What's Your Y-DNA Haplogroup?

[Stears]

Real Stears haplogroups :)))))

https://i.imgur.com/yxpGF2e.png

[kingjohn]

hittler was e1b negroid then
lol :)

[Jackson78]

Somebody should change my vote, because I am not R1b.

I could bet before testing that you are R1 horsefucker.

[Stears]

I could bet before testing that you are R1 horsefucker.

Sadly for you, I am not.

But I like R1b. I just didn't want be R1a haplogroup.

[Jackson78]

Sadly for you, I am not.

But I like R1b. I just didn't want be R1a haplogroup.

Newermind, congrats on result.

[Hudayar]

Could be anything. I assume either J2 or R1b.

[Bosniensis]

Sadly for you, I am not.

But I like R1b. I just didn't want be R1a haplogroup.

It's not nice of you to say "I didn't want to be R1a" cause there are many R1a people on this forum reading that... it's unfriendly comment.

[Stears]

It's not nice of you to say "I didn't want to be R1a" cause there are many R1a people on this forum reading that... it's unfriendly comment.

I don't have anything against R1a.

But I didn't want it, because than the haters would troll me that I am Slavic (despite Hungarian R1a is mostly non-slavic).

Now that I am I1, and my cousin R1b, they can't troll me for slavic origin.

[kingjohn]

you are related to dick he is also i1 :thumb001:

[Aenar]

Now that I am I1, and my cousin R1b, they can't troll me for slavic origin.

Do you realize that now some users can troll you for German origin?

[Stears]

Do you realize that now some user can troll you for German origin?

I am far genetically from the Germans. And haplogroup R1b was found in the Hungarian conqueror graves.

I1 probably Germanic origin, but from the ancient times.


I have no problem with that.

[Aenar]

I am far genetically from the Germans. And haplogroup R1b was found in the Hungarian conqueror graves.

I1 probably Germanic origin, but from the ancient times.


I have no problem with that.

I am pretty sure that your haplogroup comes from Saxons which settled in Transylvania in the Middle Age.

[Stears]

I am pretty sure that your haplogroup comes from Saxons which settled in Transylvania in the Middle Age.

If my subclade is same like my relative, than it is not, because he has norse (skandinavian) line.

[Dick]

you are related to dick he is also i1 :thumb001:

I am not the only I1 here. There were a few others but they seem to have left or were killed by rethelians

[kingjohn]

I am not the only I1 here. There were a few others but they seem to have left or were killed by rethelians

lol ............... :rotfl:
i don't want to begin with this again
i will end up with propagnda on relgious jews who laugh lol .......

[Rethel]

I am not the only I1 here. There were a few others but they seem to have left or were killed by rethelians

Weak link...?

But frankly saying, I am amazed, why they behave like that.
I1 is one of the most interesting hgs, and they do nothing about it.
Only some strange evny for whitness and similar stuff and at the end escape.
Sensless. If I would be I1, this hg would be one of the best promoted here
according to the actual data and true origin (as I do, or at least try to do
with mine actual), and what is some bizzare subject of envity. Idk why.

[Rethel]

Real Stears haplogroups :)))))

So you are from Ethiopia? :confused:

Nigga! :laugh:

[Stears]

So you are from Ethiopia? :confused:

Nigga! :laugh:

I is more European than R.

Deal with it.

[Rethel]

Sadly for you, I am not.

But I like R1b. I just didn't want be R1a haplogroup.

It is the same.


Now that I am I1, and my cousin R1b, they can't troll me for slavic origin.

What has cousin to do with you? :picard2:

Btw, you can be easly given a hard time
for being OE. So, what;s the point?

[Ülev]

So you are from Ethiopia? :confused:

Nigga! :laugh:

Polako Rethel, gledaj https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?181008-Was-Haplogroup-R-originally-mongoloid

[Stears]

Haplogroup I is the oldest major haplogroup in Europe and in all probability the only one that originated there (apart from very minor haplogroups like C1a2 and deep subclades of other haplogroups).

https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_I1_Y-DNA.shtml

[Rethel]

I is more European than R.

Deal with it.

But you showed the picture, which
shows that you are from Ethiopia.
R is not.

[Stears]

It is the same.



What has cousin to do with you? :picard2:

Btw, you can be easly given a hard time
for being OE. So, what;s the point?

He is also part of my family.

And the R1b not proto Indo-European (Aryan) haplogroup like the R1a.

[Stears]

But you showed the picture, which
shows that you are from Ethiopia.
R is not.

I1 simply don't exist in Ethiopia, or anywhere outside of Europe.

But your R1a is so common in Pakistan and India.

YOu are ridiculously envy.

[kingjohn]

e1b1b is originally from ethiopia
not haplogroup i-m170
i-m170 probably originated in europe .

[Rethel]

He is also part of my family.

Ok, but different the family. The fact that he stole
the name, and you did abandon it, changes nothing.
He is IE, you are OE. His IEness doesn;t emanate on
you, neither his kindredness.


And the R1b not proto Indo-European (Aryan) haplogroup like the R1a.

Repeating this over and over again will not change the fact.

[Rethel]

I1 simply don't exist in Ethiopia, or anywhere outside of Europe.

Idk, but you just showed a claim, that your provenance is from Ethiopia.
It is not my fault. don;t you not know, what you are writing?

[kingjohn]

stears look like model
rethel once and for all expose your face .....

[Rethel]

rethel once and for all expose your face .....

I allready did it couple of times. Not once.
You missed it, your problem.

[Dick]

Weak link...?

But frankly saying, I am amazed, why they behave like that.
I1 is one of the most interesting hgs, and they do nothing about it.
Only some strange evny for whitness and similar stuff and at the end escape.
Sensless. If I would be I1, this hg would be one of the best promoted here
according to the actual data and true origin (as I do, or at least try to do
with mine actual), and what is some bizzare subject of envity. Idk why.
Lighten up r1ethard. It was just a joke.

[Rethel]

Lighten up r1ethard. It was just a joke.

But I made a general notice, as I observed.

[Stears]

Idk, but you just showed a claim, that your provenance is from Ethiopia.
It is not my fault. don;t you not know, what you are writing?

In what sense ? That all humans come from Ethiopia ? :))))))))))

There is no single scientific source that connect I haplogroup with Africa. But there are many, that connect the R haplogroup with Asia.

Deal with it.

[Dick]

In what sense ? That all humans come from Ethiopia ? :))))))))))

There is no single scientific source that connect I haplogroup with Africa. But there are many, that connect the R haplogroup with Asia.

Deal with it.

He is envy.

[Rethel]

In what sense ? That all humans come from Ethiopia ? :))))))))))

Firstly hear it. How do you know, that all humans come from Ethiopia?
Becasue as far as I know, mine ancestors did not. Maybe your's ut not mine.
Mine the farest where they were on the south it is Mesopotamia, or maybe even only Armenia.


There is no single scientific source that connect I haplogroup with Africa.

So why did you show the map which says, that you are coming
from Africa, as all your ancestors, including all I-men????:picard2:


But there are many, that connect the R haplogroup with Asia.

Maybe, and what? All people are from Asia.


Deal with it.

Rather you have some problems, not me.

[Stears]

Firstly hear it. How do you know, that all humans come from Ethiopia?
Becasue as far as I know, mine ancestors did not. Maybe your's ut not mine.
Mine the farest where they were on the south it is Mesopotamia, or maybe even only Armenia.



So why did you show the map which says, that you are coming
from Africa, as all your ancestors, including all I-men????:picard2:


Maybe, and what? All people are from Asia.



Rather you have some problems, not me.

Humans come from Africa.

But the I haplogroup mutated in Europe. The R haplogroup mutated in Asia (and is still widely spread there,,,)

There is nothing to discuss.

[Stears]

Haplogroup R* originated in North Asia just before the Last Glacial Maximum (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_Glacial_Maximum) (26,500-19,000 years before present). This haplogroup has been identified in the 24,000 year-old remains of the so-called "Mal'ta boy" from the Altai region, in south-central Siberia (Raghavan et al. 2013 (https://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nature12736.html)).

https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_R1a_Y-DNA.shtml

Compare with this:

Haplogroup I is the oldest major haplogroup in Europe and in all probability the only one that originated there (apart from very minor haplogroups like C1a2 and deep subclades of other haplogroups).

https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplo...I1_Y-DNA.shtml (https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_I1_Y-DNA.shtml)


:)))))))))))))))))

It is obvious who has the whiter marker.

[Rethel]

Humans come from Africa.

http://emotikona.pl/emotikony/pic/2smiech.gif

Say yet, that you are an ape... http://emotikona.pl/emotikony/pic/2smiech.gif


But the I haplogroup mutated in Europe.

Nope.
But even if - what's the point?
If it would mutate in New Zealand, it would change the fact, that I is I?


The R haplogroup mutated in Asia (and is still widely spread there,,,)

And what?
We are talking about your ancestors, african ones, not mine, asian.


There is nothing to discuss.

I see there is, as you need to be properly educated.

[Rethel]

[/FONT][/COLOR]Haplogroup I is the oldest major haplogroup in Europe and in all probability the only one that originated there (apart from very minor haplogroups like C1a2 and deep subclades of other haplogroups).

It is leftpedia man...
I is clone of J, so, obviously it had to be from ME anyway.
Btw, the same leftpedia should inform you, that all basic clades are on the ME.


