a separate averages imho.
Yeah, I remember some of the Georgian samples you posted here. Some did not look very Georgian tbh(few were closer to Ingush, Chechen and Ossetia if I remember).

[Leto]

Of course, averaging averages is stupid and simply wrong. I thought you could see full list of samples, hence my suggestion
Svans are like 15K - 30K in Georgia, ridiculously low number. I think they have assimilated into the general populace already, but I guess there can be some division within the country.

How do you add and change these averages? Can anyone see this spreadsheet? I am most interested for Azerbaijanis.
They are not 15,000. An entire province is called Svaneti. I don't have a better average for them and I'm not Georgian myself, so we will have to make do with what we have for now.

Lukasz/Lucas has control over the website. To have something added or deleted you need to ask him directly.

[Sterling Archer]

They are not 15,000. An entire province is called Svaneti. I don't have better average for them and I'm not Georgian myself, so we will have to make do with what we have for now.

I see, so those are not only Svans. I don't have an issue with that ))
For reference, the population of Svaneti region is 23K. Mingrelia is bigger though.

[Leto]

Okay, these are seriously low numbers and do not warrant a separate averages imho.
Yeah, I remember some of the Georgian samples you posted here. Some did not look very Georgian tbh(few were closer to Ingush, Chechen and Ossetia if I remember).
Those were found much later and aren't part of the average. IMO there should be a general Georgian average and a few highlander pops. Imereti (Western) and Kakheti (Eastern, currently absent) would be good as well. That's all I have to say about the issue.

Any actual Georgian reading this is more than welcome to take on this task!

[Leto]

I guess an Azerbaijani. You guys may know this kit

Gedrosia 23.17 Pct
Siberian 2.43 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.06 Pct
Atlantic_Med 8.21 Pct
North_European 7.35 Pct
South_Asian 1.03 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 11.79 Pct
East_Asian 1.64 Pct
Caucasus 42.91 Pct
Sub_Saharan 1.39 Pct

Distance to: Samir
3.40900279 Zaza
4.34605568 Talysh_Azerbaijan
4.82488342 Kurd_Kurmanji
5.04572096 Azerbaijani_Iran
5.04678115 Udi_Azerbaijan
5.05634255 Azerbaijani_Turkey
5.12135724 Kurd_Adygea
6.20588430 Azerbaijani
6.59047039 Turk_East
6.62458301 Yazidi

Target: Samir
Distance: 1.2637% / 1.26366463 | ADC: 0.25x RC
76.5 Zaza
11.4 Georgian_Adjara
8.2 Ingush
1.7 Yakut
1.2 Yoruba
1.0 Talysh_Azerbaijan

Target: Samir
Distance: 2.3564% / 2.35639825 | ADC: 0.5x RC
33.3 Talysh_Azerbaijan
28.3 Udi_Azerbaijan
27.1 Azerbaijani_Turkey
11.3 Zaza

[Sterling Archer]

I guess an Azerbaijani. You guys may know this kit

Gedrosia 23.17 Pct
Siberian 2.43 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.06 Pct
Atlantic_Med 8.21 Pct
North_European 7.35 Pct
South_Asian 1.03 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 11.79 Pct
East_Asian 1.64 Pct
Caucasus 42.91 Pct
Sub_Saharan 1.39 Pct

Distance to: Samir
3.40900279 Zaza
4.34605568 Talysh_Azerbaijan
4.82488342 Kurd_Kurmanji
5.04572096 Azerbaijani_Iran
5.04678115 Udi_Azerbaijan

I think this was posted here earlier. Most likely, this is Kurd, not Azerbaijani. Especially seeing as he is not close to Azeris.
Probably a Karabakh Kurd from Kalbajar, Lachin etc.

[Kyp]

Btw guys how is this possible?

My results:
Gedrosian: 13.18
Siberian: 2.49
Northwest_African: 0.53
Southeast_Asian: 0.01
Atlantic_Med: 20.55
North_European: 29.48
South_Asian 2.28
East_African 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 4.50
East_Asian: 1.49
Caucasian: 25.48
Sub_Saharan: 0.00

Trace ancestry 23andme:
https://i.imgur.com/pgoI2uQ.png

and nothing Mongoloid .


smfh..
Did they troll me?

[Leto]

Btw guys how is this possible?

My results:
Gedrosian: 13.18
Siberian: 2.49
Northwest_African: 0.53
Southeast_Asian: 0.01
Atlantic_Med: 20.55
North_European: 29.48
South_Asian 2.28
East_African 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 4.50
East_Asian: 1.49
Caucasian: 25.48
Sub_Saharan: 0.00

Trace ancestry 23andme:
https://i.imgur.com/pgoI2uQ.png

and nothing Mongoloid .


smfh..
Did they troll me?
Dat's just noize, bro ;)
I would stick to the MH data.

[Mejgusu]

I guess an Azerbaijani. You guys may know this kit

Gedrosia 23.17 Pct
Siberian 2.43 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.06 Pct
Atlantic_Med 8.21 Pct
North_European 7.35 Pct
South_Asian 1.03 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 11.79 Pct
East_Asian 1.64 Pct
Caucasus 42.91 Pct
Sub_Saharan 1.39 Pct

Probably a Zaza/Alevi Kurd with some Turkish ancestry. That amount of east eurasian is definitely not possible for Kurd if you are not mixed. Or it is Azerbaijani-Iranic mix.

[Sterling Archer]

Btw guys how is this possible?

Trace ancestry 23andme:
https://i.imgur.com/pgoI2uQ.png

and nothing Mongoloid .


smfh..
Did they troll me?

Probably, just an error. It is not even North East Africa )))
Aren't these websites basically dogshit when it comes to narrowing down the geography? I assumed most people used them to obtain raw data in order to upload to Gedmatch.

[Kyp]

Probably, just an error. It is not even North East Africa )))
Aren't these websites basically dogshit when it comes to narrowing down the geography? I assumed most people used them to obtain raw data in order to upload to Gedmatch.

Only the tiniest of minorites upload to Gedmatch bro

[Leto]

Only the tiniest of minorites upload to Gedmatch bro
A lot of Gedmatch uploaders, at least a great deal of Russian website users which I've personally had to deal with, use it for genealogy purposes. They don't care much about the calculators. When I start talking about admixture they show a near total lack of interest. I don't know why, the main thing of DNA tests is the ancestry breakdown. And yet the very same people would share the multiculti bullshit propaganda of the likes of Momondo (you probably know that old notorious video).

[Sterling Archer]

Only the tiniest of minorites upload to Gedmatch bro

Theatricality & deception. Powerful agents to the uninitiated; but we are initiated aren't we, Kyp :)
Seriously though, the results from those websites can be highly arbitrary, and most people don't even know that. They take what they receive at face value.
Some guy from Caucasus who gets certain percentage of Italian really thinks that he has Italian ancestry, and not that algorithm tries to assign a region to Atlantic admixture.

[Sterling Archer]

Probably a Zaza/Alevi Kurd with some Turkish ancestry. That amount of east eurasian is definitely not possible for Kurd if you are not mixed. Or it is Azerbaijani-Iranic mix.

Yeah, probably Turkish and Iranian mix:
Distance to: Samir
2.30758761 46.00% Iranian + 54.00% Turk_East
2.49077131 13.60% Ossetian + 86.40% Zaza
2.52023375 63.20% Talysh_Azerbaijan + 36.80% Turk_East
2.52712819 12.80% Ossetian_South + 87.20% Zaza
2.55565224 13.00% Circassian + 87.00% Zaza
2.55912371 13.00% Karachay + 87.00% Zaza
2.58595391 12.80% Abazin + 87.20% Zaza
2.60629411 13.80% Adyghe + 86.20% Zaza
2.63550353 11.80% Balkar + 88.20% Zaza
2.66366845 17.40% Georgian_Svan + 82.60% Kurd_Kurmanji
2.68433678 19.80% Abkhazian + 80.20% Kurd_Kurmanji
2.70798568 7.40% Nogai + 92.60% Zaza
2.71517506 16.40% Georgian_Mingrelian + 83.60% Kurd_Kurmanji
2.71846369 11.20% Abkhazian + 88.80% Zaza
2.71998333 22.40% Georgian + 77.60% Kurd_Kurmanji
2.73328484 13.00% Ingush + 87.00% Zaza
2.73863695 32.60% Iran_Mazandaran + 67.40% Turk_East
2.75730665 11.40% Kabardin + 88.60% Zaza
2.76358618 9.40% Georgian_Svan + 90.60% Zaza
2.77685700 17.80% Georgian_Gurian + 82.20% Kurd_Kurmanji
2.79708492 74.00% Kurd_Kurmanji + 26.00% Turk_Ahiska
2.80661190 17.80% Georgian_Imereti + 82.20% Kurd_Kurmanji
2.80784330 80.00% Azerbaijani_Iran + 20.00% Georgian_Turkey
2.81867274 80.00% Azerbaijani_Iran + 20.00% Georgian_Adjara
2.82998460 16.60% Greek_Cappadocia + 83.40% Talysh_Azerbaijan

[Kyp]

Azerbaijani from Ağdaş:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4a/Agdash_in_Azerbaijan.svg

Gedrosian: 22.37
Siberian: 1.09
Northwest_African: 0.51
Southeast_Asian: 1.44
Atlantic_Med: 10.93
North_European: 6.84
South_Asian: 2.31
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 11.31
East_Asian: 3.73
Caucasian: 38.11
Sub_Saharan: 0.96

Distance to: Aghdash_Azerbaijani
3.95187297 Azerbaijani_Iran
3.98087930 Azerbaijani
4.06338529 Azerbaijani_Northwest
4.41334340 Azerbaijani_Turkey
4.51749931 Azerbaijani_Ardabil_Moghan
4.62347272 Azerbaijani_Karabakh
5.58833607 Kurd_Kurmanji
5.79353951 Turk_Southeast
6.32356703 Zaza
6.35278679 Yazidi
6.93777342 Kurd_Adygea
7.32869702 Iraq_Turkmen
7.43764748 Kurd_Sorani
7.49898660 Talysh_Azerbaijan
8.17962102 Turk_Central_East
8.27334273 Azerbaijani_North
8.49565771 Iran_Central
9.07860672 Turk_South
9.23264318 Lur_Iran
9.30649236 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
9.33277558 Turk_East
9.35612099 Udi_Azerbaijan
9.56336761 Iranian
9.83908024 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
9.86395458 Iranian_Fars

Target: Aghdash_Azerbaijani
Distance: 2.3142% / 2.31422519 | ADC: 0.5x RC
44.8 Azerbaijani_Northwest
39.1 Yazidi
12.8 Azerbaijani_Turkey
3.3 Sardinian

[RatCat]

Theatricality & deception. Powerful agents to the uninitiated; but we are initiated aren't we, Kyp :)
Seriously though, the results from those websites can be highly arbitrary, and most people don't even know that. They take what they receive at face value.
Some guy from Caucasus who gets certain percentage of Italian really thinks that he has Italian ancestry, and not that algorithm tries to assign a region to Atlantic admixture.
Ahahaah that would be me if i haven't found this website, i get %15 Italian on Myheritage.

[Mejgusu]

If it was already posted, then sorry but here a Kipchak sample:

Kipchak

Gedrosia: 16.71
Siberian: 6.84
NW-Africa: 0.18
SE-Asia: 2.6
Atl_Med: 7.83
North European: 18.05
South Asian: 4.5
East African: 0
SW-Asia: 8.81
East Asia: 15.96
Caucasus: 18.2
SSA: 0.32

Distance to: Kipchak
9.52152299 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
9.81678664 Uzbek
12.58873703 Turkmen_Iran
13.08225516 Uzbeki
13.88420686 Turkmen_Afghanistan
13.92337244 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe
15.39499269 Tajik_Mountain
16.64023738 Turkmen_TM
18.00534643 Tajik_Lowland
19.61094847 Lipka_Tatar
20.61642064 Uyghur
20.76708453 Turk_Northwest
21.27624732 Nogai_Stavropol
21.35359455 Nogai
21.40982251 Tajik_Herat
21.57647793 Yagnobi
22.03596606 Turk_Southwest
22.83238709 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
22.83744513 Karakalpak
22.87262556 Pamiri_Shughnan
23.15320712 Hazara
23.18184635 Pamiri_Rushan
24.24248750 Turk_Trakya
24.24707405 Turk_West_BlackSea
24.30229825 Turk_South

Target: Kipchak
Distance: 4.3503% / 4.35026590 | ADC: 0.5x RC
60.3 Uzbek
10.3 Tajik_Mountain
9.9 Saudi
9.8 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe
9.7 Turk_Deliorman

[Dr_Maul]

If it was already posted, then sorry but here a Kipchak sample:

Kipchak

Gedrosia: 16.71
Siberian: 6.84
NW-Africa: 0.18
SE-Asia: 2.6
Atl_Med: 7.83
North European: 18.05
South Asian: 4.5
East African: 0
SW-Asia: 8.81
East Asia: 15.96
Caucasus: 18.2
SSA: 0.32


Interesting ratios. People always claim that those old Turks were barely East Asian and mostly Siberian. Well here he has more than double East Asian. This is DA179 right? He has an interesting Y-DNA https://www.yfull.com/tree/G-Y18370*/

[RatCat]

Interesting ratios. People always claim that those old Turks were barely East Asian and mostly Siberian. Well here he has more than double East Asian. This is DA179 right? He has an interesting Y-DNA https://www.yfull.com/tree/G-Y18370*/

Look at this coincidence ahaha that's an subgroup under my Y-DNA clade, but my spesific clade is probably the most frequent among Adyghe people. https://www.yfull.com/tree/G-L1266/

[Dr_Maul]

Look at this coincidence ahaha that's an subgroup under my Y-DNA clade, but my spesific clade is probably the most frequent among Adyghe people. https://www.yfull.com/tree/G-L1266/
I wonder if assimilation occurred here?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kipchaks_in_Georgia
Or an older incursion of CHG related

I tried to model but with no real success lol

Target: KAZ_Kipchak:DA179
Distance: 5.7908% / 0.05790785
47.0 KAZ_KipchakDA23
20.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_Historic
17.0 RUS_Alan_MA
15.6 AZE_Caucasus_lowlands_LN

[Altaylı]

Probably DA179 is mixed half Turkic half something
But i am not sure

[RatCat]

I wonder if assimilation occurred here?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kipchaks_in_Georgia
Or an older incursion of CHG related

I tried to model but with no real success lol

Target: KAZ_Kipchak:DA179
Distance: 5.7908% / 0.05790785
47.0 KAZ_KipchakDA23
20.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_Historic
17.0 RUS_Alan_MA
15.6 AZE_Caucasus_lowlands_LN

There are assimilated Nogay tribes among Circassians (most of them are from eastern regions) for example Yeseney, Kandavur, Kılıç, Navruz, Yeştrek, Canhot, Canbek, Nayman, Tsey, Şorokada, Tamaz, Altıyak, Karamırza, Negoy tribes are Nogay origin Circassian tribes from Kabardin and Eastern Circassian regions. There are some in West circassia too but much less.

A Circassian commander named Sultan Kilij Giray was Tatar-Nogay origin from one of these tribes.


And if we compare western Circassians(Adyghe) and Eastern Circassians we can see Eastern ones have additional Turkic like admixture. These people are supposed to be the same people.

Target: Circassian
Distance: 0.9157% / 0.91570279 | R2P
82.0 Adyghe
18.0 Nogai


Target: Kabardin
Distance: 0.9242% / 0.92416284 | R2P
84.0 Adyghe
16.0 Lipka_Tatar


Eastern Circassians and Kabardins are not that different from their neighbours Karachay and Balkars

Target: Balkar
Distance: 1.6552% / 1.65517117 | R2P
78.0 Adyghe
22.0 Nogai


Target: Karachay
Distance: 0.9094% / 0.90943282 | R2P
82.9 Adyghe
17.1 Nogai


So i think before Kipchaks came to the region they were all Adyghe like people, then they mixed with kipchaks and some of them got assimilated(karachay-balkar) some are not (kabardin, eastern circassians). But i doubt that haplogroup G came from steppe, It's very common among all Caucasians that dont have any steppe admixture.

[RatCat]

....

Addition to this we can model Adyghe and even Chechens under distance 2 with Georgian(Caucasian proxy) + Sarmatian. But if we try the same thing on Eastern Circassians and Kabardin distance gets bigger until we add KAZ_Kipchak

Target: Chechen
Distance: 1.9001% / 0.01900121
65.4 Georgian_Imer
34.6 Sarmatian_RUS_Urals


Target: Adygei
Distance: 1.7781% / 0.01778135
72.6 Georgian_Imer
27.4 Sarmatian_RUS_Urals


Eastern Circassians


Target: Circassian
Distance: 2.5829% / 0.02582949
64.6 Georgian_Imer
35.4 Sarmatian_RUS_Urals



Target: Kabardin
Distance: 2.7575% / 0.02757484
62.8 Georgian_Imer
37.2 Sarmatian_RUS_Urals


Distance get bigger, and if we add KAZ_Kpichak than it's on the same level with Chechen and Adyghe models


Target: Kabardin
Distance: 1.4610% / 0.01460968
64.6 Georgian_Imer
23.4 Sarmatian_RUS_Urals
12.0 KAZ_Kipchak


Target: Circassian
Distance: 1.4622% / 0.01462212
66.2 Georgian_Imer
23.0 Sarmatian_RUS_Urals
10.8 KAZ_Kipchak


This is what i think.

