Dodecad k12b West & Central Asian results Vol 4.

[Zagrosian]

These are 4 results of Kurds from my linguistically and religiously diverse but (seemingly) autosomally homogeneous home town of Sarpole Zahab, Kermanshah province, Iran. Or Sarpeli Zahaw as it's locally known. It's where the ancient town of Hulwan used to be.
Historically we have strong ties to Kalar & Diyala/Sirwan river on the other side of the Iran-Iraq border, besides the other towns in the Kermanshah province of course.
https://imgur.com/EYy9eDi.jpg

Language: Central & Southern Kurdish, formerly Gorani
Tribal background: Jaf, Goran, Kalhor
Religious background: Sunni, Shia, Yarsanism


https://imgur.com/OlsAZEX.jpg https://imgur.com/9oY8wcB.jpg https://imgur.com/MlRrABc.jpg https://imgur.com/fBSXif6.jpg

Very similar results despite the linguistic and religious diversity, but this is not entirely surprising.
The mass conversion to Shi'ism in Kermanshah occurred very late compared to other provinces. Qajar, as opposed to the Savafid period. Also, intermarriages between the different religious groups are common compared to elsewhere in Middle East

It's pretty ordinary West Iranian results, but one thing that stands out for me is the relatively high Atlantic_Med score.
It's higher than among most Kurds who live much further west and even higher than among some Assyrians.
I associate high Atlantic_Med score among Middle Easterners with Levantine admixture, but I don't notice any Levant-shift in this case. The oracles on the GEDMatch calculators prefer Iranian/Kurdish + a tiny bit of Sardinian, Greek or some other Mediterranean group.
That seemed ridiculous at first considering the geographical distance but not as implausible after I took a look at the Wiki page of Hulwan:


Hulwan (Persian: حلوان) was an ancient town on the Zagros Mountains in western Iran, located on the entrance of the Paytak Pass, nowadays identified with the town of Sarpol-e Zahab.
History

Later Arab tradition, as recorded by al-Tabari, considered the town a Sasanian foundation dating to Kavadh I (reigned 488–496, 498–531), but it is far more ancient: it was known since Assyrian times as Khalmanu, when it lay on the border between Babylonia and Media.[1] To the Seleucids, it was known as Chala (Greek: Χάλα) and was the capital of the district of Chalonitis (Χαλωνῖτις).[1][2][3] According to Diodorus Siculus, the name derives from the settlement of Greek captives from Boeotia by Xerxes, who founded the town of Celonae or Kelonai (Κέλωναι).[3]

Under the Sasanian Empire, the district of Hulwan was called [Khusraw] Shad Peroz ("the joy of Khusraw the victorious"), and the city itself probably Peroz Kavad ("victorious Kavad"). After the Muslim conquest of Persia, the words were Arabicized and became known as: [Khusraw] Shadh Firuz and Firuz Qubadh. Although like the rest of Media it belonged to the quarter (kust) of the North, under Khosrau II (r. 590–628) it was included in the quarter of the West, along with Mesopotamia, as the Sasanian rulers began to use the Zagros Mountains as a summer retreat away from the capital of Ctesiphon on the Mesopotamian plain.[4]

After the Battle of Qadisiyya in 636, the last Sasanian ruler, Yazdegerd III (r. 632–651), took refuge in Hulwan for a while during his flight from Ctesiphon.[1][5] After another heavy defeat at the Battle of Jalula in 637, Yazdegerd left Hulwan for the eastern provinces of his realm,[6][7] and the town fell into the hands of the pursuing Arabs under Jarir ibn Abdallah Bajali in 640.[8] In the early 640s, the town was of strategic importance as a frontier post between the Mesopotamian lowlands and the still Sasanian-controlled Iranian plateau, and was garrisoned by troops, including Persian defectors (the Khamra), who were settled there under the Rashidun caliphs.[4]

In the early Islamic period, until the 10th century, the town is described "as a flourishing town in a fertile district producing much fruit" (L. Lockhart).[1] It was situated on the Khurasan Road, and was the first town of the Jibal province to be met travelling eastwards from Baghdad.[9] Nevertheless, as in Sasanian times, it was fiscally tied to the Mesopotamian lowlands (the Sawad).[10] Under Mu'awiya I (r. 661–680) it became the capital of western Jibal (Mah al-Kufa).[10]

According to the 10th-century traveller Ibn Hawqal, the town was half the size of Dinavar, and its houses were built of both stone and bricks. Though the climate was hot, dates, pomegranates and figs grew abundantly. According to the 10th-century hudud al-'alam the town's figs were dried and widely exported, while al-Muqaddasi adds that the town was surrounded by a wall with eight gates, and included, alongside a mosque, a Jewish synagogue.[11]

The town was also a metropolitan province of the Church of the East between the 8th and 12th centuries.

Around the turn of the 11th century, the town was governed by the semi-independent Annazid dynasty, until they were expelled by the Kakuyids.[1][12] It was taken and burned by the Seljuq Turks in 1046, while an earthquake in 1049 completed the town's destruction. Although rebuilt, it never recovered its former prosperity, and is now the town of Sarpol-e Zahab.[1]

[Zagrosian]

The Vahaduo site as we've known it has ceased to exist.

Yes, it has been massively downgraded - I'm not sure why it was presented as some kind of upgrade.
I can live without Davidski's standard calculator, which was of no use for West Asians anyway, but the updated spreadsheets for K12b and K13, and the G25 samples were very useful.

[Arzanene]

Yes, it has been massively downgraded - I'm not sure why it was presented as some kind of upgrade.
I can live without Davidski's standard calculator, which was of no use for West Asians anyway, but the updated spreadsheets for K12b and K13, and the G25 samples were very useful.


Not downgraded. Github vahaduo is owned by a different person and he accused the vahaduo.genetics.ovh(the one with all the gedmatch calculators) site owner of stealing his calculator. then he took legal action and removed the site from google search results a few months ago but you could still access it with the URL. and now he has claimed the domain and erased the ovh site. he even went as far as deleting the ovh site from the archives in wayback machine by writing a complaint to wayback machine to take them down.

From his reddit posts I think he did this because the ovh site was more popular and was getting more traffic and profit. and he was jealous and felt entitled to getting more money than him. he first removed the google search to fool people into searching vahaduo and going to the github site instead. but when that didn't work and people still went to the ovh site he decided to do this.

honestly I am angered by this, the Github owner has destroyed vahaduo.genetics.ovh out of jealousy and an inferiority complex. he put out an arrogant message calling us "lazy" for relying on preset populations such as mdlp k16. dodecad k12...ect. I suggest people here not to use the github site don't give traffic to the website.

[Kyp]

These are 4 results of Kurds from my linguistically and religiously diverse but (seemingly) autosomally homogeneous home town of Sarpole Zahab, Kermanshah province, Iran. Or Sarpeli Zahaw as it's locally known. It's where the ancient town of Hulwan used to be.
Historically we have strong ties to Kalar & Diyala/Sirwan river on the other side of the Iran-Iraq border, besides the other towns in the Kermanshah province of course.
https://imgur.com/EYy9eDi.jpg

Language: Central & Southern Kurdish, formerly Gorani
Tribal background: Jaf, Goran, Kalhor
Religious background: Sunni, Shia, Yarsanism


https://imgur.com/OlsAZEX.jpg https://imgur.com/9oY8wcB.jpg https://imgur.com/MlRrABc.jpg https://imgur.com/fBSXif6.jpg

Very similar results despite the linguistic and religious diversity, but this is not entirely surprising.
The mass conversion to Shi'ism in Kermanshah occurred very late compared to other provinces. Qajar, as opposed to the Savafid period. Also, intermarriages between the different religious groups are common compared to elsewhere in Middle East

It's pretty ordinary West Iranian results, but one thing that stands out for me is the relatively high Atlantic_Med score.
It's higher than among most Kurds who live much further west and even higher than among some Assyrians.
I associate high Atlantic_Med score among Middle Easterners with Levantine admixture, but I don't notice any Levant-shift in this case. The oracles on the GEDMatch calculators prefer Iranian/Kurdish + a tiny bit of Sardinian, Greek or some other Mediterranean group.
That seemed ridiculous at first considering the geographical distance but not as implausible after I took a look at the Wiki page of Hulwan:

Very nice. Can you say which of the results is which group?

[Zagrosian]

Very nice. Can you say which of the results is which group?

The groups are intertwined due to conversions, several language replacements and tribal merging from the Safavid into the Qajar era so it's a bit hard to draw a line, but..

This one is Kalhor. Shia. Speaks Southern Kurdish.
https://imgur.com/9oY8wcB.jpg

This one is mine, which I have also previously posted. I'm from a merging of Jaf and Goran. Sunni background, but also a few conversions from Yarsanism and Shiism. I speak a local version of Central Kurdish(Sorani), which is a lot like Sanandaji/Ardalani but has heavier Kalhori and Gorani influence. Then again, Sanandaji dialect(Sorani) in itself is a Kurmanji-Gorani hybrid.
https://imgur.com/MlRrABc.jpg

This one is from a very similar background as me. Jaf. Sunni. Central Kurdish dialect.
https://imgur.com/OlsAZEX.jpg
Here's her cousin's results which I didn't share in the previous post. His combined Atlantic-Med and North-Euro scores are remarkably lower than hers and ours. It might be the calculator effect since his Caucasus score is higher. Or he has grandparents with Lor ancestry, which is not uncommon in the region.
https://i.imgur.com/EAFSf3G.jpg

Goran. Yarsan. Southern Kurdish dialect, grandparents spoke Gorani, which is considered a different language than Kurmanji. What's weird is that Kurmanji and Persian/Luri languages are in many ways closer to eachother than to the Gorani and Sorani languages/dialects that are geographically in-between.
https://imgur.com/fBSXif6.jpg

[Zagrosian]

Not downgraded. Github vahaduo is owned by a different person and he accused the vahaduo.genetics.ovh(the one with all the gedmatch calculators) site owner of stealing his calculator. then he took legal action and removed the site from google search results a few months ago but you could still access it with the URL. and now he has claimed the domain and erased the ovh site. he even went as far as deleting the ovh site from the archives in wayback machine by writing a complaint to wayback machine to take them down.

From his reddit posts I think he did this because the ovh site was more popular and was getting more traffic and profit. and he was jealous and felt entitled to getting more money than him. he first removed the google search to fool people into searching vahaduo and going to the github site instead. but when that didn't work and people still went to the ovh site he decided to do this.

honestly I am angered by this, the Github owner has destroyed vahaduo.genetics.ovh out of jealousy and an inferiority complex. he put out an arrogant message calling us "lazy" for relying on preset populations such as mdlp k16. dodecad k12...ect. I suggest people here not to use the github site don't give traffic to the website.

Ah, I see. Thanks, now it all makes sense.
I was wondering what could possibly be the dangers of having access to these lists and calculators. Why is he pretending that this is good news? I guess the danger was him losing out on traffic to the other site.

He does deserve immense credit for coding the Vahaduo calculator - I also really like the CustomPCA. But we need a page with lists of modern and ancient individual and avg coordinates and scores in different calculators, for reference and comparisons. It's not only very convenient, it improves the calculators.
Why can't he add a section to his site that offers the same things as what genetics.ovh used to offer?

Luckily I have saved a bunch of ancient and modern K12B and G25 coordinates, but not as many as I would like to have.
Does anyone of you still have the updated K12b or individual modern/ancient G25 scaled coordinates?

[Kyp]

The groups are intertwined due to conversions, several language replacements and tribal merging from the Safavid into the Qajar era so it's a bit hard to draw a line, but..

This one is Kalhor. Shia. Speaks Southern Kurdish.
https://imgur.com/9oY8wcB.jpg

This one is mine, which I have also previously posted. I'm from a merging of Jaf and Goran. Sunni background, but also a few conversions from Yarsanism and Shiism. I speak a local version of Central Kurdish(Sorani), which is a lot like Sanandaji/Ardalani but has heavier Kalhori and Gorani influence. Then again, Sanandaji dialect(Sorani) in itself is a Kurmanji-Gorani hybrid.
https://imgur.com/MlRrABc.jpg

This one is from a very similar background as me. Jaf. Sunni. Central Kurdish dialect.
https://imgur.com/OlsAZEX.jpg
Here's her cousin's results which I didn't share in the previous post. His combined Atlantic-Med and North-Euro scores are remarkably lower than hers and ours. It might be the calculator effect since his Caucasus score is higher. Or he has grandparents with Lor ancestry, which is not uncommon in the region.
https://i.imgur.com/EAFSf3G.jpg

Goran. Yarsan. Southern Kurdish dialect, grandparents spoke Gorani, which is considered a different language than Kurmanji. What's weird is that Kurmanji and Persian/Luri languages are in many ways closer to eachother than to the Gorani and Sorani languages/dialects that are geographically in-between.
https://imgur.com/fBSXif6.jpg

Great! Let me know if you have any other Iranian results

[Zagrosian]

Great! Let me know if you have any other Iranian results

I've been looking for other Iranian results myself.

Does anyone have any results from Ahvaz/Abadan Persians? I've seen many results from Khuzestani Lors and Arabs but not urban Persians.

Or how about Persian/Tat from NW Iran?

[Leto]

This one is mine, which I have also previously posted. I'm from a merging of Jaf and Goran. Sunni background, but also a few conversions from Yarsanism and Shiism. I speak a local version of Central Kurdish(Sorani), which is a lot like Sanandaji/Ardalani but has heavier Kalhori and Gorani influence. Then again, Sanandaji dialect(Sorani) in itself is a Kurmanji-Gorani hybrid.
https://imgur.com/MlRrABc.jpg

If you have G25 coordinates, please run this model for me


KAZ_Aktogai_MLBA,0.1238396,0.1092712,0.057247,0.08 03624,0.006832,0.0277774,0.0055462,0.0020308,-0.0176302,-0.028356,-0.0004872,-0.0001198,0.0004164,-0.0231206,0.0219864,0.0119594,-0.007171,-0.001723,-0.0012318,0.0021012,-0.0054654,0.00413,-0.0005918,0.0059282,-0.0022992
MNG_Ulaanzuukh_Slab_Grave,0.0247883,-0.4316,0.0744604,-0.0324077,-0.0641144,-0.0424223,0.0110716,0.0203838,0.0101353,0.0177378,-0.0425639,-0.0023647,-0.000165,0.0003823,4.51e-05,-0.0017383,0.0008403,-0.0046594,-0.0001953,0.0198567,-0.0247064,-0.0017723,-0.0200073,-0.0059041,0.0012639
RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA,0.037562,-0.424491,0.154997,0.001938,-0.14495,-0.085341,0.019506,0.031845,0.028633,0.005832,0.086 878,-0.00015,0.011298,-0.04803,-0.045466,-0.027711,0.000261,0.006714,0.004148,-0.009379,0.026204,0.001607,0.002218,0.004338,0.008 502
IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2,0.043708,-0.0327002,-0.170006,0.0950268,-0.1047582,0.0568936,0.0063452,0.0041998,0.0056858, 0.0067428,-0.0051964,0.0079128,-0.0018436,-0.0031928,0.0098534,0.0097852,-0.0023732,0.0025084,0.0016342,-0.0142568,0.0029694,-0.0125136,-0.0011832,-0.0119052,0.001317
IRN_Tepe_Hissar_C,0.0780205,0.0973985,-0.1210557,-0.0128319,-0.0964655,0.0129052,0.0135666,-0.0041957,-0.0710069,-0.0366129,-0.0049454,-0.0008311,-0.0011082,-0.0034781,0.0189268,0.0286995,-0.0069221,0.0043305,0.0072791,-0.0235001,0.0067043,-0.0146134,-0.0055349,-0.0227852,0.01339
TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA,0.1050018,0.1515678,-0.042332,-0.082365,-0.0040775,-0.0274705,-0.0024088,-0.0077882,-0.011402,0.028429,0.0097435,0.007006,-0.0120788,0.0030965,-0.0138435,-0.004475,0.0116693,-0.0021538,0.0087988,-0.00741,-0.0031817,0.0061828,-0.0048065,0.0030725,-0.001407
Levant_Megiddo_MLBA,0.0861261,0.1455592,-0.0646134,-0.1002072,-0.014596,-0.0394563,-0.0045434,-0.0097249,0.0131382,0.0089382,0.0103465,-0.0088707,0.0219027,0.0020119,-0.007316,0.005411,-0.0024898,0.004217,0.0036812,0.0073607,0.0047534,0 .0040982,-0.0049357,-0.0025361,-0.0014427
KEN_Nyarindi_3500BP,-0.528139,0.049761,-0.012445,0.010013,-0.016926,0.008367,0.098469,-0.08192,0.06422,-0.052848,-0.013316,0.018733,-0.029583,-0.011973,0.017372,-0.007425,0.027902,0.03978,-0.008925,-0.004127,-0.005865,0.017806,-0.007518,0.003494,0.00467
CHN_Yellow_River_LN,0.0166466,-0.4503874,0.0109365,-0.0657709,0.0545101,0.0217886,0.0037894,0.0012404,-0.0097149,0.0040092,-0.0851524,-0.0100032,0.0123945,-0.0059179,-0.0088896,-0.000895,0.001483,-0.0003801,-0.0048392,-0.0075191,0.0172975,0.007543,0.0128639,-0.0006476,0.0073496

[Zagrosian]

If you have G25 coordinates, please run this model for me


I don't, unfortunately.
Are IllustrativeDNA the only ones who offer G25 coordinates?

[Leto]

I don't, unfortunately.
Are IllustrativeDNA the only ones who offer G25 coordinates?
No problem. I don't know anything about Illustrative, have never used that service.

[Melonman]

Two tajiks from Uzbekistan(first one is from Samarkand, second one has the haplogroups M5a2a, and R1a1a):



1 Caucasus 30.22
2 Gedrosia 22.92
3 North_European 12.26
4 Southwest_Asian 10.09
5 East_Asian 7.97
6 South_Asian 7.27
7 Siberian 3.9
8 Atlantic_Med 3.84
9 Sub_Saharan 1.51
10 East_African 0.03




1 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 7.44
2 Iranian (Dodecad) 15.11
3 Iranians (Behar) 15.62
4 Kurd (Dodecad) 16.13
5 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 17.37
6 Tajiks (Yunusbayev) 17.51
7 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 18.8
8 Turks (Behar) 19.02
9 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 20.02
10 Turkish (Dodecad) 20.73
11 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 20.78
12 Lezgins (Behar) 23.03
13 Lebanese (Behar) 25.58
14 Chechens (Yunusbayev) 25.74
15 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 26.21
16 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 26.55
17 Iranian_Jews (Behar) 26.6
18 Syrians (Behar) 26.61
19 Uzbeks (Behar) 26.87
20 Assyrian (Dodecad) 27.18






1 87.6% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 12.4% Yemenese (Behar) @ 5.53
2 91.1% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 8.9% Yemen_Jews (Behar) @ 5.68
3 84.6% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 15.4% Syrians (Behar) @ 5.74
4 86.7% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 13.3% Palestinian (HGDP) @ 5.74
5 88.4% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 11.6% Samaritians (Behar) @ 5.75
6 64.3% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 35.7% Druze (HGDP) @ 5.75
7 89.3% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 10.7% Bedouin (HGDP) @ 5.77
8 85.9% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 14.1% Jordanians (Behar) @ 5.85
9 68.6% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 31.4% Samaritians (Behar) @ 5.86
10 88.5% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 11.5% Egyptans (Behar) @ 5.88
11 84.5% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 15.5% Lebanese (Behar) @ 5.88
12 87.3% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 12.7% Druze (HGDP) @ 6.06
13 93.3% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 6.7% Saudis (Behar) @ 6.09
14 88.2% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 11.8% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) @ 6.18
15 87.8% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 12.2% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) @ 6.19
16 65.5% Iranian (Dodecad) + 34.5% Uzbeks (Behar) @ 6.24
17 88.6% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 11.4% Cypriots (Behar) @ 6.25
18 83.6% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 16.4% Turkish (Dodecad) @ 6.35
19 82.4% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 17.6% Turks (Behar) @ 6.38
20 89.3% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 10.7% Greek (Dodecad) @ 6.39














1 Gedrosia 22.07
2 Caucasus 16.91
3 North_European 15.85
4 East_Asian 14.94
5 Siberian 10.02
6 South_Asian 8.92
7 Southwest_Asian 4.85
8 Southeast_Asian 3.32
9 Atlantic_Med 3.13






1 Uzbeks (Behar) 13.19
2 Tajiks (Yunusbayev) 14.41
3 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 15.94
4 Hazara (HGDP) 19.55
5 Uygur (HGDP) 19.7
6 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 22.94
7 Burusho (HGDP) 28.52
8 Iranians (Behar) 30.43
9 Iranian (Dodecad) 30.55
10 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 30.71
11 Pathan (HGDP) 30.86
12 Kurd (Dodecad) 31.53
13 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 33.07
14 Turks (Behar) 33.13
15 Lezgins (Behar) 33.91
16 Turkish (Dodecad) 34.19
17 Bnei_Menashe_Jews (Behar) 35.5
18 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 36.55
19 Jatt (Dodecad) 36.75
20 Chechens (Yunusbayev) 36.92






1 52.7% Uzbeks (Behar) + 47.3% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 5.81
2 72.3% Uzbeks (Behar) + 27.7% Pathan (HGDP) @ 6.35
3 59.1% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 40.9% Uygur (HGDP) @ 6.52
4 56% Uzbeks (Behar) + 44% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 6.71
5 59.4% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 40.6% Hazara (HGDP) @ 7.34
6 56.4% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 43.6% Uygur (HGDP) @ 7.36
7 76.1% Uzbeks (Behar) + 23.9% Bnei_Menashe_Jews (Behar) @ 7.46
8 76.8% Uzbeks (Behar) + 23.2% Jatt (Dodecad) @ 7.47
9 83.8% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 16.2% Hezhen (HGDP) @ 7.49
10 83.9% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 16.1% Daur (HGDP) @ 7.52
11 73.2% Uzbeks (Behar) + 26.8% Iranians (Behar) @ 7.58
12 83.4% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 16.6% Oroqen (HGDP) @ 7.71
13 83.2% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 16.8% Mongola (HGDP) @ 7.75
14 84% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 16% Xibo (HGDP) @ 7.78
15 79.5% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 20.5% Mongol (Rasmussen) @ 7.84
16 79.3% Uzbeks (Behar) + 20.7% Sindhi (HGDP) @ 7.92
17 56.4% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 43.6% Hazara (HGDP) @ 7.98
18 73.8% Uzbeks (Behar) + 26.2% Iranian (Dodecad) @ 8.08
19 72.4% Uzbeks (Behar) + 27.6% Burusho (HGDP) @ 8.08
20 83.9% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 16.1% Tu (HGDP) @ 8.34