It is obvious who has the whiter marker.[/U]

:picard1:

You just did push into toilet everything what scientists discovered...
now they are not an authority, and yet one sentence above were?

[Ülev]

IJ is Caucasoid, R1 is Steppe Mongoloid, eot

[Stears]

http://emotikona.pl/emotikony/pic/2smiech.gif

Say yet, that you are an ape... http://emotikona.pl/emotikony/pic/2smiech.gif



Nope.
But even if - what's the point?
If it would mutate in New Zealand, it would change the fact, that I is I?



And what?
We are talking about your ancestors, african ones, not mine, asian.



I see there is, as you need to be properly educated.

I have no african ancestors. You confused me for the E1b1 negroid descendants.

As modern humans spread out from Africa they encountered other hominids such as Homo neanderthalensis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neanderthal) and the so-called Denisovans (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denisovans).

This dispersal out of Africa (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recent_African_origin_of_modern_humans) is estimated to have begun about 70,000 years BP from Northeast Africa. Current evidence suggests that there was only one such dispersal and that it only involved a few hundred individuals. The vast majority of humans stayed in Africa and adapted to a diverse array of environments.[58] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human#cite_note-58) Modern humans subsequently spread globally, replacing earlier hominins (either through competition or hybridization (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_(biology))). They inhabited Eurasia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurasia) and Oceania by 40,000 years BP, and the Americas at least 14,500 years BP.[59] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human#cite_note-Wolman2008-59)[60] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human#cite_note-60)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human

Learn the history of human race, before speaking stupidities.

[Ülev]

Rethel, look


69132
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=69132&d=1508962036
69133
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=69133&d=1508962040
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=69134&d=1508962201

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=69136&d=1508962223


Conclusion is that N is of mongoloid origin, like all descedants of the haplogroup "K".

I would add - R1 & N, as evidenced in those graphs

[Stears]

It is leftpedia man...
I is clone of J, so, obviously it had to be from ME anyway.
Btw, the same leftpedia should inform you, that all basic clades are on the ME.



:picard1:

You just did push into toilet everything what scientists discovered...
now they are not an authority, and yet one sentence above were?

We can open a thread, which is the whiter marker, I1 or the R1a, and see what the TA users say :)))))))))))))

OK ?

[Rethel]

I have no african ancestors. You confused me for the E1b1 negroid descendants.

You said it yourself.
Don't you know, what your are doing? :confused:
I quote you:


Real Stears haplogroups :)))))

https://i.imgur.com/yxpGF2e.png


[FONT=sans-serif] As modern humans spread out from Africa

Maybe you did, but I don't.


[/SUP]Learn the history of human race, before speaking stupidities.

It seems, that you learn some fairy tales, recently created for stupid mob.

[Rethel]

We can open a thread, which is the whiter marker, I1 or the R1a, and see what the TA users say :)))))))))))))

OK ?

Whatever they say, they cannot change the truth.
Even if today, I1 seems to be whiter, it is only, because of
one not slaughtered Casanova from the times of Ramses III.

[Stears]

You said it yourself.
Don't you know, what your are doing? :confused:
I quote you:





Maybe you did, but I don't.



It seems, that you learn some fairy tales, recently created for stupid mob.

Idiot, everyone gets that on wegene page. All haplogroups come from the A (oldest haplogroup).

https://www.yfull.com/tree/A1/


Hhahahaha, what is your brain size, of a peanut ?

:picard1:

[Stears]

Rethel is the insane guy.

Probably, his Indian brown Aryan origin makes him frustrated, so he try to be real white European man :))))))))))

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Rethel is the insane guy.

Probably, his Indian brown Aryan origin makes him frustrated, so he try to be real white European man :))))))))))

R1b is nothing better then R1a.

Bashkir Turkic people are R1b just like negroid people from Zimbabve (and they had a similar small buildings like early R1b Westerns). So yeah Rethel origin is Asian, but also of your western brothers R1b.

By the way. Most of your dear Poles are R1a so you have to deal with it.

[kingjohn]

i dont like the term negroid you attach to e1b1
autosomal dna determine your look not your y dna ....
if that was the case r1 europeans would have looked like native americans
there is a chance e1b1 wa svery early in levant natuffians ... 9000-11000 bc .

[Stears]

R1b is nothing better then R1a.

Bashkir Turkic people are R1b just like negroid people from Zimbabve (and they had a similar small buildings like early R1b Westerns). So yeah Rethel origin is Asian, but also of your western brothers R1b.

By the way. Most of your dear Poles are R1a so you have to deal with it.

Maybe. But the R1b highest frequency among the Basques, who are not IE speakers.

The more I read about genetic, the happier I am to being I-man :))))))))))

[Stears]

i dont like the term negroid you attach to e1b1
autosomal dna determine your look not your y dna ....
if that was the case r1 europeans would have looked like native americans
there is a chance e1b1 wa svery early in levant natuffians ... 9000-11000 bc .

Haplogroup E1b1b (formerly known as E3b) represents the last major direct migration from Africa into Europe. It is believed to have first appeared in the Horn of Africa approximately 26,000 years ago and dispersed to North Africa and the Near East during the late Paleolithic and Mesolithic periods.

https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_E1b1b_Y-DNA.shtml

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Maybe. But the R1b highest frequency among the Basques, who are not IE speakers.

The more I read about genetic, the happier I am to being I-man :))))))))))

R1b is becouse invaders from Asia (in this case R1b people) had sex-orgies with indogenous Basques (which were not R1b) and that is a result from paternal line of mixing.

They keep their language from the mother side (which were not Indo-European) :)

But father was of Asian origin. So R1a and R1b is the same branch. Asian origin people who didn't look European, like we have a lot of them today. (result of mixing with white people).

[Rethel]

Asian origin people who didn't look European, like we have a lot of them today. (result of mixing with white people).

:picard2:

[kingjohn]

Haplogroup E1b1b (formerly known as E3b) represents the last major direct migration from Africa into Europe. It is believed to have first appeared in the Horn of Africa approximately 26,000 years ago and dispersed to North Africa and the Near East during the late Paleolithic and Mesolithic periods.

https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_E1b1b_Y-DNA.shtml

now let me clean the mess
the ancestor of e-v13 e-L618 was found in neolithic dalmatia

Impresso pottery Croatia Zemunica Cave [I3948] M 5600-5470 BCE 769991 E1b1b1a1b1 E1b1b1a1b1:CTS3287:14801129A->G; E1b1b1a1b1:CTS5291:16189080T->G; E1b1b1a1b1:CTS5527:16345952A->G; E1b1b1a1b1:CTS7273:17396160C->T; E1b1b1a1b1:L618:15339697T->C; E1b1b1a1b1F2215:8262442A->G; E1b1b1a1b1F2246:22073053G->A; E1b1b1a:CTS8899:18538216C->A; E1b1b1a:L546:17516070C->T; E1b1b1aF2108:7804308C->T; E1b1b1aF2114:8232450C->A; E1b1b1aF2173:21036413C->T; E1b1b1aF2178:21583211C->A; E1b1b1aF2188:22080316G->A; E1b1b1:CTS2216:14221285G->T; E1b1b1:CTS3637:15089380A->G; E1b1b1:CTS6298:16808859A->G; E1b1b1:CTS6834:17138251A->G; E1b1b1:CTS7154:17325559G->T; E1b1b1:CTS9956:19170454C->T; E1b1b1:CTS10184:19316389A->T; E1b1b1:L796:21358197T->C; E1b1b1:M5041:21491115A->G; E1b1b1:M5047:21977569C->T; E1b1b1:M5078:7721674G->A; E1b1b1:M5108:8880108G->A; E1b1b1:M5322:22181731G->A; E1b1b1:M5360:23618826C->T; E1b1b1F1575:9389773T->G; E1b1b1F1619:13848122T->C; E1b1b:CTS225:2827409C->T; E1b1b:CTS8479.1:18045601C->T; E1b1b:CTS9049:18637397C->G; E1b1b:CTS10513:19503700T->C; E1b1b:CTS10679:22700429G->A; E1b1b:CTS11223:23021729G->A; E1b1b:L336:21903853G->A; E1b1b:M5082:7905833C->T; E1b1b:M5083:7906010A->G; E1b1b:M5101:8692771C->T; E1b1b:M5305:21658631G->C; E1b12:21610831G->A; E1:CTS955:7104553C->T; E1:CTS5913:16550700G->A; E1:CTS9083:18662674G->A; E1:CTS9753:19058376G->A; E:CTS860:7052802A->T; E:CTS2893:14545105G->A; etc N1a1 source Mathieson 2017


also avellander cave iberia
Epicardial Spain Avellaner cave, Catalonia [Ave 07] M 5000 BC E1b1b1a1b1a M35.1, V13, Ei in STR table U5 16051G; 16189C; 16270T source :Lacan 2011b

and we have e-m78 in sopot culture
Sopot (proto Lengyel) Hungary Bicske-Galagonyás [BICS 4]
5000-4800 BC E1b1b1a1 M78 H39 16299g Szécsényi-Nagy 2015 thesis

so this hapologroup have been in europe for along long time much before the indo european who came from the steppe
you are correct though that the natufian not belong to e-v13
they belong to e-z830 the ancestor of m123-m34 the middle eastern version of e1b1b1 who descendnents from e-z827

E1b1b1b has been identified among Natufians, and later among Levantine PPNB

Natufian Israel Raqefet Cave, Mount Carmel [I1072 / Nat 9] M 11840-9760 BCE E1b1b1b2 Z830 (xE1b1b1b2a, E1b1b1b2b) CTS8182+, CTS11781+ (E1b1b1b2), (CTS1652-, CTS11051-, CTS11574-) N1b ? source: Lazaridis 2016

Natufian Israel Raqefet Cave, Mount Carmel [I0861 / Nat 10] M 11840-9760 BCE E1b1b1b2 Z830 (xE1b1b1b2a, E1b1b1b2b) L336+ (E1b1b), M5108+, CTS3637+, CTS7154+, PF1755+, L796+ (E1b1b1), CTS11781+ (E1b1b1b2), (L857-, Z865-)
sourece: Lazaridis 2016


hope i clarify a little bit .......