[Mejgusu]

Interesting ratios. People always claim that those old Turks were barely East Asian and mostly Siberian. Well here he has more than double East Asian. This is DA179 right? He has an interesting Y-DNA https://www.yfull.com/tree/G-Y18370*/

This individual is, although still having a lot of east eurasian, obviously mixed, maybe with a Westasian-Iranic. Look at his components, low Gedrosia and high SW-Asia, which wouldnt exist if he would be mixed with a Central Asian Iranic.

[Dr_Maul]

Interesting Iranian who caught my eye from Y-DNA (N-L708). Despite 5% Asiatic he is closer to Kurds and Persians

Population
Gedrosia 24.92 Pct
Siberian 2.87 Pct
Northwest_African 2.66 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 5.45 Pct
North_European 8.98 Pct
South_Asian 3.55 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 14.33 Pct
East_Asian 2.65 Pct
Caucasus 34.6 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Nima
5.51730913 Iranian_Fars
6.63632428 Yazidi
6.63978162 Kurd_Sorani
6.68028443 Azerbaijani_Iran
7.15386609 Kurd_Kurmanji
7.24626110 Iraq_Turkmen
7.51291555 Azerbaijani
7.59082999 Iran_Khorasan
7.59132400 Kurd_Adygea
8.13324044 Lur_Iran
8.49209633 Talysh_Azerbaijan
8.53438340 Iranian
9.12105257 Zaza
9.16588785 Azerbaijani_Turkey
9.81582396 Turk_Southeast
10.14474741 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
11.67414237 Iraqi_Baghdad
12.21403701 Iran_Mazandaran
12.73017675 Turk_South
13.38434533 Iran_Arab
13.39898504 Turkmen_TM
13.41878161 Turk_Central_East
13.75680559 Udi_Azerbaijan
14.42646180 Turk_Central_West
14.52839289 Turk_Central_Black_Sea

Target: Nima
Distance: 2.1311% / 2.13109489 | R4P
69.0 Kurd_Adygea
19.9 Tajik_Lowland
8.3 Saudi
2.8 Shor

[Leto]

Afghan (a recent kit)

Gedrosia 38.02 Pct
Siberian 3.24 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.45 Pct
Atlantic_Med 2.71 Pct
North_European 16.13 Pct
South_Asian 17.43 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 2.44 Pct
East_Asian 0.07 Pct
Caucasus 19.51 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Elham
3.07865230 Tajik_Panjshir&Kapisa
3.79117396 Pashtun_Kandahar
5.77740426 Pashtun_Tarkalani
5.84321829 Pashtun_Uthmankhel
6.49499808 Kho
7.25276499 Nuristani
7.40403268 Kalash
8.02357152 Pashtun_Yusafzai
8.54735047 Tajik_Kabul
10.37503735 Pamiri_Ishkashim

Target: Elham
Distance: 1.2831% / 1.28306816 | ADC: 0.25x RC
44.9 Tajik_Panjshir&Kapisa
36.3 Nuristani
17.1 Yagnobi
1.7 Dargin

Target: Elham
Distance: 1.8577% / 1.85768064 | ADC: 0.5x RC
73.9 Tajik_Panjshir&Kapisa
14.9 Pamiri_Rushan
11.2 Kalash

Distance to: Elham
2.01918839 14.20% Pamiri_Rushan + 85.80% Tajik_Panjshir&Kapisa
2.02041883 18.80% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 81.20% Kalash
2.10584681 14.20% Pamiri_Shughnan + 85.80% Tajik_Panjshir&Kapisa
2.11346258 3.60% Russian_Arkhangelsk + 96.40% Tajik_Panjshir&Kapisa
2.12329148 3.80% Russian_Ural + 96.20% Tajik_Panjshir&Kapisa
2.12613731 4.00% Komi + 96.00% Tajik_Panjshir&Kapisa
2.13409709 3.60% Russian_Kostroma + 96.40% Tajik_Panjshir&Kapisa
2.13788417 17.80% Azerbaijani + 82.20% Kalash
2.13948731 96.60% Tajik_Panjshir&Kapisa + 3.40% Veps
2.14137505 3.20% Finnish_East + 96.80% Tajik_Panjshir&Kapisa

[Kyp]

Interesting Iranian who caught my eye from Y-DNA (N-L708). Despite 5% Asiatic he is closer to Kurds and Persians

Population
Gedrosia 24.92 Pct
Siberian 2.87 Pct
Northwest_African 2.66 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 5.45 Pct
North_European 8.98 Pct
South_Asian 3.55 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 14.33 Pct
East_Asian 2.65 Pct
Caucasus 34.6 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Nima
5.51730913 Iranian_Fars
6.63632428 Yazidi
6.63978162 Kurd_Sorani
6.68028443 Azerbaijani_Iran
7.15386609 Kurd_Kurmanji
7.24626110 Iraq_Turkmen
7.51291555 Azerbaijani
7.59082999 Iran_Khorasan
7.59132400 Kurd_Adygea
8.13324044 Lur_Iran
8.49209633 Talysh_Azerbaijan
8.53438340 Iranian
9.12105257 Zaza
9.16588785 Azerbaijani_Turkey
9.81582396 Turk_Southeast
10.14474741 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
11.67414237 Iraqi_Baghdad
12.21403701 Iran_Mazandaran
12.73017675 Turk_South
13.38434533 Iran_Arab
13.39898504 Turkmen_TM
13.41878161 Turk_Central_East
13.75680559 Udi_Azerbaijan
14.42646180 Turk_Central_West
14.52839289 Turk_Central_Black_Sea

Target: Nima
Distance: 2.1311% / 2.13109489 | R4P
69.0 Kurd_Adygea
19.9 Tajik_Lowland
8.3 Saudi
2.8 Shor

Maybe Qashqai? Could you pm me his Kitnumber?

[Dr_Maul]

Maybe Qashqai? Could you pm me his Kitnumber?

done

[Kyp]

done

I think just a regular result from Teheran with some Azerbaijani ancestry

[Kyp]

Turk from Samsun:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c9/Samsun_in_Turkey.svg/375px-Samsun_in_Turkey.svg.png

Gedrosia: 16.04
Siberian: 1.79
NW_African: 0.89
SE_Asian: 1.03
Atlantic_Med: 16.15
North_European: 7.68
South_Asia: 0.86
East_African: 0.12
SW_Asian: 12.15
East_Asian: 5.12
Caucasus: 38.02
SSA: 0.26

Distance to: Turk_Samsun
5.17354811 Turk_Central_West
5.40970424 Turk_Central_East
6.53683410 Turk_Southeast
6.70007463 Turk_South
7.00636853 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
7.14566302 Turk_West_BlackSea
7.89927212 Turk_Southwest
8.95872201 Azerbaijani_Turkey
9.04126650 Azerbaijani
10.25346283 Turk_Northwest
10.35684315 Turk_Cyprus
10.42814461 Turk_East
10.47285061 Azerbaijani_Iran
12.16001645 Nusayri_Turkey
12.33141111 Greek_Kos
12.40860186 Kurd_Kurmanji
12.48652474 Greek_Cappadocia
12.55470430 Greek_Rhodes
12.64566329 Zaza
12.66321049 Iraq_Turkmen
12.85175474 Lebanese_Muslim
12.88174289 Udi_Azerbaijan
13.13314128 Greek_Crete
13.27457721 Iraqi_Baghdad
13.84072614 Greek_Cypriot

Target: Turk_Samsun
Distance: 2.8907% / 2.89070625 | ADC: 0.5x RC
46.4 Turk_Southeast
42.3 Turk_Central_East
8.9 Sardinian
2.4 Greek_Cypriot


From Teheran, Iran (I think with Kurdish ancestry, but I'm not sure):

Gedrosia: 23.78
Siberian: 2.39
NW_African: 0.00
SE_Asian: 0.94
Atlantic_Med: 9.47
North_European: 8.36
South_Asia: 3.42
East_African: 0.61
SW_Asian: 13.79
East_Asian: 0.73
Caucasus: 36.41
SSA: 0.10

Distance to: meysam
4.21733328 Kurd_Kurmanji
4.49202627 Yazidi
4.55487651 Azerbaijani_Iran
5.00557689 Kurd_Sorani
5.05072272 Azerbaijani
5.49881805 Iraq_Turkmen
5.62739727 Iran_Central
5.75771656 Kurd_Adygea
6.19589380 Zaza
6.50089225 Azerbaijani_Turkey
6.90333253 Iranian_Fars
6.93602912 Turk_Southeast
7.10736238 Talysh_Azerbaijan
7.47128503 Lur_Iran
7.96028894 Iranian
9.02615090 Iran_C_East
9.14728375 Iran_Khorasan
9.21890449 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
10.18436547 Iraqi_Baghdad
10.49031935 Turk_Central_East
10.75445954 Udi_Azerbaijan
10.79367871 Turk_South
11.45816303 Turk_East
11.79040712 Turk_Central_West
12.29247331 Turk_Central_Black_Sea

Target: meysam
Distance: 1.5528% / 1.55280405 | ADC: 0.5x RC
29.6 Kurd_Kurmanji
21.6 Iran_C_East
17.7 Iraq_Turkmen
15.6 Turk_Southeast
11.5 Yazidi
4.0 French_Northeast

[Sterling Archer]

Azerbaijani:
Gedrosia 22.74 Pct
Siberian 2.38 Pct
Northwest_African 0.85 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 8.2 Pct
North_European 11.73 Pct
South_Asian 1.38 Pct
East_African 0.32 Pct
Southwest_Asian 13.03 Pct
East_Asian 0.25 Pct
Caucasus 39.12 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Az
4.89709097 Azerbaijani_Iran
5.06096829 Azerbaijani
5.28228170 Kurd_Kurmanji
5.74517189 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
5.84171208 Azerbaijani_Turkey
5.87446168 Zaza
6.33344298 Kurd_Adygea
6.81339856 Talysh_Azerbaijan
6.81703015 Yazidi
7.24653020 Kurd_Sorani
7.25882222 Turk_Southeast
7.93037200 Iraq_Turkmen
8.28545714 Udi_Azerbaijan
9.18182988 Iranian
9.51829817 Turk_Central_East
9.59102184 Turk_East
9.92322024 Lur_Iran
10.22180512 Turk_South
10.30847224 Iranian_Fars
11.15384687 Turk_Central_West
11.34828181 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
11.36618230 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
11.77499045 Iran_Khorasan
12.15744628 Iraqi_Baghdad
12.50639836 Kumyk

[Sterling Archer]

Another one:
Gedrosia 20.67 Pct
Siberian 3.4 Pct
Northwest_African 0.77 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 10.31 Pct
North_European 7.55 Pct
South_Asian 2.18 Pct
East_African 0.19 Pct
Southwest_Asian 13.92 Pct
East_Asian 1.51 Pct
Caucasus 39.19 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.31 Pct

Distance to: AZ
3.67734959 Azerbaijani_Iran
3.68757373 Azerbaijani
3.70929913 Turk_Southeast
3.87564188 Azerbaijani_Turkey
4.58300120 Kurd_Kurmanji
5.26627003 Iraq_Turkmen
5.32004699 Zaza
6.47187763 Kurd_Sorani
6.60117414 Yazidi
6.63740160 Kurd_Adygea
6.68327764 Turk_Central_East
7.49613234 Talysh_Azerbaijan
7.56303511 Turk_East
7.87346810 Turk_South
8.16770470 Udi_Azerbaijan
8.79344642 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
8.82492493 Turk_Central_West
8.92318889 Iraqi_Baghdad
9.36042200 Lur_Iran
9.82143574 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
10.00047999 Iranian
10.64002820 Iranian_Fars
11.24097416 Azeri_Jew
11.34555420 Mandean
11.40110521 Turk_West_BlackSea

[Kyp]

Azerbaijani:


I think the Azerbaijani and Azerbaijani_Iran references need an update, Leto is right.

At least the Republic average, which is based on 3-5 results or something.

[Sterling Archer]

I think the Azerbaijani and Azerbaijani_Iran references need an update, Leto is right.

At least the Republic average, which is based on 3-5 results or something.

Didn't know that. Yeah, makes sense to update.
Based on what I have seen so far, I expected this person's first match to be Azerbaijani, not Iranian Azeri.

[Kyp]

Didn't know that. Yeah, makes sense to update.
Based on what I have seen so far, I expected this person's first match to be Azerbaijani, not Iranian Azeri.

Could be because of the high Southwest_Asian. The Iranian reference is build on Azerbaijanis from Tabriz who score higher SW_Asian than Azerbaijanis from Ardabil for example.

Maybe the Iranian reference shouldn't be Tabriz exclusive aswell.

[Sterling Archer]

Could be because of the high Southwest_Asian. The Iranian reference is build on Azerbaijanis from Tabriz who score higher SW_Asian than Azerbaijanis from Ardabil for example.

Maybe the Iranian reference shouldn't be Tabriz exclusive aswell.

Yeah, most probably.
Republic Azerbaijanis score less SW. Especially if NE is higher than say 10, SW gets even lower. Not this time though.

[Sterling Archer]

Azerbaijani name and last name, but probably quarter Russian:
Gedrosia 19.62 Pct
Siberian 1.15 Pct
Northwest_African 1.22 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 11.88 Pct
North_European 20.43 Pct
South_Asian 0.14 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 9.19 Pct
East_Asian 3.26 Pct
Caucasus 33.11 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Hashimov
10.51075164 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
10.52526484 Kumyk
11.22643309 Turk_Northwest
11.30237143 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
11.66443312 Turk_West_BlackSea
12.02933498 Kabardin
12.08218523 Turk_Southwest
12.36112050 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
12.76405500 Turk_Central_West
12.83476529 Lezgin
13.17709756 Turk_South
13.36908748 Tabasaran
13.50727952 Azerbaijani
13.92633836 Kaitag_Dagestan
13.97248009 Chechen
14.03699398 Lak
14.14644478 Turk_Southeast
14.18561595 Abazin
14.21334584 Avar
14.30197189 Turk_Central_East
14.55027148 Ingush
14.66948534 Azerbaijani_Turkey
14.80252006 Balkar
14.87180890 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
14.98032710 Circassian

Distance to: Hashimov
3.17934598 74.40% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 25.60% HUN_Szekely
3.21612587 80.60% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 19.40% German
3.32055239 81.00% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 19.00% German_Northwest
3.32624249 82.00% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 18.00% Swedish
3.35470921 82.00% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 18.00% Danish
3.35530549 28.40% Sorb_Lusatia + 71.60% Talysh_Azerbaijan
3.35870337 78.20% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 21.80% Slovenian
3.38489082 76.60% Azerbaijani_Iran + 23.40% PL_Mazovia
3.39709638 27.20% PL_Warmia-Masuria + 72.80% Talysh_Azerbaijan
3.40565897 79.80% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 20.20% Czech
3.42076326 76.80% Azerbaijani_Iran + 23.20% Russian_Smolensk
3.42502819 76.00% Azerbaijani_Iran + 24.00% Russian_Oryol
3.42591695 30.20% Slovak + 69.80% Talysh_Azerbaijan
3.43709604 80.40% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 19.60% Dutch
3.44197284 77.00% Azerbaijani_Iran + 23.00% PL_Warmia-Masuria
3.44778189 27.60% Polish_mixed + 72.40% Talysh_Azerbaijan
3.45365728 81.80% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 18.20% Icelandic
3.46322708 76.80% Azerbaijani_Iran + 23.20% Belorussian
3.46613609 75.80% Azerbaijani_Iran + 24.20% Sorb_Lusatia
3.47681254 77.40% Azerbaijani_Iran + 22.60% Belarus_Minsk
3.48654316 79.60% Azerbaijani_Iran + 20.40% Lithuanian
3.48691180 76.60% Azerbaijani_Iran + 23.40% Polish_mixed
3.49853143 27.60% Mordovian + 72.40% Zaza
3.50055257 76.00% Azerbaijani_Iran + 24.00% Russian_Kursk
3.50358313 73.20% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 26.80% MD_Center

[Sterling Archer]

Azerbaijani:

Gedrosia 22.59 Pct
Siberian 0.68 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 5.18 Pct
North_European 12.72 Pct
South_Asian 2.1 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 11.43 Pct
East_Asian 1.57 Pct
Caucasus 43.72 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Narmin
5.74665990 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
6.81017621 Talysh_Azerbaijan
6.81560709 Udi_Azerbaijan
7.36920620 Zaza
7.81005122 Azerbaijani_Turkey
7.83026181 Azerbaijani_Iran
8.25261777 Azerbaijani
8.31703072 Kurd_Adygea
8.42896198 Kurd_Kurmanji
8.96131687 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
9.20057607 Turk_East
9.88546913 Ingush
9.98469829 Yazidi
10.11521132 Iranian
10.11676332 Kurd_Sorani
10.16168785 Adyghe
10.83484195 Turk_Southeast
11.02097546 Iraq_Turkmen
11.09746367 Kumyk
11.47187866 Ossetian
11.58668633 Turk_Ahiska
11.63015907 Karachay
11.75951955 Turk_Central_East
11.77513482 Lur_Iran
11.84598244 Circassian

[Sterling Archer]

Azerbaijani name, probably with some mixed ancestry:
Gedrosia 17.58 Pct
Siberian 1.54 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 1.59 Pct
Atlantic_Med 11.37 Pct
North_European 15.98 Pct
South_Asian 2.36 Pct
East_African 0.2 Pct
Southwest_Asian 10.03 Pct
East_Asian 1.66 Pct
Caucasus 37.44 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.26 Pct