[Melonman]

Makhachkala, Dagestan, Russia:





Gedrosia 28.59 Pct
Siberian 0.49 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.4 Pct
Atlantic_Med 4.62 Pct
North_European 26.2 Pct
South_Asian 2.35 Pct
East_African 0.58 Pct
Southwest_Asian -
East_Asian 0.19 Pct
Caucasus 36.04 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.53 Pct






1 Lezgins (Behar) 10.08
2 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 15.26
3 Chechens (Yunusbayev) 16.12
4 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 20.26
5 Tajiks (Yunusbayev) 21.45
6 Adygei (HGDP) 22.05
7 Iranian (Dodecad) 22.38
8 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 22.44
9 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 23.19
10 North_Ossetians (Yunusbayev) 23.41
11 Kurd (Dodecad) 23.44
12 Balkars (Yunusbayev) 23.44
13 Iranians (Behar) 24.45
14 Turks (Behar) 25.14
15 Turkish (Dodecad) 26.21
16 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 29.02
17 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 31.35
18 Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) 31.97
19 Romanians (Behar) 32.48
20 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 32.82







1 85.4% Lezgins (Behar) + 14.6% Argyll (1000Genomes) @ 4.95
2 85.8% Lezgins (Behar) + 14.2% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 5.05
3 85.8% Lezgins (Behar) + 14.2% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 5.06
4 85.8% Lezgins (Behar) + 14.2% Irish (Dodecad) @ 5.08
5 85.9% Lezgins (Behar) + 14.1% British (Dodecad) @ 5.22
6 85.8% Lezgins (Behar) + 14.2% Cornwall (1000Genomes) @ 5.26
7 85.6% Lezgins (Behar) + 14.4% English (Dodecad) @ 5.33
8 85.5% Lezgins (Behar) + 14.5% CEU30 (1000Genomes) @ 5.33
9 85.5% Lezgins (Behar) + 14.5% Kent (1000Genomes) @ 5.37
10 86% Lezgins (Behar) + 14% British_Isles (Dodecad) @ 5.39
11 84.7% Lezgins (Behar) + 15.3% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) @ 5.44
12 85.2% Lezgins (Behar) + 14.8% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 5.44
13 86.4% Lezgins (Behar) + 13.6% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 5.46
14 86.3% Lezgins (Behar) + 13.7% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 5.63
15 84.6% Lezgins (Behar) + 15.4% German (Dodecad) @ 5.98
16 85.9% Lezgins (Behar) + 14.1% French (HGDP) @ 6.08
17 72.2% Lezgins (Behar) + 27.8% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 6.26
18 90% Lezgins (Behar) + 10% Pais_Vasco (1000Genomes) @ 6.62
19 84.9% Lezgins (Behar) + 15.1% Jatt (Dodecad) @ 6.71
20 87.8% Lezgins (Behar) + 12.2% Cataluna (1000Genomes) @ 6.75

[Kyp]

Two tajiks from Uzbekistan(first one is from Samarkand, second one has the haplogroups M5a2a, and R1a1a):



1 Caucasus 30.22
2 Gedrosia 22.92
3 North_European 12.26
4 Southwest_Asian 10.09
5 East_Asian 7.97
6 South_Asian 7.27
7 Siberian 3.9
8 Atlantic_Med 3.84
9 Sub_Saharan 1.51
10 East_African 0.03




1 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 7.44
2 Iranian (Dodecad) 15.11
3 Iranians (Behar) 15.62
4 Kurd (Dodecad) 16.13
5 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 17.37
6 Tajiks (Yunusbayev) 17.51
7 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 18.8
8 Turks (Behar) 19.02
9 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 20.02
10 Turkish (Dodecad) 20.73
11 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 20.78
12 Lezgins (Behar) 23.03
13 Lebanese (Behar) 25.58
14 Chechens (Yunusbayev) 25.74
15 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 26.21
16 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 26.55
17 Iranian_Jews (Behar) 26.6
18 Syrians (Behar) 26.61
19 Uzbeks (Behar) 26.87
20 Assyrian (Dodecad) 27.18






1 87.6% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 12.4% Yemenese (Behar) @ 5.53
2 91.1% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 8.9% Yemen_Jews (Behar) @ 5.68
3 84.6% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 15.4% Syrians (Behar) @ 5.74
4 86.7% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 13.3% Palestinian (HGDP) @ 5.74
5 88.4% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 11.6% Samaritians (Behar) @ 5.75
6 64.3% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 35.7% Druze (HGDP) @ 5.75
7 89.3% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 10.7% Bedouin (HGDP) @ 5.77
8 85.9% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 14.1% Jordanians (Behar) @ 5.85
9 68.6% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 31.4% Samaritians (Behar) @ 5.86
10 88.5% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 11.5% Egyptans (Behar) @ 5.88
11 84.5% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 15.5% Lebanese (Behar) @ 5.88
12 87.3% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 12.7% Druze (HGDP) @ 6.06
13 93.3% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 6.7% Saudis (Behar) @ 6.09
14 88.2% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 11.8% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) @ 6.18
15 87.8% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 12.2% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) @ 6.19
16 65.5% Iranian (Dodecad) + 34.5% Uzbeks (Behar) @ 6.24
17 88.6% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 11.4% Cypriots (Behar) @ 6.25
18 83.6% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 16.4% Turkish (Dodecad) @ 6.35
19 82.4% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 17.6% Turks (Behar) @ 6.38
20 89.3% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 10.7% Greek (Dodecad) @ 6.39














1 Gedrosia 22.07
2 Caucasus 16.91
3 North_European 15.85
4 East_Asian 14.94
5 Siberian 10.02
6 South_Asian 8.92
7 Southwest_Asian 4.85
8 Southeast_Asian 3.32
9 Atlantic_Med 3.13






1 Uzbeks (Behar) 13.19
2 Tajiks (Yunusbayev) 14.41
3 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 15.94
4 Hazara (HGDP) 19.55
5 Uygur (HGDP) 19.7
6 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 22.94
7 Burusho (HGDP) 28.52
8 Iranians (Behar) 30.43
9 Iranian (Dodecad) 30.55
10 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 30.71
11 Pathan (HGDP) 30.86
12 Kurd (Dodecad) 31.53
13 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 33.07
14 Turks (Behar) 33.13
15 Lezgins (Behar) 33.91
16 Turkish (Dodecad) 34.19
17 Bnei_Menashe_Jews (Behar) 35.5
18 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 36.55
19 Jatt (Dodecad) 36.75
20 Chechens (Yunusbayev) 36.92






1 52.7% Uzbeks (Behar) + 47.3% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 5.81
2 72.3% Uzbeks (Behar) + 27.7% Pathan (HGDP) @ 6.35
3 59.1% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 40.9% Uygur (HGDP) @ 6.52
4 56% Uzbeks (Behar) + 44% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 6.71
5 59.4% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 40.6% Hazara (HGDP) @ 7.34
6 56.4% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 43.6% Uygur (HGDP) @ 7.36
7 76.1% Uzbeks (Behar) + 23.9% Bnei_Menashe_Jews (Behar) @ 7.46
8 76.8% Uzbeks (Behar) + 23.2% Jatt (Dodecad) @ 7.47
9 83.8% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 16.2% Hezhen (HGDP) @ 7.49
10 83.9% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 16.1% Daur (HGDP) @ 7.52
11 73.2% Uzbeks (Behar) + 26.8% Iranians (Behar) @ 7.58
12 83.4% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 16.6% Oroqen (HGDP) @ 7.71
13 83.2% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 16.8% Mongola (HGDP) @ 7.75
14 84% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 16% Xibo (HGDP) @ 7.78
15 79.5% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 20.5% Mongol (Rasmussen) @ 7.84
16 79.3% Uzbeks (Behar) + 20.7% Sindhi (HGDP) @ 7.92
17 56.4% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 43.6% Hazara (HGDP) @ 7.98
18 73.8% Uzbeks (Behar) + 26.2% Iranian (Dodecad) @ 8.08
19 72.4% Uzbeks (Behar) + 27.6% Burusho (HGDP) @ 8.08
20 83.9% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 16.1% Tu (HGDP) @ 8.34

Updated for both:

Distance to: Tajik_Samarkand
8.67133784 Iranian_Khorasan
8.99396464 Turkmen_Iran
12.13785401 Iranian_Kerman
12.43377658 Azerbaijani_Iran
12.54619863 Iranian_Fars
12.70973249 Iranian_Central
12.92445357 Iranian_Zoroastrian
12.98904154 Tajik_Herat
13.44383874 Azerbaijani_Republic
13.51929362 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
14.09918792 Azerbaijani_Turkey
14.23487970 Kurd_Kermanshah
14.23664286 Tajik_Mountain
14.54925428 Turk_Southeast
14.74394113 Turk_South
15.21986202 Kurd_Sorani
15.29328284 Turkmen_Iraq
15.43089110 Yazidi_Kurd
15.44485027 Tajik_Lowland
15.62130596 Kurd_Kurmanji
15.69065646 Dersim
15.70480818 Turkmen_Turkmenistan
15.91329319 Talysh_Azerbaijan
15.93973965 Turk_Southwest
15.96241836 Parsi_India


Distance to: Tajik_uzbekistan
7.23306989 Turkmen_Turkmenistan
7.87551903 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
8.63199282 Turkmen_Iran
9.41304945 Uzbek
10.57490898 Tajik_Mountain
11.95216298 Uzbeki
13.09349075 Tajik_Lowland
13.10642590 Turkmen_Afghanistan
16.20382979 Tajik_Herat
17.61767011 Pamiri_Wakhan
18.83943470 Yaghnobi_Tajikistan
19.35798802 Uyghur_Xinjiang
19.51400523 Tajik_Kabul
19.56042944 Pamiri_Shughnan
19.74562230 Pamiri_Ishkashim
20.15358033 Pamiri_Rushan
20.15785207 Nogai
20.47225195 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe
20.92501852 Iranian_Khorasan
21.99128918 Hazara
22.15259804 Pashtun_Kandahar
23.15750418 Turk_Northwest
23.57799186 Nogai_Stavropol
23.64879278 Turk_Southwest
24.57163812 Iranian_Kerman

[Leto]

Two tajiks from Uzbekistan(first one is from Samarkand, second one has the haplogroups M5a2a, and R1a1a):



1 Caucasus 30.22
2 Gedrosia 22.92
3 North_European 12.26
4 Southwest_Asian 10.09
5 East_Asian 7.97
6 South_Asian 7.27
7 Siberian 3.9
8 Atlantic_Med 3.84
9 Sub_Saharan 1.51
10 East_African 0.03




1 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 7.44
2 Iranian (Dodecad) 15.11
3 Iranians (Behar) 15.62
4 Kurd (Dodecad) 16.13
5 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 17.37
6 Tajiks (Yunusbayev) 17.51
7 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 18.8
8 Turks (Behar) 19.02
9 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 20.02
10 Turkish (Dodecad) 20.73
11 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 20.78
12 Lezgins (Behar) 23.03
13 Lebanese (Behar) 25.58
14 Chechens (Yunusbayev) 25.74
15 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 26.21
16 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 26.55
17 Iranian_Jews (Behar) 26.6
18 Syrians (Behar) 26.61
19 Uzbeks (Behar) 26.87
20 Assyrian (Dodecad) 27.18






1 87.6% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 12.4% Yemenese (Behar) @ 5.53
2 91.1% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 8.9% Yemen_Jews (Behar) @ 5.68
3 84.6% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 15.4% Syrians (Behar) @ 5.74
4 86.7% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 13.3% Palestinian (HGDP) @ 5.74
5 88.4% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 11.6% Samaritians (Behar) @ 5.75
6 64.3% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 35.7% Druze (HGDP) @ 5.75
7 89.3% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 10.7% Bedouin (HGDP) @ 5.77
8 85.9% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 14.1% Jordanians (Behar) @ 5.85
9 68.6% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 31.4% Samaritians (Behar) @ 5.86
10 88.5% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 11.5% Egyptans (Behar) @ 5.88
11 84.5% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 15.5% Lebanese (Behar) @ 5.88
12 87.3% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 12.7% Druze (HGDP) @ 6.06
13 93.3% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 6.7% Saudis (Behar) @ 6.09
14 88.2% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 11.8% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) @ 6.18
15 87.8% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 12.2% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) @ 6.19
16 65.5% Iranian (Dodecad) + 34.5% Uzbeks (Behar) @ 6.24
17 88.6% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 11.4% Cypriots (Behar) @ 6.25
18 83.6% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 16.4% Turkish (Dodecad) @ 6.35
19 82.4% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 17.6% Turks (Behar) @ 6.38
20 89.3% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 10.7% Greek (Dodecad) @ 6.39














1 Gedrosia 22.07
2 Caucasus 16.91
3 North_European 15.85
4 East_Asian 14.94
5 Siberian 10.02
6 South_Asian 8.92
7 Southwest_Asian 4.85
8 Southeast_Asian 3.32
9 Atlantic_Med 3.13






1 Uzbeks (Behar) 13.19
2 Tajiks (Yunusbayev) 14.41
3 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 15.94
4 Hazara (HGDP) 19.55
5 Uygur (HGDP) 19.7
6 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 22.94
7 Burusho (HGDP) 28.52
8 Iranians (Behar) 30.43
9 Iranian (Dodecad) 30.55
10 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 30.71
11 Pathan (HGDP) 30.86
12 Kurd (Dodecad) 31.53
13 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 33.07
14 Turks (Behar) 33.13
15 Lezgins (Behar) 33.91
16 Turkish (Dodecad) 34.19
17 Bnei_Menashe_Jews (Behar) 35.5
18 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 36.55
19 Jatt (Dodecad) 36.75
20 Chechens (Yunusbayev) 36.92






1 52.7% Uzbeks (Behar) + 47.3% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 5.81
2 72.3% Uzbeks (Behar) + 27.7% Pathan (HGDP) @ 6.35
3 59.1% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 40.9% Uygur (HGDP) @ 6.52
4 56% Uzbeks (Behar) + 44% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 6.71
5 59.4% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 40.6% Hazara (HGDP) @ 7.34
6 56.4% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 43.6% Uygur (HGDP) @ 7.36
7 76.1% Uzbeks (Behar) + 23.9% Bnei_Menashe_Jews (Behar) @ 7.46
8 76.8% Uzbeks (Behar) + 23.2% Jatt (Dodecad) @ 7.47
9 83.8% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 16.2% Hezhen (HGDP) @ 7.49
10 83.9% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 16.1% Daur (HGDP) @ 7.52
11 73.2% Uzbeks (Behar) + 26.8% Iranians (Behar) @ 7.58
12 83.4% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 16.6% Oroqen (HGDP) @ 7.71
13 83.2% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 16.8% Mongola (HGDP) @ 7.75
14 84% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 16% Xibo (HGDP) @ 7.78
15 79.5% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 20.5% Mongol (Rasmussen) @ 7.84
16 79.3% Uzbeks (Behar) + 20.7% Sindhi (HGDP) @ 7.92
17 56.4% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 43.6% Hazara (HGDP) @ 7.98
18 73.8% Uzbeks (Behar) + 26.2% Iranian (Dodecad) @ 8.08
19 72.4% Uzbeks (Behar) + 27.6% Burusho (HGDP) @ 8.08
20 83.9% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 16.1% Tu (HGDP) @ 8.34
I know the former which is a very atypical sample but the latter is news to me. Share his kit number please.
Makhachkala is pretty cool too, that guy must be an Avar or Lak. An interior Dagestani highlander.

[Melonman]

I know the former which is a very atypical sample but the latter is news to me. Share his kit number please.
Makhachkala is pretty cool too, that guy must be an Avar or Lak. An interior Dagestani highlander.


I can do that.
Could you also share me some of the central asian kits you posted? Like all the ones you posted in this page(im interested in the central asians the most, including mongols, but i dont mind the afghan and iranian too):

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?341277-Dodecad-k12b-West-amp-Central-Asian-results-Vol-4/page124


And also this tajik you posted on this page?

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?341277-Dodecad-k12b-West-amp-Central-Asian-results-Vol-4/page126

Very rare kits to find

[Leto]

I can do that.
Could you also share me some of the central asian kits you posted? Like all the ones you posted in this page(im interested in the central asians the most, including mongols, but i dont mind the afghan and iranian too):

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?341277-Dodecad-k12b-West-amp-Central-Asian-results-Vol-4/page124


And also this tajik you posted on this page?

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?341277-Dodecad-k12b-West-amp-Central-Asian-results-Vol-4/page126

Very rare kits to find
Only later. I can't do it at the moment. By the way, let's not spam this thread, it's already fucking large.

[Melonman]

Only later. I can't do it at the moment. By the way, let's not spam this thread, it's already fucking large.

Ok. I can send the kits later too in pm's, when i find them again

[Babak]

Two tajiks from Uzbekistan(first one is from Samarkand, second one has the haplogroups M5a2a, and R1a1a):



1 Caucasus 30.22
2 Gedrosia 22.92
3 North_European 12.26
4 Southwest_Asian 10.09
5 East_Asian 7.97
6 South_Asian 7.27
7 Siberian 3.9
8 Atlantic_Med 3.84
9 Sub_Saharan 1.51
10 East_African 0.03




1 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 7.44
2 Iranian (Dodecad) 15.11
3 Iranians (Behar) 15.62
4 Kurd (Dodecad) 16.13
5 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 17.37
6 Tajiks (Yunusbayev) 17.51
7 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 18.8
8 Turks (Behar) 19.02
9 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 20.02
10 Turkish (Dodecad) 20.73
11 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 20.78
12 Lezgins (Behar) 23.03
13 Lebanese (Behar) 25.58
14 Chechens (Yunusbayev) 25.74
15 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 26.21
16 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 26.55
17 Iranian_Jews (Behar) 26.6
18 Syrians (Behar) 26.61
19 Uzbeks (Behar) 26.87
20 Assyrian (Dodecad) 27.18






1 87.6% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 12.4% Yemenese (Behar) @ 5.53
2 91.1% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 8.9% Yemen_Jews (Behar) @ 5.68
3 84.6% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 15.4% Syrians (Behar) @ 5.74
4 86.7% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 13.3% Palestinian (HGDP) @ 5.74
5 88.4% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 11.6% Samaritians (Behar) @ 5.75
6 64.3% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 35.7% Druze (HGDP) @ 5.75
7 89.3% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 10.7% Bedouin (HGDP) @ 5.77
8 85.9% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 14.1% Jordanians (Behar) @ 5.85
9 68.6% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 31.4% Samaritians (Behar) @ 5.86
10 88.5% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 11.5% Egyptans (Behar) @ 5.88
11 84.5% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 15.5% Lebanese (Behar) @ 5.88
12 87.3% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 12.7% Druze (HGDP) @ 6.06
13 93.3% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 6.7% Saudis (Behar) @ 6.09
14 88.2% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 11.8% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) @ 6.18
15 87.8% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 12.2% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) @ 6.19
16 65.5% Iranian (Dodecad) + 34.5% Uzbeks (Behar) @ 6.24
17 88.6% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 11.4% Cypriots (Behar) @ 6.25
18 83.6% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 16.4% Turkish (Dodecad) @ 6.35
19 82.4% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 17.6% Turks (Behar) @ 6.38
20 89.3% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 10.7% Greek (Dodecad) @ 6.39














1 Gedrosia 22.07
2 Caucasus 16.91
3 North_European 15.85
4 East_Asian 14.94
5 Siberian 10.02
6 South_Asian 8.92
7 Southwest_Asian 4.85
8 Southeast_Asian 3.32
9 Atlantic_Med 3.13






1 Uzbeks (Behar) 13.19
2 Tajiks (Yunusbayev) 14.41
3 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 15.94
4 Hazara (HGDP) 19.55
5 Uygur (HGDP) 19.7
6 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 22.94
7 Burusho (HGDP) 28.52
8 Iranians (Behar) 30.43
9 Iranian (Dodecad) 30.55
10 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 30.71
11 Pathan (HGDP) 30.86
12 Kurd (Dodecad) 31.53
13 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 33.07
14 Turks (Behar) 33.13
15 Lezgins (Behar) 33.91
16 Turkish (Dodecad) 34.19
17 Bnei_Menashe_Jews (Behar) 35.5
18 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 36.55
19 Jatt (Dodecad) 36.75
20 Chechens (Yunusbayev) 36.92






1 52.7% Uzbeks (Behar) + 47.3% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 5.81
2 72.3% Uzbeks (Behar) + 27.7% Pathan (HGDP) @ 6.35
3 59.1% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 40.9% Uygur (HGDP) @ 6.52
4 56% Uzbeks (Behar) + 44% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 6.71
5 59.4% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 40.6% Hazara (HGDP) @ 7.34
6 56.4% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 43.6% Uygur (HGDP) @ 7.36
7 76.1% Uzbeks (Behar) + 23.9% Bnei_Menashe_Jews (Behar) @ 7.46
8 76.8% Uzbeks (Behar) + 23.2% Jatt (Dodecad) @ 7.47
9 83.8% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 16.2% Hezhen (HGDP) @ 7.49
10 83.9% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 16.1% Daur (HGDP) @ 7.52
11 73.2% Uzbeks (Behar) + 26.8% Iranians (Behar) @ 7.58
12 83.4% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 16.6% Oroqen (HGDP) @ 7.71
13 83.2% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 16.8% Mongola (HGDP) @ 7.75
14 84% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 16% Xibo (HGDP) @ 7.78
15 79.5% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 20.5% Mongol (Rasmussen) @ 7.84
16 79.3% Uzbeks (Behar) + 20.7% Sindhi (HGDP) @ 7.92
17 56.4% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 43.6% Hazara (HGDP) @ 7.98
18 73.8% Uzbeks (Behar) + 26.2% Iranian (Dodecad) @ 8.08
19 72.4% Uzbeks (Behar) + 27.6% Burusho (HGDP) @ 8.08
20 83.9% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 16.1% Tu (HGDP) @ 8.34

Very interesting results. Didnt expect tajiks to be that close to Iranians.