[Stears]

:picard2:

You are defeated.

[Rethel]

You are defeated.

Becasue of what?
Becasue some guy wrote some sentence on TA? :picard2:

[Stears]

Becasue of what?
Becasue some guy wrote some sentence on TA? :picard2:

Because you don't even know from which haplogroup all other branches originate.

MY Y cromosome cousins mainly in Skandinavia, and yours mainly in India Pakistan area, if we go by the absolute numbers.

Deal with it.

[Rethel]

Because you don't even know from which haplogroup all other branches originate.

Where did I say that I don;t know?
Are you butthurted, that you think that you are from Ethiopia?
In that case you should be butthurted on yourself, not me.
It was your statement, not mine.


MY Y cromosome cousins mainly in Skandinavia, and yours mainly in India Pakistan area, if we go by the absolute numbers.

And what?


Deal with it.

And what?

[Stears]

Where did I say that I don;t know?
Are you butthurted, that you think that you are from Ethiopia?
In that case you should be butthurted on yourself, not me.
It was your statement, not mine.



And what?



And what?

The conclusion : R1a is not really the white man's gene.

[Rethel]

The conclusion : R1a is not really the white man's gene.

Becasue you are from Ethiopia, or becasue R1 (as all possible main hgs) is from Asia? :bored:

[Stears]

Becasue you are from Ethiopia, or becasue R1 (as all possible main hgs) is from Asia? :bored:

I am native European. You are native Asian.

Deal with it.

[Rethel]

I am native European. You are native Asian.

Deal with it.

How can you be, if you are from Ethiopia? :picard2:

[Вavhat]

I1 simply don't exist in Ethiopia, or anywhere outside of Europe.

But your R1a is so common in Pakistan and India.

YOu are ridiculously envy.

Wrong.

Haplogroup I1 can be found in South Asia. Some Hazaras in Pakistan have it.

R1b is also found in South Asia. In fact, even some low caste Dravidians, (Pallan dalits from Tamil Nadu) are R1b.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1380230/table/TB3/

Also, Haplogroup F (of South Asian origin) is the root of all these haplogroups.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ef/Haplogroup_F_%28Y-DNA%29.PNG

[Ülev]

eternal explorers! but it was enough to scroll down and see the truth in tags

https://s1.postimg.org/5ko9i0u6nz/haplos.png


e = somalis, g2a = georgians, i=arabs losts cousins, j = arabs, n = yakuts, r1=brown pashtuns, r1a mongols, r1b = cameroonians and armenordics, t=veddiods

[Art23]

The thread was interesting until it got derailed with stupid claims which haplogroup is more European.

Still testing, but I suppose I am R1a.

[Bosniensis]

I2a1b CTS10228 not so common :(

:noidea:

We need to breed...

come on females... let's spread I2a1....

[Ülev]

I2a1b über alles in der Welt

[Rethel]

I2a1b über alles in der Welt

So change it in yourself.

[Ülev]

So change it in yourself.

my phenotype is definitely I2a1b at last

[Rethel]

my phenotype is definitely I2a1b at last

Yea... sure...

[Bosniensis]

my phenotype is definitely I2a1b at last

We need fresh Ukrainian Girls here to spread I2a1b ASAP.. we are competing with R1etheloids -> who are multiplying like rabbits.

[Thracian]

R1a1a1b1a2b3 (R1a-CTS3402)

[WillyWonka]

I-M423 Dinaric

[MercifulServant]

I am G2a-L497 it is a Neolithic European clade which was present among Hallstatt Celts today the clade is most commonly found in Austria the father clade of L497 was present in Vinca culture which makes me a possible descendent of vinca people paternally considering I am Serbian.

[Jana]

haplogroups are boring (especially Y dna)....I lost interest in them :/

[Bosniensis]

haplogroups are boring (especially Y dna)....I lost interest in them :/

Do you wish you were born as male?


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[MercifulServant]

haplogroups are boring (especially Y dna)....I lost interest in them :/

I want to get my MTdna tested hopefully I am H

[Jana]

Do you wish you were born as male?


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No, I don't want to have hairy balls and a ****
:o

[Jana]

I want to get my MTdna tested hopefully I am H

mtdna much more interesting / mysterious, because we know so little about it, and it is so diverse.
I already learned everything about Y dna, so I'm more interested in other things.

[MercifulServant]

Also, It's officially, Vinca culture is G2a (L497) !
According to newest study of 127 European Neolithic samples 'Parallel ancient genomic transects reveal complex population history of early European farmers'', 2 ancient DNA samples from Vinca culture in present day Hungary were:
G2a2b2a1a and G2a2a.
As you know, G2a2b2a1 is ancestor of L497 and it's branches.
Date Culture Location Country Lat. Long. Sex mtDNA haplogroup Y chromosome haplogoup
5320-5080 calBCE (6264±34 BP) Vinca_MN Szederkény-Kukorica-dülö Hungary 45,5969 18,28247 M K2a G2a2b2a1a
5321-5081 calBCE (6267±33 BP) Vinca_MN Szederkény-Kukorica-dülö Hungary 45,5969 18,28247 F H26 ..
5400-5000 BCE Vinca_MN Versend-Gilencsa Hungary 45,5853 18,30771 F U2 ..
5400-5000 BCE Vinca_MN Versend-Gilencsa Hungary 45,5853 18,30771 M T2b H2
5202-4851 calBCE (6079±33 BP, MAMS-14808) Vinca_MN Szederkény-Kukorica-dülö Hungary 45,5969 18,28247 M K1a2 G2a2a

[Bosniensis]

mtdna much more interesting / mysterious, because we know so little about it, and it is so diverse.
I already learned everything about Y dna, so I'm more interested in other things.

yeah right.... :rolleyes: :cool:

[Jana]

yeah right.... :rolleyes: :cool:

I will prove you it is. Do you know anything about ancient origin of your mtdna ? You don't.

That's why it more interesting. We already know what I2a1b is (more or less)...

[Bosniensis]

I will prove you it is. Do you know anything about ancient origin of your mtdna ? You don't.

That's why it more interesting. We already know what I2a1b is (more or less)...

My mother asked about my mtDNA, I told her H24b.... she asked: "what that means"... I responded: "Nothing" hahahhahahah

[Jana]

My mother asked about my mtDNA, I told her H24b.... she asked: "what that means"... I responded: "Nothing" hahahhahahah

no wonder Bosnia is shithole....

Here:
H24: found in Britain, Ireland, Spain, Germany, the Czech Republic, Poland, Denmark and Finland / found in the Funnelbeaker culutre in Sweden
https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_H_mtDNA.shtml

[Bosniensis]

no wonder Bosnia is shithole....

Here:
[URL="H24: found in Britain, Ireland, Spain, Germany, the Czech Republic, Poland, Denmark and Finland / found in the Funnelbeaker culutre in Sweden"]
https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_H_mtDNA.shtml

Oh wow.. in short it's European, aside from that nothing special.

Bosnia isn't shithole... Europe is shithole full of immigrants, we are not.

[Rethel]

haplogroups are boring (especially Y dna)....I lost interest in them :/

So you see... much more mt.

[Jana]

Oh wow.. in short it's European, aside from that nothing special.

Bosnia isn't shithole... Europe is shithole full of immigrants, we are not.

It'a shithole in metaphysical manner. Rotten and conquered by lunatic ideologies, rather than light of science.

Forget it....

[LoLeL]

haplogroups are boring (especially Y dna)....I lost interest in them :/

Same here but KALKULATORZ are worse than obsession with Y-DNA, especially when some members think those calculators and their results are 100...00% accurate.

[Bosniensis]

It'a shithole in metaphysical manner. Rotten and conquered by lunatic ideologies, rather than light of science.

Forget it....

metaphysical

that word...


my brain is about to explode.....

[Rethel]

Same here but KALKULATORZ are worse than obsession with Y-DNA, especially when some members think those calculators and their results are 100...00% accurate.

:thumb001:

[ovidiu]

I'm R-L23, according to 23andme. I think that is a kind of R1b, right? It says this haplogroup traces back to a man who lived less than 10,000 years ago. Is it pretty common?

[Jana]

I'm R-L23, according to 23andme. I think that is a kind of R1b, right? It says this haplogroup traces back to a man who lived less than 10,000 years ago. Is it pretty common?

That's Paleo-Balkan branch of R1b.