Distance to: Jafarova
7.61144533 Turk_West_BlackSea
7.95814049 Turk_Central_West
8.13075027 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
8.44458406 Turk_South
8.46418927 Turk_Central_East
8.57999417 Azerbaijani
8.86314842 Turk_Southeast
9.08964796 Turk_Southwest
9.17138485 Azerbaijani_Turkey
9.64738825 Turk_Northwest
9.69590635 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
9.71332590 Kumyk
9.76741522 Kabardin
10.17462530 Azerbaijani_Iran
10.97238351 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
11.15670202 Abazin
11.58445510 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
12.02054491 Circassian
12.19297339 Turk_East
12.35226700 Ingush
12.48256384 Kurd_Kurmanji
12.53485540 Karachay
12.58792676 Balkar
12.68863665 Udi_Azerbaijan
12.72612667 Adyghe

Distance to: Jafarova
2.28866779 34.80% Pomak_Greece + 65.20% Talysh_Azerbaijan
2.32376350 72.80% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 27.20% Greek_Peloponnese
2.39184464 72.80% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 27.20% Greek_Athens
2.47303076 85.60% Azerbaijani_Turkey + 14.40% PL_Mazovia
2.49344453 85.20% Azerbaijani_Turkey + 14.80% Ukrainian
2.49864278 85.40% Azerbaijani_Turkey + 14.60% Russian_Voronezh
2.50801311 85.80% Azerbaijani_Turkey + 14.20% Belorussian
2.52547594 61.60% Talysh_Azerbaijan + 38.40% Turk_Deliorman
2.56152884 83.40% Azerbaijani_Turkey + 16.60% Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk
2.56513078 86.00% Azerbaijani_Turkey + 14.00% Russian_Smolensk
2.56995183 70.40% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 29.60% Greek_Foca
2.57321673 72.60% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 27.40% Greek_Central
2.57354097 85.80% Azerbaijani_Turkey + 14.20% Polish_mixed
2.57719220 32.80% Pomak_Bulgaria + 67.20% Talysh_Azerbaijan
2.58188635 86.20% Azerbaijani_Turkey + 13.80% Belarus_Minsk
2.60684585 54.80% Crimean_Tatar_Mountain + 45.20% Talysh_Azerbaijan
2.60696269 81.20% Azerbaijani_Turkey + 18.80% Bosnian
2.60920122 87.60% Azerbaijani_Turkey + 12.40% Lithuanian
2.61747582 22.20% Tatar_Mishar + 77.80% Udi_Azerbaijan
2.62413966 85.40% Azerbaijani_Turkey + 14.60% Russian_Kursk
2.63181694 83.60% Azerbaijani_Turkey + 16.40% Hungarians
2.63796223 80.80% Azerbaijani_Turkey + 19.20% MD_North
2.64570939 85.40% Azerbaijani_Turkey + 14.60% Russian_Oryol
2.64631402 74.80% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 25.20% Greek_Thessaloniki
2.69757024 81.80% Azerbaijani_Turkey + 18.20% Croat

[Javid]

Why all of your Azerbaijani results have unusually low Mongoloid? :) Most of those shared above look like mixed results rather than full Azerbaijani

[Mejgusu]

Why all of your Azerbaijani results have unusually low Mongoloid? :) Most of those shared above look like mixed results rather than full Azerbaijani

They are probably assimilated Iranic/Udi, maybe from SE-coastal or Absheron area.

[Sterling Archer]

Why all of your Azerbaijani results have unusually low Mongoloid? :) Most of those shared above look like mixed results rather than full Azerbaijani

There is no such thing as full (or pure) Azerbaijani, everyone is mixed one way or another. As for the results, I don't know. I shared what I found, and what was not already posted by Kyp.
The one I shared in #374 has 5% EA, you might like that.

[Leto]

There is no such thing as full (or pure) Azerbaijani, everyone is mixed one way or another. As for the results, I don't know. I shared what I found, and what was not already posted by Kyp.
The one I shared in #374 has 5% EA, you might like that.
There is a difference between people with a foreign grandparent and those without one.

Post your own results by the way.

[Sterling Archer]

Where it was clear that there was a foreign parent I have mentioned. Those results are clearly not of fully local or even regional origin. But this is not decided by having less EA, and that was my gripe. Low mongoloid does not mean not Azerbaijani.

I can't post my own results, because they aren't ready yet. Still processing.

[Sterling Archer]

Azerbaijani:

Gedrosia 21.17 Pct
Siberian 2.75 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 10.53 Pct
North_European 10.49 Pct
South_Asian 2.54 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 11.72 Pct
East_Asian 3.55 Pct
Caucasus 36.61 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.62 Pct


Distance to: Nadjafov
2.88624323 Azerbaijani
4.55540338 Azerbaijani_Iran
4.56451531 Azerbaijani_Turkey
4.64677307 Turk_Southeast
6.85592445 Turk_South
7.13836116 Turk_Central_East
7.18922110 Kurd_Kurmanji
7.56683553 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
7.83765909 Turk_Central_West
8.23700795 Zaza
8.37295050 Yazidi
8.49383894 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
8.52823546 Iraq_Turkmen
8.85021469 Kurd_Adygea
8.90295457 Kurd_Sorani
9.25196195 Talysh_Azerbaijan
9.61885648 Turk_Southwest
9.66965356 Turk_West_BlackSea
10.53644627 Turk_East
10.72063431 Iran_Khorasan
10.74323973 Udi_Azerbaijan
10.78183658 Iranian_Fars
11.32975728 Iranian
11.50170857 Lur_Iran
11.56653794 Turk_Northwest

[Kyp]

Where it was clear that there was a foreign parent I have mentioned. Those results are clearly not of fully local or even regional origin. But this is not decided by having less EA, and that was my gripe. Low mongoloid does not mean not Azerbaijani.

I can't post my own results, because they aren't ready yet. Still processing.

Agree in general but just one thing I don't understand: When a result is southern with low mongoloid (like Kurds) you are quick to judge that the person cannot be Azerbaijani and must be a Kurd but when one is northern shifted and low mongoloid he is a regular Azerbaijani (not saying they aren't but I just question the double standard).

[Sterling Archer]

Udi (I assume):

Gedrosia 21.34 Pct
Siberian 2 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.91 Pct
Atlantic_Med 10.09 Pct
North_European 4.9 Pct
South_Asian 2.49 Pct
East_African 0.82 Pct
Southwest_Asian 12.85 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 44.6 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Udi
4.88610274 Udi_Azerbaijan
4.89882639 Zaza
4.96387953 Turk_East
6.49346595 Kurd_Kurmanji
6.92439167 Talysh_Azerbaijan
7.05385001 Azerbaijani_Turkey
7.14128140 Kurd_Adygea
7.52671907 Azerbaijani_Iran
7.68072262 Armenian_East
7.91586382 Azeri_Jew
8.00511087 Iraq_Turkmen
8.27809761 Yazidi
8.28920382 Armenian_West
8.37848435 Kurd_Sorani
8.38055487 Assyrian_North
8.49263210 Azerbaijani
8.76447374 Assyrian_South
8.97590664 Assyrian_West
9.00599245 Turk_Southeast
9.55984833 Lur_Iran
9.73839823 Mandean
9.81856405 Iranian_Jew
9.89043983 Iranian
9.90787566 Turk_Central_East
10.64595698 Turk_Ahiska

[Sterling Archer]

Agree in general but just one thing I don't understand: When a result is southern with low mongoloid (like Kurds) you are quick to judge that the person cannot be Azerbaijani and must be a Kurd but when one is northern shifted and low mongoloid he is a regular Azerbaijani (not saying they aren't but I just question the double standard).

I say it only when the proximity does not match, like if their top pops aren't Azerbaijani (what comes to mind recently is Zaza for example.). And I don't say can't be, I say probably isn't )) Again, only based on the proximity.
The other thing is, those three Absheron results were north shifted (go check them if you don't remember our discussion), I still said that they were probably not Azerbaijani, and once again based purely on numerical results. I have fairly been consistent in this.
Other than that, makes no difference to me.

The other thing is Kurds often get swept under the rug in Azerbaijan, mores so than others, which I think is not fair.
Recently even watched about the documentary about Kurds in Azerbaijan and how they lost their identity. Shame really.

[Leto]

How many Udi samples are there available? I know only three. If there are more, the reference should be updated, 'cause three is a low sample size.

[Javid]

Agree in general but just one thing I don't understand: When a result is southern with low mongoloid (like Kurds) you are quick to judge that the person cannot be Azerbaijani and must be a Kurd but when one is northern shifted and low mongoloid he is a regular Azerbaijani (not saying they aren't but I just question the double standard).

He's from North region of the Republic. I think that's the reason for his double standards. He tries to show that Azerbaijanis from Republic is very different from Azerbaijanis of Iran. We even argued about this topic on this forum.

[Sterling Archer]

He's from North region of the Republic. I think that's the reason for his double standards. He tries to show that Azerbaijanis from Republic is very different from Azerbaijanis of Iran. We even argued about this topic on this forum.

You guessed my foul purpose. I am surprised you did not say I was an Armenian spy planted in order to break apart Azerbaijani people, but you'll get there:) Then, as now, you have nothing substantial to contribute to discussion. This is the most often used, and the laziest way of conducting an argument in Azerbaijani part of the internet.


PS (not really): Ad Hominem is an attempt to shift the discussion from an Idea to a Person. A smart person will not allow this to happen ...
... being either overcome with emotion as they cleave to their refuted argument, or being untutored in the fact that personal attacks during a logical argument diminish the standing of their own position, they turn against their opponent in personal and logically irrelevant ways

[Sterling Archer]

How many Udi samples are there available? I know only three. If there are more, the reference should be updated, 'cause three is a low sample size.

This is the second sample I have seen. Unfortunately I don't have any other.

[Javid]

You guessed my foul purpose. I am surprised you did not say I was an Armenian spy planted in order to break apart Azerbaijani people, but you'll get there:) Then, as now, you have nothing substantial to contribute to discussion. This is the most often used, and the laziest way of conducting an argument in Azerbaijani part of the internet.


PS (not really): Ad Hominem is an attempt to shift the discussion from an Idea to a Person. A smart person will not allow this to happen ...
... being either overcome with emotion as they cleave to their refuted argument, or being untutored in the fact that personal attacks during a logical argument diminish the standing of their own position, they turn against their opponent in personal and logically irrelevant ways

WTF is this? I didn't mean any of those. I just said that you mostly share mixed Azerbaijani results with unusually low Mongoloid and high European. The possible reason for that could be that you are from North region which has low Mongoloid and high European.

And additionally for some reason you have problem with South Azerbaijan. When Gedrosia or SWA is a little bit high you immediately say he/she is Kurdish or Talysh. And again according to you Iranian Azerbaijanis are very different from Republic (you even said that they are more closer to Iranians than Republic Azerbaijanis!) and they mixed with Kurds, Talish and etc.

I'm not saying you're enemy of Azerbaijan or anything stupid like that and there's no any personal attack. You are just not objective and try to show all Azerbaijanis are like Azerbaijanis from North.

[Zoro]

I try to stay out of discussions using Admixture program to infer "Mongoloid" or "E Asian" because it's not used in the scientific community to calculate total Mongoloid or E Asian in populations. Instead statistical tools are used for this purpose.

A blanket statement like Kurds have low "Mongolid" is not factually correct, at least based on statistical tools used to infer this type of admixture.

The statement should instead be qualified as Kurds score lower Siberian or E. Asian using the Dodecad K12 calculator.

I would also like to point out that Gedrosian is proportional to Iran-N. Gedrosian or Iran-N is something the Kurds score on the higher side relatively speaking. The Paleolithic Caucasus paper by Harvard modeled Iran-N using qpAdm as about 11% E/S Eurasian Onge like + some 20% ANE related (below). CHG is also shown

https://i.imgur.com/wSx89LI.jpg

Although I have no proof as to how much "Mongoloid" Azeris score in statistical tools such as qpAdm because there are no public 1240K Azeri samples I'm aware of, the Reich dataset does contain 2 Kayseri Turkish samples. When I modeled Iraqi Kurds and Kayseri Turks as Armenian/Georgian/Iranian + E Asian/Siberian I so no evidence whatsoever that Kayseri Turks had higher E. Eurasian than Iraqi Kurds.

[Sterling Archer]

WTF is this? I didn't mean any of those. I just said that you mostly share mixed Azerbaijani results with unusually low Mongoloid and high European. The possible reason for that could be that you are from North region which has low Mongoloid and high European.

And I am saying you don't understand jack shit. I share results that I found, and that are not in Kyp's spreadsheet. Just so happens that he went scorched earth and most of the samples are already on his list.
Don't talk if you have no idea what is going on.


And additionally for some reason you have problem with South Azerbaijan. When Gedrosia or SWA is a little bit high you immediately say he/she is Kurdish or Talysh. And again according to you Iranian Azerbaijanis are very different from Republic (you even said that they are more closer to Iranians than Republic Azerbaijanis!) and they mixed with Kurds, Talish and etc.
No, I only say it if their top pops are Kurds, not the other way around. I had the same position regarding high NE sample from Absheron. Again, if you actually read instead of resorting to Ad Hominem, you'd see that.



I'm not saying you're enemy of Azerbaijan or anything stupid like that and there's no any personal attack. You are just not objective and try to show all Azerbaijanis are like Azerbaijanis from North.

You actually did say that. What you wrote was a personal attack, as you have nothing substation to add to the discussion.

I'll keep sharing samples, you are welcome to do so too. Or you can sit and skulk.

[Sterling Archer]

Azerbaijani:
Salimov,20.96,3.83,0.58,1.56,8.07,9.27,3.8,0,11.44 ,1.25,39.24,0

Distance to: Salimov
3.09025889 Azerbaijani_Iran
3.38251386 Azerbaijani_Turkey
3.45068109 Azerbaijani
5.68836532 Kurd_Kurmanji
5.77770716 Turk_Southeast
6.26101429 Zaza
6.68290356 Talysh_Azerbaijan
6.94517098 Iraq_Turkmen
7.10154913 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
7.11219375 Kurd_Adygea
7.31701442 Yazidi
7.51406681 Kurd_Sorani
7.73736389 Turk_Central_East
8.27337295 Turk_South
8.55153203 Turk_East
8.59569660 Udi_Azerbaijan
9.08854774 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
9.22865104 Iranian
9.73456214 Turk_Central_West
9.75561889 Lur_Iran
10.06006958 Iranian_Fars
11.28747093 Iran_Khorasan
11.73663495 Turk_West_BlackSea
11.73750825 Iraqi_Baghdad
12.00479071 Turk_Southwest

[Sterling Archer]

Maybe Talysh, but I am not sure.

Gedrosia 21.52 Pct
Siberian 3.16 Pct
Northwest_African 1 Pct
Southeast_Asian 1.66 Pct
Atlantic_Med 5.39 Pct
North_European 9.09 Pct
South_Asian 3.31 Pct
East_African 1.84 Pct
Southwest_Asian 8.71 Pct
East_Asian 0.67 Pct
Caucasus 43.65 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distanceto:
6.62531509 Talysh_Azerbaijan
6.86964337 Azerbaijani_Turkey
7.1616688 Azerbaijani_Iran
7.30973324 Udi_Azerbaijan
7.618891 Zaza
7.63607229 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
8.17568346 Azerbaijani
8.34341057 Turk_East
8.51338358 Kurd_Kurmanji
8.59102439 Kurd_Adygea
9.68591761 Iranian
9.86345274 Yazidi
10.37516265 Kurd_Sorani
10.43998563 Turk_Southeast
10.53099236 Iraq_Turkmen
10.9297301 Adyghe
10.96047444 Turk_Central_East
11.08353734 Ingush
11.15329548 Turk_Ahiska
11.24650612 Lur_Iran
11.26793237 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
11.76477369 Ossetian
11.88429636 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
12.00953371 Karachay
12.08617806 Armenian_East

[Saba]

Maybe Qashqai? Could you pm me his Kitnumber?

could you pm me the kit number as well ?

[Leto]

Udi (I assume):

Gedrosia 21.34 Pct
Siberian 2 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.91 Pct
Atlantic_Med 10.09 Pct
North_European 4.9 Pct
South_Asian 2.49 Pct
East_African 0.82 Pct
Southwest_Asian 12.85 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 44.6 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

These are the Udis I've found

Kit number: UZ7732905

Population
Gedrosia 22.76 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 9.33 Pct
North_European 8.41 Pct
South_Asian 0.6 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 11.7 Pct
East_Asian 1.22 Pct
Caucasus 45.98 Pct
Sub_Saharan -


Kit number: UT1711840

Population
Gedrosia 20.94 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 1.83 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 11.15 Pct
North_European 7.12 Pct
South_Asian 1.85 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 11.41 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 45.7 Pct
Sub_Saharan -


Kit number: RE2062633

Population
Gedrosia 20.39 Pct
Siberian 0.8 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.32 Pct
Atlantic_Med 7.81 Pct
North_European 10.13 Pct
South_Asian 0.68 Pct
East_African 0.11 Pct
Southwest_Asian 13.01 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 46.75 Pct
Sub_Saharan -


Kit number: T510848

Population
Gedrosia 20.55 Pct
Siberian 1.43 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 9.28 Pct
North_European 9.4 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 10.79 Pct
East_Asian 0.99 Pct
Caucasus 47.52 Pct
Sub_Saharan -


Kit number: YH3653037

Population
Gedrosia 23.15 Pct
Siberian 0.38 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 1.05 Pct
Atlantic_Med 8.49 Pct
North_European 8.38 Pct
South_Asian 0.86 Pct
East_African 0.65 Pct
Southwest_Asian 11.41 Pct
East_Asian 0.2 Pct
Caucasus 44.47 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.95 Pct

Let's update the average, 5 samples is much better, especially for such a tiny ethnic group (unlike the Georgians whom you called 'tiny').