[Mejgusu]

Two tajiks from Uzbekistan(first one is from Samarkand, second one has the haplogroups M5a2a, and R1a1a):



1 Caucasus 30.22
2 Gedrosia 22.92
3 North_European 12.26
4 Southwest_Asian 10.09
5 East_Asian 7.97
6 South_Asian 7.27
7 Siberian 3.9
8 Atlantic_Med 3.84
9 Sub_Saharan 1.51
10 East_African 0.03




1 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 7.44
2 Iranian (Dodecad) 15.11
3 Iranians (Behar) 15.62
4 Kurd (Dodecad) 16.13
5 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 17.37
6 Tajiks (Yunusbayev) 17.51
7 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 18.8
8 Turks (Behar) 19.02
9 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 20.02
10 Turkish (Dodecad) 20.73
11 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 20.78
12 Lezgins (Behar) 23.03
13 Lebanese (Behar) 25.58
14 Chechens (Yunusbayev) 25.74
15 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 26.21
16 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 26.55
17 Iranian_Jews (Behar) 26.6
18 Syrians (Behar) 26.61
19 Uzbeks (Behar) 26.87
20 Assyrian (Dodecad) 27.18






1 87.6% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 12.4% Yemenese (Behar) @ 5.53
2 91.1% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 8.9% Yemen_Jews (Behar) @ 5.68
3 84.6% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 15.4% Syrians (Behar) @ 5.74
4 86.7% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 13.3% Palestinian (HGDP) @ 5.74
5 88.4% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 11.6% Samaritians (Behar) @ 5.75
6 64.3% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 35.7% Druze (HGDP) @ 5.75
7 89.3% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 10.7% Bedouin (HGDP) @ 5.77
8 85.9% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 14.1% Jordanians (Behar) @ 5.85
9 68.6% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 31.4% Samaritians (Behar) @ 5.86
10 88.5% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 11.5% Egyptans (Behar) @ 5.88
11 84.5% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 15.5% Lebanese (Behar) @ 5.88
12 87.3% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 12.7% Druze (HGDP) @ 6.06
13 93.3% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 6.7% Saudis (Behar) @ 6.09
14 88.2% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 11.8% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) @ 6.18
15 87.8% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 12.2% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) @ 6.19
16 65.5% Iranian (Dodecad) + 34.5% Uzbeks (Behar) @ 6.24
17 88.6% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 11.4% Cypriots (Behar) @ 6.25
18 83.6% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 16.4% Turkish (Dodecad) @ 6.35
19 82.4% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 17.6% Turks (Behar) @ 6.38
20 89.3% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 10.7% Greek (Dodecad) @ 6.39














1 Gedrosia 22.07
2 Caucasus 16.91
3 North_European 15.85
4 East_Asian 14.94
5 Siberian 10.02
6 South_Asian 8.92
7 Southwest_Asian 4.85
8 Southeast_Asian 3.32
9 Atlantic_Med 3.13






1 Uzbeks (Behar) 13.19
2 Tajiks (Yunusbayev) 14.41
3 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 15.94
4 Hazara (HGDP) 19.55
5 Uygur (HGDP) 19.7
6 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 22.94
7 Burusho (HGDP) 28.52
8 Iranians (Behar) 30.43
9 Iranian (Dodecad) 30.55
10 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 30.71
11 Pathan (HGDP) 30.86
12 Kurd (Dodecad) 31.53
13 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 33.07
14 Turks (Behar) 33.13
15 Lezgins (Behar) 33.91
16 Turkish (Dodecad) 34.19
17 Bnei_Menashe_Jews (Behar) 35.5
18 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 36.55
19 Jatt (Dodecad) 36.75
20 Chechens (Yunusbayev) 36.92






1 52.7% Uzbeks (Behar) + 47.3% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 5.81
2 72.3% Uzbeks (Behar) + 27.7% Pathan (HGDP) @ 6.35
3 59.1% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 40.9% Uygur (HGDP) @ 6.52
4 56% Uzbeks (Behar) + 44% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 6.71
5 59.4% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 40.6% Hazara (HGDP) @ 7.34
6 56.4% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 43.6% Uygur (HGDP) @ 7.36
7 76.1% Uzbeks (Behar) + 23.9% Bnei_Menashe_Jews (Behar) @ 7.46
8 76.8% Uzbeks (Behar) + 23.2% Jatt (Dodecad) @ 7.47
9 83.8% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 16.2% Hezhen (HGDP) @ 7.49
10 83.9% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 16.1% Daur (HGDP) @ 7.52
11 73.2% Uzbeks (Behar) + 26.8% Iranians (Behar) @ 7.58
12 83.4% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 16.6% Oroqen (HGDP) @ 7.71
13 83.2% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 16.8% Mongola (HGDP) @ 7.75
14 84% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 16% Xibo (HGDP) @ 7.78
15 79.5% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 20.5% Mongol (Rasmussen) @ 7.84
16 79.3% Uzbeks (Behar) + 20.7% Sindhi (HGDP) @ 7.92
17 56.4% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 43.6% Hazara (HGDP) @ 7.98
18 73.8% Uzbeks (Behar) + 26.2% Iranian (Dodecad) @ 8.08
19 72.4% Uzbeks (Behar) + 27.6% Burusho (HGDP) @ 8.08
20 83.9% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 16.1% Tu (HGDP) @ 8.34

Nice results, first one is very Westasian shifted and atypical.

[Melonman]

Very interesting results. Didnt expect tajiks to be that close to Iranians.

There are tajiks from Herat who are this close. Actually closer.

Then there are shia tajiks all over the country who can be really close too, but they have iranian ancestry though.


This one however seems to be an outlier

[Leto]

An Uzbek girl from the Farg'ona region (no kit number, only the K12b and K13 values)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2f/Farg%27ona_Viloyati_in_Uzbekistan.svg/640px-Farg%27ona_Viloyati_in_Uzbekistan.svg.png

Gedrosia 18.7
Siberian 15.54
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 2.53
Atlantic_Med 5.97
North_European 15.48
South_Asian 5.43
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 3.99
East_Asian 20.32
Caucasus 12.04
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Uzbek_Farg'ona
5.55407058 Uzbek
5.57835101 Uzbeki
7.00659689 Turkmen_Afghanistan
9.57198517 Uyghur_Xinjiang
11.06973351 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
12.15058435 Turkmen_Turkmenistan
12.34499899 Hazara
12.92836030 Nogai_Stavropol
13.42197824 Karakalpak
16.89864787 Nogai_Astrakhan

Target: Uzbek_Farg'ona
Distance: 83.5749% / 0.83574884 | ADC: 0.25x RC
49.6 Uzbek
26.8 Hazara
13.4 Altaian_Chelkan
4.4 Haryana_Ror
3.0 Spanish_Basque
2.8 Kuwait2

Target: Uzbek_Farg'ona
Distance: 270.7958% / 2.70795849 | ADC: 0.5x RC
71.6 Uzbek
17.0 Hazara
11.4 Tubalar

[turan4]

More samples from the different Iranian groups. I would like to see more Tats and Iranian Kurds.




1 Caucasus 41.18
2 Gedrosia 22.02
3 North_European 12.52
4 Southwest_Asian 11.03
5 Atlantic_Med 6.49
6 South_Asian 2.08
7 East_Asian 1.89
8 Northwest_African 1.12
9 Siberian 1.07
10 Southeast_Asian 0.54
11 East_African 0.06

I am Tat from Azerbaijan

[Leto]

1 Caucasus 41.18
2 Gedrosia 22.02
3 North_European 12.52
4 Southwest_Asian 11.03
5 Atlantic_Med 6.49
6 South_Asian 2.08
7 East_Asian 1.89
8 Northwest_African 1.12
9 Siberian 1.07
10 Southeast_Asian 0.54
11 East_African 0.06

I am Tat from Azerbaijan
Hi. I think someone has posted your results here before. Your Steppe ancestry is relatively high, 12.5% North European. Do you know your Y DNA? Also, is the Tat language still alive?

[Melonman]

Turkmen from apparently Asghabat, Turkmenistan:






1 Caucasus 21.39
2 East_Asian 18.21
3 Siberian 18.16
4 North_European 13.3
5 Gedrosia 12.61
6 Atlantic_Med 5.67
7 Southwest_Asian 4.4
8 Southeast_Asian 3.45
9 South_Asian 2.81






1 Uzbeks (Behar) 10.4
2 Hazara (HGDP) 18.44
3 Uygur (HGDP) 18.52
4 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 19.56
5 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 23.13
6 Tajiks (Yunusbayev) 26.77
7 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 32.21
8 Turks (Behar) 32.68
9 Turkish (Dodecad) 33.27
10 Altai (Rasmussen) 34.75
11 Iranian (Dodecad) 35.25
12 Kurd (Dodecad) 35.77
13 Iranians (Behar) 36.26
14 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 37.16
15 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 37.9
16 Lezgins (Behar) 38.31
17 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 38.33
18 Mongol (Rasmussen) 38.49
19 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 38.49
20 Greek (Dodecad) 38.95






1 83.7% Uzbeks (Behar) + 16.3% Cypriots (Behar) @ 6.35
2 84.2% Uzbeks (Behar) + 15.8% Druze (HGDP) @ 6.66
3 85.6% Uzbeks (Behar) + 14.4% Samaritians (Behar) @ 6.7
4 80.6% Uzbeks (Behar) + 19.4% Turkish (Dodecad) @ 6.84
5 82.7% Uzbeks (Behar) + 17.3% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) @ 6.87
6 82.9% Uzbeks (Behar) + 17.1% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) @ 6.89
7 83.4% Uzbeks (Behar) + 16.6% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 6.92
8 80.6% Uzbeks (Behar) + 19.4% Turks (Behar) @ 7
9 83.3% Uzbeks (Behar) + 16.7% Lebanese (Behar) @ 7.03
10 85.1% Uzbeks (Behar) + 14.9% Armenian (Dodecad) @ 7.18
11 85.5% Uzbeks (Behar) + 14.5% Armenians (Behar) @ 7.18
12 51.6% Turks (Behar) + 48.4% Altai (Rasmussen) @ 7.22
13 83.9% Uzbeks (Behar) + 16.1% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 7.23
14 84.1% Uzbeks (Behar) + 15.9% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 7.23
15 83.8% Uzbeks (Behar) + 16.2% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 7.25
16 85% Uzbeks (Behar) + 15% Palestinian (HGDP) @ 7.28
17 84.8% Uzbeks (Behar) + 15.2% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 7.28
18 51.1% Turkish (Dodecad) + 48.9% Altai (Rasmussen) @ 7.29
19 85.2% Uzbeks (Behar) + 14.8% Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) @ 7.33
20 85.2% Uzbeks (Behar) + 14.8% Assyrian (Dodecad) @ 7.33

[turan4]

Hi. I think someone has posted your results here before. Your Steppe ancestry is relatively high, 12.5% North European. Do you know your Y DNA? Also, is the Tat language still alive?
Oh, cool. Unfortunately, I don't know my Y DNA since I tested in FTDNA. I knew that my ancestors lived in mountainous area and there was relatively less mixing.

In my town, language is dying with each generation. My grandparents are fluent, my parents can speak to some degree but my generation (people around 20) knows only few words

[Leto]

Oh, cool. Unfortunately, I don't know my Y DNA since I tested in FTDNA. I knew that my ancestors lived in mountainous area and there was relatively less mixing.

In my town, language is dying with each generation. My grandparents are fluent, my parents can speak to some degree but my generation (people around 20) knows only few words
I see. And the language that's replacing Tat is obviously Azerbaijani.
Do you think the Tats are basically a kind of Persians?

[turan4]

I see. And the language that's replacing Tat is obviously Azerbaijani.
Do you think the Tats are basically a kind of Persians?
Yes, Azerbaijani is replacing tat.

I am not sure. But, from my little research, I couldn't find any sources about persian migration to south east caucasian mountains. I believe tats are caucasians who were assimilated to persians since 2000-3000 years ago the areas that tats live now were northern borders of big persian empires and persian was lingua franca in the region. So, I think tats are caucasians + some mixing with persians.

I asked from a lot of elderly people about possible migration from iran but none of them heard anything about it from their ancestors. They only believed it because of history books.

I know that my father's village was formed by migration from nearby town (ismayilli) about 500 years ago.

Btw, how do you know about tats? Are you from Russia? I am asking because even in Azerbaijan there are some people who don't know about tats. So, it was odd and ingeresting to see foreigner being interested about tats.

[Leto]

Yes, Azerbaijani is replacing tat.

I am not sure. But, from my little research, I couldn't find any sources about persian migration to south east caucasian mountains. I believe tats are caucasians who were assimilated to persians since 2000-3000 years ago the areas that tats live now were northern borders of big persian empires and persian was lingua franca in the region. So, I think tats are caucasians + some mixing with persians.

I asked from a lot of elderly people about possible migration from iran but none of them heard anything about it from their ancestors. They only believed it because of history books.

I know that my father's village was formed by migration from nearby town (ismayilli) about 500 years ago.

Btw, how do you know about tats? Are you from Russia? I am asking because even in Azerbaijan there are some people who don't know about tats. So, it was odd and ingeresting to see foreigner being interested about tats.
So a lot of genetics in Azerbaijan can be traced to Caucasian Albania.
Yes, I'm Russian but obviously not an average guy in this regard. I've known about the Tats and the Talysh for years. Back in the Soviet Union many Mountain Jews were erroneously recorded as Tats. And now that you appeared here and introduced yourself as a Tat, I found it interesting to ask a question. :)

[turan4]

Wow! I am really interested about mountain jews and their relationship with tats. Looks like they are genetically distant fron each other. I wonder if mountain jews picked the language from tats or vice versa or mountain jews were already speaking this language when they came to the caucasus

[Leto]

Wow! I am really interested about mountain jews and their relationship with tats. Looks like they are genetically distant fron each other. I wonder if mountain jews picked the language from tats or vice versa or mountain jews were already speaking this language when they came to the caucasus
Well, they are basically Persian Jews.

Please post your Eurogenes K13 and K36 components.

[turan4]

Please post your Eurogenes K13 and K36 components.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 42.29
2 East_Med 21.72
3 West_Med 8.77
4 Baltic 6.67
5 Red_Sea 5.3
6 North_Atlantic 5.29
7 South_Asian 4.6
8 Siberian 2.29
9 East_Asian 1.62
10 Oceanian 0.78
11 Sub-Saharan 0.59
12 Northeast_African 0.08

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Kumyk 7.4
2 Adygei 8.61
3 Kurdish 8.91
4 Azeri 9.34
5 Georgian 9.62
6 Balkar 9.88
7 Ossetian 10.04
8 North_Ossetian 10.94
9 Kabardin 11.05
10 Iranian 11.2
11 Abhkasian 11.86
12 Turkish 12.43
13 Chechen 13.23
14 Armenian 13.7
15 Lezgin 14.06
16 Georgian_Jewish 15.31
17 Turkmen 15.87
18 Tabassaran 16.45
19 Assyrian 18.75
20 Iranian_Jewish 21.9

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 69.1% Ossetian + 30.9% Iranian_Jewish @ 2.44
2 52.8% Kurdish + 47.2% Balkar @ 2.73
3 69.3% Ossetian + 30.7% Kurdish_Jewish @ 2.8
4 55.8% Kurdish + 44.2% Kabardin @ 2.81
5 52% Azeri + 48% Ossetian @ 2.88
6 61.1% Ossetian + 38.9% Georgian_Jewish @ 3.04
7 65.9% Ossetian + 34.1% Assyrian @ 3.06
8 52.3% Adygei + 47.7% Azeri @ 3.12
9 53% Ossetian + 47% Iranian @ 3.15
10 53.3% Kurdish + 46.7% Ossetian @ 3.17
11 53.4% Balkar + 46.6% Iranian @ 3.17
12 72.4% Ossetian + 27.6% Syrian @ 3.21
13 67.5% North_Ossetian + 32.5% Iranian_Jewish @ 3.24
14 54.4% Azeri + 45.6% North_Ossetian @ 3.3
15 55.8% Kabardin + 44.2% Armenian @ 3.3
16 67.6% North_Ossetian + 32.4% Kurdish_Jewish @ 3.32
17 71.9% Ossetian + 28.1% Lebanese_Muslim @ 3.35
18 55.8% Kurdish + 44.2% North_Ossetian @ 3.4
19 70.6% North_Ossetian + 29.4% Syrian @ 3.45
20 77.1% Ossetian + 22.9% Palestinian @ 3.45




Population
Amerindian -
Arabian 1.32 Pct
Armenian 10.1 Pct
Basque 1.76 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro -
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 4.41 Pct
East_Central_Asian 0.29 Pct
East_Central_Euro 0.27 Pct
East_Med 9.64 Pct
Eastern_Euro 0.41 Pct
Fennoscandian -
French 1.03 Pct
Iberian 1.71 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 0.46 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 15.6 Pct
North_African -
North_Atlantic -
North_Caucasian 29.57 Pct
North_Sea 0.79 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian 15.57 Pct
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 0.21 Pct
West_African -
West_Caucasian 6.85 Pct
West_Med -

[turan4]

Please post your Eurogenes K13 and K36 components.

K36 components to run in vahaduo:
Turan,0, 1.32, 10.1, 1.76, 0, 0, 0, 0, 4.41, 0.29, 0.27, 9.64, 0.41, 0, 1.03, 1.71, 0, 0.46, 0, 15.6, 0, 0, 29.57, 0.79, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 15.57, 0, 0.21, 0, 6.85, 0

And this is distance to other populations:
113437

Is this big distance normal?

[Leto]

K36 components to run in vahaduo:
Turan,0, 1.32, 10.1, 1.76, 0, 0, 0, 0, 4.41, 0.29, 0.27, 9.64, 0.41, 0, 1.03, 1.71, 0, 0.46, 0, 15.6, 0, 0, 29.57, 0.79, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 15.57, 0, 0.21, 0, 6.85, 0

And this is distance to other populations:
113437

Is this big distance normal?
I think it's quite big. Don't know why that is.

[Leto]

An Iranian and his parents

R-Z93
X2

Gedrosia 25.75 Pct
Siberian 1.68 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.39 Pct
Atlantic_Med 5.86 Pct
North_European 10.37 Pct
South_Asian 3.48 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 10.05 Pct
East_Asian 6.57 Pct
Caucasus 35.15 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.71 Pct

Distance to: KH
6.81513756 Iranian_Khorasan
7.30772194 Azerbaijani_Iran
7.70599118 Iranian_Zoroastrian
7.90862188 Iranian_Central
8.08251199 Azerbaijani_Republic
8.36703651 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
8.71509610 Iranian_Fars
9.20406975 Azerbaijani_Turkey
9.30110209 Iranian_Kerman
9.43283626 Yazidi

Target: KH
Distance: 145.7080% / 1.45708010 | ADC: 0.25x RC
39.2 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
29.6 Iranian_Khorasan
13.8 Iranian_Mazandaran
12.0 Kurd_Sorani
5.4 Japanese

Target: KH
Distance: 243.1438% / 2.43143786 | ADC: 0.5x RC
45.0 Iranian_Khorasan
36.8 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
14.2 Azerbaijani_Iran
4.0 Japanese


Gedrosia 28.49 Pct
Siberian 0.61 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.4 Pct
Atlantic_Med 6.67 Pct
North_European 12.58 Pct
South_Asian 6.92 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 9.88 Pct
East_Asian 4.92 Pct
Caucasus 28.64 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.88 Pct

Distance to: KH_father
5.35044858 Iranian_Khorasan
8.16333878 Iranian_Kerman
9.67495736 Tajik_Herat
10.39826428 Iranian_Zoroastrian
10.75553346 Iranian_Fars
11.09464285 Iranian_Central
13.42820911 Yaghnobi_Tajikistan
13.51613110 Tajik_Mountain
13.58634609 Parsi_India
13.65773041 Iranian_Bandari

Target: KH_father
Distance: 214.1234% / 2.14123445 | ADC: 0.25x RC
68.8 Iranian_Khorasan
12.6 Iranian_Bandari
12.6 Yaghnobi_Tajikistan
3.4 Norwegian
2.6 Japanese


Gedrosia 26.02 Pct
Siberian 1.91 Pct
Northwest_African 0.12 Pct
Southeast_Asian 2.16 Pct
Atlantic_Med 5.81 Pct
North_European 9.16 Pct
South_Asian 2.06 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 10.06 Pct
East_Asian 3.56 Pct
Caucasus 38.92 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.22 Pct

Distance to: KH_mother
5.35411057 Azerbaijani_Iran
5.41662256 Talysh_Azerbaijan
5.80071547 Azerbaijani_Republic
6.34134055 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
6.37582936 Iranian_Zoroastrian
6.61838349 Iranian_Central
6.66524568 Yazidi
6.78093651 Kurd_Kurmanji
6.78279441 Kurd_Sorani
7.15891053 Azerbaijani_Turkey

Target: KH_mother
Distance: 136.6657% / 1.36665686 | ADC: 0.5x RC
38.2 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
33.4 Iranian_Mazandaran
25.6 Azerbaijani_Iran
2.8 She

[Sterling Archer]

K36 components to run in vahaduo:
Turan,0, 1.32, 10.1, 1.76, 0, 0, 0, 0, 4.41, 0.29, 0.27, 9.64, 0.41, 0, 1.03, 1.71, 0, 0.46, 0, 15.6, 0, 0, 29.57, 0.79, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 15.57, 0, 0.21, 0, 6.85, 0

And this is distance to other populations:
113437


Where did you find the K36 spreadsheet?


Is this big distance normal?
I think that is because your are not ''northern" enough. At least not for this calculator.

I can compare with my dad's K36, but I don't have a spreadsheet to run his result.

[Russki]

I think it's quite big. Don't know why that is.



https://sun9-53.userapi.com/impf/pJN3oUw3mVJeUTKoBJhff3DIXevgowUDQhh2_Q/ncvkBz62DPQ.jpg?size=1186x879&quality=95&sign=fef69d8fa2c8bf94e8b8e394ddafd048&type=album

[turan4]

Where did you find the K36 spreadsheet?