[Kelmendasi]

I'm R-L23, according to 23andme. I think that is a kind of R1b, right? It says this haplogroup traces back to a man who lived less than 10,000 years ago. Is it pretty common?
R1b-L23 in Europe directly came from Yamna or other IE peoples as the Yamna samples were almost all R1b-L23. Today in Europe R1b-L23 is most common among Balkanites and was even found in a Vucedol sample in Croatia. The downstream of L23 called BY611 is most common among Albanians

[Jana]

R1b-L23 in Europe directly came from Yamna or other IE peoples as the Yamna samples were almost all R1b-L23. Today in Europe R1b-L23 is most common among Balkanites and was even found in a Vucedol sample in Croatia. The downstream of L23 called BY611 is most common among Albanians

Most likely it was original Illyrian, Thracian, Dacian and Hellenic IE marker.

[Kelmendasi]

Most likely it was original Illyrian, Thracian, Dacian and Hellenic IE marker.
Yh I think it's responsible for the diffusion of IE languages in the Balkans. I remember reading that the fact that Illyrians were most likely R1b-L23 suggests that they were Satem speakers and not Centum speakers, not sure how accurate this is

[Coolguy1]

J2a-M319 here, my maternal side is I2a2-M223. Both paleo-Balkan haplogroups.

[ovidiu]

Cool. So this Yamna culture was a close offshoot of the original Indo-European one then? I always thought that was more associated with what would later become the Indo-Iranian peoples. Also, what's the most up to date research on the PIE homeland? North of the Caucasus in the Pontic Steppe of southern Russia or in Anatolia? I haven't read much about this in the last five years.

Also, haplogroups are interesting but not very informative for a person (versus a population). It only represents one small chain of your total ancestry, the one that goes directly from father to father. Each generation you go back you have more and more ancestors. My friend who got tested recently said she had an mtDNA of D something, which apparently is found more in Asia and rare in Europe, but on that same service she had no actual Asian even show up in her ancestry. So it's a cool little curiosity but not much else.

[ovidiu]

Sorry for double post. I kept getting a database error so it seemed like it wasn't coming up.

[Перун]

Russian and I-M253, anybody else?

[Carpatz]

So I tried the morley ydna predictor and I got this

https://i.imgur.com/3Ccygeh.png

from what I can tell, it's a subclade of z280. Anyone know more about this?

[Jana]

So I tried the morley ydna predictor and I got this

https://i.imgur.com/3Ccygeh.png

from what I can tell, it's a subclade of z280. Anyone know more about this?

Your subclade is very interesting.


R1a-Z280 is associated with the Baltic-speaking people and its descendant subclade CTS3402 is mainly found in the Dinaric Alps spanning from Albania to Serbia, especially among the Croats. R1a-CTS3402 has high frequencies in Croatia and Southern Poland and CTS3402 may be linked to the Slavic expansion to the Balkans
The CTS3402 tribe in the Balkans are more likely to have migrated from the Baltic region or Southern Poland to the Balkans.

http://peaceandjustice.freeforums.net/thread/493/dna-haplogroup-r1a

:))))

[Norka]

Russian and I-M253, somebody else?

Потомок варяг ты с такой группой.

[Kelmendasi]

So I tried the morley ydna predictor and I got this

[IG]https://i.imgur.com/3Ccygeh.png[/IMG]

from what I can tell, it's a subclade of z280. Anyone know more about this?
Since it’s a clade of Z280 then it came with Slavs

[Carpatz]

Since it’s a clade of Z280 then it came with Slavs

I don't it's that simplistic in my case. If I was from the deep balkans, it would make more sense to say that z280 = slav. But I'm from northern Romania. This website links CTS3402 to the Roxolanii, a Sarmatian tribe who settled in Dacia in the 1st century AD.

http://suyun.info/index.php?LANG=ENG&p=4_17062017_7_4

[Bobby Martnen]

Russian and I-M253, somebody else?

Tolstoy.

[Kelmendasi]

I don't it's that simplistic in my case. If I was from the deep balkans, it would make more sense to say that z280 = slav. But I'm from northern Romania. This website links CTS3402 to the Roxolanii, a Sarmatian tribe who settled in Dacia in the 1st century AD.

http://suyun.info/index.php?LANG=ENG&p=4_17062017_7_4
Z280 itself is one of the main Slavic clades of R1a alongside M458 and most likely also has an expansion with them. Today CTS3402 is mainly found around Czechia, Poland, Russia etc according to Yfull

[Peterski]

So I tried the morley ydna predictor and I got this

These STR predictors can be wrong. I was predicted as U152 or L21.

That was wrong, I'm under DF27 branch based on SNP Pack results.

[Kelmendasi]

These STR predictors can be wrong. I was predicted as U152 or L21.

That was wrong, I'm under DF27 branch based on SNP Pack results.
Its not a STR based predictor though. It’s based on SNPs which makes it actually pretty accurate, so far I haven’t seen anyone get a wrong prediction

[Carpatz]

Z280 itself is one of the main Slavic clades of R1a alongside M458 and most likely also has an expansion with them. Today CTS3402 is mainly found around Czechia, Poland, Russia etc according to Yfull

Even if Z280 was one of the main clades associated with Slavic expansion, it diversified well before the Slavic ethnogenesis, so it would be wrong to say Z280 = Slav.
CTS3402 is also the most common clade of R1a in many southern non-slavic countries i.e. Romania, Spain, Italy, Greece, Southern France

https://i.redd.it/u3g8pprkb8jz.jpg

[Thracian]

So I tried the morley ydna predictor and I got this

https://i.imgur.com/3Ccygeh.png

from what I can tell, it's a subclade of z280. Anyone know more about this?

Our results are same. Except final one, even other predicts are same.

[Carpatz]

Our results are same. Except final one, even other predicts are same.

What's your ethnic background if I may ask? Bulgarian?

[Перун]

Потомок варяг ты с такой группой.

Потомок Рюрика :cool:

[Перун]

Tolstoy.

Was he also i-m253?

[Bobby Martnen]

Was he also i-m253?

Yes

[Charles Bronson]

Ching Chang Chong.

[michal3141]

My Y-DNA (The info that I was able to recover from my AncestryDNA autosomal results so not really very detailed): R1a-Z282

[Rethel]

Bump.

[Ironic Hook]

are there any D haplogroup ppl?

[Rethel]

are there any D haplogroup ppl?

Idk, you are probably the first one.

Btw, can you participate in these threads:
1. https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?232086-European-and-Westasian-Haplogroups-in-Japan-do-you-have-any-data&highlight=japan%2A
2. https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?216810-How-many-people-from-your-white-country-live-permanently-in-Japan&highlight=japan%2A

[Artek]

So I tried the morley ydna predictor and I got this

https://i.imgur.com/3Ccygeh.png

from what I can tell, it's a subclade of z280. Anyone know more about this?

Is it extracted from an autosomal ancestry test? 23andMe (at least up to V4) didn't test for any SNPs under M417, only P278.2 under Z280 was available for extraction (and it's not under CTS3402).

CTS3402 is quite a general category. For example - I am in Slavic clade of Y2902 that is deeply downstream of CTS3402 and has nothing to do with Y2613 or YP237 which are ~4000 years away but still within CTS3402. YP237 is more strongly Baltic but there are some clades rarely found outside Eastern Slavs, for instance.

Assuming that you are CTS3402 and Romanian, you may be quite likely Y2902 or L1280 but there are other possibilities like YP951 etc.

[Jana]

I'll test my maternal uncle this spring , hopefully.

Hope to get E1b (I always liked that haplo) or R1a (that would be pretty cool), hopefully Not I2a, my dad's already that so I want some variety :thumb001:

[Bobby Martnen]

I'll test my maternal uncle this spring , hopefully.

Hope to get E1b (I always liked that haplo) or R1a (that would be pretty cool), hopefully Not I2, my dad's already that so I want some variety :thumb001:

What about I1?

[Jana]

What about I1?

Stears already has it....I don't want....sorry :)

[Bobby Martnen]

Stears already has it....I don't want....sorry :)

What if your uncle has some weird-ass haplogroup like Q or A or Z or something? Idk if those are even real haplogroups, though, cause I've never seen them

[Jana]

What if your uncle has some weird-ass haplogroup like Q or A or Z or something? Idk if those are even real haplogroups, though, cause I've never seen them

I'd like that. It's cool to be unusual. I hope he gets something exciting. But I doubt.....;)

[Bobby Martnen]

I'd like that. It's cool to be unusual. I hope he gets something exciting. But I doubt.....;)

Just remember what Grab the Gauge said about haplogroups


Old MacDonald had a farm, E1b1a
And on that farm he had some slaves, E1b1a

[Jana]

Just remember what Grab the Gauge said about haplogroups

Somehow I like E1b. I find it cool it spread from Africa . I is kinda boring, it never left Europe.....it means I-men were quite sedentary and not adventourous!

[Bobby Martnen]

Somehow I like E1b. I find it cool it spread from Africa . I is kinda boring, it never left Europe.....it means I-men were quite sedentary and not adventourous!

Maybe that's why I spend all day sitting in a chair posting on Apricity instead of doing adventurous things...

[Bobby Martnen]

Maybe that's why I spend all day sitting in a chair posting on Apricity instead of doing adventurous things...

Like literally, I go to my classes, get my homework done, and then spend the rest of the night on Apricity.

[Jana]

Maybe that's why I spend all day sitting in a chair posting on Apricity instead of doing adventurous things...