Udi,21.52,0.77,0.31,0.38,9.36,8.06,1.08,0.26,11.86 ,0.40,45.84,0.16

[Sterling Archer]

This was earlier shared by Kyp. Looks like Udi, but with some EA admixture.

zara,20.07,3.56,0.3,0.79,5.28,10.61,1.57,0.5,11,1. 3,44.87,0.17

Distance to: zara
6.22454818 Udi_Azerbaijan
6.89066035 Azerbaijani_Turkey
6.94802850 Turk_East
7.72383972 Azerbaijani_Iran
7.79316367 Talysh_Azerbaijan
7.82625709 Zaza
7.91844682 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
8.22758774 Azerbaijani
9.08007159 Kurd_Kurmanji
9.40192002 Kurd_Adygea
9.80175494 Turk_Ahiska
9.80381558 Adyghe
9.89229498 Turk_Southeast
9.95279860 Turk_Central_East
10.30583815 Armenian_East
10.75552416 Ossetian
10.77412641 Ingush
10.81364878 Iraq_Turkmen
10.92023351 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
10.94223469 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
11.00466265 Kurd_Sorani
11.04891397 Yazidi
11.16611392 Karachay
11.29045172 Abazin
11.29689338 Iranian


unlike the Georgians whom you called 'tiny').
I called the country tiny (not the people), maybe I should have said small, which also applies to Azerbaijan. Especially sandwiched between truly big countries like Russia, Iran and Turkey.

[Kyp]

This was earlier shared by Kyp. Looks like Udi, but with some EA admixture.

zara,20.07,3.56,0.3,0.79,5.28,10.61,1.57,0.5,11,1. 3,44.87,0.17

Distance to: zara
6.22454818 Udi_Azerbaijan
6.89066035 Azerbaijani_Turkey
6.94802850 Turk_East
7.72383972 Azerbaijani_Iran
7.79316367 Talysh_Azerbaijan
7.82625709 Zaza
7.91844682 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
8.22758774 Azerbaijani
9.08007159 Kurd_Kurmanji
9.40192002 Kurd_Adygea
9.80175494 Turk_Ahiska
9.80381558 Adyghe
9.89229498 Turk_Southeast
9.95279860 Turk_Central_East
10.30583815 Armenian_East
10.75552416 Ossetian
10.77412641 Ingush
10.81364878 Iraq_Turkmen
10.92023351 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
10.94223469 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
11.00466265 Kurd_Sorani
11.04891397 Yazidi
11.16611392 Karachay
11.29045172 Abazin
11.29689338 Iranian


I called the country tiny (not the people), maybe I should have said small, which also applies to Azerbaijan. Especially sandwiched between truly big countries like Russia, Iran and Turkey.

Distance to: zara
5.64880518 Azerbaijani_North
6.22454818 Udi_Azerbaijan
6.89066035 Azerbaijani_Turkey
6.94802850 Turk_East
7.72383972 Azerbaijani_Iran
7.79316367 Talysh_Azerbaijan
7.82625709 Zaza
7.91844682 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
8.22758774 Azerbaijani
9.08007159 Kurd_Kurmanji
9.40192002 Kurd_Adygea
9.63561622 Azerbaijani_Northwest
9.80175494 Turk_Ahiska
9.80381558 Adyghe
9.89229498 Turk_Southeast
9.95279860 Turk_Central_East
10.30583815 Armenian_East
10.75552416 Ossetian
10.77412641 Ingush
10.81364878 Iraq_Turkmen
10.92023351 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
10.94223469 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
11.00466265 Kurd_Sorani
11.04891397 Yazidi
11.16611392 Karachay

[Sterling Archer]

Another Talysh:

Gedrosia 26.93 Pct
Siberian 0.47 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.49 Pct
Atlantic_Med 5.67 Pct
North_European 7.89 Pct
South_Asian 2.91 Pct
East_African 0.46 Pct
Southwest_Asian 13 Pct
East_Asian 2.12 Pct
Caucasus 40.06 Pct
Sub_Saharan -



Distance to: talysh
3.07792138 Talysh_Azerbaijan
3.42191467 Kurd_Adygea
3.65931688 Iranian
4.24390151 Yazidi
4.75807734 Kurd_Kurmanji
4.88635856 Lur_Iran
5.09479146 Zaza
5.34782199 Kurd_Sorani
6.23142841 Azerbaijani_Iran
6.76718553 Iranian_Fars
7.51152448 Iraq_Turkmen
7.80115376 Azerbaijani
7.99651174 Iran_Mazandaran
8.25694859 Azerbaijani_Turkey
8.81419310 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
9.53598448 Udi_Azerbaijan
10.00906589 Iran_Khorasan
10.94310285 Turk_Southeast
11.92803840 Turk_East
12.90463870 Iraqi_Baghdad
13.81290701 Turk_Central_East
14.06270955 Mandean
14.24281222 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
14.38701845 Azeri_Jew
14.64869619 Turk_South

[Sterling Archer]

Azerbaijani:

Gedrosia 22.59 Pct
Siberian 0.68 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 5.18 Pct
North_European 12.72 Pct
South_Asian 2.1 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 11.43 Pct
East_Asian 1.57 Pct
Caucasus 43.72 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Narmin
5.74665990 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
6.81017621 Talysh_Azerbaijan
6.81560709 Udi_Azerbaijan
7.36920620 Zaza
7.81005122 Azerbaijani_Turkey
7.83026181 Azerbaijani_Iran
8.25261777 Azerbaijani
8.31703072 Kurd_Adygea
8.42896198 Kurd_Kurmanji
8.96131687 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
9.20057607 Turk_East
9.88546913 Ingush
9.98469829 Yazidi
10.11521132 Iranian
10.11676332 Kurd_Sorani
10.16168785 Adyghe

Running this previous sample with Kyp's Azerbaijani_North average. Much better fit:
Distance to: Narmin
4.15195135 Azerbaijani_North
5.74665990 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
6.81017621 Talysh_Azerbaijan
6.81560709 Udi_Azerbaijan
7.36920620 Zaza
7.81005122 Azerbaijani_Turkey
7.83026181 Azerbaijani_Iran
8.25261777 Azerbaijani
8.31703072 Kurd_Adygea
8.42896198 Kurd_Kurmanji
8.96131687 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
9.20057607 Turk_East
9.88546913 Ingush
9.98469829 Yazidi
10.11521132 Iranian
10.11676332 Kurd_Sorani
10.16168785 Adyghe
10.83484195 Turk_Southeast
11.02097546 Iraq_Turkmen
11.09746367 Kumyk
11.47187866 Ossetian
11.58668633 Turk_Ahiska
11.63015907 Karachay
11.75951955 Turk_Central_East
11.77513482 Lur_Iran

[RatCat]

A match of mine. I thought he wasn't Caucasian all this time because of the kit's name but turned out he is Dagestani (Probably a Lak)

I will look at my matches for more Dagestani results in the future.


Population
Gedrosia 24.65 Pct
Siberian 3.17 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 4.23 Pct
North_European 24.89 Pct
South_Asian 1.31 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 3.21 Pct
East_Asian 0.47 Pct
Caucasus 38.07 Pct
Sub_Saharan -


Distance to: DagMatch
2.00848201 Lak
3.06931588 Kaitag_Dagestan
3.29001520 Avar
3.50067136 Tabasaran
3.75367820 Kubachi_Dagestan
4.87438201 Lezgin
4.89037831 Dargin
6.60973524 Chechen
7.63295487 Kumyk
8.07048326 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
9.73075537 Ingush
11.20815328 Kabardin
11.33683377 Balkar
12.23515018 Karachay
12.44976707 Abazin
12.65428781 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
12.82240227 Circassian
13.40875087 Adyghe
14.19477016 Ossetian
17.06836255 Ossetian_South
17.38513158 Yagnobi
18.55324230 Nogai
19.45489142 Iran_Khorasan
19.45598109 Azerbaijani
19.80652418 Azerbaijani_Turkey


Target: DagMatch
Distance: 1.1603% / 1.16033700 | ADC: 0.5x RC
48.4 Lak
34.2 Kaitag_Dagestan
15.6 Kumyk
1.8 Nogai


Target: DagMatch
Distance: 1.2732% / 1.27322026 | R2P
74.1 Kaitag_Dagestan
25.9 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan


Target: DagMatch
Distance: 0.8736% / 0.87359643 | R3P
78.5 Tabasaran
16.3 Georgian_Svan
5.2 Mari


Target: DagMatch
Distance: 1.0261% / 1.02611179 | R3P
64.1 Kaitag_Dagestan
33.4 Chechen
2.5 Nuristani

[Sterling Archer]

Azerbaijani . Hope this has not been posted (numbers look familiar):

Gedrosia 24.65 Pct
Siberian 2.34 Pct
Northwest_African 0.88 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 7.06 Pct
North_European 8.39 Pct
South_Asian 3.18 Pct
East_African 0.06 Pct
Southwest_Asian 12.42 Pct
East_Asian 2.49 Pct
Caucasus 38.52 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: AZ
3.16091759 Azerbaijani_Iran
3.65614551 Kurd_Kurmanji
4.13664115 Kurd_Adygea
4.13900954 Yazidi
4.20859834 Talysh_Azerbaijan
4.65526584 Azerbaijani
4.95158560 Zaza
5.17274589 Kurd_Sorani
5.47916965 Azerbaijani_Turkey
5.79353951 Iranian
6.11541495 Iraq_Turkmen
6.33528216 Lur_Iran
6.50497502 Azerbaijani_North
6.77538929 Iranian_Fars
7.49037382 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
7.91483417 Turk_Southeast
8.92365956 Iran_Khorasan
9.38778462 Udi_Azerbaijan
10.71636599 Iran_Mazandaran
10.73209206 Turk_East
10.90259144 Turk_Central_East
11.28615081 Turk_South
11.69387874 Iraqi_Baghdad
12.29384399 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
12.81535017 Turk_Central_West

[Sterling Archer]

Interesting results, very little noise.

Azerbaijani:

Gedrosia 22.55 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 6.82 Pct
North_European 12.11 Pct
South_Asian 4.99 Pct
East_African 0.7 Pct
Southwest_Asian 9.81 Pct
East_Asian 3.88 Pct
Caucasus 39.15 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Nigar
5.13973735 Azerbaijani_North
5.28585849 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
5.96260849 Azerbaijani
6.24410122 Azerbaijani_Iran
6.59464176 Azerbaijani_Turkey
7.71934583 Talysh_Azerbaijan
8.29589055 Kurd_Kurmanji
8.54302054 Zaza
8.79000569 Kurd_Adygea
9.12647796 Turk_Southeast
9.13846814 Yazidi
9.51784114 Kurd_Sorani
9.84281972 Iran_Khorasan
9.94554171 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
10.18154703 Udi_Azerbaijan
10.21763671 Iranian
10.26074559 Iraq_Turkmen
10.44447701 Iranian_Fars
10.81859048 Turk_Central_East
11.03920740 Kumyk
11.15010314 Turk_South
11.38550833 Lur_Iran
11.39796473 Turk_East
11.77419636 Ingush
12.01302626 Turk_Central_Black_Sea

[RatCat]

Another one. I'm not sure if he is 1/4 Dagestani + 3/4 Turk or 1/2 Azeri_Dagestan + 1/2 Turk

Population
Gedrosia 16.92 Pct
Siberian 4.11 Pct
Northwest_African 1.12 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.55 Pct
Atlantic_Med 10.5 Pct
North_European 15.01 Pct
South_Asian 1.82 Pct
East_African 0.4 Pct
Southwest_Asian 9.21 Pct
East_Asian 3.77 Pct
Caucasus 36.58 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: ***
6.03186538 Turk_South
6.04472497 Turk_West_BlackSea
6.37392344 Turk_Southwest
6.39824976 Turk_Central_West
7.14904889 Turk_Northwest
7.49165536 Turk_Central_East
7.50687685 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
8.19318619 Azerbaijani
8.23304318 Turk_Southeast
8.68454374 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
8.70553272 Azerbaijani_Turkey
9.26808502 Kabardin
9.71656832 Kumyk
9.88141690 Azerbaijani_Iran
10.54195428 Abazin
11.13728872 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
11.39749095 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
11.55359251 Circassian
12.09448635 Karachay
12.12168718 Balkar
12.62053485 Ingush
12.72932048 Turk_East
12.98943802 Adyghe
13.04647845 Kurd_Kurmanji
13.55847337 Zaza



Target: ***
Distance: 1.4852% / 1.48516160 | R2P | ADC: 0.5x RC
73.8 Turk_Central_West
26.2 Kaitag_Dagestan


Target: ***
Distance: 1.4928% / 1.49276053 | R2P | ADC: 0.5x RC
55.0 Turk_Northwest
45.0 Azerbaijani_Dagestan



Target: ***
Distance: 1.1103% / 1.11034889 | ADC: 0.5x RC
43.4 Turk_Northwest
28.1 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
15.4 Kumyk
6.6 Turk_South
6.5 Turk_West_BlackSea

[Sterling Archer]

What is the name? Maye that can help to narrow it down.

[RatCat]

What is the name? Maye that can help to narrow it down.

Turkish name and surname

[Kyp]

New Azerbaijani result from Autonomous Republic of Naxcivan (all ancestry from there):
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3a/Nakhchivan_Autonomous_Republic_in_Azerbaijan.svg/1200px-Nakhchivan_Autonomous_Republic_in_Azerbaijan.svg.p ng

Gedrosian: 22.86
Siberian: 0.70
Northwest_African: 2.50
Southeast_Asian: 0.27
Atlantic_Med: 8.87
North_European: 7.45
South_Asian: 2.17
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 10.26
East_Asian: 4.64
Caucasian: 40.28
Sub_Saharan: 0.00



Distance to: Azerbaijani_Naxcivan
4.05772104 Azerbaijani_Iran
4.43247109 Azerbaijani_Turkey
4.85029896 Azerbaijani
4.89770354 Azerbaijani_Northwest
5.88706209 Kurd_Kurmanji
5.89344551 Zaza
6.04008278 Talysh_Azerbaijan
6.41968068 Kurd_Adygea
6.80888390 Yazidi
7.03589369 Azerbaijani_North
7.41972371 Turk_Southeast
8.00038749 Kurd_Sorani
8.00509838 Udi_Azerbaijan
8.16216883 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
8.33655804 Iraq_Turkmen
8.69230119 Turk_East
8.91632211 Iran_Central
8.95390418 Iranian
9.03936945 Turk_Central_East
9.23447346 Lur_Iran
10.10453858 Turk_South
10.42300820 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
10.42655264 Iranian_Fars
11.31768086 Turk_Central_West
11.95595249 Iran_Khorasan

Target: Azerbaijani_Naxcivan
Distance: 1.7093% / 1.70931503 | ADC: 0.25x RC
43.9 Udi_Azerbaijan
24.0 Iran_Mazandaran
21.4 Azerbaijani_Northwest
4.2 Algerian
3.6 Japanese
2.9 Georgian_Adjara

[Sterling Archer]

Azerbaijani:

Gedrosia 22.27 Pct
Siberian 1.01 Pct
Northwest_African 2.77 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.97 Pct
Atlantic_Med 7.92 Pct
North_European 10.05 Pct
South_Asian 4.32 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 10.83 Pct
East_Asian 4.37 Pct
Caucasus 35.5 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Aze
5.09271048 Azerbaijani
5.31783791 Azerbaijani_Iran
6.65453980 Azerbaijani_Turkey
7.65001961 Turk_Southeast
7.86943454 Kurd_Kurmanji
7.91809952 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
8.13311748 Yazidi
8.23825831 Iran_Khorasan
8.61666409 Kurd_Sorani
8.64639231 Iranian_Fars
8.81480005 Iraq_Turkmen
8.84031674 Kurd_Adygea
8.99479294 Talysh_Azerbaijan
9.23445721 Zaza
9.65955486 Turk_South
10.25130723 Turk_Central_East
10.69737818 Iranian
10.79349804 Lur_Iran
11.02048093 Turk_Central_West
11.32061836 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
12.26644610 Turk_Southwest
12.34147074 Udi_Azerbaijan
12.70135032 Turk_West_BlackSea
12.71941036 Turk_East
12.91736041 Turkmen_TM

[Peterski]

New Azerbaijani result from Autonomous Republic of Naxcivan (all ancestry from there):
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3a/Nakhchivan_Autonomous_Republic_in_Azerbaijan.svg/1200px-Nakhchivan_Autonomous_Republic_in_Azerbaijan.svg.p ng

Gedrosian: 22.86
Siberian: 0.70
Northwest_African: 2.50
Southeast_Asian: 0.27
Atlantic_Med: 8.87
North_European: 7.45
South_Asian: 2.17
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 10.26
East_Asian: 4.64
Caucasian: 40.28
Sub_Saharan: 0.00



Distance to: Azerbaijani_Naxcivan
4.05772104 Azerbaijani_Iran
4.43247109 Azerbaijani_Turkey
4.85029896 Azerbaijani
4.89770354 Azerbaijani_Northwest
5.88706209 Kurd_Kurmanji
5.89344551 Zaza
6.04008278 Talysh_Azerbaijan
6.41968068 Kurd_Adygea
6.80888390 Yazidi
7.03589369 Azerbaijani_North
7.41972371 Turk_Southeast
8.00038749 Kurd_Sorani
8.00509838 Udi_Azerbaijan
8.16216883 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
8.33655804 Iraq_Turkmen
8.69230119 Turk_East
8.91632211 Iran_Central
8.95390418 Iranian
9.03936945 Turk_Central_East
9.23447346 Lur_Iran
10.10453858 Turk_South
10.42300820 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
10.42655264 Iranian_Fars
11.31768086 Turk_Central_West
11.95595249 Iran_Khorasan

Target: Azerbaijani_Naxcivan
Distance: 1.7093% / 1.70931503 | ADC: 0.25x RC
43.9 Udi_Azerbaijan
24.0 Iran_Mazandaran
21.4 Azerbaijani_Northwest
4.2 Algerian
3.6 Japanese
2.9 Georgian_Adjara

Wasn't this area settled by the Azeris quite recently?