I used the spreadsheet in the link.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?320239-Eurogenes-K36-On-Vahaduo

I noticed while Azerbaijan average has 19% north caucasian I have 29.6% similar to Azeri_dagistan (31.5%). I guess this is the main reason why Azerbaijan average is far from me

[Leto]

Two are Azerbaijanis, the third one might be an Iranic minority.

Gedrosia 21.53 Pct
Siberian 2.36 Pct
Northwest_African 0.61 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 5.89 Pct
North_European 10.17 Pct
South_Asian 3.66 Pct
East_African 1.45 Pct
Southwest_Asian 12.31 Pct
East_Asian 2.66 Pct
Caucasus 39.33 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Emil
3.36746195 Azerbaijani_Republic
3.43874977 Azerbaijani_Iran
4.70298841 Azerbaijani_Turkey
5.92520042 Kurd_Kurmanji
6.10675855 Talysh_Azerbaijan
6.41109975 Zaza/Kurd_Turkey
6.58365400 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
6.80736366 Turk_Southeast
6.91393520 Turkmen_Iraq
7.27634524 Yazidi

Target: Emil
Distance: 206.8542% / 2.06854223 | ADC: 0.5x RC
35.2 Azerbaijani_Republic
23.4 Kumyk
17.2 Iranian_Central
16.0 Iranian_Arab
8.2 Azerbaijani_Iran


Gedrosia 20.66 Pct
Siberian 2.08 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.18 Pct
Atlantic_Med 8.75 Pct
North_European 7.59 Pct
South_Asian 2.51 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 13.97 Pct
East_Asian 4.24 Pct
Caucasus 39.33 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.68 Pct

Distance to: Emin
3.25290639 Azerbaijani_Republic
3.31755934 Azerbaijani_Iran
3.43017492 Azerbaijani_Turkey
4.08715060 Turk_Southeast
5.31665308 Kurd_Kurmanji
5.41594867 Turkmen_Iraq
5.73276548 Zaza/Kurd_Turkey
7.03425902 Yazidi
7.15012587 Talysh_Azerbaijan
7.17652423 Turk_Central_East

Target: Emin
Distance: 138.4551% / 1.38455088 | ADC: 0.25x RC
53.6 Azerbaijani_Republic
20.4 Turkmen_Iraq
13.0 Turk_Southeast
11.0 Assyrian_North
2.0 Japanese

Target: Emin
Distance: 207.7711% / 2.07771092 | ADC: 0.5x RC
27.0 Azerbaijani_Turkey
26.8 Turkmen_Iraq
23.8 Turk_Southeast
22.4 Azerbaijani_Republic


Gedrosia 22.59 Pct
Siberian 0.68 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 5.18 Pct
North_European 12.72 Pct
South_Asian 2.1 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 11.43 Pct
East_Asian 1.57 Pct
Caucasus 43.72 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Narmin
5.74665990 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
6.73156000 Udi_Azerbaijan
6.81017621 Talysh_Azerbaijan
6.82656575 Azerbaijani_Republic
7.36920620 Zaza/Kurd_Turkey
7.81005122 Azerbaijani_Turkey
8.00418640 Azerbaijani_Iran
8.42896198 Kurd_Kurmanji
9.20057607 Turk_East
9.79378374 Kurd_Sorani

Target: Narmin
Distance: 166.3390% / 1.66338970 | ADC: 0.25x RC
45.4 Talysh_Azerbaijan
32.8 Chechen
15.6 Abkhazian
6.2 Kuwait2

[Sterling Archer]

Gedrosia 22.59 Pct
Siberian 0.68 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 5.18 Pct
North_European 12.72 Pct
South_Asian 2.1 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 11.43 Pct
East_Asian 1.57 Pct
Caucasus 43.72 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Narmin
5.74665990 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
6.73156000 Udi_Azerbaijan
6.81017621 Talysh_Azerbaijan
6.82656575 Azerbaijani_Republic
7.36920620 Zaza/Kurd_Turkey
7.81005122 Azerbaijani_Turkey
8.00418640 Azerbaijani_Iran
8.42896198 Kurd_Kurmanji
9.20057607 Turk_East
9.79378374 Kurd_Sorani


This result is almost identical to mine, except I score no South Asia and slightly less Caucasus.
This person is probably a mix between the north and south of the Republic. Might also be Tat (high NE).

[Leto]

Two more AZ samples. And just to be clear, I'm not focused on Azerbaijan, there's just not a lot of stuff of interest these days. Apart from a real surge of Georgian Gedmatch kits, many of which are with data from Ancestry DNA. As if the U.S. is sending them the kits as part of humanitarian aid or something :D

Gedrosia 18.89 Pct
Siberian 2.95 Pct
Northwest_African 0.44 Pct
Southeast_Asian 1.34 Pct
Atlantic_Med 8.32 Pct
North_European 8.19 Pct
South_Asian 0.76 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 14.9 Pct
East_Asian 2.72 Pct
Caucasus 41.48 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Gedrosia 20.8 Pct
Siberian 3.02 Pct
Northwest_African 1.49 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.79 Pct
Atlantic_Med 7.31 Pct
North_European 9.76 Pct
South_Asian 0.79 Pct
East_African 0.61 Pct
Southwest_Asian 13.77 Pct
East_Asian 3.35 Pct
Caucasus 38.31 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

[Sterling Archer]

Lezgin from Dagestan:

Gedrosia 25.18
Siberia 3.88
Northwest_African 0
Southeast_Asian 0
Atlantic_Med 5.69
North_European 19.74
South_Asian 0
East_African 0.23
Southwest_Asian 6.71
East_Asian 0.73
Caucasus 37.32
Sub_Saharan 0.52

[Leto]

Balkar (Turkic) results

Gedrosia 17.32 Pct
Siberian 2.42 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 4.46 Pct
North_European 21.05 Pct
South_Asian 0.59 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 4.28 Pct
East_Asian 4.32 Pct
Caucasus 45.56 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Salima
3.09783796 Balkar
3.90420286 Circassian
3.99508448 Karachay
4.81623297 Abazin
5.31324759 Adyghe
5.51141543 Ossetian
5.71150593 Kabardin
6.53807311 Kumyk
6.57954406 Ingush
6.74261077 Chechen

Distance to: Salima
3.04605345 4.00% Abkhazian + 96.00% Balkar
3.06199743 97.60% Balkar + 2.40% Georgian_West
3.06932017 95.20% Balkar + 4.80% Ossetian_South
3.07067531 99.40% Balkar + 0.60% Latvian
3.07369033 99.40% Balkar + 0.60% Lithuanian
3.08504100 99.40% Balkar + 0.60% Russian_Voronezh
3.08639562 99.40% Balkar + 0.60% Russian_Kursk
3.08661233 99.60% Balkar + 0.40% Russian_Smolensk
3.08672551 99.60% Balkar + 0.40% Belorussian
3.08685276 99.60% Balkar + 0.40% Belarusian_Minsk

Target: Salima
Distance: 1.6394% / 1.63937756
66.5 Abkhazian
11.0 Dargin_Kaitag
9.9 Latvian
9.9 Nogai
2.7 Japanese

K36-based simulated G25

Target: Salima_simulated_g25_scaled
Distance: 2.1677% / 0.02167699
61.2 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
23.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
10.2 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
3.8 Han
1.4 Nganassan


Gedrosia 20.68 Pct
Siberian 3.94 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 1.31 Pct
Atlantic_Med 5.01 Pct
North_European 19.45 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 1.57 Pct
East_Asian 3.59 Pct
Caucasus 44.44 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Layla
3.51390097 Balkar
3.70575229 Karachay
3.78577601 Ingush
4.65202107 Chechen
4.69458198 Circassian
4.91607567 Abazin
5.42306187 Ossetian
5.49733572 Adyghe
5.70769656 Kabardin
5.76568296 Kumyk

Distance to: Layla
2.20763858 21.00% Dargin_Kubachi + 79.00% Karachay
2.37757709 17.40% Dargin + 82.60% Karachay
2.51030741 79.40% Karachay + 20.60% Lak
2.55127643 17.80% Avar + 82.20% Karachay
2.58021669 53.80% Balkar + 46.20% Ingush
2.59976278 40.60% Chechen + 59.40% Karachay
2.61762085 85.40% Ingush + 14.60% Nogai
2.67727621 83.00% Balkar + 17.00% Dargin_Kubachi
2.68093917 26.00% Dargin + 74.00% Ossetian
2.68134428 79.40% Karachay + 20.60% Tabasaran

Target: Layla
Distance: 1.2007% / 1.20068194 | ADC: 0.25x RC
47.1 Ossetian_South
27.3 Dargin_Kubachi
16.9 Nogai
4.5 Ingush
3.4 Karachay
0.8 Tujia

Target: Layla_simulated_g25_scaled
Distance: 2.2402% / 0.02240179
67.0 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
25.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
4.0 Han
3.0 Nganassan
1.0 TUR_Barcin_N

[Kaspias]

Are there any Kirgiz kits around? I have been looking for it for some time, but couldn't find any.

[Mejgusu]

Are there any Kirgiz kits around? I have been looking for it for some time, but couldn't find any.

I don’t have any kits, maybe Leto has. As far I know in this thread we didn’t post any, but I remember I posted some in previous Dodecad threads, and Leto too.

[Leto]

Are there any Kirgiz kits around? I have been looking for it for some time, but couldn't find any.
Hi,
Yes, there are a few kits out there, fewer than there are Kazakhs but more than Uzbeks. But I cannot give you anything at the moment, 'cause I'm on my phone. It's also not always easy to tell Kyrgyz from Kazakhs.

[Kaspias]

Hi,
Yes, there are a few kits out there, fewer than there are Kazakhs but more than Uzbeks. But I cannot give you anything at the moment, 'cause I'm on my phone. It's also not always easy to tell Kyrgyz from Kazakhs.

Hi Leto. Well no need to hurry, but I would appreciate it if you send me some. Then I can check their matches and mail them to inquire about their hometown.

[Sora]

Hi,
Yes, there are a few kits out there, fewer than there are Kazakhs but more than Uzbeks. But I cannot give you anything at the moment, 'cause I'm on my phone. It's also not always easy to tell Kyrgyz from Kazakhs.

Hi, Leto!

I wanna ask if you have some North/Siberian/Uralian Russian, Forest Finn, Russian Finnics & other Uralic folks' Gedmatch kits? I need them because I'mma write about my novel characters taking dna test in one of the chapters of my upcoming novel (I know I never told anyone that I'm an author :shy: and I have a half North Russian half Japanese-American character there :lol::p but I also wonder about other Uralic or Slavic Gedmatch kits. I'm so curious about genetic results of many folks). And I also wanna ask where do you get those kits from?

[Leto]

Hi Leto. Well no need to hurry, but I would appreciate it if you send me some. Then I can check their matches and mail them to inquire about their hometown.
Many of those kits I've seen would be years old, I don't know if they will respond to you. I will check later if there are confirmed Kyrgyz kits in my archive.

[Leto]

Hi, Leto!

I wanna ask if you have some North/Siberian/Uralian Russian, Forest Finn, Russian Finnics & other Uralic folks' Gedmatch kits? I need them because I'mma write about my novel characters taking dna test in one of the chapters of my upcoming novel (I know I never told anyone that I'm an author :shy: and I have a half North Russian half Japanese-American character there :lol::p but I also wonder about other Uralic or Slavic Gedmatch kits. I'm so curious about genetic results of many folks). And I also wanna ask where do you get those kits from?
Hi,
Strange question. Honestly, I'm not very active here anymore and I prefer to post as little as possible. Don't know what exactly forest Finnics are, sure I may have something but I don't feel like sharing anything. And why half Northern Russian? Too much Mongoloid to my taste. :ranger

[Sora]

Hi,
Strange question. Honestly, I'm not very active here anymore and I prefer to post as little as possible. Don't know what exactly forest Finnics are, sure I may have something but I don't feel like sharing anything. And why half Northern Russian? Too much Mongoloid to my taste.

Oh ok. You can send me via private if you want, but anyways... Btw, Forest Finns are a bit more traditional versions of Finns, afaik. And Northern Russian is... due to the character "Karina" is a 37-year-old university lecturer who was born & raised in St. Petersburg to a Japanese-American mother & Russian father from a small village in Arkhangelsk(interesting lol). And she has natural blonde hair & green slanted eyes. Her husband "David Jeremiah Jones" is a White American xD Though my novel is inspired by a video game called "Criminal Case" :rotfl:

[Russki]

Balkar (Turkic) results




K36-based simulated G25

Target: Salima_simulated_g25_scaled
Distance: 2.1677% / 0.02167699
61.2 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
23.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
10.2 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
3.8 Han
1.4 Nganassan




Target: Layla_simulated_g25_scaled
Distance: 2.2402% / 0.02240179
67.0 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
25.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
4.0 Han
3.0 Nganassan
1.0 TUR_Barcin_N












Balkar_K36_sim_G25,0.11048406089900009,0.090237196 274,-0.026550606628799975,-0.015346770895000179,-0.036791754556200006,0.001152779115120005,0.008757 086028000004,-0.0036667913210001336,-0.05570883512100047,-0.028684559838000247,-0.0036235421579719988,0.00841292564900007,-0.016925823736000035,-0.0007702389709996508,0.008912181647999812,-0.014133402328000103,0.0038795656650000305,-0.0036235330579998323,-0.007643918546999972,0.012858333719699997,0.003687 972027999968,0.0025617158789998655,0.0020735704140 000147,0.0011957467950000102,-0.003441937173000233

https://sun1-24.userapi.com/s/v1/if2/dQ-BdqyRIg9RwJ0y66YncVq7k9CI4ytDVlWn6tgo8XMusYJ_KFMmZ 44zBw6qJA4TsA335CA1PdLZPPvTpwMhAU5i.jpg?size=1250x 600&quality=95&type=album

[Leto]

Balkar_K36_sim_G25,0.11048406089900009,0.090237196 274,-0.026550606628799975,-0.015346770895000179,-0.036791754556200006,0.001152779115120005,0.008757 086028000004,-0.0036667913210001336,-0.05570883512100047,-0.028684559838000247,-0.0036235421579719988,0.00841292564900007,-0.016925823736000035,-0.0007702389709996508,0.008912181647999812,-0.014133402328000103,0.0038795656650000305,-0.0036235330579998323,-0.007643918546999972,0.012858333719699997,0.003687 972027999968,0.0025617158789998655,0.0020735704140 000147,0.0011957467950000102,-0.003441937173000233

[img]https://sun9-87.userapi.com/s/v1/if2/tO0s4DciLkjx21KXt36ZqmQZyszrwkbDwpPhKNPAheJWr6z5aD wF81xaS9DFUZrjqYflZ_2FHwBJ2yV_P-erk6o1.jpg?size=1250x700&quality=95&type=album
I don't like deconstructing the Steppe component into many different things. But (inland) Dagestan is IMO the best part of the Caucasus in that regard, it's super Steppe.

[Kyp]

Iranian Azerbaijani from Tabriz

Gedrosian: 22.03
Siberian: 2.21
Northwest_African: 1.22
Southeast_Asian: 1.35
Atlantic_Med: 7.35
North_European: 11.69
South_Asian 1.61
East_African 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 11.00
East_Asian: 3.57
Caucasian: 37.74
SSA: 0.22

Distance to: Azerbaijani_Tabriz
3.71490242 Azerbaijani_North
3.78269745 Azerbaijani_Republic
4.12220815 Azerbaijani_Iran
4.26146688 Azerbaijani_Tabriz
4.64492196 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
4.77817957 Azerbaijani_Northwest
5.04629567 Azerbaijani_Turkey
5.83507498 Kurd_Kordestan
6.53162308 Dersim
6.96436645 Turk_Southeast
7.23785880 Kurd_Kurmanji
7.70976653 Iranian_Isfahan
7.94997484 Talysh_Azerbaijan
8.21749354 Kurd_Kermanshah
8.25789319 Yazidi_Kurd
8.56784103 Iranian_Zoroastrian
8.69270959 Turk_South
8.91299613 Iranian_Central
8.91959080 Turk_Central_East
8.93618487 Kurd_Sorani
9.15953601 Turkmen_Iraq
9.91242654 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
10.09436972 Udi_Azerbaijan
10.14063114 Turk_Central_West
10.47709406 Iranian_Fars

[Russki]

I don't like deconstructing the Steppe component into many different things. But (inland) Dagestan is IMO the best part of the Caucasus in that regard, it's super Steppe.


Caucasians have tons of ANE and CHG.

Vahaduo gets duped into giving them additional Yamnaya due to this mix.


https://sun9-2.userapi.com/s/v1/if2/4Qefp_iDr7a3xgPftlNbDhGOd_1-bIHjLIHa7O_9zncqMx_rNF1zVavAm9YY7fh8CXC5kzOAIr4sH4 JRpS7nVTeg.jpg?size=650x300&quality=95&type=album





2% WHG means the real Steppe proportion of Balkars is about 11%, twice less.

[Kyp]

Caucasians have tons of ANE and CHG.

Vahaduo gets duped into giving them additional Yamnaya due to this mix.


https://sun9-2.userapi.com/s/v1/if2/4Qefp_iDr7a3xgPftlNbDhGOd_1-bIHjLIHa7O_9zncqMx_rNF1zVavAm9YY7fh8CXC5kzOAIr4sH4 JRpS7nVTeg.jpg?size=650x300&quality=95&type=album





2% WHG means the real Steppe proportion of Balkars is about 11%, twice less.

CHG itself contains ANE

[Russki]

CHG itself contains ANE


Yes, but it doesn't contain WHG, not even a little.

2% WHG and 25% Steppe are mutually exclusive.

[Leto]

Okay but please stop posting unrelated things on this thread. Go buy yourself a hut on the Afontova Gora ;)

[Leto]

Mixed Iranian from Hamedan (Kasra2099)

Gedrosia 23.9 Pct
Siberian 1.94 Pct
Northwest_African 1.04 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.86 Pct
Atlantic_Med 5.99 Pct
North_European 8.5 Pct
South_Asian 5.5 Pct
East_African 1.28 Pct
Southwest_Asian 12.67 Pct
East_Asian 3.41 Pct
Caucasus 34.26 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.65 Pct

Distance to: Kasra2099
5.12439265 Iranian_Central
5.14849493 Iranian_Fars
5.83061746 Azerbaijani_Iran
5.97017588 Iranian_Khorasan
6.06478359 Iranian_Zoroastrian
7.18613944 Iranian_Kerman
7.22015928 Yazidi
7.25390240 Kurd_Sorani
7.37169587 Azerbaijani_Republic
7.45861918 Turkmen_Iraq
7.74333907 Kurd_Kurmanji
8.57184928 Azerbaijani_Turkey
8.70632529 Iranian_Lur
8.74639926 Kurd_Feyli
8.76473616 Talysh_Azerbaijan
9.30176865 Turk_Southeast
9.55578882 Zaza/Kurd_Turkey
10.02886833 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
12.00668564 Iraqi_Baghdad
12.10100409 Turk_South

Target: Kasra2099
Distance: 116.1746% / 1.16174589 | ADC: 0.5x RC
35.8 Iranian_Khorasan
28.0 Azerbaijani_Iran
15.4 Iranian_Arab
11.0 Iranian_Fars
9.8 Turkmen_Iran

Target: Kasra2099
Distance: 255.2347% / 2.55234669 | ADC: 1x RC
43.0 Azerbaijani_Iran
35.2 Iranian_Khorasan
21.8 Iranian_Fars

This is the real spreadsheet by the way
https://pastebin.com/pD1vFFRF

[Sora]

Okay but please stop posting unrelated things on this thread. Go buy yourself a hut on the Afontova Gora ;)

I must confess that you are my idol, brat(Russian meaning)! :cool: however even a worthless home is a million dollar(even worse; lira) nowadays :/

[Leto]

I must confess that you are my idol, brat(Russian meaning)! :cool: however even a worthless home is a million dollar(even worse; lira) nowadays :/
Lol. I didn't know that, thank you. I apologize if I said something insensitive to you. This is a free speech, mostly male forum. But I believe you haven't seen me, I don't look East Asian or Middle Eastern, haha. I look Estonian according to Feiichy :D

[Kaspias]

Has anybody checked the tags of this thread? :D

https://i.ibb.co/0V4yT7g/Ads-z.png

[Sterling Archer]

Has anybody checked the tags of this thread? :D

https://i.ibb.co/0V4yT7g/Ads-z.png

Yes, I have, I laughed a lot. Some people one this forum are so weird;)
Safe to say someone really doesn't like the Spaniards.

[Sora]

Lol. I didn't know that, thank you. I apologize if I said something insensitive to you. This is a free speech, mostly male forum. But I believe you haven't seen me, I don't look East Asian or Middle Eastern, haha. I look Estonian according to Feiichy :D

Np :o Lol, I already know you can't look ME or EA, although I've never seen your face, because you are Russian and it's impossible for Russians to look one of them. But Estonian is more possible, and I used to have an Estonian schoolmate on secondary school and she looked extremely Russian :wow:

[Mejgusu]

...

Does anyone have an unmixed Karamanli result? I am quoting you because you got a good survey about Turkish and Muslim(thogh they arent Muslim but Turkish speaking)population in Balkan/Greece, but maybe anyone else too? It’s unbelievable that we literally have everything and everyone got tested but not an unmixed Karamanli which seems to be rare ore impossible to find nowadays.


https://youtu.be/Y4TGJYOnuK4

The interviewer has a strong Greek accent but the women talks and looks like a Central Anatolian Turkish grandma, reminds to mine, even her gestures.

[Leto]

Dagestani Dargins (must be a son and his mother)

J1-CTS5368
H15

Gedrosia 30.11 Pct
Siberian 2.77 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 6.64 Pct
North_European 23.42 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 3.59 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 32.93 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.49 Pct

Gedrosia 28.97 Pct
Siberian 2.09 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 5.89 Pct
North_European 27.19 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 0.63 Pct
East_Asian 0.77 Pct
Caucasus 34.46 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

[Guti]

CHG Kotias and CHG Satsurblia are closer to the Kurds than to the Chechens. So, Kurds plot closer to the ancient/archaic CHG people in the Caucasus. Does this mean that Kurds are even more native to the ancient Caucasus than the Chechens are? :icon_ask:


M603839 M551062 Kotias CHG
https://i.postimg.cc/05FTytjZ/Kotias.jpg


M677694 Satsurblia CHG
https://i.postimg.cc/kXSk6xtC/Satsurblia.jpg

[Guti]

Anatolian Turks are clearly mixed with the Anatolian Armeians (Armenoide people).