I-men are territorial, strong, slow and sure types. They might be bit boring, but they are my men :)

I was made by I-man, and I'll marry I-man :P

Good night !

[Bobby Martnen]

I-men are territorial, strong, slow and sure types. They might be bit boring, but they are my men :)

I was made by I-man, and I'll marry I-man :P

Good night !

Good night, my distant I-cousin...

[Art23]

R-M198. :confused:

[Bobby Martnen]

Old MacDonald had a farm, E1b1a
And on that farm he had some slaves, E1b1a

[Rethel]

https://images.myparkingsign.com/img/art/Speed-Bump.jpg

[Bakha]

E-V13 Balkan according to local genetic testing company (they use similar method to 23andme), E-M35.1 according to FTDna (havent done further y dna testing in that company)

[Leto]

I have finally found out my Y-haplogroup and it is R-198! So now I am officially an Aryan :victory0:

But what I know is only the most basic information, i.e. 12 markers. Is there a way to predict a further subclade, at least Z280 or Z93? I doubt I'm Z93, but still.

[Bobby Martnen]

I have finally found out my Y-haplogroup and it is R-198! So now I am officially an Aryan :victory0:

But what I know is only the most basic information, i.e. 12 markers. Is there a way to predict a further subclade, at least Z280 or Z93? I doubt I'm Z93, but still.

You're a R1ethelite!!!

[Leto]

You're a R1ethelite!!!
Thank God he's not around any longer.

[Bobby Martnen]

Thank God he's not around any longer.

He was hilarious

[Mingle]

I have finally found out my Y-haplogroup and it is R-198! So now I am officially an Aryan :victory0:

But what I know is only the most basic information, i.e. 12 markers. Is there a way to predict a further subclade, at least Z280 or Z93? I doubt I'm Z93, but still.

Congrats! :thumb001:

Check this: https://ytree.morleydna.com/

[Dick]

https://i.imgur.com/KmnwYNB.jpg

[StonyArabia]

My DNA is T-M70

[Leto]

Congrats! :thumb001:

Check this: https://ytree.morleydna.com/
Well, I have only 12 markers. I don't know how to enter the data there if it's compatible at all.

[Mingle]

Well, I have only 12 markers. I don't know how to enter the data there if it's compatible at all.

Then it may not be doable. Try asking Kelmendesi maybe? He might know.

[Leto]

Then it may not be doable. Try asking Kelmendesi maybe? He might know.
I will. But what does this predictor tell you? Let's compare
http://members.bex.net/jtcullen515/haplotest.htm

[Bobby Martnen]

My DNA is T-M70

You and Thanas Django both.

[Mingle]

I will. But what does this predictor tell you? Let's compare
http://members.bex.net/jtcullen515/haplotest.htm

I didn't take FTDNA. Does that work for people that took 23andMe? I have no idea how to input data there or even know what they're asking :lol: None of the stuff there look remotely familiar.

[Leto]

I didn't take FTDNA. Does that work for people that took 23andMe? I have no idea how to input data there or even know what they're asking :lol: None of the stuff there look remotely familiar.
I guess you need to open your raw data file and enter the particular markers.

[Armenian Bishop]

Mine is: R-M405 (also known as R1b1b2a1a1).

[Bobby Martnen]

Mine is: R-M405 (also known as R1b1b2a1a1).

You're a R1ethelite!

[Zroota]

I'm a R1b.

Or as I call it, "rib"...So I can conveniently remember it.

[Bobby Martnen]

I'm a R1b.

Or as I call it, "rib"...So I can conveniently remember it.

Assyrians are R1b? I thought they were J2 or G2.

[Zroota]

Assyrians are R1b? I thought they were J2 or G2.
A few of us are. It turned out that I was one too. It's only in small percentage though.

[Leto]

Assyrians are R1b? I thought they were J2 or G2.
In Armenia it is actually not uncommon. 10-15% if I remember correctly. Though we aR1ans are rare there.

[Bobby Martnen]

In Armenia it is actually not uncommon. 10-15% if I remember correctly. Though we aR1ans are rare there.

Do you have any info on I1 in the area?

[Leto]

Do you have any info on I1 in the area?
I don't have it at hand, but be sure I1 is close to non-existent in the Caucasus and Middle East. Even in Belarus and Russia less than 10% of men are I1.

[Bobby Martnen]

I don't have it at hand, but be sure I1 is close to non-existent in the Caucasus and Middle East. Even in Belarus and Russia less than 10% of men are I1.

:(

My condolences to them.

[Leto]

:(

My condolences to them.
You've got some Viking blood, boy. The Finns are mixed with Scandinavians, hence in parts of Finland the frequency of I1 reaches 30-40%.

[Bobby Martnen]

You've got some Viking blood, boy. The Finns are mixed with Scandinavians, hence in parts of Finland the frequency of I1 reaches 30-40%.

Scandos used to be cool...now they're all refugee-loving cucks.

[Leto]

Here you can see the haplogroups of Iraq
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?233915-Paternal-lineages-of-the-Northern-Iraqi-Arabs-Kurds-Syriacs-Turkmens-and-Yazidis&p=5049504&viewfull=1#post5049504

[Bobby Martnen]

You've got some Viking blood, boy. The Finns are mixed with Scandinavians, hence in parts of Finland the frequency of I1 reaches 30-40%.

Wait, so Leto, you're telling me WE WUZ VIKANGZ N SHEEIT?

[Leto]

Wait, so Leto, you're telling me WE WUZ VIKANGZ N SHEEIT?
Yep, my nibba. Multiculti Vikangz
https://carolinebinch.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/dsc09789-blackvikingsml.jpg

[Armenian Bishop]

You're a R1ethelite!

R1b is the most common Armenian Haplogroup, but in my case the R1b Haplogroup is from my paternal Swiss Grandfather. Armenia has one of the more diverse Haplogroup Piecharts, as is typically the case with West Asia, the Caucasus Mountains, and Central Asia.


In Armenia it is actually not uncommon. 10-15% if I remember correctly. Though we aR1ans are rare there.

Actually, the percentage of R1b Haplogroup is between 25% and 28% when testing Armenians (much higher than what was suggested). It's a far more ancient R1b Haplogroup than what we see in Europe.

"Armenian men's most common Y-DNA (paternal) haplogroup is R1b, found in about 28 percent of those studied. J2 is the next most common at a frequency of 22 percent. Other haplogroups found among them, in descending order of frequencies, include G (11%), J1 (11%), R1a (8%), T (6%), E (5%), I (4%), L (4%), N (2%), and others (1%)."
http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/armenians.html

[Aren]

You've got some Viking blood, boy. The Finns are mixed with Scandinavians, hence in parts of Finland the frequency of I1 reaches 30-40%.

30% at max in Western Finland. I doubt it has much to do with Scandinavian mix. Probably a pre-Kurgan population in both places

[Art23]

Is there a way to predict a further subclade, at least Z280 or Z93? I doubt I'm Z93, but still.

You should join the R1a project on FTDNA and ask the project administrator.

As Belarusian you are most likely Z280.

Personally, I am waiting for my Z280 results, I have ordered the SNP pack two weeks ago.

[Bobby Martnen]

R1b is the most common Armenian Haplogroup, but in my case the R1b Haplogroup is from my paternal Swiss Grandfather. Armenia has one of the more diverse Haplogroup Piecharts, as is typically the case with West Asia, the Caucasus Mountains, and Central Asia.


AR1MENIANS!!!

[Leto]

You should join the R1a project on FTDNA and ask the project administrator.

As Belarusian you are most likely Z280.

Personally, I am waiting for my Z280 results, I have ordered the SNP pack two weeks ago.
Yeah, most likely Z280.

What are your autosomal results?

[Art23]

What are your autosomal results?

On MyHeritage, I am 60% East European, 30% Balkan and some small %.

[Annie999]

I dont know why I voted “other” on this. Im R1b if I had a Y gene that is.

[Leto]

On MyHeritage, I am 60% East European, 30% Balkan and some small %.
The Balkan is part of the East European category there. It's an unstable component. My mother is 20% Balkan, my father is 0% and I'm 0% as well.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

2 basal and neolithic to matter. Could be proto palesgian

[Art23]

The Balkan is part of the East European category there. It's an unstable component. My mother is 20% Balkan, my father is 0% and I'm 0% as well.

It could be unstable, but you never know. Since you have inherited 50% random genes from your mother, it could be that you have not inherited the Balkan component which she has.

[Carpatz]

R1a

[Leto]

It could be unstable, but you never know. Since you have inherited 50% random genes from your mother, it could be that you have not inherited the Balkan component which she has.
Well, MH has a poor reputation and I didn't even pay for it, but uploaded the raw data from FTDNA.

What are you GEDmatch results? Maybe you could post in another thread or share your kit no.

[lndy0430]

My y dna is R1a-z280-cts3402-yp951-yp4532


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[Art23]

What are you GEDmatch results? Maybe you could post in another thread or share your kit no.

Matches mostly from Belarus, Ukraine, Poland and Russia. The closest match is less than 50 cm. Basically, all these matches can be not real relatives, so small are matching segments.

[Art23]

My y dna is R1a-z280-cts3402-yp951-yp4532


R1a from China, must be quite rare there, right ?

[lndy0430]

R1a from China, must be quite rare there, right ?

It is relatively rare and may be close to 1%, but Z283 is much less.