[Kyp]

Wasn't this area settled by the Azeris quite recently?

No. You must be mistaken

[Kyp]

Iranians from Mashadd (Northeastern Iran):
https://imagevars.gulfnews.com/2017/4/5/1_16a0843ab8d.2006169_990391336_16a0843ab8d_large. jpg

Gedrosian: 28.04
Siberian: 1.14
Northwest_African: 1.76
Southeast_Asian: 0.46
Atlantic_Med: 11.51
North_European: 7.14
South_Asian: 6.59
East_African: 0.50
Southwest_Asian: 10.85
East_Asian: 2.77
Caucasian: 29.24
Sub_Saharan: 0.00

Distance to: Mashadd
6.77380248 Iran_Khorasan
7.65979112 Iran_C_East
8.99397576 Iranian_Fars
9.80658962 Iran_Central
11.41621216 Yazidi


Gedrosian: 28.45
Siberian: 3.72
Northwest_African: 2.84
Southeast_Asian: 1.88
Atlantic_Med: 5.20
North_European: 11.58
South_Asian: 6.81
East_African: 0.25
Southwest_Asian: 7.52
East_Asian: 3.17
Caucasian: 28.59
Sub_Saharan: 0.00

Distance to: Mashadd2
6.15718280 Iran_Khorasan
7.75539812 Turkmen_TM
8.93895408 Iran_C_East
9.22623433 Tajik_Herat
11.31124662 Iranian_Fars

Gedrosian: 25.86
Siberian: 2.36
Northwest_African: 1.37
Southeast_Asian: 1.65
Atlantic_Med: 7.57
North_European: 8.83
South_Asian: 6.55
East_African: 0.18
Southwest_Asian: 10.84
East_Asian: 0.11
Caucasian: 34.67
Sub_Saharan: 0.00

Distance to: Mashadd3
4.39159424 Iran_Central
5.04318352 Iran_Khorasan
5.38235079 Iran_C_East
5.42039666 Iranian_Fars
7.02481316 Yazidi


Gedrosian: 29.81
Siberian: 0.00
Northwest_African: 3.06
Southeast_Asian: 1.49
Atlantic_Med: 5.09
North_European: 10.44
South_Asian: 7.28
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 9.49
East_Asian: 3.85
Caucasian: 29.48
Sub_Saharan: 0.00

Distance to: Mashadd4
5.18647279 Iran_Khorasan
6.96911042 Iran_C_East
9.32014485 Iranian_Fars
10.17168128 Iran_Central
10.51603537 Tajik_Herat


Partly Mashadd:

Gedrosian: 25.16
Siberian: 1.91
Northwest_African: 1.10
Southeast_Asian: 1.87
Atlantic_Med: 10.86
North_European: 7.46
South_Asian: 4.87
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 12.17
East_Asian: 0.82
Caucasian: 33.06
Sub_Saharan: 0.00

Distance to: MashaddC
6.61797552 Iran_Central
6.84144722 Iranian_Fars
7.03329937 Yazidi
7.30038355 Iran_Khorasan
7.55487922 Iran_C_East

[RatCat]

Uyghur Results. Dont know if it's shared, i couldn't find

Population
Gedrosia 14.11 Pct
Siberian 16.94 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 5.18 Pct
Atlantic_Med 3.58 Pct
North_European 10.29 Pct
South_Asian 4.83 Pct
East_African 0.06 Pct
Southwest_Asian 2.93 Pct
East_Asian 33.62 Pct
Caucasus 8.45 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: uyg
6.48870557 Uyghur
8.46264143 Hazara
10.32011628 Kyrgyz_Pamir
11.70876595 Karakalpak
12.10295832 Nogai_Stavropol
12.11409097 Kyrgyz
12.30296712 Kazakh
14.79958783 Nogai_Astrakhan
16.90696602 Uzbeki
19.15039686 Turkmen_Afghanistan
19.34925322 Uzbek
20.97885364 Tubalar
21.76964630 Altaian_Telengit
23.41143951 Altaian_Chelkan
23.52928601 Altaian_Kizhi
23.81159381 Kalmyk
24.39120128 Khakass
24.48429088 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
24.59632493 Mongol_Uuld
25.34121544 Mongol_Khalkh
25.48538208 Shor
26.12027948 Tatar_Siberia
27.45450418 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe
28.23774247 Bashkir_South
29.28161198 Nepali_Newar_Shrestha


Target: uyg
Distance: 2.3410% / 2.34099558 | ADC: 0.5x RC
44.6 Uyghur
25.2 Kyrgyz_Pamir
19.8 Hazara
10.4 Nepali_Gurung


Target: uyg
Distance: 4.3908% / 4.39077668 | ADC: 1x RC
66.2 Uyghur
33.8 Kyrgyz_Pamir


Target: uyg
Distance: 3.1810% / 3.18095153 | R2P
87.6 Uyghur
12.4 Daur


Target: uyg
Distance: 1.0799% / 1.07994618 | R3P
36.2 Khakass
35.9 Tajik_Herat
27.9 Korean


Target: uyg
Distance: 1.3805% / 1.38046612 | R3P
61.8 Hazara
25.9 Nogai_Astrakhan
12.3 Han_north

[Sterling Archer]

Azerbaijani (very low Caucasus, hence not really close):

Gedrosia 22.9 Pct
Siberian 0.91 Pct
Northwest_African 1.68 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.73 Pct
Atlantic_Med 8.77 Pct
North_European 8.12 Pct
South_Asian 4.27 Pct
East_African 0.43 Pct
Southwest_Asian 12.39 Pct
East_Asian 4.94 Pct
Caucasus 34.86 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Ilgar
5.18646315 Azerbaijani
5.30677868 Azerbaijani_Iran
6.98217731 Azerbaijani_Turkey
7.11226406 Yazidi
7.21652964 Kurd_Kurmanji
7.24775138 Turk_Southeast
7.43246931 Iranian_Fars
7.44252645 Kurd_Sorani
7.48708221 Iraq_Turkmen
8.08538187 Iran_Khorasan
8.30735217 Kurd_Adygea
8.86050224 Zaza
8.98110238 Talysh_Azerbaijan
9.53725852 Lur_Iran
9.90343375 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
10.11842379 Turk_South
10.17220723 Iranian
10.60663000 Turk_Central_East
11.41225219 Turk_Central_West
11.42315631 Iraqi_Baghdad
11.81085518 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
12.78707942 Udi_Azerbaijan
12.85901240 Turk_Southwest
13.03279325 Turk_East
13.38551829 Turkmen_TM

[Sterling Archer]

Azerbaijani (related to the guy above):

Gedrosia 21.77 Pct
Siberian 1.82 Pct
Northwest_African 2.32 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.22 Pct
Atlantic_Med 9.33 Pct
North_European 8.35 Pct
South_Asian 3.74 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 11.73 Pct
East_Asian 5.42 Pct
Caucasus 35.3 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Imanov
4.51227215 Azerbaijani
5.04669199 Azerbaijani_Iran
6.11686194 Azerbaijani_Turkey
6.22873181 Turk_Southeast
7.69891551 Kurd_Kurmanji
8.08420683 Iraq_Turkmen
8.08542516 Yazidi
8.46645735 Turk_South
8.50564518 Kurd_Sorani
8.99836096 Kurd_Adygea
9.13580867 Iranian_Fars
9.14361526 Zaza
9.16014192 Turk_Central_East
9.37403862 Iran_Khorasan
9.49063749 Talysh_Azerbaijan
9.67129774 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
9.85365414 Turk_Central_West
10.15614592 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
10.67874056 Lur_Iran
11.14210034 Iranian
11.20854139 Turk_Southwest
11.77513057 Iraqi_Baghdad
11.91994128 Turk_West_BlackSea
12.29213163 Turk_East
12.47168794 Udi_Azerbaijan

[Leto]

@Sterling Archer
Did you decide to repost all Azerbaijani results? This thread is not about one country only and Kyp would normally post it if something new pops up. Also the way you name the target makes them barely distinguishable. After all who cares if it's a Said or Memmed, that kind of information alone says nothing personal.

[Sterling Archer]

Did you decide to repost all Azerbaijani results? This thread is not about one country only and Kyp would normally post it if something new pops up
I post only after checking with Kyp's spread sheet. None of the results are in it, and so far almost everything I have posted recently has been new. If you have a proof that I have posted an old result, you are welcome to show it. I will delete the reposts. So far I see no problem.
@Kyp Are these results known to you?


Also the way you name the target makes them barely distinguishable. After all who cares if it's a Said or Memmed, that kind of information alone says nothing personal.
I can only post the information I have. If I don't have anything other than the name, am I supposed to ignore it? Is there a forum rule for that? I do have kit number however.
I am not the only one who posts without names btw, plenty of people do it. Even most recently.


This thread is not about one country only
Again, these are new results as far as I know.

[Leto]

No, I mean if you post 15 individuals titled "AZ", after a while you may forget who's who. I would at least mark each in a unique way.

[Sterling Archer]

Fair enough.
Last few results have been posted under the same name, which makes naming difficult.
Otherwise I will try to distinguish them more.

[Altaylı]

Turkey,Zonguldak/Devrekli

Gedrosia: 14.12
Siberian: 7.99
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic Med: 15.18
North European: 8.86
South Asian: 0.76
East African -
Southwest Asian: 8.68
East Asian: 6.95
Caucasus: 37.46
Sub Saharan -

Target: test
Distance: 2.1996% / 2.19956941 | ADC: 0.25x RC
88.3 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
7.6 Sardinian
2.4 Negidal
1.7 Yakut

Turkicness

Target: test
Distance: 4.0937% / 4.09365945 | ADC: 0.25x RC
40.1 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
33.2 Greek_Cappadocia
17.7 Greek_Icaria
9.0 Georgian_Mingrelian

interestingly he has 15% east eurasian but his Turkicness same or even lesser than some 10-12% east eurasian results i know

[Dr_Maul]

interestingly he has 15% east eurasian but his Turkicness same or even lesser than some 10-12% east eurasian results i know

Because of low North Euro compared to Asian
Only Central Asian references: (basically what you posted)
Target: Turk
Distance: 4.0936% / 4.09364332
40.1 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
32.9 Greek_Cappadocia
17.9 Greek_Icaria
9.1 Georgian_Mingrelian



With pure Asian added (check distance)
Target: Turk
Distance: 2.9177% / 2.91774642
34.5 Greek_Cappadocia
28.9 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
18.4 Greek_Icaria
12.1 Georgian_Mingrelian
4.6 Yakut
1.5 Han_north

[Altaylı]

Because of low North Euro compared to Asian
Only Central Asian references: (basically what you posted)
Target: Turk
Distance: 4.0936% / 4.09364332
40.1 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
32.9 Greek_Cappadocia
17.9 Greek_Icaria
9.1 Georgian_Mingrelian



With pure Asian added (check distance)
Target: Turk
Distance: 2.9177% / 2.91774642
34.5 Greek_Cappadocia
28.9 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
18.4 Greek_Icaria
12.1 Georgian_Mingrelian
4.6 Yakut
1.5 Han_north

thanks for explain my brother :)

[Mejgusu]

Because of low North Euro compared to Asian
Only Central Asian references: (basically what you posted)
Target: Turk
Distance: 4.0936% / 4.09364332
40.1 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
32.9 Greek_Cappadocia
17.9 Greek_Icaria
9.1 Georgian_Mingrelian



With pure Asian added (check distance)
Target: Turk
Distance: 2.9177% / 2.91774642
34.5 Greek_Cappadocia
28.9 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
18.4 Greek_Icaria
12.1 Georgian_Mingrelian
4.6 Yakut
1.5 Han_north

Uzbekistan Turmens are not a good proxy for Oghuz who came to Anatolia. Turkmens itself are diverse, compared to other Central Asian Turkics. People always say Turkmenistan Turkmens would be less Turkic than Afghanistan Turkmens, which ich probably true for the average. I doubt that there are the same amount of Turkmenistan Turkmen samples like those from Afghanistan, since also they can have not even 30% east eurasian. Leto once sent a Turkmenistan sample who had the highest amount of east eurasian among Turkmens and as far i know this sample this was the best example how Oghuzes looked like before they mixed. Uzbekistan Turkmens are 20-25% east eurasian, they are probably 70% Oghuz.

[Altaylı]

Uzbekistan Turmens are not a good proxy for Oghuz who came to Anatolia. Turkmens itself are diverse, compared to other Central Asian Turkics. People always say Turkmenistan Turkmens would be less Turkic than Afghanistan Turkmens, which ich probably true for the average. I doubt that there are the same amount of Turkmenistan Turkmen samples like those from Afghanistan, since also they can have not even 30% east eurasian. Leto once sent a Turkmenistan sample who had the highest amount of east eurasian among Turkmens and as far i know this sample this was the best example how Oghuzes looked like before they mixed. Uzbekistan Turkmens are 20-25% east eurasian, they are probably 70% Oghuz.

thanks for explain :)
I think Afghanistan Turkmens are the closest modern proxy to early medieval Oghuzes
can you post that highest east eurasian Turkmen?

[Mejgusu]

thanks for explain :)
I think Afghanistan Turkmens are the closest modern proxy to early medieval Oghuzes
can you post that highest east eurasian Turkmen?

You must ask Leto, i don’t have this sample. As average they are closer, still they absorbed Iranic elements which make them a bit different. But as far I know this guy was 40% east eurasian.


It is Afghan Turkmen (out of Turkmen averages on K12b, idk about IRL)

As far I know there was a Turkmenistan sample with more than 40% east eurasian, how much score the Afghanistan sample?

[Dr_Maul]

can you post that highest east eurasian Turkmen?

It is Afghan Turkmen (out of Turkmen averages on K12b, idk about IRL)

[Dr_Maul]

thanks for explain my brother :)

Target: Turk
Distance: 2.6328% / 2.63275156
63.5 Greek_Cappadocia
35.6 Turkmen_Afghanistan
0.9 Georgian_Mingrelian

much better fit Afghanistan Turkmens

[RatCat]

Back at it again with a very interesting result! Half Dagestani + Half Laz guy, born in Russia

https://ibb.co/r7Z2m22 (Don't quote the photo pls)

Y-DNA: G-L14
mtDNA: K1a

Population
Gedrosia 22.29 Pct
Siberian 0.11 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.08 Pct
Atlantic_Med 7.65 Pct
North_European 17.2 Pct
South_Asian 0.31 Pct
East_African 0.38 Pct
Southwest_Asian 4.28 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 47.4 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.28 Pct


Distance to: Mert
5.15274684 Adyghe
5.26372492 Ingush
6.23054572 Ossetian
6.99756386 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
7.19124468 Ossetian_South
7.21172656 Chechen
7.74556002 Karachay
7.94496067 Circassian
8.48257037 Balkar
8.81342726 Abazin
8.97255816 Kumyk
9.58283361 Kabardin
9.89438224 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
10.61335951 Abkhazian
11.92557755 Udi_Azerbaijan
12.27475458 Turk_Ahiska
12.68658346 Lezgin
13.37410932 Georgian
13.38257075 Lak
13.82150860 Turk_East
13.85941918 Kubachi_Dagestan
13.92951543 Georgian_Svan
14.18537627 Georgian_Gurian
14.38821740 Azerbaijani_Turkey
14.69776173 Talysh_Azerbaijan


Target: Mert
Distance: 1.1083% / 1.10830823 | ADC: 0.25x RC
41.9 Kubachi_Dagestan
41.1 Georgian_Gurian
12.5 Turk_Ahiska
4.5 Spanish_Basque

Target: Mert
Distance: 2.1397% / 2.13971268 | R2P
51.9 Dargin
48.1 Laz

Target: Mert
Distance: 2.6860% / 2.68599570 | R2P
52.4 Dargin
47.6 Georgian_Adjara

[Leto]

Laz are virtually non-existent in Russia. In fact they're very rare even in Georgia.

[RatCat]

Laz are virtually non-existent in Russia. In fact they're very rare even in Georgia.

He has a Turkish name and surname and his online nick is DagestanLaz. He is using VKontakte.

[Leto]

He has a Turkish name and surname and his online nick is DagestanLaz. He is using VKontakte.
Okay. I guess his father is a Laz from Turkey. I wonder what specifically his Dagestani side is.