M091434 I1584 Anatolian Chalcolithic
https://i.postimg.cc/zGQNsdFT/anatolia.jpg

[orhanaa]

Bilingual (Turkish/Greek) Turkish result from Lesvos island greece

Gedrosian: 11.31
Siberian: 2.97
Northwest_African: 1.54
Southeast_Asian: 0.98
Atlantic_Med: 17.51
North_European: 14.57
South_Asian 0.1
East_African -
Southwest_Asian: 10.75
East_Asian: 6.98
Caucasian: 33.17
Sub_Saharan: 0.12

[orhanaa]

turkish result from gorobinci city of northern macedonia, result of y-dna; C-L1373

Gedrosian: 6.85
Siberian: 4.52
Northwest_African: 0.96
Southeast_Asian: -
Atlantic_Med: 22.44
North_European: 30.03
South_Asian: 2.13
East_African: 0.17
Southwest_Asian: 9.01
East_Asian: -
Caucasian: 23.89
Sub_Saharan: -

[Guti]

CHG & Iran Neolithic are close. On any PCA chart, they cluster very closely. That's the connection between modern Kurds & Caucasian groups. Modern Kurds are mostly descended from Iran Chalcolithic, which in itself is heavily CHG derived (More so than its Iran N input). On any modern calculator, ancient Iran Chalcolithic sample clusters closest with Caucasian people like Georgians & Circassians. But try telling the idiots on Reddit that. Especially the brain-dead Turkic nationalists who claim to have more CHG input than Kurds, when they're in fact way more Anatolia & Levant driven in origin. They're much less Caucasian shifted than Kurds or Iranians. I'm personally a Zaza Kurd, and I'm almost 50% Caucasian on Dodecad K12b. Even when modelling my profile on Vahaduo I still cluster like almost 60% with the Georgian sample using the 'multi' feature when measuring my regional genetic input using modern samples.

So yes, Kurds have strong connection to CHG. Possibly stronger than some people which inhabit the Caucasus region today. I believe Azeris are much less CHG shifted than Kurds are for instance (Since they have more of an Anatolian/ Levant + minor Turkic shift).
Kurds are even by far more shifted toward CHG/Iran_ChL than the Armenians, since the Armenians are more shifted toward Anatolia. Modern autosomal admixtures in Kurds are mostly derived from CHG and not Iran_Neo.

Dodecad k12b admix results don't lie.


Of course Kurds are by far much more Caucasian/Caucasoid that the Turks. Turks are not even Caucasoid people at all.
Turks are very, very different species from us, with very different origin/roots. We can be 100% certain about that. Turks are partly Mongoloid (Eastern Eurasian) and Anatolian, while Kurds are FULLY Western Eurasian, Caucaso-Iranian people. Turks are speakers of a Mongoloid language, while Kurds are speakers of a Western Iranic (Indo-European) language.


Turks have an Altaic (Mongoloid) origin, while Kurds have an Aryan origin.

[Sterling Archer]

Azerbaijani who's maternal grandmother is Kazan Tatar. I don't know much about Kazan Tatars, but some people say that Tatar side might be mixed with Russian due to relatively low mongoloid.

https://i.imgur.com/uMJ3hGi.jpg

[Sterling Archer]

Selam gardas. Do you have any other Azerbaijan kit ID's/ results? Like any Udi/ Uti kits for example? Would you mind sharing some with me?

Here is an Udi (from Azerbaijan) result. I think this has been posted before:
https://i.imgur.com/rBfcyjm.png

As for the Azerbaijanis, this forum is chock full of them:) mainly thanks to Kyp, myself and sometimes Leto. We post Azeri results all the time. Here is Azeri from Mianeh, Iran (probably can be interesting to a Kurd) that Kyp posted a while ago:

Gedrosian: 21.13
Siberian: 2.86
Northwest_African: 0.00
Southeast_Asian: 0.66
Atlantic_Med: 7.66
North_European: 11.02
South_Asian 4.14
East_African 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 11.90
East_Asian: 3.36
Caucasian: 37.05
SSA: 0.21

[Babak]

Kurds are even by far more shifted toward CHG/Iran_ChL than the Armenians, since the Armenians are more shifted toward Anatolia. Modern autosomal admixtures in Kurds are mostly derived from CHG and not Iran_Neo.

Dodecad k12b admix results don't lie.


Of course Kurds are by far much more Caucasian/Caucasoid that the Turks. Turks are not even Caucasoid people at all.
Turks are very, very different species from us, with very different origin/roots. We can be 100% certain about that. Turks are partly Mongoloid (Eastern Eurasian) and Anatolian, while Kurds are FULLY Western Eurasian, Caucaso-Iranian people. Turks are speakers of a Mongoloid language, while Kurds are speakers of a Western Iranic (Indo-European) language.


Turks have an Altaic (Mongoloid) origin, while Kurds have an Aryan origin.

Well turks are oghuz specifically, not mongolian lol

[Guti]

I don't know who exactly those Oghuz Turks were, but they were clearly not Caucasian/Caucasoid CHG/Irn_ChL aka Caucaso-Gedrosia people. Turkic peole are known to have a Altay-Sayan origin.


When you study the Dodecad results it looks like that CHG/Irn_ChL were high on the Caucasus and Gedrosia admixtures at the same time.
In CHG Kotias and CHG Satsurblia samples, both Caucasus & Gedrosia are high. In Trialeti (Caucasus_EMBA) samples both Caucasus & Gedrosia components are high. In modern Caucasus people such as Lezgins, both Caucasus and Gedrosia components are high.
Even in my own results both Caucasus and Gedrosia components are the most prominent components.

[Guti]

When you study the Dodecad results it looks like that CHG/Irn_ChL were high on the Caucasus and Gedrosia admixtures at the same time.
In CHG Kotias and CHG Satsurblia samples, both Caucasus & Gedrosia are high. In Trialeti (Caucasus_EMBA) samples both Caucasus & Gedrosia components are high. In modern Caucasus people such as Lezgins, both Caucasus and Gedrosia components are high.
Even in my own results both Caucasus and Gedrosia components are the most prominent components.
As you can see I am both high in 'Caucasus & Gedrosia' components. When you compare my 'Caucaso-Gedrosia' ratio to the ancient CHG folks you can conclude that I am around 73% similar to them.
My other 27% comes most likely from Anatolia/Western Mesopotamia.

My own
https://i.postimg.cc/d1Tnrh1G/Guti.jpg

vs.

M603839 M551062 Kotias CHG
https://i.postimg.cc/05FTytjZ/Kotias.jpg

[orhanaa]

The result of Turk from Western İzmir is interesting in that this result is not similar to the results of other İzmir natives, because its indigenous heritage is like the mainland Greek, which shows us that especially western İzmir Greeks settled in Anatolia again in the 17th century.

Gedrosian: 12.1
Siberian: 5.64
Northwest_African: -
Southeast_Asian: 0.49
Atlantic_Med: 19.85
North_European: 16.34
South_Asian: 0.96
East_African: -
Southwest_Asian: 9.14
East_Asian: 4.27
Caucasian: 29.62
Sub_Saharan: 1.58

[placebo]

The result of Turk from Western İzmir is interesting in that this result is not similar to the results of other İzmir natives, because its indigenous heritage is like the mainland Greek, which shows us that especially western İzmir Greeks settled in Anatolia again in the 17th century.

Gedrosian: 12.1
Siberian: 5.64
Northwest_African: -
Southeast_Asian: 0.49
Atlantic_Med: 19.85
North_European: 16.34
South_Asian: 0.96
East_African: -
Southwest_Asian: 9.14
East_Asian: 4.27
Caucasian: 29.62
Sub_Saharan: 1.58

island parts of izmir probably modelled something like oghuz + mainlander greek. this result from urla, right?

[placebo]

island parts of izmir probably modelled something like oghuz + mainlander greek. this result from urla, right?

1 57.5% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 42.5% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 5.42
2 56% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 44% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 5.72
3 59.6% Greek (Dodecad) + 40.4% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 5.73
4 67.9% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 32.1% Uzbeks (Behar) @ 5.95
5 66% Greek (Dodecad) + 34% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 5.97
6 64.3% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) + 35.7% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 6
7 52.9% Tuscan (HGDP) + 47.1% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 6.06
8 73.5% Greek (Dodecad) + 26.5% Hazara (HGDP) @ 6.14
9 65.6% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 34.4% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 6.17
10 68.7% Greek (Dodecad) + 31.3% Uzbeks (Behar) @ 6.17
11 51.8% TSI30 (Metspalu) + 48.2% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 6.23
12 64.4% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 35.6% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 6.24
13 65.4% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 34.6% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 6.27
14 66.8% Turks (Behar) + 33.2% French (Dodecad) @ 6.37
15 70.5% Turks (Behar) + 29.5% British (Dodecad) @ 6.44
16 67.2% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 32.8% Uzbeks (Behar) @ 6.48
17 70.3% Turks (Behar) + 29.7% Cornwall (1000Genomes) @ 6.48
18 66.8% Turks (Behar) + 33.2% French (HGDP) @ 6.48
19 71.1% Turks (Behar) + 28.9% Irish (Dodecad) @ 6.55
20 71.2% Turks (Behar) + 28.8% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 6.59

[orhanaa]

island parts of izmir probably modelled something like oghuz + mainlander greek. this result from urla, right?

yes urla peninsula

[orhanaa]

The Turkish result obtained from Trabzon Akcaabat and Çarşıbaşı districts is an Alevi Turkish village according to Alevi historical data.

Gedrosian: 15.83
Siberian: 3.83
Northwest_African: -
Southeast_Asian: -
Atlantic_Med: 11.87
North_European: 10.55
South_Asian: 0.12
East_African: -
Southwest_Asian: 8.74
East_Asian: 6.64
Caucasian: 42.37
Sub_Saharan: -

[orhanaa]

mother Ghanaian ,father Turkish (gaziantep/turkey) y-dna : N-L665 (part of her past may be Abdal)

Gedrosian: 12.99
Siberian: 0.27
Northwest_African: 3.19
Southeast_Asian: -
Atlantic_Med: -
North_European: 1.57
South_Asian: 8.54
East_African: 3.31
Southwest_Asian: 3.57
East_Asian: 4.33
Caucasian: 15.75
Sub_Saharan: 46.47

[Ratmir]

North Ossetian (1) & Chechen (2) results

Gedrosia 19.86 Pct
Siberian 5.12 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.44 Pct
Atlantic_Med 4.38 Pct
North_European 18.15 Pct
South_Asian 0.3 Pct
East_African 0.06 Pct
Southwest_Asian 2.79 Pct
East_Asian 2.96 Pct
Caucasus 45.93 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Diana
2.55988281 Karachay
3.32261945 Ossetian
3.35080587 Balkar
3.75945475 Circassian
3.84053382 Adyghe
4.13527508 Ingush
4.36650890 Abazin
6.02110455 Chechen
6.17511134 Kabardin
6.68949176 Ossetian_South
6.90474475 Kumyk
10.96976299 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
12.17372581 Tabasaran
12.22078966 Abkhazian
12.68469550 Lak
12.83960669 Lezgin
13.53973412 Dargin_Kubachi
14.34549058 Georgian_Kartli-Kakheti
14.65219096 Avar
14.65972715 Dargin_Kaitag

Distance to: Diana
1.60189290 12.40% Bashkir_Central + 87.60% Ossetian_South
1.65248310 12.20% Bashkir_South + 87.80% Ossetian_South
1.69025464 89.20% Ossetian_South + 10.80% Udmurt
1.84375545 10.60% Mari + 89.40% Ossetian_South
1.88387522 11.60% Besermyan_Udmurtia + 88.40% Ossetian_South
1.89835959 89.80% Ossetian_South + 10.20% Tatar_Zabolotniye
1.95398641 12.20% Bashkir_North + 87.80% Ossetian_South
2.04646244 88.40% Ossetian_South + 11.60% Tatar_Siberia
2.05849793 95.60% Ossetian + 4.40% Tatar_Zabolotniye
2.07529915 4.40% Altaian_Chelkan + 95.60% Ossetian
2.10200767 91.40% Ossetian + 8.60% Tajik_Lowland
2.10922691 95.80% Ossetian + 4.20% Shor
2.13190741 11.00% Chuvash + 89.00% Ossetian_South
2.13886053 95.60% Ossetian + 4.40% Tubalar
2.14883968 3.80% Khanty + 96.20% Ossetian
2.16434067 93.40% Ossetian + 6.60% Pamiri_Wakhan
2.17066401 91.60% Ossetian + 8.40% Tajik_Mountain
2.19583052 27.20% Ingush + 72.80% Karachay
2.20173221 93.00% Ossetian + 7.00% Pamiri_Shughnan
2.20248627 5.00% Bashkir_South + 95.00% Ossetian

Target: Diana
Distance: 1.9191% / 1.91912019 | ADC: 0.5x RC
62.6 Karachay
23.1 Ingush
14.3 Ossetian_South


Gedrosia 22.18 Pct
Siberian 2.2 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 5.95 Pct
North_European 20.18 Pct
South_Asian 1 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 3.27 Pct
East_Asian 1.94 Pct
Caucasus 43.12 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.15 Pct

Distance to: Amira
1.93233020 Chechen
2.81682445 Ingush
3.83925774 Kumyk
5.44968806 Balkar
5.69116860 Karachay
6.13746690 Adyghe
6.24361274 Circassian
6.25061597 Kabardin
6.46505994 Abazin
7.02757426 Ossetian
7.41931264 Tabasaran
8.27672036 Lak
8.34772424 Lezgin
8.92646066 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
9.14474713 Dargin_Kubachi
10.07795118 Ossetian_South
10.23694779 Avar
10.31730585 Dargin_Kaitag
11.43656854 Dargin
14.80836926 Azerbaijani_Republic

Distance to: Amira
1.03763255 51.40% Ossetian + 48.60% Tabasaran
1.21270779 54.80% Adyghe + 45.20% Tabasaran
1.21734752 65.40% Adyghe + 34.60% Dargin
1.30678353 62.80% Adyghe + 37.20% Avar
1.33560627 57.60% Adyghe + 42.40% Lak
1.35447425 60.20% Adyghe + 39.80% Dargin_Kubachi
1.47883183 93.20% Chechen + 6.80% Turk_Central_East
1.48126977 93.20% Chechen + 6.80% Turk_Central_Black_Sea
1.49818450 95.40% Chechen + 4.60% Greek_Cappadocia
1.50818904 7.40% Azerbaijani_Turkey + 92.60% Chechen
1.52201607 66.60% Chechen + 33.40% Ingush
1.52241837 93.40% Chechen + 6.60% Turk_East
1.52638707 93.80% Chechen + 6.20% Turk_Central_West
1.54232209 83.80% Chechen + 16.20% Circassian
1.55052378 95.00% Chechen + 5.00% Turk_East_Black_Sea
1.55120952 96.40% Chechen + 3.60% Greek_Cypriot
1.55546213 93.80% Chechen + 6.20% Turk_South
1.56593599 96.00% Chechen + 4.00% Greek_Rhodes
1.56673942 94.00% Chechen + 6.00% Turk_West_Black_Sea
1.56830841 95.80% Chechen + 4.20% Turk_Cyprus

Target: Amira
Distance: 1.3440% / 1.34404637 | ADC: 0.5x RC
53.9 Chechen
29.5 Ingush
16.6 Kumyk

[orhanaa]

Turkish result from Drama city in Greece

Gedrosian: 9.18
Siberian: 3.37
Northwest_African: 1.02
Southeast_Asian: 1.3
Atlantic_Med: 23.15
North_European: 22.81
South_Asian: 1.08
East_African: -
Southwest_Asian: 8.38
East_Asian: 1.65
Caucasian: 28.06
Sub_Saharan: -

[Kyp]

Kurd from Khoy in West Azerbaijan province in Iran:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3e/IranWestAzerbaijan-SVG.svg/500px-IranWestAzerbaijan-SVG.svg.png

Gedrosian: 22.80
Siberian: 3.34
Northwest_African: 0.47
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 9.64
North_European: 8.41
South_Asian 1.59
East_African 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 12.84
East_Asian: 0.00
Caucasian: 40.96
SSA: 0.00

Distance to: Kurd_Khoy
3.16450628 Dersim
3.61015235 Kurd_Kurmanji
4.13340054 Azerbaijani_Republic
4.71709656 Azerbaijani_Iran
4.72841411 Azerbaijani_Turkey
5.27081588 Azerbaijani_Tabriz
5.47254054 Talysh_Azerbaijan
5.76357528 Yazidi_Kurd
5.81999141 Kurd_Kordestan
5.90322793 Tat_Azerbaijan
6.36018082 Udi_Azerbaijan
6.62361684 Azerbaijani_North
6.63465146 Kurd_Kermanshah
6.72142098 Turkmen_Iraq
6.78894690 Turk_Southeast
6.81869489 Azerbaijani_Northwest
6.93488284 Kurd_Sorani
7.24473602 Turk_East
7.44258692 Iranian_Isfahan
8.20178029 Kurd_Feyli
8.26241490 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
8.43873213 Iranian_Lur
8.65665640 Iranian_Central
8.73383650 Turk_Central_East
8.92538515 Iranian_Zoroastrian

[Babak]

Kurd from Khoy in West Azerbaijan province in Iran:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3e/IranWestAzerbaijan-SVG.svg/500px-IranWestAzerbaijan-SVG.svg.png

Gedrosian: 22.80
Siberian: 3.34
Northwest_African: 0.47
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 9.64
North_European: 8.41
South_Asian 1.59
East_African 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 12.84
East_Asian: 0.00
Caucasian: 40.96
SSA: 0.00

Distance to: Kurd_Khoy
3.16450628 Dersim
3.61015235 Kurd_Kurmanji
4.13340054 Azerbaijani_Republic
4.71709656 Azerbaijani_Iran
4.72841411 Azerbaijani_Turkey
5.27081588 Azerbaijani_Tabriz
5.47254054 Talysh_Azerbaijan
5.76357528 Yazidi_Kurd
5.81999141 Kurd_Kordestan
5.90322793 Tat_Azerbaijan
6.36018082 Udi_Azerbaijan
6.62361684 Azerbaijani_North
6.63465146 Kurd_Kermanshah
6.72142098 Turkmen_Iraq
6.78894690 Turk_Southeast
6.81869489 Azerbaijani_Northwest
6.93488284 Kurd_Sorani
7.24473602 Turk_East
7.44258692 Iranian_Isfahan
8.20178029 Kurd_Feyli
8.26241490 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
8.43873213 Iranian_Lur
8.65665640 Iranian_Central
8.73383650 Turk_Central_East
8.92538515 Iranian_Zoroastrian

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[turan4]

The average of Azerbaijan_Tat in Dodecad k12b:

Tat_Azerbaijan,22.23,2.19,0.72,0.23,6.73,12.21,3.0 7,0.09,10.53,1.31,40.08,0.39(n=4)

The credit goes to the person who calculated it in Azerbaijan-Turkic DNA Facebook group
114735

[Leto]

The average of Azerbaijan_Tat in Dodecad k12b:

Tat_Azerbaijan,22.23,2.19,0.72,0.23,6.73,12.21,3.0 7,0.09,10.53,1.31,40.08,0.39(n=4)

The credit goes to the person who calculated it in Azerbaijan-Turkic DNA Facebook group
114735
Are they one family? Like parents, siblings, first cousins, etc. Nonetheless it's remarkable how much North European they are. More Aryan than most of the other Western Iranics.

[turan4]

None of the people have any known blood relation with each other. Each of them is actually from a different district of Azerbaijan. I think it makes sense that tats are more northern shifted than most of the other Western Iranics since they live in the north (North-eastern districts of Azerbaijan)

[Guti]

None of the people have any known blood relation with each other. Each of them is actually from a different district of Azerbaijan. I think it makes sense that tats are more northern shifted than most of the other Western Iranics since they live in the north (North-eastern districts of Azerbaijan)Do you know how much Tats of Azerbaijan (as Northwestern Iranic speakers) are mixed with the ethnic Azeri (as Turkic speakers).
Because those Tats in your example have some elevated Eastern Asian ancestry.

[Leto]

Great. I will add it to the spreadsheet. Don't think there will be many more Tat samples in the future.

[Guti]

Kurd from Khoy in West Azerbaijan province in Iran:


Gedrosian: 22.80
Siberian: 3.34
Northwest_African: 0.47
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 9.64
North_European: 8.41
South_Asian 1.59
East_African 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 12.84
East_Asian: 0.00
Caucasian: 40.96
SSA: 0.00I think this Kurd has some extra Azeri-Persian ancestry. His 'Gedrosia' is on a lower side for a Kurd from Eastern Kurdistan. That person has also some 'Siberian' in him/her which is a clear indication of mixture

[turan4]

Do you know how much Tats of Azerbaijan (as Northwestern Iranic speakers) are mixed with the ethnic Azeri (as Turkic speakers).
Because those Tats in your example have some elevated Eastern Asian ancestry.

All 4 people (one of them is my result) don't have any known Azeri mixture. One of the samples is from Lahij which is well known small mountainous town with a rich history. But talysh people from Azerbaijan have some elevated Eastern Asian ancestry, too. So, I guess there has been a lot of mixing in Azerbaijan in the past. Besides, some North Caucasians have as much as Eastern Asian ancestry as Azerbaijanis. I guess, Eastern Asian ancestry may possibly come from them, too, in addition to Azerbaijanis.

[Leto]

Full Kurds and Persians can score 2-3% East Eurasian too, that's not unusual.

[Guti]

All 4 people (one of them is my result) don't have any known Azeri mixture. One of the samples is from Lahij which is well known small mountainous town with a rich history. But talysh people from Azerbaijan have some elevated Eastern Asian ancestry, too. So, I guess there has been a lot of mixing in Azerbaijan in the past. Besides, some North Caucasians have as much as Eastern Asian ancestry as Azerbaijanis. I guess, Eastern Asian ancestry may possibly come from them, too, in addition to Azerbaijanis.Thanks bro. Tats are a very small community and are actually very much persecuted in Azerbaijan. I just wonder how much they are mixed. But you are right, when you move northwards toward Chechnya you will see the increase of Turkic and North European ancestry.