[lndy0430]

R1a from China, must be quite rare there, right ?

In fact, the man who belong to the same SNP (YP4532*) with me is in western Ukraine (Тернопіль)

[MysteriousWays]

E1b1b V-22

[Art23]

In fact, the man who belong to the same SNP (YP4532*) with me is in western Ukraine (Тернопіль)

It is interesting that you are in the Z280 branch. I am there too, still testing, most likely down from Y33.

[lndy0430]

It is interesting that you are in the Z280 branch. I am there too, still testing, most likely down from Y33.

OK, we all belong to CTS3402. Good luck to you


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[Fieraru]

Although my paternal R1b is not too uncommon in my country, I think my sub-group of it ,or whatever, is not the most common variety, like L23, and more rare, but I think a bit higher in my region/Transylvania. It is more central Europe and could have either come from the Roman colonists or the ancient Celtics who I think started in like Austria or something.

The maternal group I have H is seemingly very common in Europe in general and does not say a lot.

I wonder why R1b is the leading one on this forum, and a lot of Germanic I1... and T seems very rare. I wonder where that comes from, if it is from Europe

[Elco]

Mine is R-L23 (R1b1a1a2a)

[DocTorg]

Way Down Under, I did the Ancestry DNA test and converted it in the Morley program to get: R1b-M529 (R1b-L459).
I'm told these are different names to describe the same haplogroup. Is that so? Which one should I use?
As for the rest, I just don't understand it.
If anyone can enlighten me it'd be appreciated.

MorleyDNA.com Y-SNP Terminal Subclade Haplogroup Predictor
R1b1a2a1a2c

R1b-M529 (R1b-L459)

Root (Y-Adam)
A0-TAF3, L1085, L1089, L1090, L1093, L1095, L1098, L1099, L1101, L1105, L1116, L1118, L1120, L1121, L1123, L1124, L1125, L1127, L1128, L1129, L1130, L1132, L1135, L1136, L1137, L1142, L1143, L1145, L1150, L1155, L1235

A1CTS3331, P305, V168, V171, V174, V238, V241, V250, L985, L986, L989, L1002, L1003, L1004, L1005, L1009, L1013, L1053, L1084, L1112, L1153, V161R

A1bP108, V221

BTM139, M42, M94/PF1081, L440, L1061/PF1101, L1062/PF302, PK1, PF1407/V29, PF1411/V59, PF1412/V64, PF1406/V102, V187, L413/PF1409/V31, L418, L438, L604/PF1243, L957, L962, L969, L970/PF1065, L971, L977, L1060/PF1021, M91, M299, P97, PAGE65/SRY1532/SRY10831R, V202, PF1410/V235

CTPF1269, PF258, CTS125, CTS5318, PF954, M294, PF779, PF110, PF821, PF1276, V189, PF192, CTS10362, CTS109, CTS11358, CTS11575, CTS1996, CTS3431, CTS3662, CTS4364, CTS4368, CTS4740, CTS5457, CTS5532, CTS6383, CTS6800, CTS6907, CTS7922, CTS7933, CTS8243, CTS8980, CTS9828, M168/PF1416, PF1016, PF1029, PF1031, PF1040, PF1046, PF1061, PF1092, PF1097, PF1203, PF210, PF212, PF223, PF234, PF263, PF272, PF278, PF292, PF316, PF325, PF342, PF500, PF667, PF719, PF725, PF796, PF803, PF815, PF840, PF844, PF892, PF937, PF951, PF970, V52, V9, P9R
CFP143

FF2048, PF2745, F2075, PF2631, F1320, F2142, F1302, F3111, F2710, F2985, L498, PF2599, CTS11726, CTS12632, CTS3536, CTS3654, CTS3868, CTS3996, CTS4443, CTS6135, F1046, F1209, F1329, F1704, F1714, F1753, F1767, F2155, F2402, F2587, F2688, F2837, F2993, F3136, F3335, F3556, F3692, F719, L350, L468, L470, PF2591, PF2593, PF2600, PF2608, PF2611, PF2615, PF2624, PF2643, PF2747, PF2748, PF2749, PF2770, V186, V205, L132R, M89/PF2746, M235/PAGE80/PF2665, PF2704/P14, PF2741/P135, PF2762/P136, PF2655/P138, PF2602/P141, PF2617/P145, PF2623/P146, PF2734/P148, PF2625/P151, PF2706/P158, PF2717/P159, PF2618/P160, PF2702/P166, PF2632/P187, M213/P137/PAGE38, P133, P134, P139, P140, P142, P149, P157, P161, P163, P316

IJKM523/L15/PF3492/S137, M522/L16/PF3493/S138

KPF5504/P128, PF5493/P131, PF5480/P132, M9

K(xLT)M526/PF5979

PF180, F332, P207/P27, PF5869, F647, PF5956, P244, YSC0000186, YSC0000270, CTS10168, CTS3135, CTS3358, CTS4437, CTS5884, F115, F212, F29, F313, F344, F359, F4, F506, F556, F640, F671, F83, L471/PF5989, L721/PF6020, L768/PF5976/YSC0000274, L779/PF5907/YSC0000251, L82, M45/PF5962, P284, PAGES00083, PF5465, PF5468, PF5471, PF5851, PF5853, PF5854, PF5865, PF5871, PF5882, PF5886, PF5887, PF5888, PF5957, PF5964, PF5965, PF5982, YSC0000176, YSC0000205, YSC0000227, YSC0000279, L781/PF5875/YSC0000255, PF5879/P226, PF5927/P228, PF5925/P230, PF5946/P235, PF5873/P237, PF5897/P240, PF5874/P243, PF5941/P281, PF5932/P282, PF5966/P283, PF5866/P295/S8, L536/PF5860

RYSC0000232, F652, L747, F295, F33, F356, F47, F63, F82, PF5953, PF6063, YSC0000067, YSC0000179, YSC0000201, YSC0000233, M207/PAGE37/PF6038/UTY2, PF6019/P229, P232, PF6068/P280, PF6059/P285, P224, P227, S4, S9

R1PF6007, F211, F378, F93, PF6145, YSC0000182, YSC0000207, YSC0000230, YSC0000288, PF6128/P225, PF6142/P233, PF6137/P236, PF6113/P242, PF6117/P245, PF6136/P286, PF6115/P328, M173/P241/PAGE29, M306/S1, P231, P234, P294

R1bCTS2134, PF5466, PF6246, PF6250, PF6270, PF6272, YSC0000075, M343/PF6242

R1b1L506, L278, M415/PF6251, P25R

R1b1~1§L388, L389

R1b1aPF6438, L407, PF6506, PF6463, CTS5577, F1794, L482, CTS10834, CTS11468, CTS11985, CTS12478, CTS2664, CTS3575, CTS623, CTS7400, CTS7659, CTS8591, CTS8665, CTS8728, L483, L500, L502, L585, L752, L773, PF6091, PF6265, PF6409, PF6411, PF6424, PF6425, PF6430, PF6432, PF6434, PF6443, PF6494, PF6495, PF6498, PF6500, PF6507, PF6509, PF6524, s10, s3, YSC0000072, YSC0000166, YSC0000194, YSC0000203, YSC0000213, YSC0000219, YSC0000225, YSC0000269, YSC0000294, PF6398/P297