[Altaylı]

@Leto can you post the highest east eurasian Turkmen result pls:puppy_dp:

[Kyp]

@Leto can you post the highest east eurasian Turkmen result pls:puppy_dp:

Maybe this is helping you (based on G25 samples):

https://i.imgur.com/pFwpv1H.png

[Altaylı]

Maybe this is helping you (based on G25):

https://i.imgur.com/pFwpv1H.png

Thanks:victory0:

[Leto]

@Leto can you post the highest east eurasian Turkmen result pls:puppy_dp:
I think Gecko meant a sample that had been posted by Kaspias. I will find it.

[Altaylı]

I think Gecko meant a sample that had been posted by Kaspias. I will find it.

Very Thanks :victory0:

[placebo]

is there any ahıska turk example with average east eurasian. (like anatolian turks) usually they have very low east eurasian.

[Leto]

This is the Turkmen

Y-DNA: Q-L53
mt-DNA: U2c1

Gedrosia 14.13
Siberian 18.60
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 5.17
North_European 15.33
South_Asian 2.82
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 2.37
East_Asian 22.83
Caucasus 18.74
Sub_Saharan -

This is indeed an interesting speciemen. Looks like a well preserved medieval genetic profile. 41.4% East Eurasian but also high European (higher than in Persians).

[RatCat]

is there any ahıska turk example with average east eurasian. (like anatolian turks) usually they have very low east eurasian.

Ahiska Turk member fiko0's results show %0 East Eurasian:

Fiko0(Ahiska_Turk),16.46,0,0.76,0,11.53,10.75,0,0, 10.05,0,50.08,0.38

This is the average:

Turk_Ahiska,19.35,0.34,0.42,0.23,7.75,8.24,0.40,0, 9.56,0.46,53.16,0.03

[RatCat]

double post

[placebo]

Ahiska Turk member fiko0's results show %0 East Eurasian:

Fiko0(Ahiska_Turk),16.46,0,0.76,0,11.53,10.75,0,0, 10.05,0,50.08,0.38

This is the average:

Turk_Ahiska,19.35,0.34,0.42,0.23,7.75,8.24,0.40,0, 9.56,0.46,53.16,0.03

i really can't understand. yeah i know phenotype ≠ genotype but i am half ahıskan and also quarter georgian lol. despite how can i look so turkic. i proud my blood but really i can't understand. i guess my only way to find out the truth is to have a test.

or i have a theory. i think the ahıska people are not homogeneous and they vary a lot from family to family. i read an article about the history of ahıska related to this. maybe east eurasia percentege low because of due to the number of testers.

[Leto]

Ahiska Turk member fiko0's results show %0 East Eurasian:

Fiko0(Ahiska_Turk),16.46,0,0.76,0,11.53,10.75,0,0, 10.05,0,50.08,0.38

This is the average:

Turk_Ahiska,19.35,0.34,0.42,0.23,7.75,8.24,0.40,0, 9.56,0.46,53.16,0.03
All the actual and presumable Meskhetian Turks I have (I personally find that group interesting)


16.46,0.00,0.76,0.00,11.53,10.75,0.00,0.00,10.05,0 .00,50.08,0.38
18.08,0.30,0.50,0.13,8.24,9.46,0.65,0.22,8.97,0.42 ,53.03,0.00
18.26,0.89,0.21,0.43,8.27,8.25,0.23,0.00,7.38,0.00 ,56.06,0.00
19.21,1.56,0.00,0.00,6.43,11.48,1.15,0.00,7.15,3.5 4,49.48,0.00
21.36,0.00,0.00,0.00,8.46,9.25,1.20,0.00,8.14,0.00 ,51.59,0.00
21.43,0.00,0.00,0.00,8.93,6.57,1.45,0.00,7.98,0.00 ,52.96,0.67
18.37,0.53,0.64,0.54,6.51,6.98,0.14,0.00,12.40,0.0 0,53.89,0.00
18.35,1.12,0.00,0.34,7.57,8.44,1.58,0.14,11.15,0.0 0,51.21,0.10
18.80,0.00,0.00,0.00,6.15,8.73,0.78,0.50,10.66,0.0 0,54.30,0.10
19.85,0.40,0.00,0.13,9.71,9.14,0.90,0.00,8.19,0.00 ,51.58,0.10

The average of these kits


19.02,0.48,0.21,0.16,8.18,8.91,0.81,0.09,9.21,0.40 ,52.42,0.14

[RatCat]

i really can't understand. yeah i know phenotype ≠ genotype but i am half ahıskan and also quarter georgian lol. despite how can i look so turkic. i proud my blood but really i can't understand. i guess my only way to find out the truth is to have a test.

or i have a theory. i think the ahıska people are not homogeneous and they vary a lot from family to family. i read an article about the history of ahıska related to this. maybe east eurasia percentege low because of due to the number of testers.

It could be but they are definitely a minority. According to Leto's results only 1 has %5 EE and rest of them has %0-1

[Mejgusu]

or i have a theory. i think the ahıska people are not homogeneous and they vary a lot from family to family. i read an article about the history of ahıska related to this. maybe east eurasia percentege low because of due to the number of testers.

I saw a lot of Ahiska Turkish results and besides of some individuals(up to 5%) they show barely any east eurasian. As far I know Ahiskas weren’t even mentioned in Ottoman sources. But the amount of east eurasian shouldn’t be important for you, still you are a Turk like everyone from Mugla to Igdir.

[placebo]

I saw a lot of Ahiska Turkish results and besides of some individuals(up to 5%) they show barely any east eurasian. As far I know Ahiskas weren’t even mentioned in Ottoman sources. But the amount of east eurasian shouldn’t be important for you, still you are a Turk like everyone from Mugla to Igdir.

zaten türklükle alakalı bir sıkıntım yok kaldı ki bildiğim kadarıyla başka ölçeklerde ahıskalıların bölgenin yerel halkı ile olan farklılıkları ortaya çıkıyor. senin gibi düşünüyorum ben de türklük konusunda zaten fakat benim kafamı karıştıran kısım neredeyse orta asyalı gibi gözüküyorum fakat bildiğim kökenlerimin doğu avrasya oranı düşük. ahıskada doğu avrasya oranı düşük gürcülerin zaten doğu avrasya oranı yok kalan 1/4 kısmım da bursalı manav. bu kökene bakınca böyle bir görüntü biraz garip geliyor insana.

[Edgü]

I saw a lot of Ahiska Turkish results and besides of some individuals(up to 5%) they show barely any east eurasian. As far I know Ahiskas weren’t even mentioned in Ottoman sources. But the amount of east eurasian shouldn’t be important for you, still you are a Turk like everyone from Mugla to Igdir.

Amına koyduğumun şoparı Hazaraları Moğol yapan şey ne o zaman ?

[Sterling Archer]

Hopefully hasn't been posted before. Have not been following Aiska Turks.
Ahiska Turk from Posof:

Gedrosia 21.06 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 0.26 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.41 Pct
Atlantic_Med 6.73 Pct
North_European 8.99 Pct
South_Asian 0.69 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 9.55 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 52.24 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.07 Pct

Distance to: Ahiska_Posof
2.41751939 Turk_Ahiska
6.05539429 Georgian
7.18164327 Udi_Azerbaijan
7.50886143 Abkhazian
7.87730284 Armenian_East
8.00201225 Hemshin
8.09200222 Laz
8.25872266 Georgian_Imereti
8.36478930 Georgian_Adjara
8.39571915 Georgian_Gurian
8.74316876 Turk_East_Black_Sea
8.98134177 Turk_East
9.84681674 Georgian_Svan
10.36920441 Ossetian_South
10.44204961 Georgian_Mingrelian
10.52313166 Greek_Pontus
11.28317774 Armenian_West
11.79671988 Adyghe
11.85709492 Zaza
12.04391132 Talysh_Azerbaijan
12.24220977 Ossetian
13.32825570 Azerbaijani_Turkey
13.44612584 Azeri_Jew
13.56450884 Assyrian_North
13.67027798 Kurd_Adygea

[Edgü]

Amına koyduğumun şoparı Hazaraları Moğol yapan şey ne o zaman ?

Muğla ve Iğdır arasında yaşamamaları mı xD

[placebo]

Amına koyduğumun şoparı Hazaraları Moğol yapan şey ne o zaman ?

konuyu kirletmeye gerek yok ama bence ikinizin bahsettiği türklük kavramları farklı. biriniz türkiye türklüğünden bahsediyor biriniz turkic kavramından.

[Sterling Archer]

Another one, this time from Rize. This one is quite remarkable, has 5% mongoloid, higher than some Azerbaijanis:

Gedrosia 19.21 Pct
Siberian 1.56 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 6.43 Pct
North_European 11.48 Pct
South_Asian 1.15 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 7.15 Pct
East_Asian 3.54 Pct
Caucasus 49.48 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Ahiska_Rize
6.58616732 Turk_Ahiska
7.14744710 Ossetian_South
7.26915401 Adyghe
7.54802623 Ossetian
7.58307326 Abkhazian
8.33054620 Udi_Azerbaijan
8.81989796 Georgian
8.91320930 Turk_East
9.35954059 Circassian
9.42566178 Karachay
10.01629672 Ingush
10.19085374 Abazin
10.39927401 Armenian_East
10.49841417 Georgian_Gurian
10.82725265 Balkar
10.94414912 Georgian_Svan
11.12997754 Turk_East_Black_Sea
11.15301753 Azerbaijani_Turkey
11.23826499 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
11.42077493 Georgian_Imereti
11.45539611 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
11.94031825 Hemshin
11.96129174 Laz
11.98566227 Kabardin
12.25213451 Talysh_Azerbaijan

[Edgü]

konuyu kirletmeye gerek yok ama bence ikinizin bahsettiği türklük kavramları farklı. biriniz türkiye türklüğünden bahsediyor biriniz turkic kavramından.

En kısa anlaşılır olduğunu düşündüğüm haliyle yazıyorum :writing_thinking:

Kimse *Türkiye Türklüğünden" ve Türk(ic) kavramından bahsetmiyor :typing

Bak büyük ve yeşil yazdım anlamanda kolaylık sağlıyordur umarım :D

Burada bahsedilen şey "Bütün Türk kavimlerinin Türklüğü" :)

Kısaca kertenkele çocuk genetik olarak diğer Orta Asya ve Türkistan Türkleriyle ortak plotlanan Hazaralara Moğol yaftası yapıştırıyor

>Peki bu ne anlama geliyor ?

-:lightbul:

1.Genetik olarak Hazaralara yakın Özbeklerin Türk olmayıp Moğol olduğu anlamına geliyor

2.Genetik olarak Hazaralara yakın Uygurların Türk olmayıp Moğol olduğu anlamına geliyor

3.Genetik olarak Hazaralara yakın "" Türk olmayıp Moğol olduğu anlamına geliyor

4. "" "" "" "" ""

5. "" "" "" "" ""

Geri kalan boşlukları sen doldurabilirsin :thumb001:

[placebo]

En kısa anlaşılır olduğunu düşündüğüm haliyle yazıyorum :writing_thinking:

Kimse *Türkiye Türklüğünden" ve Türk(ic) kavramından bahsetmiyor :typing

Bak büyük ve yeşil yazdım anlamanda kolaylık sağlıyordur umarım :D

Burada bahsedilen şey "Bütün Türk kavimlerinin Türklüğü" :)

Kısaca kertenkele çocuk genetik olarak diğer Orta Asya ve Türkistan Türkleriyle ortak plotlanan Hazaralara Moğol yaftası yapıştırıyor

>Peki bu ne anlama geliyor ?

-:lightbul:

1.Genetik olarak Hazaralara yakın Özbeklerin Türk olmayıp Moğol olduğu anlamına geliyor

2.Genetik olarak Hazaralara yakın Uygurların Türk olmayıp Moğol olduğu anlamına geliyor

3.Genetik olarak Hazaralara yakın "" Türk olmayıp Moğol olduğu anlamına geliyor

4. "" "" "" "" ""

5. "" "" "" "" ""

Geri kalan boşlukları sen doldurabilirsin :thumb001:

önceki tartışmanızın nerede geçtiğini veya ne olduğunu gram bilmiyorum pek umrumda da değil fakat diğer arkadaşın gördüğüm diğer postlarında hep türkiye türklüğü ile alakalı yorumlarını hatırlıyorum daha bugün ziya gökalpten bahsetmişti. beni alıntıladığı yorumda da doğu avrasya oranı hiç olmasa veya az olsa bile muğladan ığdıra kadar yaşayan herkes gibi türksün derken bunu kastetmek istedi bence. eğer şuan dediğini kastedip tatarları türk olarak görmüyorsa haklısın.

[Mejgusu]

Hazaras are descendants of the Ilkhanate. They don’t speak a Turkic language and are literally Iranified Mongols, also genetically. They could have absorbed Turkic elements which don’t make them Turkic. No serious historian would say that Hazaras are of Turkic origin, putting everyone in Central Asia into your own ethnic sphere is a foolish behavior. This is a thread about West/Centralasia which includes many ethnicities, so i think if someone is interested to give a opinion or whatever it should be in English since many non West/Centralasian are interested in this thread too. I think talking in a language which most here don’t understand is a bit unfair, since most non-English postings here are off topic. I think members who are active here on this thread can confirm that i have at least a basic information about most people whom results are showed here. And if someone is not agreeing with another’s opinion or posting everyone here is able to discuss with serious members. It is annoying that every 10 pages this guy is talking nonsense and some even are responding.

[Altaylı]

Hazaralar türklerle karıştığı için Türki kavimlere yakınlar
Hazaralar moğol kökenli bir halk

[reboun]

Why were Edgü and Gecko banned?

[Leto]

Why were Edgü and Gecko banned?
Edgü was clearly trolling but Gecko wasn't. Now it's Altayli's turn? :icon_ask:

[Sterling Archer]

Another Udi. Have no info about the country of origin.

Gedrosia 20.53 Pct
Siberian 2.38 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.58 Pct
Atlantic_Med 7.19 Pct
North_European 10.94 Pct
South_Asian 1.85 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 10.65 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 45.86 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Dere
4.41855180 Udi_Azerbaijan
5.92561389 Turk_East
7.40014865 Azerbaijani_Turkey
7.42979811 Zaza
7.88788945 Talysh_Azerbaijan
8.10993218 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
8.38150345 Turk_Ahiska
8.44771567 Azerbaijani_Iran
8.85700852 Azerbaijani
8.91430872 Armenian_East
9.02317572 Kurd_Kurmanji
9.34976470 Kurd_Adygea
9.44600445 Adyghe
10.15323594 Turk_Central_East
10.40953889 Turk_Southeast
10.57114469 Ossetian
10.63743390 Ingush
10.95724874 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
11.07752229 Yazidi
11.27174343 Kurd_Sorani
11.33971781 Ossetian_South
11.42688059 Iraq_Turkmen
11.43331535 Karachay
11.47035309 Circassian
11.51963541 Iranian

[Kyp]

Persian from Isfahan:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9a/IranEsfahan-SVG.svg/250px-IranEsfahan-SVG.svg.png

Gedrosian: 26.01
Siberian: 1.55
Northwest_African: 1.98
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 7.12
North_European: 8.10
South_Asian: 4.56
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 12.43
East_Asian: 0.82
Caucasian: 33.06
Sub_Saharan: 0.00

Distance to: Isfahan
3.04258114 Iran_Central
3.59685974 Yazidi
4.41270892 Kurd_Kurmanji
4.43037244 Kurd_Adygea
4.82268597 Iranian_Fars
4.93514944 Kurd_Sorani
5.12980506 Talysh_Azerbaijan
5.33073166 Iranian
5.51204136 Azerbaijani_Iran
5.53313654 Lur_Iran
6.17587241 Zaza
6.65195460 Iraq_Turkmen
6.94362297 Azerbaijani
6.95405637 Iran_C_East
7.51487192 Iran_Khorasan
7.87938449 Azerbaijani_Turkey
8.45600378 Azerbaijani_Northwest
8.61961136 Azerbaijani_North
8.87609712 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
9.48323257 Iran_Mazandaran
9.82950660 Turk_Southeast
10.92467391 Udi_Azerbaijan
12.10287569 Iraqi_Baghdad
12.59834116 Turk_East
12.97496435 Turk_Central_East

Target: Isfahan
Distance: 1.7705% / 1.77051964 | ADC: 0.5x RC
54.7 Iran_Central
22.9 Yazidi
11.3 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
7.5 Azerbaijani_Iran
3.6 Kurd_Kurmanji

Persian from Bushehr:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f8/IranBushehr-SVG.svg/250px-IranBushehr-SVG.svg.png

Gedrosian: 26.19
Siberian: 0.00
Northwest_African: 0.79
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 3.76
North_European: 10.73
South_Asian: 6.00
East_African: 1.74
Southwest_Asian: 15.19
East_Asian: 0.34
Caucasian: 35.25
Sub_Saharan: 0.00

Distance to: Bushehr
5.31679415 Iran_Central
5.40448888 Iranian_Fars
6.54035932 Iran_C_East
7.36097140 Kurd_Sorani
7.78763764 Iran_Khorasan
8.11215138 Yazidi
8.73867267 Kurd_Adygea
8.82147380 Lur_Iran
8.90769330 Kurd_Kurmanji
8.92896971 Iranian
9.09510308 Iraq_Turkmen
9.30814160 Talysh_Azerbaijan
9.67965908 Azerbaijani_Iran
10.40349941 Zaza
10.46017686 Azerbaijani
10.94344096 Azerbaijani_North
11.00173168 Iran_Mazandaran
11.13521890 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
11.99907913 Azerbaijani_Turkey
12.40395098 Azerbaijani_Northwest
12.90112398 Turk_Southeast
13.18686468 Iraqi_Baghdad
14.05873038 Iran_Arab
14.16554976 Parsi_India
14.71317437 Udi_Azerbaijan