There are up to 1m Talysh/Tat people. The Tat subgroup of Talysh has only 40k souls.
There are even more Ezdi Kurds than Talysh people. And it makes me sad that most of them are assimilated either by the Persians or Azeri people.

They have to survive!


In general Talysh/Tat people are the closest Aryan (Northwestern Iranic) people to Aryan/Northwest Iranic Kurds. We have common ancestry from the Aryan/Northwest Iranic Medes. Talysh people have also some Scythian ancestry. They do plot closer to me than the Persians do. That is why I am very much interested in them.


Tats


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdMrtSAdF2o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zroy9ehAv8E


Talysh


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rinUpsJKCjA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvtRDKKrh9k



Are you mixed or a 'pure' Tat if they exist?

[Guti]

Full Kurds and Persians can score 2-3% East Eurasian too, that's not unusual.
Kurds in Western Kurdistan have some Eastern Asian ancestry. But Kurds in Eastern Kurdistan have more Gedrosia and less Eastern Asian ancestry.

I am originally from those 'northern' Kurdistan areas. And I don't have much of Mongoloid ancestry. That means that Muslim Kurds are a little bit mixed with other Muslim populations.
Nevertheless there was not much mixture between Muslim Kurds and Muslim Azeris, because Muslim Kurds of 'Iran' are mostly Sunni, while Muslim Azeris are mostly Shia.

[Kyp]

I think this Kurd has some extra Azeri-Persian ancestry. His 'Gedrosia' is on a lower side for a Kurd from Eastern Kurdistan. That person has also some 'Siberian' in him/her which is a clear indication of mixture

Possible. Khoy is majority Azeri. And the Kurdish tribes of Maku and Khoy had history in Eastern Anatolia aswell.

But 3.30% EA is not unsusual for Kurds and other Iranians. It's not much more than the average.

Also Khoy is hardly "eastern" Kurdistan. It's a rarer northern region for Kurds.

[Kyp]

Kurds in Western Kurdistan have some Eastern Asian ancestry. But Kurds in Eastern Kurdistan have more Gedrosia and less Eastern Asian ancestry.

I am originally from those 'northern' Kurdistan areas. And I don't have much of Mongoloid ancestry. That means that Muslim Kurds are a little bit mixed with other Muslim populations.
Nevertheless there was not much mixture between Muslim Kurds and Muslim Azeris, because Muslim Kurds of 'Iran' are mostly Sunni, while Muslim Azeris are mostly Shia.

Turkish Kurd actually don't have more East Asian ancestry than Iranian Kurds. So that's false.

There are Shia Kurds in Kermanshah and Khorasan. Also there are turkified Shia Kurdish tribes among Azeris. Notably in Qarabaq in Qaradag and in Eastern Azerbaijan Province.

The Kurds in Khorasan frequently mix with Turks/Azeris aswell.

[Kyp]

Thanks bro. Tats are a very small community and are actually very much persecuted in Azerbaijan. I just wonder how much they are mixed. But you are right, when you move northwards toward Chechnya you will see the increase of Turkic and North European ancestry.


Stop talking out of your ass please. The Tats in Azerbaijan live in the Northeast bordering Dagestan. A region that didnt have much turkic prescence historically. Why should turkic ancestry increase towards Chechnya? The Tats are mixed. However not much with Turks but probably with other peasants and settled people previously living there. The most turkic regions in Azerbaijan Republic are in the Northwest bordering Georgia and Armenia and also in the south bordering Iran. The northeast is the least turkic region among all Azeris.


There are up to 1m Talysh/Tat people. The Tat subgroup of Talysh has only 40k souls.
There are even more Ezdi Kurds than Talysh people. And it makes me sad that most of them are assimilated either by the Persians or Azeri people.

Tats are not a subgroup of Talysh. They have completely different origins. The Tats of Azerbaijan speak a dialect of Persian. Talysh speak a northwest iranic language.

Don't mix up Tats of Azerbaijan Rep. (SW-Iranic) with Tats of Iran (NW-Iranic). Tat is an exonym.

[Leto]

Kurds in Western Kurdistan have some Eastern Asian ancestry. But Kurds in Eastern Kurdistan have more Gedrosia and less Eastern Asian ancestry.

I am originally from those 'northern' Kurdistan areas. And I don't have much of Mongoloid ancestry. That means that Muslim Kurds are a little bit mixed with other Muslim populations.
Nevertheless there was not much mixture between Muslim Kurds and Muslim Azeris, because Muslim Kurds of 'Iran' are mostly Sunni, while Muslim Azeris are mostly Shia.
Figuratively 99% of Kurds are some kind of Muslims. The Yazidis are a vanishingly small population, now largely uprooted by various armed conflicts and political instability in Iraq and Syria. And you can't even become a Yazidi, just like the Druze one has to be born into a Yazidi family in order to count as such. In the West and Russia you people just intermarry and get diluted with time being cut off from the traditional lifestyle.

[Guti]

Possible. Khoy is majority Azeri. And the Kurdish tribes of Maku and Khoy had history in Eastern Anatolia aswell.

But 3.30% EA is not unsusual for Kurds and other Iranians. It's not much more than the average.

Also Khoy is hardly "eastern" Kurdistan. It's a rarer northern region for Kurds.Khoy is 'eastern' Kurdistan for sure and it was also a homeland of the Medes. And Kurds are derived from the Medes. So people who are derived from the Medes, like Kurds, have the biggest claims to that region.
Turks can never claim these lands, because Turks are not native to Northwestern Asia anyway.


Btw, there are many different Kurdish clans and tribes in Eastern Kurdistan. One of those tribes is a Donboli tribe. Donboli tribe of Khoy has an Ezdi origin:

The Donboli came from Bokhtan, a Kurdish region between Siirt and Cizre in what is now southeastern Turkey. The first ancestor was a certain Isa Beg, who became in 1378 the ruler of Sokmanabad. His descendant, Sheikh Ahmad Beg, entered service of the Turkmen Aq Quyunlu, and then the family held several posts in Persian administration. According to Sharafkhan Bidlisi, the members of Donboli tribes were Yezidi, but one of their leaders by the name of Isa Beg, together with other families, converted to Islam

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donboli_(tribe)

[Guti]

Figuratively 99% of Kurds are some kind of Muslims. The Yazidis are a vanishingly small population, now largely uprooted by various armed conflicts and political instability in Iraq and Syria. And you can't even become a Yazidi, just like the Druze one has to be born into a Yazidi family in order to count as such. In the West and Russia you people just intermarry and get diluted with time being cut off from the traditional lifestyle.
If people leave us alone in the 21st century we will survive. There are still more than 1 million Ezdi Kurds, so we even still have a right for our homeland called Ezdixan, and we are working for it as we speak.

Of course Ezdis are mixing with other people around them, but they are a minority. And those who are married to other races are not considered Yezidi anymore.


Some examples in Russia are people like Zara. She has an Ezdi origin, but she was married to a Russian dude. So, she lost her 'Ezdi' identity now and is considered just a Kurd.

Another example of a lost soul is Ksenia Borodina (Ксения Бородина). Her father is an Ezdi from Armenia and her mother Russian. She is a lost cause, assimilated and here genes are gone to a bigger Russian population because she is married to a Russian dude and has kids with him.

https://i.postimg.cc/HL7V2Q7c/image.pnghttps://i.postimg.cc/0QzRmf6F/Ksenia-Borodina3-427x640.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/d1PDSL8W/image.jpghttps://i.postimg.cc/RF7qr4dv/image.jpg

[Leto]

I'd write a post about assimilation but let's not flood the thread with too much irrelevant posting. It's already large as a motherfucker.

[Zoro]

Full Kurds and Persians can score 2-3% East Eurasian too, that's not unusual.

Do you seriously think that the Caucasus component references don’t carry E. Eurasian ?? Here are the Caucasus component references from the Dodecad K12 spreadsheet




<tbody>
Dodecad K12 References






Population


Caucasus


Georgians

73.97



Abhkasians

70.00



North_Ossetians

56.70



Balkars

56.60



Adygei

56.54



Chechens

51.30



Turkish

46.40



Kumyks

46.30



Turks

46.25



Lezgins

45.60



Iranian

40.30



Nogais

37.23


</tbody>




Whatever E. Eurasian these references carry a sample scoring 50% Caucasus gets a 50% cut of their E. Eurasian.

Same thing for the Gedrosian component S. Asian references whether they’re Brahui, Pashtun or whatever . They all carry significant E./S. Eurasian. Any sample scoring 30% Gedrosian getss a 30% cut of their E./S. Eurasian

Same with the S. Indian references

You need to tally up all the E. Eurasians to get a total but you can be assured that it will end up being much more than 2-3%

[Guti]

Stop talking out of your ass please. The Tats in Azerbaijan live in the Northeast bordering Dagestan. A region that didnt have much turkic prescence historically. Why should turkic ancestry increase towards Chechnya? The Tats are mixed. However not much with Turks but probably with other peasants and settled people previously living there. The most turkic regions in Azerbaijan Republic are in the Northwest bordering Georgia and Armenia and also in the south bordering Iran. The northeast is the least turkic region among all Azeris.

Tats are not a subgroup of Talysh. They have completely different origins. The Tats of Azerbaijan speak a dialect of Persian. Talysh speak a northwest iranic language.

Don't mix up Tats of Azerbaijan Rep. (SW-Iranic) with Tats of Iran (NW-Iranic). Tat is an exonym.I see Tats as Persianized Talysh people living in the Caucasus. You can have a different few. It is up to you.

Tats and even the Chechens would have some Eastern Eurasian ancestry for the same reason as why Eastern Iranic Ossetians would have some Eastern Asian ancestry.

[Guti]

Areas with mixed Tat and Caucasian Tatar (Azeri) population

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f6/Tats_in_azerbaijan_1890.png

[Leto]

Do you seriously think that the Caucasus component references don’t carry E. Eurasian ?? Here are the Caucasus component references from the Dodecad K12 spreadsheet




<tbody>
Dodecad K12 References






Population


Caucasus


Georgians

73.97



Abhkasians

70.00



North_Ossetians

56.70



Balkars

56.60



Adygei

56.54



Chechens

51.30



Turkish

46.40



Kumyks

46.30



Turks

46.25



Lezgins

45.60



Iranian

40.30



Nogais

37.23


</tbody>




Whatever E. Eurasian these references carry a sample scoring 50% Caucasus gets a 50% cut of their E. Eurasian.

Same thing for the Gedrosian component S. Asian references whether they’re Brahui, Pashtun or whatever . They all carry significant E./S. Eurasian. Any sample scoring 30% Gedrosian getss a 30% cut of their E./S. Eurasian

Same with the S. Indian references

You need to tally up all the E. Eurasians to get a total but you can be assured that it will end up being much more than 2-3%
Get the fuck out of my face, Zoro! This thread is about Dodecad and in my book only Siberian, East Asian and Southeast Asian are Mongoloid components.

[Zoro]

Get the fuck out of my face, Zoro! This thread is about Dodecad and in my book only Siberian, East Asian and Southeast Asian are Mongoloid components.

This is how an ignorant Indian dumbass replies when they don’t get it

[Leto]

Tats and even the Chechens would have some Eastern Eurasian ancestry for the same reason as why Eastern Iranic Ossetians would have some Eastern Asian ancestry.
Language is almost irrelevant in the Northwestern Caucasus when it comes to that. IE North Ossetians, Circassian Kabardians and Turkic Karachay-Balkars score similar amounts of Mongoloid (5-10%).

[Leto]

This is how an ignorant Indian dumbass replies when they don’t get it
I am Russian, not Indian. Yes, I've been against your propaganda for a long time. Some even suspect you might be Dilawer himself and he is known for holding a big fucking grudge against Gedmatch and Global25.

[Zoro]

I am Russian, not Indian. Yes, I've been against your propaganda for a long time. Some even suspect you might be Dilawer himself and he is known for holding a big fucking grudge against Gedmatch and Global25.

Going off on tangents or telling people to shut up doesn’t make you look smarter.

Answer the fucking question. Do you or don’t you think the Dodecad k12 Caucasus references from the spreadsheet I posted carry E. Eurasian or not?? Or the the Gedrosian references?

If they do then you don’t have a say in the matter. Any sample scoring Caucasus or Gedrosian or S. Indian gets a cut of theirs


If Dilawer was so against Gedmatch why the fuck would he have a couple of calculators hosted there

[Leto]

Answer the fucking question. Do you or don’t you think the Dodecad k12 Caucasus references from the spreadsheet I posted carry E. Eurasian or not?? Or the the Gedrosian references?

If they do then you don’t have a say in the matter. Any sample scoring Caucasus or Gedrosian or S. Indian gets a cut of theirs

Yes, I do think those componets are almost entirely West Eurasian. You keep picking on me and anybody else who uses Dodecad scores in order to determine how much East/West Eur a sample is. That's why I have to strike back with harsh fighting words.

[Kyp]

I see Tats as Persianized Talysh people living in the Caucasus. You can have a different few. It is up to you.

Tats and even the Chechens would have some Eastern Eurasian ancestry for the same reason as why Eastern Iranic Ossetians would have some Eastern Asian ancestry.

Chechens and especially Dagestanis carry very little East Asian DNA in comparison to Azeris and Northwest Caucasians like Ossetians, Circassians and Karachay-Balkars that's why I was irritated by your statement.

[Kyp]

Khoy is 'eastern' Kurdistan for sure and it was also a homeland of the Medes. And Kurds are derived from the Medes. So people who are derived from the Medes, like Kurds, have the biggest claims to that region.
Turks can never claim these lands, because Turks are not native to Northwestern Asia anyway.


Btw, there are many different Kurdish clans and tribes in Eastern Kurdistan. One of those tribes is a Donboli tribe. Donboli tribe of Khoy has an Ezdi origin:

The Donboli came from Bokhtan, a Kurdish region between Siirt and Cizre in what is now southeastern Turkey. The first ancestor was a certain Isa Beg, who became in 1378 the ruler of Sokmanabad. His descendant, Sheikh Ahmad Beg, entered service of the Turkmen Aq Quyunlu, and then the family held several posts in Persian administration. According to Sharafkhan Bidlisi, the members of Donboli tribes were Yezidi, but one of their leaders by the name of Isa Beg, together with other families, converted to Islam

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donboli_(tribe)

There also is the Kuresunni tribe, who supposedly are of turkish (Chepni) origin.

[Leto]

Chechens and especially Dagestanis carry very little East Asian DNA in comparison to Azeris and Northwest Caucasians like Ossetians, Circassians and Karachay-Balkars that's why I was irritated by your statement.
The Qumuqs are a Turkic people in Dagestan (Caspian coast). The third largest ethnic group there, I believe.

[Kyp]

The Qumuqs are a Turkic people in Dagestan (Caspian coast). The third largest ethnic group there, I believe.

Yes but still Northeastern Azerbaijan is by far the least East Eurasian influenced region.

[Kyp]

Khoy is 'eastern' Kurdistan for sure and it was also a homeland of the Medes. And Kurds are derived from the Medes. So people who are derived from the Medes, like Kurds, have the biggest claims to that region.
Turks can never claim these lands, because Turks are not native to Northwestern Asia anyway.


Btw, there are many different Kurdish clans and tribes in Eastern Kurdistan. One of those tribes is a Donboli tribe. Donboli tribe of Khoy has an Ezdi origin:

The Donboli came from Bokhtan, a Kurdish region between Siirt and Cizre in what is now southeastern Turkey. The first ancestor was a certain Isa Beg, who became in 1378 the ruler of Sokmanabad. His descendant, Sheikh Ahmad Beg, entered service of the Turkmen Aq Quyunlu, and then the family held several posts in Persian administration. According to Sharafkhan Bidlisi, the members of Donboli tribes were Yezidi, but one of their leaders by the name of Isa Beg, together with other families, converted to Islam

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donboli_(tribe)

Khoy isn't Kurdistan at all buddy. It's Iran and the vast majority of the people are Azerbaijanis.

[Zoro]

Yes, I do think those componets are almost entirely West Eurasian. You keep picking on me and anybody else who uses Dodecad scores in order to determine how much East/West Eur a sample is. That's why I have to strike back with harsh fighting words.

You’re entitled to your opinion but the Caucasus, Gedrosian or S. Indian components are not entirely W. Eurasian because some of the Caucasus component references such as Balkars, Kumyks, Turks and Nogais do carry significant E. Eurasian.

Same thing for sone of the Gedrosian component S. Asian references they also carry significant E. Eurasian. Same for S. Indian.

[Guti]

Khoy isn't Kurdistan at all buddy. It's Iran and the vast majority of the people are Azerbaijanis.LAMO, do you know what Khoy (Xoy) means? It means 'salt' in Kurdish. Turkic/Azeri name for salt is 'duz' or 'tuz', something very different than Khoy (Xoy).

Of course is Khoy a Kurdish city. The name of the city is of a Kurdic origin

[Sterling Archer]

I see Tats as Persianized Talysh people living in the Caucasus. You can have a different few. It is up to you.

Tats and even the Chechens would have some Eastern Eurasian ancestry for the same reason as why Eastern Iranic Ossetians would have some Eastern Asian ancestry.
Few ydna evidence I'm aware doesn't support the fact that the Tats are assimilated Talysh. All paternal linages belonged to the local, caucasian branches unlike the Talysh.
Their language is not in the same branch as Talysh either. Don't know how dialects are defined but it is not mutually intelligible with Persian either. I say this as a person who is from an are adjecent to Tats and also have tat relatives.

[Sterling Archer]

LAMO, do you know what Khoy (Xoy) means? It means 'salt' in Kurdish. Turkic/Azeri name for salt is 'duz' or 'tuz', something very different than Khoy (Xoy).

Of course is Khoy a Kurdish city. The name of the city is of a Kurdic origin

I think we should stop this shit show. This is no place to argue who's city it is.

[Leto]

Two Dagestanis (they share about 351 cM)

Gedrosia 26.44 Pct
Siberian 2.9 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 2.81 Pct
North_European 27.35 Pct
South_Asian 1 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 2.53 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 36.97 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Gedrosia 23.5 Pct
Siberian 2.28 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 5.05 Pct
North_European 27.24 Pct
South_Asian 1.37 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 2.65 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 37.91 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Dagestan as the rest of the North Caucasus is not a very safe place and the people are notorious for higher than average crime rates and general asocial behavior in Russian cities but after I learned more about their genetics it's now my favorite part of the Caucasus (maybe after Orthodox Georgia). :cool:

[Guti]

Few ydna evidence I'm aware doesn't support the fact that the Tats are assimilated Talysh. All paternal linages belonged to the local, caucasian branches unlike the Talysh.
Their language is not in the same branch as Talysh either. Don't know how dialects are defined but it is not mutually intelligible with Persian either. I say this as a person who is from an are adjecent to Tats and also have tat relatives.Maybe I could be wrong but I thought that Tat people came originally from Gilan and settled in the Caucasus during the Sassanid (Khosrow I) era. This is what their (Caucasus Tats) origin story is telling us.


But according to iranicaonline.org, Tats in the Caucasus are different from Tati in Iran. So Iranian Tats are more related to Talysh and other Northwestern Iranic people, while Tats in Azer are Persianized people.

Tātī and Ṭālešī (Talyshi) together make up the larger dialect chains which together make up the larger Tatic family (not to be confused with Tat-Persian spoken in pockets north of the Baku area). Among these, the two Tātī pockets in Gīlān, Kalāsī and Kabataʾī, have their closest relatives in Upper Tārom in Zanjān province.

https://iranicaonline.org/articles/gilan-x

[Sterling Archer]

Maybe I could be wrong but I thought that Tat people came originally from Gilan and settled in the Caucasus during the Sassanid (Khosrow I) era. This is what their (Caucasus Tats) origin story is telling us.


But according to iranicaonline.org, Tats in the Caucasus are different from Tati in Iran. So Iranian Tats are more related to Talysh and other Northwestern Iranic people, while Tats in Azer are Persianized people.

Tātī and Ṭālešī (Talyshi) together make up the larger dialect chains which together make up the larger Tatic family (not to be confused with Tat-Persian spoken in pockets north of the Baku area). Among these, the two Tātī pockets in Gīlān, Kalāsī and Kabataʾī, have their closest relatives in Upper Tārom in Zanjān province.

https://iranicaonline.org/articles/gilan-x

Yes, you are mistaking them. Iranian Tats aren't the same as the Caucasian ones. Even their languages belong to different branches.

[Kyp]

Maybe I could be wrong but I thought that Tat people came originally from Gilan and settled in the Caucasus during the Sassanid (Khosrow I) era. This is what their (Caucasus Tats) origin story is telling us.


But according to iranicaonline.org, Tats in the Caucasus are different from Tati in Iran. So Iranian Tats are more related to Talysh and other Northwestern Iranic people, while Tats in Azer are Persianized people.

Tātī and Ṭālešī (Talyshi) together make up the larger dialect chains which together make up the larger Tatic family (not to be confused with Tat-Persian spoken in pockets north of the Baku area). Among these, the two Tātī pockets in Gīlān, Kalāsī and Kabataʾī, have their closest relatives in Upper Tārom in Zanjān province.

https://iranicaonline.org/articles/gilan-x

Because "Tat" is an exonym turks in the region used to refer to (muslim)-settled people. Some nomadic turks even call non-nomadic turks "tat". Like the Shahsevan they refer to everyone else as Tat.

Another example would be the region of Miandoab where turkic speakers are usually named in two groups: "Afshar" and "Tat"

[Guti]

Yamnaya people. There were more Caucaso-Iranic (Gedrosia) than Caucaso-Anatolian (Caucasus).

https://i.postimg.cc/x1T1CHwR/Yamnaya.jpg


https://www.eupedia.com/genetics/yamna_culture.shtml

[orhanaa]

Ersari Turkmen result from Turkmenistan

Gedrosian: 15.60
Siberian: 15.97
Northwest_African: -
Southeast_Asian: 2.17
Atlantic_Med: 5.24
North_European: 18.47
South_Asian: 3.02
East_African: -
Southwest_Asian: 4.26
East_Asian: 17.81
Caucasian: 17.48
Sub_Saharan: -

[Leto]

Ersari Turkmen result from Turkmenistan

Gedrosian: 15.60
Siberian: 15.97
Northwest_African: -
Southeast_Asian: 2.17
Atlantic_Med: 5.24
North_European: 18.47
South_Asian: 3.02
East_African: -
Southwest_Asian: 4.26
East_Asian: 17.81
Caucasian: 17.48
Sub_Saharan: -
This one is very interesting. I wonder if I have seen it before.