R1b1a2L265/PF6431, M269, M520, PF6485/S3, PF6399/S10, S13, S17

R1b1a2aL150/PF6274R, L23/PF6534/S141, L49/S349R
R1b1a2a~1L478, PF6404
R1b1a2a1M412/L51/PF6536/S167
R1b1a2a1aL11/PF6539/S127, L151/PF6542, YSC0000082, YSC0000191, L52/PF6541, PF6546/P310/S129
R1b1a2a1a2P312/S116
R1b1a2a1a2aDF27/S250
R1b1a2a1a2a1Z195/S227, Z196/S355
R1b1a2a1a2a1bL176/S179R
R1b1a2a1a2a1~1Z274/S229
R1b1a2a1a2a1~2§CTS10855, CTS7095
R1b1a2a1a2a2L617
R1b1a2a1a2a2~1CTS11556, F2125, F3436, Z24
R1b1a2a1a2a3L881
R1b1a2a1a2a~1§F3867R
R1b1a2a1a2a~2CTS11567
R1b1a2a1a2a~3§CTS9952
R1b1a2a1a2a~4§L194
R1b1a2a1a2a~5§L86R
R1b1a2a1a2bU152/PF6570/S28
R1b1a2a1a2b1L2/S139
R1b1a2a1a2b1aZ367/S255
R1b1a2a1a2b1bL196
R1b1a2a1a2b1cZ49
R1b1a2a1a2b1~1PF4874, PF4955
R1b1a2a1a2b1~2L617, F1237R, P329
R1b1a2a1a2b1~3CTS5153
R1b1a2a1a2b2Z36/S206
R1b1a2a1a2b2~1L671
R1b1a2a1a2b2~2CTS1595, CTS5531, CTS8492, Z143, Z37, Z54
R1b1a2a1a2b2~3CTS188, CTS4333, CTS7958
R1b1a2a1a2b2~4CTS2687
R1b1a2a1a2b3Z56/PF6601
R1b1a2a1a2b3aL4/S178
R1b1a2a1a2b3cZ145/PF6578, Z146/PF6584/S483, Z71, Z144
R1b1a2a1a2b3~1Z46/S259, Z47, Z48/S484
R1b1a2a1a2b3~2
R1b1a2a1a2b~1F1493R
R1b1a2a1a2b~2CTS7193R
R1b1a2a1a2b~3PF4363
R1b1a2a1a2cM529/L21/S145, L459
R1b1a2a1a2c1DF13/CTS241/S521
R1b1a2a1a2c1aDF49/S474
R1b1a2a1a2c1bL513/DF1/S215, Z249/S279
R1b1a2a1a2c1cL168, L96
R1b1a2a1a2c1dL144/S175R, L195/S354
R1b1a2a1a2c1eZ255/S219
R1b1a2a1a2c1fZ253/S218
R1b1a2a1a2c1gDF21/S192
R1b1a2a1a2c1hL371/S300
R1b1a2a1a2c1jZ251
R1b1a2a1a2c1lCTS4466
R1b1a2a1a2c1~1§PF3434R, PF88
R1b1a2a1a2c1~2L596/PF6907/S292
R1b1a2a1a2c1~3§CTS3386
R1b1a2a1a2c1~4L580
R1b1a2a1a2c1~5CTS2501
R1b1a2a1a2c1~6CTS6838, CTS7030
R1b1a2a1a2c2DF63/S522
R1b1a2a1a2c2aCTS6919
R1b1a2a1a2c2~1F3901
R1b1a2a1a2c~1§CTS2457R
R1b1a2a1a2c~10§PF7379
R1b1a2a1a2c~2§P37R
R1b1a2a1a2c~3§F157
R1b1a2a1a2c~4§PF4341
R1b1a2a1a2c~5§F2083
R1b1a2a1a2c~6§PF5191
R1b1a2a1a2c~7§F664
R1b1a2a1a2c~8§Z117
R1b1a2a1a2c~9CTS2759
R1b1a2a1a2dL238/S182
R1b1a2a1a2eDF19/S232
R1b1a2a1a2e1L644
R1b1a2a1a2e2Z302/S233
R1b1a2a1a2e3L1199
R1b1a2a1a2e3aL1200
R1b1a2a1a2~1§CTS1841
R1b1a2a1a2~2§CTS4528

[Jana]

My maternal uncle's results came!!!

I2a1b, don't know the subclade yet, maybe it is the same as my father's one, I'll update on it in few days

So I am double I2 on both sides :D:P

[Norb]

R1a

R1a

[Jana]

R1a

Ar1an :)

[happycow]

G2a

[DarkWater]

R-M167. Its frequency peaks in the Basque region

[Birsen]

Hi everyone

One more I1 is here :viking3:

[visar]

According to newest update on 23&me, my ydna haplo is R-y2905. Which Morley predicted. Does anyone have more info about this paternal lineage?

[Rædwald]

My Y-DNA is I1

[Kaspias]

Q-L330.

[Ülev]

Q-L330.

finally interesting one

[Kaspias]

finally interesting one

You can share if you have knowledge about it.

As far as i know today's Turkmens don't have L330 subclade. And hunnics, xiongnu's had mostly Q-L715. But wtf is L330?

[Ülev]

You can share if you have knowledge about it.

As far as i know today's Turkmens don't have L330 subclade. And hunnics, xiongnu's had mostly Q-L715. But wtf is L330?

my knowledge about L330 is from Eupedia graphic
https://www.eupedia.com/images/content/Q1a-tree.png
and they wrote: Huns, Huns/Alans and on the bottom also Kazakh

[michal3141]

According to newest update on 23&me, my ydna haplo is R-y2905. Which Morley predicted. Does anyone have more info about this paternal lineage?

I am also R-Y2905. My subbranch under R-Y2905 is R-Y23110 (tested with YSEQ).
R-Y2905 is present mostly in Southern and Eastern Poland + some people from Ukraine, Hungary or even Finland:

https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1LoaYNBAnvJAO3q-vQ7vpVhdbZbc&ll=54.011664490313706%2C29.940137068750005&z=5

[Richmondbread]

R1A was changed to RM417.

[visar]

I am also R-Y2905. My subbranch under R-Y2905 is R-Y23110 (tested with YSEQ).
R-Y2905 is present mostly in Southern and Eastern Poland + some people from Ukraine, Hungary or even Finland:

https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1LoaYNBAnvJAO3q-vQ7vpVhdbZbc&ll=54.011664490313706%2C29.940137068750005&z=5

interesting. My paternal origin is from Wielkopolska region around Grodzisk WLKP.

[Carpatz]

R1A was changed to RM417.

Over 99% of modern R1a is R-M417 (R1a1a1), so It's a bit of a redundant "change".

[Pausanias]

e-v13

[Artek]

interesting. My paternal origin is from Wielkopolska region around Grodzisk WLKP.

Y2905 is quite common in area between a Southern Elbe and Bug-Dniester. It is just not common in more northern areas (like Pomerania, Brandenburg, Mecklenburg, parts of Eastern Prussia).

At R1a Project (FTDNA) we have numerous Y2905 samples from regions like Lesser Poland, Greater Poland, Masovia and Silesia. The eastern limit is basically a Red Ruthenia, although there may be few exceptions from that.

[Vid Flumina]

I-M223 > I-CTS6433 (I2a2a1c2a2)

[Carpatz]

I got a subclade update on 23andme. What's strange is that my other matches with R1a didn't get a subclade as deep as mine in the update. This is even deeper than the morleydna prediction.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/445888351053283329/479640486009634828/fvcxvsvzcxcv.JPG

[Azer]

I got J2a1 (m172) on Genographic project, typical HG for West Asia.

[Annie999]

Why did I voted “other” here? Im R1b (if I had an Y gene of course).

[Rocinante]

R1b1a2a1a
R1b-L11
Source: MorleyDNA

[amerimutt]

Rlb-S21 (U106)
Proto Germanic branch

[roza]

My dad's is J2b2 :)

[Philo]

I got J2a1 (m172) on Genographic project, typical HG for West Asia.

You're in good company mate.

[Demo]

Y-DNA: J2b1-M205>Y22066 (FTDNA, 111 markers)

[Mike1994]

My Y - DNA : R1b - L21

[Bogdan]

R1b1a1a2

[Ayetooey]

I2A1B. According to morley I may be subclade CTS10228.

[rein]

I2A1B. According to morley I may be subclade CTS10228.

Do you plan to do a deeper sequencing test for more specific subclade?

[Ayetooey]

Do you plan to do a deeper sequencing test for more specific subclade?

Eventually yes, it all seems really expensive tho.

[Dick]

I2A1B. According to morley I may be subclade CTS10228.

quite common

https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-CTS10228/

[de Burgh II]

R1b-U106/S21.

[Ayetooey]

quite common

https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-CTS10228/

Seems like a lot of people in Greece have it which is interesting. Morley specifically say's this.

I2a1b3~1~1
I2-CTS10228 (I2-CTS5966)

[Dick]

Seems like a lot of people in Greece have it which is interesting. https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-CTS10228/
i only see 6 out of an ocean of slavophones


Morley specifically say's this.

I2a1b3~1~1
I2-CTS10228 (I2-CTS5966)

https://fabpedigree.com/s016/f150945.htm

Not sure which clan Djokovic belongs to

[Ayetooey]

i only see 6 out of an ocean of slavophones



https://fabpedigree.com/s016/f150945.htm

Not sure which clan Djokovic belongs to

Lol I didn't scroll down so it looked like a lot. I wouldn't of expected Novak to be i2, he is part of the proto-European clan good to know.

In the new year I'm gonna do that big Y thing I think.

[rein]

Lol I didn't scroll down so it looked like a lot. I wouldn't of expected Novak to be i2, he is part of the proto-European clan good to know.

In the new year I'm gonna do that big Y thing I think/

Alternatively, you can do a Y-seq panel.

[Dick]

Lol I didn't scroll down so it looked like a lot. I wouldn't of expected Novak to be i2, he is part of the proto-European clan good to know.

In the new year I'm gonna do that big Y thing I think.

I meant old Herzegovinian/Montenegrin clans.

[Mr. Anybody]

A2

[Tschaikisten]

i only see 6 out of an ocean of slavophones



https://fabpedigree.com/s016/f150945.htm

Not sure which clan Djokovic belongs to

I2-CTS10228>Y3120>S17250>PH908, Ozrinići cluster.

[Thorns]

Apparently I am R1b-U152 according to 23andMe. I am curious about its arrival into England, as my paternal line is English, pre-dating the Norman conquest.


R1b-U152 is found at low frequency almost everywhere in the British Isles, but is considerably more common in eastern and southern England (5-10%), reaching a peak of nearly 15% in East Anglia and in Kent.

https://www.eupedia.com/genetics/britain_ireland_dna.shtml

I've
Read David Faux's hypothesis but I'm not sure how I feel about it. I suppose I'll never know, it's interesting though.

[Luke35]

N-M2783. Rare for Hungarian. I need to do the N1a-VL29 panel from YSEQ or BigY to find out where I am downstream from here.

[Dick]

N-M2783. Rare for Hungarian. I need to do the N1a-VL29 panel from YSEQ or BigY to find out where I am downstream from here.