Target: Bushehr
Distance: 2.2590% / 2.25897057 | ADC: 0.25x RC
36.3 Iran_C_East
29.8 Iran_Mazandaran
21.8 Tabasaran
12.1 Kuwait2

Gilaki from Gilan:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/13/Gilan_in_Iran.svg/1200px-Gilan_in_Iran.svg.png

Gedrosian: 30.23
Siberian: 0.80
Northwest_African: 1.33
Southeast_Asian: 0.62
Atlantic_Med: 4.40
North_European: 5.78
South_Asian: 3.50
East_African: 0.51
Southwest_Asian: 12.75
East_Asian: 1.09
Caucasian: 38.07
Sub_Saharan: 0.93

Distance to: Gilan
3.67138938 Iranian
4.41732951 Lur_Iran
4.92124984 Iran_Central
4.97908626 Iran_Mazandaran
5.45537350 Iranian_Fars
6.03653874 Yazidi
6.38762867 Kurd_Adygea
6.73014859 Talysh_Azerbaijan
7.40944667 Iran_C_East
7.50952062 Kurd_Sorani
7.94139786 Kurd_Kurmanji
8.89308720 Zaza
9.38835981 Iran_Khorasan
9.77797014 Iraq_Turkmen
9.81633333 Azerbaijani_Iran
11.57571164 Azerbaijani
12.18152289 Azerbaijani_Turkey
12.30995938 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
12.32135139 Azerbaijani_North
12.57829082 Azerbaijani_Northwest
13.63725412 Udi_Azerbaijan
14.54058458 Turk_Southeast
14.84200795 Iraqi_Baghdad
15.70659097 Parsi_India
16.02429406 Turk_East

Target: Gilan
Distance: 1.7981% / 1.79805001 | ADC: 0.25x RC
43.5 Iran_Mazandaran
35.6 Yazidi
12.6 Lur_Iran
8.3 Iran_Bandari

Kurd from Iran:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/Kurdistan_in_Iran.svg

Gedrosian: 24.97
Siberian: 0.00
Northwest_African: 0.00
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 6.18
North_European: 8.47
South_Asian: 5.29
East_African: 0.29
Southwest_Asian: 14.41
East_Asian: 0.00
Caucasian: 40.39
Sub_Saharan: 0.00


Distance to: Kurd
4.12943095 Kurd_Sorani
4.13745091 Kurd_Adygea
4.17276886 Talysh_Azerbaijan
4.47958703 Kurd_Kurmanji
4.88574457 Yazidi
4.89539580 Zaza
4.98100391 Iran_Central
5.73905044 Lur_Iran
5.75035651 Iranian
6.13885983 Iraq_Turkmen
6.60892578 Azerbaijani_Iran
7.02630771 Iranian_Fars
7.86652401 Azerbaijani
8.37257428 Azerbaijani_Turkey
8.58344919 Azerbaijani_North
9.01272434 Udi_Azerbaijan
9.47386933 Iran_C_East
9.66547464 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
9.83791645 Iran_Mazandaran
10.24280723 Azerbaijani_Northwest
10.35785209 Turk_Southeast
10.67070757 Iran_Khorasan
11.17365204 Turk_East
11.27167689 Iraqi_Baghdad
12.82849952 Mandean

Target: Kurd
Distance: 1.9173% / 1.91732613 | ADC: 0.25x RC
70.1 Kurd_Sorani
12.9 Iran_Mazandaran
8.9 Georgian_Gurian
6.5 Tabasaran
1.6 Pulliyar


50% Afshar from Zanjan 50%Persian:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ce/IranZanjan-SVG.svg/1200px-IranZanjan-SVG.svg.png

Gedrosian: 24.98
Siberian: 2.72
Northwest_African: 1.04
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 6.00
North_European: 8.41
South_Asian: 5.53
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 11.53
East_Asian: 3.64
Caucasian: 35.92
Sub_Saharan: 0.19

Distance to: Afshar/Persian
4.63134970 Iran_Central
5.52224592 Iranian_Fars
5.75630958 Azerbaijani_Iran
5.77409733 Iran_Khorasan
6.57335531 Azerbaijani
6.69988806 Yazidi
7.07636206 Kurd_Kurmanji
7.15263588 Iran_C_East
7.25837447 Talysh_Azerbaijan
7.30813246 Kurd_Sorani
7.46389309 Kurd_Adygea
7.48053474 Iranian
7.53731385 Azerbaijani_Northwest
7.80443464 Azerbaijani_Turkey
7.86390488 Iraq_Turkmen
7.86429272 Lur_Iran
8.63764435 Zaza
8.78230038 Azerbaijani_North
9.02258278 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
9.63786802 Turk_Southeast
10.96726037 Iran_Mazandaran
12.25039183 Turk_South
12.36461483 Turkmen_TM
12.74998824 Turk_Central_East
12.91013555 Udi_Azerbaijan

Target: Afshar/Persian
Distance: 1.8472% / 1.84720647 | ADC: 0.5x RC
47.4 Azerbaijani_Iran
44.8 Iran_Khorasan
7.8 Iranian_Fars

[Altaylı]

Edgü was clearly trolling but Gecko wasn't. Now it's Altayli's turn? :icon_ask:

:swl:dance::fou12001:
When i will get ban also Leto will come with me HAHAAHAHAHA!!:dev2:dev:evil

[Leto]

:swl:dance::fou12001:
When i will get ban also Leto will come with me HAHAAHAHAHA!!:dev2:dev:evil
I won't get banned, son. Gecko wasn't a fan of yours and yet he got banned, not you. Why is that?

[Altaylı]

I won't get banned, son. Gecko wasn't a fan of yours and yet he got banned, not you. Why is that?

Because.....













My iq is 145.72 :ninja:ninja

[Leto]

Because.....













My iq is 145.72 :ninja:ninja
That must be from your Mongoloid genes. I wanna see your Aralid Mongoloid percentage, please take a test. If it's less than 15%, your life will have to end.

[Altaylı]

That must be from your Mongoloid genes. I wanna see your Aralid Mongoloid percentage, please take a test. If it's less than 15%, your life will have to end.

I agree probably this is why my iq is high:cool:

[Leto]

I wonder what Kül Tegin would score. Looks Buryat or Kalmyk to me.

https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/50c2c1d5-c3fd-437e-9fe6-6d7b7e3c0d26/dbb9ipw-9cc9e596-4969-4385-93d8-e8ad0065baa3.png?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJ IUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOiIsImlzcyI6InVybjph cHA6Iiwib2JqIjpbW3sicGF0aCI6IlwvZlwvNTBjMmMxZDUtYz NmZC00MzdlLTlmZTYtNmQ3YjdlM2MwZDI2XC9kYmI5aXB3LTlj YzllNTk2LTQ5NjktNDM4NS05M2Q4LWU4YWQwMDY1YmFhMy5wbm cifV1dLCJhdWQiOlsidXJuOnNlcnZpY2U6ZmlsZS5kb3dubG9h ZCJdfQ.sbyW5V2-NWdAwVv70Gy9Bi6p1JAV3Mpa5cYkG9Ym-Ok
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kul_Tigin

[Sterling Archer]

Azerbaijani from Quba (following Kyp's example, with a map:)):
https://i.imgur.com/0Zm0yU8.png

Gedrosia 23.1 Pct
Siberian 2.28 Pct
Northwest_African 0.26 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.59 Pct
Atlantic_Med 7.72 Pct
North_European 16.58 Pct
South_Asian 1.37 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 7 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 41.11 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Azerbaijani_Quba
3.92235898 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
4.38086749 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
5.72996510 Ingush
6.00798635 Azerbaijani_North
6.01607015 Kumyk
6.91028943 Chechen
8.22688884 Adyghe
8.29355171 Kabardin
8.70615300 Lezgin
8.77665084 Abazin
8.82608634 Karachay
9.10513591 Circassian
9.18759490 Balkar
9.75083586 Ossetian
10.36729955 Azerbaijani_Turkey
10.53000000 Azerbaijani
10.74515240 Lak
10.76922467 Azerbaijani_Iran
11.23117536 Udi_Azerbaijan
11.39083403 Talysh_Azerbaijan
11.80736211 Zaza
12.08586778 Kurd_Kurmanji
12.08680272 Kubachi_Dagestan
12.25697353 Tabasaran
12.29068346 Avar

[Dr_Maul]

:focus:

Persian from Bushehr. He's Y-tested but I couldn't find the position on Yfull
J-FT148205

Population
Gedrosia 27.56 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 2.9 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.83 Pct
Atlantic_Med 5.28 Pct
North_European 9.67 Pct
South_Asian 5.71 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 15.55 Pct
East_Asian 1.4 Pct
Caucasus 31.11 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Target: Hussein
Distance: 2.7549% / 2.75485478 | ADC: 0.25x RC
64.4 Iranian_Fars
20.2 Yagnobi
8.6 Saudi
5.9 Balochi
0.9 Algerian

Distance to: Hussein
5.70197334 Iranian_Fars
6.93950286 Iran_Khorasan
9.56908042 Kurd_Sorani
9.69423540 Yazidi
10.53272994 Lur_Iran
10.98343753 Iraq_Turkmen
11.10526001 Kurd_Kurmanji
11.15507060 Kurd_Adygea
11.29745547 Iranian
11.68179781 Azerbaijani_Iran
12.31701668 Azerbaijani
12.40133461 Talysh_Azerbaijan
12.66221150 Parsi_India
12.97486416 Iran_Mazandaran
13.14285357 Zaza
13.82934199 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
14.16958362 Azerbaijani_Turkey
14.30890632 Iraqi_Baghdad
14.33668023 Iran_Bandari
14.39622173 Turk_Southeast
14.49488875 Turkmen_TM
14.55805962 Iran_Arab
15.23597716 Tajik_Herat
17.34321193 Iraqi_Arab
17.48833325 Turk_South

[Altaylı]

I wonder what Kül Tegin would score. Looks Buryat or Kalmyk to me.

https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/50c2c1d5-c3fd-437e-9fe6-6d7b7e3c0d26/dbb9ipw-9cc9e596-4969-4385-93d8-e8ad0065baa3.png?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJ IUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOiIsImlzcyI6InVybjph cHA6Iiwib2JqIjpbW3sicGF0aCI6IlwvZlwvNTBjMmMxZDUtYz NmZC00MzdlLTlmZTYtNmQ3YjdlM2MwZDI2XC9kYmI5aXB3LTlj YzllNTk2LTQ5NjktNDM4NS05M2Q4LWU4YWQwMDY1YmFhMy5wbm cifV1dLCJhdWQiOlsidXJuOnNlcnZpY2U6ZmlsZS5kb3dubG9h ZCJdfQ.sbyW5V2-NWdAwVv70Gy9Bi6p1JAV3Mpa5cYkG9Ym-Ok
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kul_Tigin

Probably will Similar to my results :cool:
What do you think about this facial reconstruction of gokturk khagan?
https://altynadamworld.com/en/exponaty/id/511

[Leto]

Probably will Similar to my results :cool:
What do you think about this facial reconstruction of gokturk khagan?
https://altynadamworld.com/en/exponaty/id/511
Interesting. He is basically described a Mongoloid-Caucasoid mix. In Russian Caucasoid is not used, they use Europoid instead. I wonder what his autosomal and Y DNA results are like.

[Yamyam]

I wonder what Kül Tegin would score. Looks Buryat or Kalmyk to me.

https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/50c2c1d5-c3fd-437e-9fe6-6d7b7e3c0d26/dbb9ipw-9cc9e596-4969-4385-93d8-e8ad0065baa3.png?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJ IUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOiIsImlzcyI6InVybjph cHA6Iiwib2JqIjpbW3sicGF0aCI6IlwvZlwvNTBjMmMxZDUtYz NmZC00MzdlLTlmZTYtNmQ3YjdlM2MwZDI2XC9kYmI5aXB3LTlj YzllNTk2LTQ5NjktNDM4NS05M2Q4LWU4YWQwMDY1YmFhMy5wbm cifV1dLCJhdWQiOlsidXJuOnNlcnZpY2U6ZmlsZS5kb3dubG9h ZCJdfQ.sbyW5V2-NWdAwVv70Gy9Bi6p1JAV3Mpa5cYkG9Ym-Ok
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kul_Tigin

Kül Tigin's mother was Chinese

[Leto]

Hazara

Gedrosia 15.94 Pct
Siberian 18.82 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 2.07 Pct
Atlantic_Med 1.94 Pct
North_European 10.45 Pct
South_Asian 8.36 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 1.77 Pct
East_Asian 28.1 Pct
Caucasus 12.56 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Farideh
6.35887569 Hazara
6.74181726 Uyghur
11.07712508 Uzbeki
11.18644716 Karakalpak
11.18720698 Nogai_Stavropol
13.17842555 Turkmen_Afghanistan
13.89145781 Kyrgyz_Pamir
14.31513884 Uzbek
14.65108870 Kazakh
15.68818026 Kyrgyz

Target: Farideh
Distance: 1.3026% / 1.30256440 | ADC: 0.25x RC
40.3 Hazara
38.5 Kyrgyz
8.2 Uzbeki
6.8 Georgian_Mingrelian
6.1 Chenchus
0.1 Uyghur


C-CTS3385

Gedrosia 17.4 Pct
Siberian 16.12 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 5.93 Pct
Atlantic_Med 4.85 Pct
North_European 12.55 Pct
South_Asian 6.89 Pct
East_African 0.11 Pct
Southwest_Asian -
East_Asian 23.37 Pct
Caucasus 12.78 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Mujtaba
7.77457394 Uzbeki
8.18994505 Uyghur
9.09556485 Uzbek
9.65621044 Hazara
9.96373424 Turkmen_Afghanistan
11.67214205 Nogai_Stavropol
12.15735580 Karakalpak
14.69918365 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
16.41922349 Nogai_Astrakhan
17.83509742 Kyrgyz_Pamir

Target: Mujtaba
Distance: 2.3631% / 2.36313252 | ADC: 0.25x RC
36.9 Hazara
34.4 Turkmen_Afghanistan
12.0 Uzbek
6.0 Nogai_Stavropol
5.0 PANIYA
3.5 Uyghur
2.2 Khasi

Target: Mujtaba
Distance: 2.8837% / 2.88365386 | ADC: 0.5x RC
53.9 Uzbeki
37.1 Hazara
6.3 PANIYA
2.7 Uzbek

[Sterling Archer]

Ahiska from Turkey:

Gedrosia 17.9 Pct
Siberian 1.04 Pct
Northwest_African 0.2 Pct
Southeast_Asian 1.22 Pct
Atlantic_Med 8.27 Pct
North_European 6.55 Pct
South_Asian 0.63 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 11.87 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 52.27 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Ahiska_Guvendi
3.62506552 Turk_Ahiska
4.32539016 Armenian_East
4.92250952 Turk_East_Black_Sea
5.24050570 Hemshin
6.01020798 Laz
6.47692828 Greek_Pontus
7.25370250 Turk_East
7.36864981 Armenian_West
7.56748968 Udi_Azerbaijan
7.91840893 Georgian_Adjara
8.35367584 Georgian
9.68809579 Georgian_Imereti
10.20432261 Assyrian_North
10.27432723 Azeri_Jew
10.50409444 Assyrian_West
10.55537778 Georgian_Gurian
10.73375517 Abkhazian
10.75316233 Assyrian_South
12.20069260 Georgian_Mingrelian
12.21046273 Zaza
12.76620147 Georgian_Svan
13.22919877 Azerbaijani_Turkey
13.31787896 Talysh_Azerbaijan
13.39549551 Greek_Cappadocia
13.69056244 Iranian_Jew

[Kyp]

EDIT

[placebo]

Ahiska from Turkey:

Gedrosia 17.9 Pct
Siberian 1.04 Pct
Northwest_African 0.2 Pct
Southeast_Asian 1.22 Pct
Atlantic_Med 8.27 Pct
North_European 6.55 Pct
South_Asian 0.63 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 11.87 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 52.27 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Ahiska_Guvendi
3.62506552 Turk_Ahiska
4.32539016 Armenian_East
4.92250952 Turk_East_Black_Sea
5.24050570 Hemshin
6.01020798 Laz
6.47692828 Greek_Pontus
7.25370250 Turk_East
7.36864981 Armenian_West
7.56748968 Udi_Azerbaijan
7.91840893 Georgian_Adjara
8.35367584 Georgian
9.68809579 Georgian_Imereti
10.20432261 Assyrian_North
10.27432723 Azeri_Jew
10.50409444 Assyrian_West
10.55537778 Georgian_Gurian
10.73375517 Abkhazian
10.75316233 Assyrian_South
12.20069260 Georgian_Mingrelian
12.21046273 Zaza
12.76620147 Georgian_Svan
13.22919877 Azerbaijani_Turkey
13.31787896 Talysh_Azerbaijan
13.39549551 Greek_Cappadocia
13.69056244 Iranian_Jew

could you please post if there is an example of georgian_adjara?

[Sterling Archer]

@Kyp At what level did you do the aggregation within the countries?

[Kyp]

@Kyp At what level did you do the aggregation within the countries?

I tried to do for every country and provinces. Obviously data for let's say Turkey, Azerbaijan and Iran is better than for other countries. Some provinces had to be aggregated.

Variation withing the provinces can't be considered obviously because of the template.