EDIT:


These are Turkmens (they match old academic Turkmen kits)

Two close relatives

Gedrosia 15.6 Pct
Siberian 15.97 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 2.17 Pct
Atlantic_Med 5.24 Pct
North_European 18.47 Pct
South_Asian 3.02 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 4.26 Pct
East_Asian 17.81 Pct
Caucasus 17.48 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Gedrosia 17.58 Pct
Siberian 15.69 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 1.47 Pct
Atlantic_Med 5.95 Pct
North_European 16.92 Pct
South_Asian 4.42 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 4.52 Pct
East_Asian 17.13 Pct
Caucasus 16.26 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.06 Pct


Gedrosia 17.85 Pct
Siberian 17 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 1.95 Pct
Atlantic_Med 5.61 Pct
North_European 13.83 Pct
South_Asian 5.39 Pct
East_African 0.96 Pct
Southwest_Asian 5.13 Pct
East_Asian 16.56 Pct
Caucasus 15.64 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.07 Pct

Gedrosia 12.61 Pct
Siberian 18.16 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 3.45 Pct
Atlantic_Med 5.67 Pct
North_European 13.3 Pct
South_Asian 2.81 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 4.4 Pct
East_Asian 18.21 Pct
Caucasus 21.39 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

[Kyp]

Another Tat from the Republic of Azerbaijan:

Gedrosian: 25.44
Siberian: 0.98
Northwest_African: 0.00
Southeast_Asian: 0.89
Atlantic_Med: 7.12
North_European: 14.18
South_Asian 2.49
East_African 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 10.74
East_Asian: 2.41
Caucasian: 35.75
SSA: 0.00

Distance to: Tat_Azerbaijan5
5.16389388 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
6.10367103 Tat_Azerbaijan
6.56080788 Azerbaijani_North
6.81441120 Kurd_Kordestan
6.96258573 Iranian_Zoroastrian
7.57927437 Iranian_Isfahan
7.69836346 Azerbaijani_Tabriz
7.82549040 Azerbaijani_Iran
7.96287009 Azerbaijani_Republic
8.31143790 Iranian_Khorasan
8.39946427 Iranian_Central
8.58390937 Kurd_Kermanshah
8.65360041 Dersim
9.08047906 Azerbaijani_Northwest
9.29214184 Kurd_Kurmanji
9.35036363 Yazidi_Kurd
9.41362842 Azerbaijani_Turkey
9.52385951 Kurd_Sorani
9.65795009 Talysh_Azerbaijan
9.77493734 Iranian_Kerman
9.96450701 Iranian_Fars
9.99496873 Iranian_Kerman
10.74203891 Lezgin
11.04432433 Turk_Southeast
11.20218729 Kumyk



New average including this result:


Tat_Azerbaijan,23.67,2.25,0.28,0.45,6.59,13.38,2.9 5,0.09,10.31,1.08,38.96,0

[Leto]

@Kyp, you can remove "Dersim" and reinstate "Zaza/Kurd_Turkey", it's in my version. That controversy is a non-issue, who cares anyway.

[placebo]

.......

[placebo]

I don't know if it's posted before but as far as I know it's Turkish East Eurasian record

Fully Turkish from Bolu/Seben (Western Black Sea)

Gedrosian: 10.80
Siberian: 9.45
Northwest_African: 1.10
Southeast_Asian: -
Atlantic_Med: 11.29
North_European: 16.16
South_Asian: 1.90
East_African: 0.70
East_Asian: 11.18
Caucasus: 28.01
Sub_Saharan: -

lol sorry forgot to add southwest_asian, it's from turkish dna project facebook group

I don't know if it's posted before but as far as I know it's Turkish East Eurasian record

Fully Turkish from Bolu/Seben (Western Black Sea)

Gedrosian: 10.80
Siberian: 9.45
Northwest_African: 1.10
Southeast_Asian: -
Atlantic_Med: 11.29
North_European: 16.16
South_Asian: 1.90
East_African: 0.70
Southwest_Asian: 9.41
East_Asian: 11.18
Caucasus: 28.01
Sub_Saharan: -

Distance to: Turkish_Seben
9.48371235 Turk_Northwest
11.09613446 Turk_Southwest
13.15616585 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
13.20565409 Turkmen_Iran
13.31880625 Turk_West_Black_Sea
13.74803622 Turkmen_Turkmenistan
14.36030989 Turk_South
14.71347342 Turk_Central_West
14.84172497 Nogai
14.87592686 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
15.72432828 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
16.84594610 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe
17.10450818 Turk_Trakya
17.61081486 Turk_Central_East
18.22901808 Turk_Southeast
18.89240853 Uzbek
19.42225013 Turkmen_Afghanistan
19.47516110 Kabardin
19.88907489 Turk_Deliorman
20.26412100 Azerbaijani_Turkey
20.55498480 Kumyk
20.64348323 Uzbeki
20.77201723 Greek_Lemnos
20.83534257 Azerbaijani_Iran
20.83850043 Abazin

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/669669383567573001/999803257528537169/IMG_7086.png

[placebo]

Another high East Eurasian Turkish result from Muğla (Southwest Anatolia)

Gedrosian: 13.42
Siberian: 10.91
Northwest_African: 1.21
Southeast_Asian: -
Atlantic_Med: 13.45
North_European: 11.37
South_Asian: 1.23
East_African: 0.66
Southwest_Asian: 9.16
East_Asian: 8.15
Caucasus: 30.44
Sub_Saharan: -

Distance to: Turkish_Muğla
6.78714962 Turk_Northwest
7.25581146 Turk_Southwest
10.10839255 Turk_West_Black_Sea
10.25514017 Turk_South
10.76426031 Turk_Central_West
11.46410485 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
13.21518445 Turkmen_Iran
13.45788245 Turk_Central_East
13.59009566 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
14.15648615 Turk_Southeast
15.36230777 Turkmen_Turkmenistan
16.19852462 Azerbaijani_Turkey
16.26710177 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
16.95970224 Azerbaijani_Iran
17.07008787 Azerbaijani_Republic
17.41264483 Nogai
18.43381404 Kabardin
18.95796930 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
18.95801414 Tat_Azerbaijan
19.27443903 Turk_Trakya
19.39702812 Turk_Cyprus
19.47734325 Greek_Lemnos
19.48090090 Abazin
19.51721548 Greek_Crete
19.67769295 Greek_Fournoi

[Sterling Archer]

double

[Kyp]

Ethnic Tat from Siyazan and Khizi in the North-East Azerbaijan:

https://i.imgur.com/WzxaFzq.jpg

I posted this result on the previous page. But I have to point out that one of his great-grandparents was Lezgi.

Here is another new Tat result from Absheron:

Gedrosian: 22.20
Siberian: 3.43
Northwest_African: 0.00
Southeast_Asian: 1.62
Atlantic_Med: 4.96
North_European: 12.55
South_Asian 1.22
East_African 0.91
Southwest_Asian: 12.50
East_Asian: 0.00
Caucasian: 40.59
SSA: 0.00

Distance to: Tat_Azerbaijan06
4.07835751 Azerbaijani_North
4.54214707 Tat_Azerbaijan
5.63749945 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
6.16252383 Azerbaijani_Republic
6.67113933 Azerbaijani_Iran
6.70877038 Dersim
7.04258475 Azerbaijani_Tabriz
7.43460826 Azerbaijani_Turkey
7.52152910 Talysh_Azerbaijan
7.60635261 Kurd_Kordestan
7.76755431 Kurd_Kurmanji
8.75929221 Iranian_Isfahan
8.91038720 Udi_Azerbaijan
9.01778798 Kurd_Sorani
9.07381397 Azerbaijani_Northwest
9.13672261 Yazidi_Kurd
9.42649458 Iranian_Zoroastrian
9.53828601 Turk_Southeast
9.59965104 Kurd_Kermanshah
9.64371298 Turkmen_Iraq
9.82143574 Iranian_Central
9.98123740 Kurd_Feyli
10.39900476 Turk_East
10.89799982 Iranian_Gilan
11.16195323 Turk_Central_East

[Sterling Archer]

I posted this result on the previous page.
Sorry, I somehow missed it.

[Sterling Archer]

I posted this result on the previous page. But I have to point out that one of his great-grandparents was Lezgi.

Here is another new Tat result from Absheron:

Gedrosian: 22.20
Siberian: 3.43
Northwest_African: 0.00
Southeast_Asian: 1.62
Atlantic_Med: 4.96
North_European: 12.55
South_Asian 1.22
East_African 0.91
Southwest_Asian: 12.50
East_Asian: 0.00
Caucasian: 40.59
SSA: 0.00


In Azerbaijani the Tats are also referred to as dağlı which translates as mountain people. This results from Absheron leads me to believe that the Tats moved from mountains in the North East of Azerbaijan to the Caspian coast around Baku.

[Arzanene]

Target: tat_absheron
Distance: 246.9932% / 2.46993171 | ADC: 0.5x RC
50.6 Ingush
32.4 Kurd_Sorani
10.8 Saudi
6.2 Chechen

Target: tat_absheron
Distance: 247.7457% / 2.47745664 | ADC: 0.25x RC
57.4 Ingush
31.8 Kurd_Sorani
10.8 Saudi

Target: tat_absheron
Distance: 239.7254% / 2.39725426 | ADC: 0.25x RC
60.4 Ingush
21.4 Iranian_Lur
12.0 Saudi
3.2 Iranian_Zoroastrian
3.0 Iranian_Central


it could also be that Tats are a mixture of the Sassanid era Iranic colonists to the region who assimilated and mixed with the local tribes of the Shirvan region.

[Oturan Boğa]

Found this on Reddit, apparently he is from Ankara:

Caucasus: 31.58
North_European: 16.83
Gedrosia: 12.47
Atlantic_Med: 11.92
Southwest_Asian: 11.13
East_Asian: 8.2
Siberian: 5.82
Northwest_African: 0.96
South_Asian: 0.86
Sub_Saharan: 0.23
Southeast_Asian: 0
East_African: 0

Can someone run his results ? I lack the spreadsheet.

[Kyp]

Found this on Reddit, apparently he is from Ankara:

Caucasus: 31.58
North_European: 16.83
Gedrosia: 12.47
Atlantic_Med: 11.92
Southwest_Asian: 11.13
East_Asian: 8.2
Siberian: 5.82
Northwest_African: 0.96
South_Asian: 0.86
Sub_Saharan: 0.23
Southeast_Asian: 0
East_African: 0

Can someone run his results ? I lack the spreadsheet.

Distance to: Turk_Ankara
5.23662105 Turk_Northwest
6.90036231 Turk_Southwest
8.22870585 Turk_West_BlackSea
9.26546815 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
9.84129565 Turk_Central_West
10.03324972 Turk_South
11.68991446 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
12.80934034 Turk_Central_East
13.55057563 Turk_Southeast
14.04266000 Azerbaijani_Northwest
14.83165871 Turkmen_Iran
15.27081530 Turk_Trakya
15.28385750 Kabardin
15.53772828 Nogai
15.75070157 Azerbaijani_Turkey
16.06017435 Azerbaijani_North
16.18094558 Kumyk
16.23931957 Azerbaijani_Republic
16.43482279 Azerbaijani_Tabriz
16.55910324 Azerbaijani_Iran
16.74219520 Greek_Lemnos
16.75390701 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
16.79388281 Abazin
17.26435924 Greek_Crete
17.41832369 Greek_Fournoi

[turan4]

New Dodecad results for Azerbaijanis. The first batch is from agjabedi (a district of Azerbaijan located in the center)

agcabedi1013,24.47,1.63,0,2.05,4.73,5.02,3.58,0.72 ,11.24,1.81,43.04,1.71
agcabedi1054,23.17,3.25,0,0,9.14,7.48,0.28,0,15.16 ,2.12,39.13,0.25
agcabedi1039,22.2,2.96,0,1.52,9.72,6.98,0,1.19,12. 35,2.68,40.16,0.24
agcabedi1037,21.48,1.1,2.58,0,6.33,8.1,2.58,0,10.8 4,6,40.8,0.19
agcabedi1012,22.13,2.25,1.51,0.58,6.2,8.26,0.43,0. 64,11.23,7.07,39.7,0
agcabedi1018,20.46,0,2.53,0,8.67,9.1,3.44,0,10.79, 3.76,41.24,0
agcabedi1017,22.32,0,0.44,4.14,8.52,8.5,2.25,0,14. 24,3.17,36.4,0
agcabedi1010,23.94,1.77, 0.44, 0,7.8,8.13,1,0,14.19,3.82,38.64,0.25
agcabedi1058,23.42,0,1.36,0,9.89,7.77,3.68,0.48,12 .48,4.2,36.45,0.26
azerbaijani13_1m Azerbaijani-agcabedi,19.94,2.26,2.47,1.89,8.21,9.41,0.92,0,10. 02,4.27,40.62,0

Agjabedi_average,22.353,1.522,1.133,1.018,7.921,7. 875,1.816,0.303,12.254,3.89,39.618,0.29


Second batch is from derbend_dagestan


dagestan_derbend-0853,24.35,0.46,0,0.77,8.53,19.41,1.49,0,6.52,1.58 ,36.5,0.39
dagestan_derbend-0860,20.22,1.7,0,3.59,7.3,13.83,0, 0,9.87,0.19,43.31,0
dagestan_derbend-0864,20.58,2.09,1.06,4.18,6.66,15.28,1.16,0.41,8.4 4,0.29,39.84,0
dagestan_derbend-0865,23.83,0.49,0,0,12.1,8.66,3.48,0.59,10.33,3.37 ,37.11,0
dagestan_derbend-0866,21.84,1.35,0,2.67, 9.44, 14.84,1.03,0.59,9.14,0.93, 38.17,0
dagestan_derbend-0868,22.98,3.13,1.92,0.78,8.81,11.99,0.78,0,7.13,3 .5,38.04,0.95
dagestan_derbend-0869,24.82,1.53,0.23,0,2.92,15.31,0.99,0,7.85,4.06 ,42.29,0
dagestan_derbend-0870,23.59,2.12,0.09,1.49,7.42,10.25,1.32,0,10.65, 3.49,39.59,0


Derbend_average,22.77625,1.60875,0.4125,1.685,7.89 75,13.69625,1.28125,0.19875,8.74125,2.17625,39.356 25,0.1675

I have attached the closest populations for each average. It is interesting that the closest population for Derbend_Average is Tat_Azerbaijanis excluding Dagestan_Azerbaijanis114849 114850

[Sterling Archer]

New Dodecad results for Azerbaijanis. The first batch is from agjabedi (a district of Azerbaijan located in the center)
Agjabedi_average,22.353,1.522,1.133,1.018,7.921,7. 875,1.816,0.303,12.254,3.89,39.618,0.29

Derbend_average,22.77625,1.60875,0.4125,1.685,7.89 75,13.69625,1.28125,0.19875,8.74125,2.17625,39.356 25,0.1675

I have attached the closest populations for each average. It is interesting that the closest population for Derbend_Average is Tat_Azerbaijanis excluding Dagestan_Azerbaijanis114849 114850

I think these results are from an academic study that has already been posted here. Dagestani numbers went into updating Dagestani Azeri average.
As for proximity, it is not surprising. Tats live in the north and mixed with the Dagestani people, just as Azerbaijanis have done.

[Kyp]

New Dodecad results for Azerbaijanis. The first batch is from agjabedi (a district of Azerbaijan located in the center)

agcabedi1013,24.47,1.63,0,2.05,4.73,5.02,3.58,0.72 ,11.24,1.81,43.04,1.71
agcabedi1054,23.17,3.25,0,0,9.14,7.48,0.28,0,15.16 ,2.12,39.13,0.25
agcabedi1039,22.2,2.96,0,1.52,9.72,6.98,0,1.19,12. 35,2.68,40.16,0.24
agcabedi1037,21.48,1.1,2.58,0,6.33,8.1,2.58,0,10.8 4,6,40.8,0.19
agcabedi1012,22.13,2.25,1.51,0.58,6.2,8.26,0.43,0. 64,11.23,7.07,39.7,0
agcabedi1018,20.46,0,2.53,0,8.67,9.1,3.44,0,10.79, 3.76,41.24,0
agcabedi1017,22.32,0,0.44,4.14,8.52,8.5,2.25,0,14. 24,3.17,36.4,0
agcabedi1010,23.94,1.77, 0.44, 0,7.8,8.13,1,0,14.19,3.82,38.64,0.25
agcabedi1058,23.42,0,1.36,0,9.89,7.77,3.68,0.48,12 .48,4.2,36.45,0.26
azerbaijani13_1m Azerbaijani-agcabedi,19.94,2.26,2.47,1.89,8.21,9.41,0.92,0,10. 02,4.27,40.62,0

Agjabedi_average,22.353,1.522,1.133,1.018,7.921,7. 875,1.816,0.303,12.254,3.89,39.618,0.29


Second batch is from derbend_dagestan


dagestan_derbend-0853,24.35,0.46,0,0.77,8.53,19.41,1.49,0,6.52,1.58 ,36.5,0.39
dagestan_derbend-0860,20.22,1.7,0,3.59,7.3,13.83,0, 0,9.87,0.19,43.31,0
dagestan_derbend-0864,20.58,2.09,1.06,4.18,6.66,15.28,1.16,0.41,8.4 4,0.29,39.84,0
dagestan_derbend-0865,23.83,0.49,0,0,12.1,8.66,3.48,0.59,10.33,3.37 ,37.11,0
dagestan_derbend-0866,21.84,1.35,0,2.67, 9.44, 14.84,1.03,0.59,9.14,0.93, 38.17,0
dagestan_derbend-0868,22.98,3.13,1.92,0.78,8.81,11.99,0.78,0,7.13,3 .5,38.04,0.95
dagestan_derbend-0869,24.82,1.53,0.23,0,2.92,15.31,0.99,0,7.85,4.06 ,42.29,0
dagestan_derbend-0870,23.59,2.12,0.09,1.49,7.42,10.25,1.32,0,10.65, 3.49,39.59,0


Derbend_average,22.77625,1.60875,0.4125,1.685,7.89 75,13.69625,1.28125,0.19875,8.74125,2.17625,39.356 25,0.1675

I have attached the closest populations for each average. It is interesting that the closest population for Derbend_Average is Tat_Azerbaijanis excluding Dagestan_Azerbaijanis114849 114850

Yup they have been already posted, but it's nice to know that the Republic ones are from Aghjabadi.

[Sterling Archer]

Yup they have been already posted, but it's nice to know that the Republic ones are from Aghjabadi.

Something is off here. For example this sample seems to be straight up some kind of Iranic.
agcabedi1013,24.47,1.63,0,2.05,4.73,5.02,3.58,0.72 ,11.24,1.81,43.04,1.71

Distance to: agcabedi1013
4.19702275 Talysh_Azerbaijan
6.08150475 Zaza/Kurd_Turkey
6.22299767 Kurd_Feyli
6.87878623 Iranian_Lur
6.90029710 Kurd_Kurmanji
7.12143946 Kurd_Sorani
7.32721639 Yazidi
7.40611234 Azerbaijani_Iran
7.64174718 Azerbaijani_Republic
8.21295318 Iranian_Central
8.24764209 Azerbaijani_Turkey
8.32161042 Turkmen_Iraq
8.55164312 Udi_Azerbaijan
9.42779932 Iranian_Zoroastrian
9.86735020 Iranian_Mazandaran
9.93851599 Tat_Azerbaijan
10.02497880 Iranian_Fars
10.12064721 Turk_East
10.80850591 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
11.54210120 Turk_Southeast
11.83973395 Turk_Ahıska
12.26408578 Georgian_Kartli-Kakheti
12.71025177 Azerbaijani_Jew
12.89775174 Iranian_Kerman
13.03975076 Armenian_East

[Kyp]

Something is off here. For example this sample seems to be straight up some kind of Iranic.
agcabedi1013,24.47,1.63,0,2.05,4.73,5.02,3.58,0.72 ,11.24,1.81,43.04,1.71

Distance to: agcabedi1013
4.19702275 Talysh_Azerbaijan
6.08150475 Zaza/Kurd_Turkey
6.22299767 Kurd_Feyli
6.87878623 Iranian_Lur
6.90029710 Kurd_Kurmanji
7.12143946 Kurd_Sorani
7.32721639 Yazidi
7.40611234 Azerbaijani_Iran
7.64174718 Azerbaijani_Republic
8.21295318 Iranian_Central
8.24764209 Azerbaijani_Turkey
8.32161042 Turkmen_Iraq
8.55164312 Udi_Azerbaijan
9.42779932 Iranian_Zoroastrian
9.86735020 Iranian_Mazandaran
9.93851599 Tat_Azerbaijan
10.02497880 Iranian_Fars
10.12064721 Turk_East
10.80850591 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
11.54210120 Turk_Southeast
11.83973395 Turk_Ahıska
12.26408578 Georgian_Kartli-Kakheti
12.71025177 Azerbaijani_Jew
12.89775174 Iranian_Kerman
13.03975076 Armenian_East

I don't think it's off for Aghjabadi. Could be assimilated Kurds or other Iranic speakers. Such results exist in Iranian Azerbaijan too every now and then.

Btw the region that they are from is all apparently from Hindarx in the Northwestern parts of Aghjabadi.

[Sterling Archer]

I don't think it's off for Aghjabadi. Could be assimilated Kurds or other Iranic speakers. Such results exist in Iranian Azerbaijan too every now and then.

Btw the region that they are from is all apparently from Hindarx in the Northwestern parts of Aghjabadi.