Edit: I forgot the Kurdish part of Syria for example

[Sterling Archer]

could you please post if there is an example of georgian_adjara?

Sorry, don't have any samples from Adjara.

[Sterling Archer]

I tried to do for every country and provinces. Obviously data for let's say Turkey, Azerbaijan and Iran is better than for other countries. Some provinces had to be aggregated.

Variation withing the provinces can't be considered obviously because of the template.


That is to be expected.
Just curious, any plans on adding the North Caucasus to this map? It is fairly well tested region and there are clear boundaries for the republics there.

[reboun]

Now it's Altayli's turn? :icon_ask:

I hope not :eek:

[Leto]

Afghan. Very little Mongoloid and Middle Eastern

Gedrosia 37.58 Pct
Siberian 1.54 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 3.3 Pct
North_European 14.64 Pct
South_Asian 21.68 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 2.08 Pct
East_Asian 0.28 Pct
Caucasus 18.9 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Nina
3.27469083 Pashtun_Uthmankhel
3.30112102 Pashtun_Tarkalani
3.91776722 Tajik_Panjshir&Kapisa
4.09259087 Pashtun_Yusafzai
5.63918434 Nuristani
6.13451710 Kalash
6.22054660 Kho
6.22323067 Pashtun_Kandahar
8.25425951 Tajik_Kabul
10.05497389 Sindhi_Hindu

Target: Nina
Distance: 2.3541% / 2.35414199 | ADC: 0.5x RC
43.0 Tajik_Panjshir&Kapisa
29.0 Pashtun_Yusafzai
21.8 Pashtun_Uthmankhel
6.2 Nuristani

[Leto]

That is to be expected.
Just curious, any plans on adding the North Caucasus to this map? It is fairly well tested region and there are clear boundaries for the republics there.
It will be 0-1% for them. Even in Armenia and Georgia.

[Altaylı]

I hope not :eek:

:grouphug: i love you my brother :)

[Sterling Archer]

Probably. Dagestanis have heavily invested in Gedrosia instead:)
Only Tabasaran and Kumyks (and Dagestani Azeris) score higher that 1% on average.

[Altaylı]

could you please post if there is an example of georgian_adjara?

There are georgian_adjara in dodecad k12b(average result)
Georgian_Adjara,19.54,0.59,0,0,7.8,4.1,0.54,0.05,8 .46,0.31,58.62,0
(Simsiyah olanlar doğu avrasya)

Distance to: Georgian_Adjara
3.69837802 Laz
4.53921799 Hemshin
4.97304736 Georgian_Imereti
6.29452937 Georgian
6.96685725 Turk_Ahiska
7.55353560 Turk_East_Black_Sea
7.64826124 Georgian_Mingrelian
7.83883920 Georgian_Gurian
8.66963667 Greek_Pontus
9.97821126 Georgian_Svan
10.39746604 Abkhazian
11.12161859 Armenian_East
12.91823517 Armenian_West
13.96625576 Udi_Azerbaijan
14.32852400 Turk_East
15.42428280 Ossetian_South
16.01645404 Assyrian_North
16.18077254 Azeri_Jew
16.34772767 Assyrian_West
16.59332697 Assyrian_South
18.14833877 Ossetian
18.30670096 Adyghe
18.31006827 Zaza
18.47696674 Greek_Cappadocia
18.63178735 Talysh_Azerbaijan

Target: Georgian_Adjara
Distance: 2.5612% / 2.56120702 | ADC: 0.25x RC
60.7 Laz
36.2 Georgian_Imereti
3.1 Iran_Mazandaran

[Dr_Maul]

Probably. Dagestanis have heavily invested in Gedrosia instead:)
Only Tabasaran and Kumyks (and Dagestani Azeris) score higher that 1% on average.

What is the map in question? it seems to be have edited out.

[Sterling Archer]

What is the map in question? it seems to be have edited out.

Kyp posted a map of South Asian admixture among the population of West Asia. It didn't have the North Caucasus, hence my question.

[reboun]

:grouphug: i love you my brother :)

Me too bro, I love you back :grouphug:

[Altaylı]

Doublr

[Altaylı]

Turk from Manisa(all of his/her ancestors from Manisa):
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR3CqWPwSBY7ftkIeJN_EXHwRcIiXx66 YzvgQ&usqp=CAU
Gedrosia 12.93 Pct
Siberian 5.31 Pct
Northwest_African 1.4
Southeast_Asian 2.36 Pct
Atlantic_Med 15.72 Pct
North_European 16.47 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African 1.33 Pct
Southwest_Asian 9.91 Pct
East_Asian 3.44 Pct
Caucasus 31.09 Pct
Sub_Saharan -


Target: Manisa
Distance: 1.8030% / 1.80297345 | ADC: 0.25x RC
48.4 Turk_Northwest
17.6 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
10.5 Italian_Apulia
8.5 Turk_Trakya
7.0 Yagnobi
3.6 Iraqi_Arab
2.2 Ethiopian
1.6 Dai
0.6 Spanish_Canarias

Karaboğa :cool:

[Altaylı]

Iraq,Turkmen
https://scontent.fesb2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/94351764_546021642970272_2298095592586346496_n.jpg ?_nc_cat=109&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=0Hv0H7iGZPAAX8v0GXM&_nc_ht=scontent.fesb2-1.fna&oh=9264a788f440d25820bf87f37904d501&oe=606AE644
i am not sure that result posted before

[Altaylı]

MA2195 Ottoman :cool:
An Ottoman Turk result from 1400-1600 AD :cool:
He is from Central Anatolia Kırşehir :cool:
Gedrosia 11.62 Pct
Siberian 22.95 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 6.87 Pct
North_European 19.68 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 0.75 Pct
East_Asian 24.61 Pct
Caucasus 13.41 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.13 Pct

Distance to: OTTOMAN
6.75857233 Nogai_Stavropol
6.96827812 Karakalpak
7.47665032 Nogai_Astrakhan
11.64553133 Turkmen_Afghanistan
12.35340034 Kazakh
12.72848381 Tatar_Siberia
12.87935557 Uzbeki
14.18598604 Tubalar
14.57820291 Bashkir_South
15.41960765 Kyrgyz_Pamir
15.61818812 Uyghur
15.64541786 Uzbek
16.14852934 Altaian_Chelkan
16.71938097 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe
17.03699211 Kyrgyz
18.14460250 Hazara
18.25487880 Shor
20.37753174 Khakass
20.55526210 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
22.19180029 Altaian_Telengit
22.66550463 Lipka_Tatar
22.82168267 Altaian_Kizhi
23.40761628 Bashkir_Central
24.34951129 Tatar_Zabolotniye
27.17373180 Turkmen_Iran

Target: OTTOMAN
Distance: 3.0321% / 3.03206817 | ADC: 0.25x RC
46.0 Nogai_Astrakhan
28.4 Tubalar
18.3 Nogai
7.3 Turkmen_Afghanistan

[Altaylı]

MA2195 Ottoman :cool:
An Ottoman Turk result from 1400-1600 AD :cool:
He is from Central Anatolia Kırşehir :cool:
Gedrosia 11.62 Pct
Siberian 22.95 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 6.87 Pct
North_European 19.68 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 0.75 Pct
East_Asian 24.61 Pct
Caucasus 13.41 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.13 Pct

Distance to: OTTOMAN
6.75857233 Nogai_Stavropol
6.96827812 Karakalpak
7.47665032 Nogai_Astrakhan
11.64553133 Turkmen_Afghanistan
12.35340034 Kazakh
12.72848381 Tatar_Siberia
12.87935557 Uzbeki
14.18598604 Tubalar
14.57820291 Bashkir_South
15.41960765 Kyrgyz_Pamir
15.61818812 Uyghur
15.64541786 Uzbek
16.14852934 Altaian_Chelkan
16.71938097 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe
17.03699211 Kyrgyz
18.14460250 Hazara
18.25487880 Shor
20.37753174 Khakass
20.55526210 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
22.19180029 Altaian_Telengit
22.66550463 Lipka_Tatar
22.82168267 Altaian_Kizhi
23.40761628 Bashkir_Central
24.34951129 Tatar_Zabolotniye
27.17373180 Turkmen_Iran

Target: OTTOMAN
Distance: 3.0321% / 3.03206817 | ADC: 0.25x RC
46.0 Nogai_Astrakhan
28.4 Tubalar
18.3 Nogai
7.3 Turkmen_Afghanistan

Is that OTTOMAN good example for non mixed Oghuz Turk?
Proto Oghuz Turks were like that?

[Altaylı]

MA2195 Ottoman :cool:
An Ottoman Turk result from 1400-1600 AD :cool:
He is from Central Anatolia Kırşehir :cool:
Gedrosia 11.62 Pct
Siberian 22.95 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 6.87 Pct
North_European 19.68 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 0.75 Pct
East_Asian 24.61 Pct
Caucasus 13.41 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.13 Pct

Distance to: OTTOMAN
6.75857233 Nogai_Stavropol
6.96827812 Karakalpak
7.47665032 Nogai_Astrakhan
11.64553133 Turkmen_Afghanistan
12.35340034 Kazakh
12.72848381 Tatar_Siberia
12.87935557 Uzbeki
14.18598604 Tubalar
14.57820291 Bashkir_South
15.41960765 Kyrgyz_Pamir
15.61818812 Uyghur
15.64541786 Uzbek
16.14852934 Altaian_Chelkan
16.71938097 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe
17.03699211 Kyrgyz
18.14460250 Hazara
18.25487880 Shor
20.37753174 Khakass
20.55526210 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
22.19180029 Altaian_Telengit
22.66550463 Lipka_Tatar
22.82168267 Altaian_Kizhi
23.40761628 Bashkir_Central
24.34951129 Tatar_Zabolotniye
27.17373180 Turkmen_Iran

Target: OTTOMAN
Distance: 3.0321% / 3.03206817 | ADC: 0.25x RC
46.0 Nogai_Astrakhan
28.4 Tubalar
18.3 Nogai
7.3 Turkmen_Afghanistan

Is that OTTOMAN good example for non mixed Oghuz Turk?
Proto Oghuz Turks were like that?

[Leto]

Is that OTTOMAN good example for non mixed Oghuz Turk?
Proto Oghuz Turks were like that?
He does seem to lack any Middle Eastern admixture. Similar to Nogais.

[Altaylı]

Another Early medieval Turk Kimak DA87
https://scontent.fesb4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/125036486_135313768347691_4483049877153814209_o.jp g?_nc_cat=107&ccb=3&_nc_sid=07e735&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_ohc=vA-Mi0XTa4QAX_Q52VX&_nc_ht=scontent.fesb4-1.fna&tp=14&oh=6d3e9a892101f15390acce0e2752854b&oe=606125D4

So proto Oghuz Turks were more like that?

[Kaspias]

@Altaylı

I'm speculating the odds here as we do not have a legit sample yet. In my view, DA87 is a decent example for the "tribe founder" Oghuz, which called "İç Oğuz" in Divanı Lügatıt Türk. MA2195, on the other hand, could be of the "Dış Oğuz" that is of Salur origin or a Khwarezmian refugee escaped from Mongols.

These tests have no radiocarbon and the date given (1400-1600) just an estimation. So they could be from any period, MA2196 seems to be from the Beylik Era, for example.

What we are sure that our old method to use DA89 is not applicable anymore, and MA2195 also does not fit the modern Anatolian Turks, while DA87 gets a "pass" model in qpAdm.

[Sterling Archer]

Tsakhur(not sure, but likely) from Azerbaijan:

Population
Gedrosia 24.87 Pct
Siberian 2.38 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 4.2 Pct
North_European 18.87 Pct
South_Asian 1.11 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 5.52 Pct
East_Asian 1.36 Pct
Caucasus 41.15 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.55 Pct

Distance to: Tsakhur
2.57060304 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
4.54401805 Chechen
4.89177882 Ingush
5.44787114 Kumyk
5.64351841 Lezgin
6.70563196 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
7.57225858 Lak
8.70009195 Kubachi_Dagestan
8.72946161 Balkar
8.78223206 Karachay
8.92882411 Azerbaijani_North
8.93508254 Adyghe
9.17811527 Kabardin
9.22030911 Avar
9.41533855 Tabasaran
9.43932201 Abazin
9.53399706 Circassian
9.96855055 Kaitag_Dagestan
9.97652244 Ossetian
10.96557796 Dargin
12.22514213 Ossetian_South
13.89548488 Talysh_Azerbaijan
13.93794461 Azerbaijani_Turkey
13.94069941 Azerbaijani
14.00827613 Azerbaijani_Iran

[Leto]

Afghan, 18 percent North European

Gedrosia 35.49 Pct
Siberian 3.24 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 1.46 Pct
North_European 18.09 Pct
South_Asian 17.16 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 2.32 Pct
East_Asian 0.92 Pct
Caucasus 21.33 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Fezza
4.16078118 Pashtun_Kandahar
5.83856147 Tajik_Panjshir&Kapisa
7.54394459 Kho
7.58761491 Pashtun_Tarkalani
7.78016067 Pashtun_Uthmankhel
8.69237022 Tajik_Kabul
8.94585379 Pamiri_Ishkashim
9.51176640 Nuristani
9.55367992 Kalash
9.93486789 Pashtun_Yusafzai

Target: Fezza
Distance: 1.6148% / 1.61476099 | ADC: 0.5x RC
52.9 Kho
31.0 Pashtun_Kandahar
16.1 Dargin

Distance to: Fezza
1.28659615 75.80% Kalash + 24.20% Kumyk
1.39270113 19.60% Chechen + 80.40% Kho
1.39552214 77.00% Kho + 23.00% Lezgin
1.41884305 19.00% Ingush + 81.00% Kho
1.46714962 80.00% Kho + 20.00% Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
1.49683820 22.40% Kabardin + 77.60% Kalash
1.57803200 21.80% Balkar + 78.20% Kalash
1.62808235 21.80% Abazin + 78.20% Kalash
1.70360599 21.40% Circassian + 78.60% Kalash
1.72101614 83.80% Kho + 16.20% Ossetian_South


Half Pashtun half German
photo (https://wirsindmitmenschen.de/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Karin_Issberner-Dorothea-Karin_-89_2-1024x682.jpg)

Gedrosia 23.69 Pct
Siberian 0.67 Pct
Northwest_African 0.1 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.86 Pct
Atlantic_Med 19.31 Pct
North_European 30.84 Pct
South_Asian 10.61 Pct
East_African 0.22 Pct
Southwest_Asian 1.87 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 11.84 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Karin
1.47787743 49.20% Icelandic + 50.80% Pashtun_Tarkalani
1.59567467 49.80% German_Northwest + 50.20% Pashtun_Tarkalani
1.61651379 49.40% German_Northwest + 50.60% Pashtun_Uthmankhel
1.70513076 49.60% Icelandic + 50.40% Tajik_Panjshir&Kapisa
1.76200368 49.80% Pashtun_Tarkalani + 50.20% Scottish
1.76777880 49.80% English_North + 50.20% Pashtun_Tarkalani
1.79111290 48.60% Danish + 51.40% Tajik_Panjshir&Kapisa
1.82559225 48.80% Icelandic + 51.20% Pashtun_Uthmankhel
1.88285991 52.00% English_South + 48.00% Kalash
1.92639628 52.40% Dutch + 47.60% Kalash

[Alexandro]

Free my nigga, Gecko :pout:

[Sterling Archer]

Azerbaijani from the Republic.

Gedrosia 20.6 Pct
Siberian 2.75 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.3 Pct
Atlantic_Med 9.3 Pct
North_European 11.42 Pct
South_Asian 2.22 Pct
East_African 0.41 Pct
Southwest_Asian 10.21 Pct
East_Asian 2.06 Pct
Caucasus 40.74 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Sarkhan
3.51742804 Azerbaijani_Turkey
3.56029493 Azerbaijani_North
4.16575323 Azerbaijani
4.87981557 Azerbaijani_Iran
5.21956895 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
6.24185870 Turk_Southeast
6.75402843 Turk_Central_East
7.00342773 Zaza
7.24600580 Kurd_Kurmanji
7.24765479 Udi_Azerbaijan
7.45301281 Turk_East
7.79744189 Talysh_Azerbaijan
7.90633923 Turk_South
8.24970302 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
8.45460821 Kurd_Adygea
8.81306984 Turk_Central_West
9.10879794 Yazidi
9.62523246 Iraq_Turkmen
9.70330356 Kurd_Sorani
10.12806990 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
10.40692558 Turk_West_BlackSea
10.81019426 Kumyk
10.96061586 Ingush
10.96552324 Iranian
11.13033243 Adyghe

[Sterling Archer]

double

[Dr_Maul]

n=6 Ethnic Persians, from different regions. If you are interested in Kit numbers I can send them

East1,29.37,2.43,0.5,0.55,3.71,9.12,7.65,0.65,13.2 3,0.36,31.5,0.94
East2,26.97,0.63,3.71,0,8.3,9.34,6.82,0,8.78,0.45, 34.63,0.38

South1,27.79,0.47,0.94,0.71,5.05,7.59,5.27,1.29,14 .31,0.7,35.07,0.8
South2,27.98,1.54,2.43,0,4.14,6.69,6.34,1.65,13.11 ,0,35.53,0.57

West1,25.26,0.75,2.65,0,5.29,10.29,4.89,0,12.29,1. 72,36.86,0
West2,27.37,3.34,2.56,0.74,5.33,5.75,2.85,0.24,9.4 6,0,42.31,0