Yes, that is likely the case. I asked around, and it turns out there has been a migration from Lachin to Agjabadi. For example, the population of Taxtakörpü willage is from Lachin (which had a large Kurdish population).

https://az.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxtak%C3%B6rp%C3%BC_q%C9%99s%C9%99b%C9%99si

[Bysf]

1) Tat_Azerbaijan (n=5)

Gedrosia 22.23
Siberian 2.44
Northwest_African 0.57
Southeast_Asian 0.51
Atlantic_Med 6.37
North_European 12.28
South_Asian 2.7
East_African 0.25
Southwest_Asian 10.92
East_Asian 1.05
Caucasus 40.18
Sub_Saharan 0.31

Tat_Azerbaijan,22.23,2.44,0.57,0.51,6.37,12.28,2.7 ,0.25,10.92,1.05,40.18,0.31

2) Tat_Azerbaijan(+) (n=6 , with 1/8 Lezgi one)

Gedrosia 22.77
Siberian 2.20
Northwest_African 0.47
Southeast_Asian 0.57
Atlantic_Med 6.50
North_European 12.60
South_Asian 2.67
East_African 0.20
Southwest_Asian 10.89
East_Asian 1.28
Caucasus 39.44
Sub_Saharan 0

Tat_Azerbaijan(+),22.77,2.20,0.47,0.57,6.50,12.60, 2.67,0.20,10.89,1.28,39.44,0

[Bysf]

Azerbaijani_Tovuz-Shamkir,19.69,3.34,0.63,0.45,9.24,9.51,1.79,0.21,1 1.32,7.24,37,0

Azerbaijani_Tovuz-Shamkir (n=4)
Gedrosia 19.69
Siberian 3.34
Northwest_African 0.63
Southeast_Asian 0.45
Atlantic_Med 9.24
North_European 9.51
South_Asian 1.79
East_African 0.21
Southwest_Asian 11,32
East_Asian 7.24
Caucasus 37
Sub_Saharan 0

[Bysf]

Distance to: Turkmen_TM
5.54838715 Turkmen_Iran
10.63223871 Tajik_Mountain
10.73090397 Iranian_Khorasan
11.18938783 Tajik_Herat
12.09107936 Tajik_Lowland
12.52353385 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
14.19478425 Azerbaijani_Tovuz-Shamkir
14.28881031 Iranian_Kerman
14.84247284 Azerbaijani_Tabriz
14.98963976 Azerbaijani_Average

[Bysf]

Azerbaijani_Tovuz-Shamkir,19.69,3.34,0.63,0.45,9.24,9.51,1.79,0.21,1 1.32,7.24,37,0

Azerbaijani_Tovuz-Shamkir (n=4)
Gedrosia 19.69
Siberian 3.34
Northwest_African 0.63
Southeast_Asian 0.45
Atlantic_Med 9.24
North_European 9.51
South_Asian 1.79
East_African 0.21
Southwest_Asian 11,32
East_Asian 7.24
Caucasus 37
Sub_Saharan 0
Distance to: Turkmen_TM
5.54838715 Turkmen_Iran
10.63223871 Tajik_Mountain
10.73090397 Iranian_Khorasan
11.18938783 Tajik_Herat
12.09107936 Tajik_Lowland
12.52353385 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
14.19478425 Azerbaijani_Tovuz-Shamkir
14.28881031 Iranian_Kerman
14.84247284 Azerbaijani_Tabriz
14.98963976 Azerbaijani_Average

[Ratmir]

Here's a Tat-like Azerbaijani result, might be an actual Azeri. The Tat average used includes the partially Lezgin individual

Gedrosia 19.48 Pct
Siberian 2.42 Pct
Northwest_African 0.59 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.66 Pct
Atlantic_Med 6.88 Pct
North_European 12.59 Pct
South_Asian 3.13 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 10.81 Pct
East_Asian 0.21 Pct
Caucasus 43 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.23 Pct

Distance to: Sultanov
5.01686157 Tat_Azerbaijan
6.30695648 Azerbaijani_Republic
6.35627249 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
6.48041665 Azerbaijani_Turkey
6.74505745 Udi_Azerbaijan
7.52901720 Turk_East
7.57710367 Azerbaijani_Iran
8.08515306 Zaza/Kurd_Turkey
8.44424064 Talysh_Azerbaijan
8.82283968 Kurd_Kurmanji
8.90280293 Turk_Southeast
8.99622143 Turk_Central_East
9.46643544 Adyghe
10.10497897 Ingush
10.38595686 Turk_Ahıska
10.40771349 Turk_South
10.41187303 Abazin
10.48498450 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
10.57506501 Kumyk
10.65280714 Karachay

Distance to: Sultanov
2.12661870 53.20% Adyghe + 46.80% Turkmen_Iraq
2.43947804 66.40% Adyghe + 33.60% Iranian_Arab
2.45887212 61.00% Adyghe + 39.00% Iraqi_Baghdad
2.52739814 49.60% Ossetian + 50.40% Turkmen_Iraq
2.72701719 36.80% Iranian_Arab + 63.20% Ossetian
2.76664811 42.20% Iraqi_Baghdad + 57.80% Ossetian
2.85056476 78.40% Tat_Azerbaijan + 21.60% Turk_East_Black_Sea
2.85731092 42.00% Azerbaijani_Jew + 58.00% Kumyk
2.89167973 69.60% Adyghe + 30.40% Iraqi_Arab
2.90726246 50.00% Karachay + 50.00% Turkmen_Iraq

Target: Sultanov
Distance: 1.2422% / 1.24219704 | ADC: 0.25x RC
44.1 Tat_Azerbaijan
32.6 Adyghe
17.9 Armenian_East
3.6 Yemenite_Mahra
1.8 Bhunjia

[orhanaa]

My results ; Alevi Turcoman from Turkey / Ordu

Gedrosian: 14.3
Siberian: 7.63
Northwest_African: 1.36
Southeast_Asian: 1.2
Atlantic_Med: 11.5
North_European: 7.99
South_Asian: -
East_African: 0.28
Southwest_Asian: 11.42
East_Asian: 3.81
Caucasian: 40.51
Sub_Saharan: -

[Kyp]

Bad news: the samples in the G25 spreadsheet labelled as Iranian_Fars weren't actually from Fars province but from all over Iran. A friend of mine found out their actual locations after contacting the conducter of the study. I suggest deleting the average or renaming it as Iranian_Average.

I also runned them through Dodecad now and added the correct geographical label:

https://i.imgur.com/3F7d4dR.jpg

[kiolol]

Im half west assyrian and half west armenian these are my dodecad results.

Dodecad K12b Oracle results:
# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 45.77
2 Gedrosia 17.43
3 Southwest_Asian 14.6
4 Atlantic_Med 12.67
5 North_European 4.98
6 Northwest_African 3.7
7 Southeast_Asian 0.84

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 7.16
2 Turks (Behar) 8.36
3 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 8.82
4 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 9.04
5 Turkish (Dodecad) 9.09
6 Assyrian (Dodecad) 9.18
7 Armenian (Dodecad) 10.05
8 Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) 10.3
9 Iranian_Jews (Behar) 11.02
10 Iraq_Jews (Behar) 11.5
11 Lebanese (Behar) 11.6
12 Druze (HGDP) 12.42
13 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 12.56
14 Kurd (Dodecad) 13.47
15 Cypriots (Behar) 13.73
16 Armenians (Behar) 14.01
17 Iranian (Dodecad) 14.47
18 Syrians (Behar) 15.99
19 Iranians (Behar) 16.81
20 Jordanians (Behar) 17.67
-------------------------------------------------------

Dodecad K7b Oracle results:

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 46.01
2 Southern 37.04
3 Atlantic_Baltic 15.35
4 East_Asian 1.35
5 African 0.25

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Armenian (Dodecad) 6.75
2 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 6.86
3 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 7.59
4 Armenians (Behar) 8
5 Turkish (Dodecad) 8.06
6 Assyrian (Dodecad) 8.18
7 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 8.19
8 Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) 8.34
9 Turks (Behar) 9.11
10 Lebanese (Behar) 10.68
11 Druze (HGDP) 10.98
12 Cypriots (Behar) 11.49
13 Syrians (Behar) 11.93
14 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 12.18
15 Iraq_Jews (Behar) 12.19
16 Iranian_Jews (Behar) 12.35
17 Kurd (Dodecad) 12.76
18 Iranians (Behar) 14.28
19 Iranian (Dodecad) 14.69
20 Jordanians (Behar) 16.9
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Dodecad V3 Oracle results:
# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 41.94
2 Mediterranean 29.23
3 Southwest_Asian 13.23
4 East_European 4.34
5 West_European 4.24
6 South_Asian 3.5
7 Northwest_African 3.04
8 Southeast_Asian 0.45
9 Northeast_Asian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 6.26
2 Turkish (Dodecad) 6.98
3 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 8.28
4 Iranian_Jews (Behar) 8.34
5 Druze (HGDP) 8.39
6 Turks (Behar) 9
7 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 9.12
8 Iraq_Jews (Behar) 9.22
9 Kurd (Xing) 9.23
10 Assyrian (Dodecad) 11.35
11 Kurd (Dodecad) 11.57
12 Armenian (Dodecad) 11.61
13 Lebanese (Behar) 13.87
14 Samaritians (Behar) 14.37
15 Cypriots (Behar) 14.76
16 Armenians_16 (Behar) 14.89
17 Iranians (Behar) 15.79
18 Iranian (Dodecad) 15.83
19 Palestinian (HGDP) 16.42
20 Syrians (Behar) 16.95


Eurogenes k13 :
1 East_Med 35.99
2 West_Asian 33.94
3 West_Med 13.04
4 Red_Sea 7.66
5 North_Atlantic 5.89
6 Oceanian 1.08
7 Baltic 0.98
8 East_Asian 0.68
9 Amerindian 0.56
10 South_Asian 0.18

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Georgian_Jewish 6.3
2 Assyrian 6.35
3 Armenian 6.39
4 Kurdish_Jewish 8.95
5 Turkish 9.36
6 Iranian_Jewish 10
7 Lebanese_Muslim 10.93
8 Azeri 11.73
9 Kurdish 12.67
10 Syrian 13.25
11 Cyprian 14.1
12 Iranian 14.71
13 Lebanese_Druze 15.76
14 Lebanese_Christian 16.23
15 Samaritan 17.62
16 Jordanian 17.84
17 Palestinian 19.19
18 Georgian 20.95
19 Sephardic_Jewish 20.96
20 Tunisian_Jewish 21

What do you think. Am I mixed or is it average results for my ethnicity?

[Kyp]

Iranian Azerbaijani from Zanjan and Mianeh:

Gedrosian: 20.18
Siberian: 4.32
Northwest_African: 3.03
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 7.26
North_European: 6.53
South_Asian 1.10
East_African 0.70
Southwest_Asian: 11.13
East_Asian: 5.86
Caucasian: 40.52
SSA: 0.00


Distance to: Zanjan_Mianeh
4.92386027 Azerbaijani_Northwest
4.98225852 Azerbaijani_Turkey
5.32139080 Azerbaijani_Republic
5.66273785 Azerbaijani_Iran
5.90536197 Azerbaijani_Tabriz
6.86023323 Turk_Southeast
7.90967130 Turk_Central_East
8.11249653 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
8.17412992 Turk_South
8.18811944 Dersim
8.28922795 Azerbaijani_North
8.30065058 Kurd_Kurmanji
8.61658285 Talysh_Azerbaijan
8.63647498 Kurd_Kordestan
8.83847838 Turkmen_Iraq
8.84525862 Turk_East
9.62682710 Yazidi_Kurd
9.79379906 Udi_Azerbaijan
10.23553614 Turk_Central_West
10.29549902 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
10.34323934 Kurd_Kermanshah
10.55946495 Iranian_Isfahan
10.56671188 Kurd_Sorani
11.11691504 Kurd_Feyli
11.34301547 Iranian_Lur

[Leto]

Do Bakhtiaris score like Lurs? I'm curious because I know a certain half Bakhtiari.

[Kyp]

Do Bakhtiaris score like Lurs? I'm curious because I know a certain half Bakhtiari.

Probably yes. But it's not certain yet.

[Leto]

Probably yes. But it's not certain yet.
I'm surprised you don't have any samples by now. Are they considered Persian? That guy identifies as "half Persian" (the other half is from Europe).

[Kyp]

I'm surprised you don't have any samples by now. Are they considered Persian? That guy identifies as "half Persian" (the other half is from Europe).

Yes i'd say so. Lurish language is closely related to Persian.

Most Iranian expats call themselves Persian, no matter the background. But in Lur/Bakhtiari case I'd say it makes sense too.

[Leto]

Azerbaijani. Y-DNA is G-FGC1160.

Gedrosia 21.89 Pct
Siberian 4.6 Pct
Northwest_African 1.15 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.28 Pct
Atlantic_Med 7.98 Pct
North_European 10.95 Pct
South_Asian 1.39 Pct
East_African 1.25 Pct
Southwest_Asian 7.43 Pct
East_Asian 0.68 Pct
Caucasus 42.4 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

He also scores extremely low Red_Sea, 0.95% only.

[Bysf]

My results, ethnic Azerbaijani (Turkic).

Gedrosia 21.18
Siberian 2.54
Northwest_African 0.82
Southeast_Asian 1.69
Atlantic_Med 8.54
North_European 8.66
South_Asian 1.48
East_African 0.14
Southwest_Asian 11.99
East_Asian 4.46
Caucasus 38.26
Sub_Saharan 0.25

8.70% East Eurasian

[Bysf]

Ethnic Azerbaijani (8.80% East Eurasian)

Gedrosia 24.82 Pct
Siberian 3.95 Pct
Northwest_African 3.29 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 8.3 Pct
North_European 8.22 Pct
South_Asian 4.44 Pct
East_African 0.05 Pct
Southwest_Asian 11.65 Pct
East_Asian 4.85 Pct
Caucasus 30.43 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: X
6.98830452 Iranian_Khorasan
8.61229354 Iranian_Fars
8.71881299 Azerbaijani_Tabriz
9.05095023 Azerbaijani_South(Iran)
9.18958106 Iranian_Kerman
9.62022869 Azerbaijani_Tovuz-Shamkir
9.63901966 Turkmen_TM
9.73134626 Azerbaijani_Dashkasan-Borchali
10.09594968 Azerbaijani_Average
10.39694186 Azerbaijani_Absheron

[Sterling Archer]

Highest Caucasus I have seen.

Gedrosia 16.49 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 1.67 Pct
North_European 12.73 Pct
South_Asian 0.74 Pct
East_African 0.38 Pct
Southwest_Asian 1.88 Pct
East_Asian 1.46 Pct
Caucasus 64.64 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: X
8.49628742 Georgian_West
10.45359747 Abkhazian
14.46814086 Ossetian_South
15.57187208 Laz
16.23451570 Georgian_Kartli-Kakheti
16.60919926 Hemshin
17.71961061 Turk_Ahıska
18.21392325 Ossetian
18.38217887 Turk_East_Black_Sea
19.26274902 Adyghe
20.13684186 Greek_Pontus
21.27896144 Karachay
21.45917286 Circassian
22.02641596 Armenian_East
22.30683528 Balkar
22.53682986 Ingush
22.73598030 Abazin
23.13080414 Udi_Azerbaijan
24.02013739 Turk_East
24.49434425 Chechen
24.95514777 Kabardin
25.15151288 Armenian_West
26.40124050 Kumyk
27.36744599 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
27.60051992 Talysh_Azerbaijan

[Sora]

Half Turkish half Scottish (her mom is Turkish from Silifke district of Mersin province)

https://scontent.fist10-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/311610418_194635886258263_37117743690887996_n.jpg? stp=cp6_dst-jpg&_nc_cat=100&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5cd70e&_nc_ohc=m6bQF1eUT1EAX9VP9_5&_nc_ht=scontent.fist10-1.fna&oh=00_AT96GlFzY8zUDJxSoF0LJD23JWM7Z3ATa9gVeTVhZkyz Hw&oe=6355924A

[Sora]

Turkish mom + Irish dad = Turkish-Irish mix kid
*mom is 1/2 Bulgarian Turk + 1/4 Dobrudja Tatar + 1/4 Anatolian(Balıkesir) Turk

https://scontent.fist10-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/309371421_563711892174541_4568426816503725426_n.jp g?stp=cp6_dst-jpg_p960x960&_nc_cat=111&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5cd70e&_nc_ohc=j2GBiqJ4oYUAX9Eyx1t&tn=-3RDsFVF0agBUf5J&_nc_ht=scontent.fist10-1.fna&oh=00_AT-MiRsWr0lzk7S02PTzWkngzLUB0GlHS7PGovfS1C_Skw&oe=635547B2

[Zanzibar]

Half Turkish half Scottish (her mom is Turkish from Silifke district of Mersin province)

https://scontent.fist10-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/311610418_194635886258263_37117743690887996_n.jpg? stp=cp6_dst-jpg&_nc_cat=100&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5cd70e&_nc_ohc=m6bQF1eUT1EAX9VP9_5&_nc_ht=scontent.fist10-1.fna&oh=00_AT96GlFzY8zUDJxSoF0LJD23JWM7Z3ATa9gVeTVhZkyz Hw&oe=6355924A

Her mom must be close to 20% East Eurasian for her to score this high.

[orhanaa]

would be normal for that area

[Zagrosian]

As some of you probably already know, we finally have more Bronze and Iron Age samples from West Iran - and now we actually have ancient samples from upper Mesopotamia.
The updated G25 list from the Eurogenes blog has samples from Dinkha Tepe, Hasanlu(not just F38) and Hajji Firuz all in the lake Urmia region, but also samples from Nemrik(Dohuk/Iraq) and Van, Mardin, Sirnak and Batman. There are, supposedly, also samples from Shanidar and Bestansur in Iraqi Kurdistan but I can't find them on the G25 spreadsheets.

I can make appropriate G25 calculators myself and have figured out the profile of these samples, still it's not the same as Dodecad's K12b.
Do any of you have the K12b results of these samples?
I know that Genoplot have all the modern and ancient samples from the old G25 spreadsheets available for all Gedmatch calculators, but they haven't updated their lists for a while.

[Sterling Archer]

Some interesting new results I thought I'd post here. I hope this will make this place more active:)

Tat from Surakhani, a village near Baku:

https://i.imgur.com/svHJX4X.jpg

Azerbaijani from Zagatala (grandmother might be Tsakhur):

https://i.imgur.com/hr6kNtf.jpg

[Zagrosian]

This Youtube channel (https://www.youtube.com/@muronormalo/videos) has many interesting West & Central Asian results, particularly Kurdish and Turkish ones.


Kurd from Arbil.
5.61% Sub-Saharan!
I associate SSA-admixture among Kurds with Arab intermarriages as it tends to come along with above normal Southwest Asian score, but this person literally seems to be Kurdish with 1/16 Bantu ancestry.
https://i.imgur.com/ms4U8nr.jpg

Another Kurd from Arbil.
Haplogroup N-Y23747
A North-East Asian haplogroup, SSA admixture and higher Caucasus and South-West Asian score than normal for unmixed central Kurds. Looks like he has received admixture from all of the ethnic groups in Iraq.
https://imgur.com/VhDUnbs.jpg


Kurd from Mardin. R1a
Turkish and/or Semitic admixture?
https://i.imgur.com/w7FWfsR.jpg


Mhallami / Mardelli from Mardin. J2
Looks very similar to the Mardin Kurd above.
There have been debates for more than a century about the origins of this North Mesopotamian Arabic-speaking Shafi'i Sunni Muslim group.
Are they Muslim Assyrians? Arabized Kurds? Arabized Turkmens? Or just Arabs? They are unsure themselves.
If this person is representative for the group then they appear to have no origins from tribal Beduin Arabs of Hassakah whatsoever. Also no signs of Turkic admixture.
This person appears to be Arabized Assyrian & Kurd.
https://i.imgur.com/JS55yA5.jpg

Kurd from Diyarbakir.
https://imgur.com/vyWbCcK.jpg

[Zagrosian]

Where are you from? Turkey Kurd?

Kermanshah province, Iran.


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I am 7/8 Turkey Kurd & 1/8 Levantine Arab

Which town/province?
(You give me trollish vibes, but I'm curious about this person's results whether it's yours or someone elses).

What's "Levantine Arab" in this context?
Arab from Urfa? Mardelli?
Syrian migrant in Turkey?

[Zagrosian]

btw how can you interpret the results?

Your "Arab" great grandparent was of the "Mhallami" kind.
Not Levantine. North Mesopotamian. Arabized, not actual Arab, unlike East Syrians who often have Beduin origins.

Your East Eurasian score is even lower than mine. No Turkic admixture.

You also seem to have Assyrian/WestArmenian-like admixture from your Kurdish grandparents.

Overall it looks like a mostly Kurdish result with significant (30-50%) Assyrian/Armenian admixture.

[mergen3]

my results

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 31.95
2 North_European 14.42
3 Gedrosia 14.37
4 Atlantic_Med 14.17
5 Southwest_Asian 9.47
6 Siberian 7.57
7 East_Asian 5.10
8 Southeast_Asian 1.60
9 South_Asian 1.36


Finished reading population data. 223 populations found.
12 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Turkish_Dodecad @ 16.174269
2 Turks_Behar @ 16.529655
3 Nogais_Yunusbayev @ 17.754572
4 Turkmens_Yunusbayev @ 18.290827
5 Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar @ 20.169355
6 Kumyks_Yunusbayev @ 20.856215
7 Ashkenazi_Dodecad @ 21.120665
8 S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad @ 21.324011
9 Greek_Dodecad @ 21.465706
10 Sicilian_Dodecad @ 22.067200
11 Iranian_Dodecad @ 22.086620
12 Kurd_Dodecad @ 22.307932
13 Sephardic_Jews_Behar @ 22.381937
14 Kurds_Yunusbayev @ 22.691530
15 Uzbekistan_Jews_Behar @ 22.717823
16 Lebanese_Behar @ 23.005308
17 Iranians_Behar @ 23.846703
18 Morocco_Jews_Behar @ 24.410454
19 O_Italian_Dodecad @ 24.507082
20 C_Italian_Dodecad @ 24.885164

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Dodecad +50% Turkmens_Yunusbayev @ 5.525101


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Dodecad +25% Iranians_Behar +25% Uzbeks_Behar @ 4.273466

[placebo]

my results

Population
Gedrosia 16.03 Pct
Siberian 1.29 Pct
Northwest_African 0.52 Pct
Southeast_Asian 1.08 Pct
Atlantic_Med 9.01 Pct
North_European 12.31 Pct
South_Asian 1.23 Pct
East_African 0.16 Pct
Southwest_Asian 8.13 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 50.24 Pct
Sub_Saharan -