Seems to be very Baltic


https://www.yfull.com/arch-4.09/tree/N-M2783/

[Luke35]

Seems to be very Baltic


https://www.yfull.com/arch-4.09/tree/N-M2783/

Yes, that's right. It was explained to me that N-M2783 moved south out of the Baltic region and was swept up in the early Slavic migrations (6-7th century). There are Czech, Polish, Slovak and Hungarians with a marker that is downstream from N-M2783. I have to test further to see if I am part of that group.

[Luke35]

Yes, that's right. It was explained to me that N-M2783 moved south out of the Baltic region and was swept up in the early Slavic migrations (6-7th century). There are Czech, Polish, Slovak and Hungarians with a marker that is downstream from N-M2783. I have to test further to see if I am part of that group.

The marker is N-Y6075 and is associated with Slavs.

[Nelju]

Hey. R1a-z93 on 23andme. Same on Morley Y DNA predictor. Is it worthy to go for a Y-37 on Ftdna? I am originally from South America, so it is probably coming from Jews or North Africans via Spain. I have some turks
in my 23andme matches, though.

[Leto]

Hey. R1a-z93 on 23andme. Same on Morley Y DNA predictor. Is it worthy to go for a Y-37 on Ftdna? I am originally from South America, so it is probably coming from Jews or North Africans via Spain. I have some turks
in my 23andme matches, though.
R1a in Sephardic Jews must be rare, prob'ly rarer than in the Spanish.

[Leto]

Hey. R1a-z93 on 23andme. Same on Morley Y DNA predictor. Is it worthy to go for a Y-37 on Ftdna? I am originally from South America, so it is probably coming from Jews or North Africans via Spain. I have some turks
in my 23andme matches, though.
By the way what is your European and Western Asian percentage on 23andme?

[Kelmendasi]

Hey. R1a-z93 on 23andme. Same on Morley Y DNA predictor. Is it worthy to go for a Y-37 on Ftdna? I am originally from South America, so it is probably coming from Jews or North Africans via Spain. I have some turks
in my 23andme matches, though.
There are certain R1a-Z93 clades found in Iberia. There is R-Y7094, found in Asturias, from what I can see it may have Turkic origin considering how the downstreams of it are found in Bashkortostan and it's ancestral clade being found in Tajikistan. R-Y86945 is also found in Cantabria and is shared with a Scot. This clade may also have some sort of Turkic origin but it also has downstreams in places like Iran which are Indo-Iranian speakers. R-CTS10041 is another one found in Spain, it's ancestral clade seems to be found in Iran as well as most clade coming from this. Though iirc it comes from the same distant ancestor as Y86945. In Jews R1a-Z93 is only really found in Ashkenazi and is from the R-Y2619 clade.

[Nelju]

By the way what is your European and Western Asian percentage on 23andme?

I tested on 23andme and ancestrydna. The result on both companies and third parties is 50% Eurasian, most of that coming from Iberia. My other half being the typical mix of mostly native American and a little of SSA. Other than the iberian (20%/30%ish), most estimates give me about 4% of Italian and/or sardinian, and 1%/2% Greece and the balkans. Also Gedmatch put me closer to people from extremadura, Galicia and Andalusia.

Although 23andme and ancestrydna assign most of my admixture to Iberians and mediterraneans, third party companies (gedmatch, wegene, my heritage, dna. Land) get some small percentages from Baltics ~5%.

There are some traces of North African, middle East, and western Asian, but percentages change.

23andMe :
1.7% Western Asian and North African.
0.5% ashkenazi

Ancestry :
1% turkey and the caucasus, but before last update I got 3% middle East, 2% caucasus, 2% North Africa.

WeGene (23andme kit)
4.06% South Asian (Indian)
2.93% middle eastern (iran)

DNA.land (ancestry kit)
3.9% North African
1.1% ashkenazi

DNA. Land (23andme kit)
Ashkenazi 9.5%
Indo Iranian 4.5%
North African 10%

GEDmatch (ancestry kit), eurogenes k13
Red sea 3.37%
West Asian 2.5%
North East African 2.02%

GEDmatch ( 23andMe kit) eurogenes k13
West Asian 4.77%
Red sea 1.6%
North East African 1.81

MyHeritage (AncestryDNA kit)
1.5% ashkenazi
4.7% West asian

MyHeritage (23andme kit)
Ashkenazi 1%
West Asian 4.4%

[Nelju]

There are certain R1a-Z93 clades found in Iberia. There is R-Y7094, found in Asturias, from what I can see it may have Turkic origin considering how the downstreams of it are found in Bashkortostan and it's ancestral clade being found in Tajikistan. R-Y86945 is also found in Cantabria and is shared with a Scot. This clade may also have some sort of Turkic origin but it also has downstreams in places like Iran which are Indo-Iranian speakers. R-CTS10041 is another one found in Spain, it's ancestral clade seems to be found in Iran as well as most clade coming from this. Though iirc it comes from the same distant ancestor as Y86945. In Jews R1a-Z93 is only really found in Ashkenazi and is from the R-Y2619 clade.

Interesting. R1a z93 have for the most part low frequencies outside western Asia. I havent be able to pinpoint a likely origin for it. It might be a turk, North African, Jewish or romani. Even R1A from East Europe but the problem is all of these have low frequencies of R1a-Z93.

[Nazarene]

R2a, Paragroup R-M124*

[Leto]

I tested on 23andme and ancestrydna. The result on both companies and third parties is 50% Eurasian, most of that coming from Iberia. My other half being the typical mix of mostly native American and a little of SSA. Other than the iberian (20%/30%ish), most estimates give me about 4% of Italian and/or sardinian, and 1%/2% Greece and the balkans. Also Gedmatch put me closer to people from extremadura, Galicia and Andalusia.

Although 23andme and ancestrydna assign most of my admixture to Iberians and mediterraneans, third party companies (gedmatch, wegene, my heritage, dna. Land) get some small percentages from Baltics ~5%.

There are some traces of North African, middle East, and western Asian, but percentages change.

23andMe :
1.7% Western Asian and North African.
0.5% ashkenazi

Ancestry :
1% turkey and the caucasus, but before last update I got 3% middle East, 2% caucasus, 2% North Africa.

WeGene (23andme kit)
4.06% South Asian (Indian)
2.93% middle eastern (iran)

DNA.land (ancestry kit)
3.9% North African
1.1% ashkenazi

DNA. Land (23andme kit)
Ashkenazi 9.5%
Indo Iranian 4.5%
North African 10%

GEDmatch (ancestry kit), eurogenes k13
Red sea 3.37%
West Asian 2.5%
North East African 2.02%

GEDmatch ( 23andMe kit) eurogenes k13
West Asian 4.77%
Red sea 1.6%
North East African 1.81

MyHeritage (AncestryDNA kit)
1.5% ashkenazi
4.7% West asian

MyHeritage (23andme kit)
Ashkenazi 1%
West Asian 4.4%
So you seem to be a colonial mestizo. Maybe you could share the entire results in another thread. By the way, is your mtDNA native American?

[Nelju]

Yes, it is D1. It is very common In Latam to have an indigenous Maternal haplogroup.

[Harkonnen]

Yes, that's right. It was explained to me that N-M2783 moved south out of the Baltic region and was swept up in the early Slavic migrations (6-7th century). There are Czech, Polish, Slovak and Hungarians with a marker that is downstream from N-M2783. I have to test further to see if I am part of that group.

Could be later from the Commonwealth times.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

awaiting dna results, my money is on E1b haplogroup

[Leto]

awaiting dna results, my money is on E1b haplogroup
Which company?

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Which company?

ancestry

[Luke35]

Could be later from the Commonwealth times.

Thanks, nobody had suggested that.

I'm just gonna order the N1a-VL29 Panel now, I've been curious for a long time.

I will share the result for anyone that is interested.

[nittionia]

my dad is j2b2

[Leto]

ancestry
Post your results once they are in. What part(s) of Croatia are you from?

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Post your results once they are in. What part(s) of Croatia are you from?

i will. native of zagreb several generations back actually, which is pretty rare thing. lot of different ethnicities lived in town trough centuries, i know i have some slovene and czech blood other than croat
paternal line is probably vlach from balkans who migrated north, that's why i'm expecting E1b haplogroup.

[xripkan]

According to 23andme it's R-F2935 which belongs to R-Z93 subclade. I have been told it's very uncommon in Greece.

[Mingle]

According to 23andme it's R-F2935 which belongs to R-Z93 subclade. I have been told it's very uncommon in Greece.

You're the first European/non-Asian I've heard of that was R-Z93. In some parts of Eastern Europe, its present in quantities ranging from 1-5% according to this Eupedia map (https://1.bp.blogspot.com/--Lw_J4eOGsQ/VveNM9I2JSI/AAAAAAAAAOM/S37yHedZ9l4Nv4Hl1n2-rWT-CmtmcF4fA/s1600/map%2Bof%2BR%2BZ93.jpg) and its less than 1% in Greece according to it (but it may not be the best source). But yeah, its definitely quite rare in Greece.

23andMe only tells me I'm R-Z93. How did you find your sub-subclade? 23andMe doesn't go any deeper for me.

[xripkan]

You're the first European/non-Asian I've heard of that was R-Z93. In some parts of Eastern Europe, its present in quantities ranging from 1-5% according to this Eupedia map (https://1.bp.blogspot.com/--Lw_J4eOGsQ/VveNM9I2JSI/AAAAAAAAAOM/S37yHedZ9l4Nv4Hl1n2-rWT-CmtmcF4fA/s1600/map%2Bof%2BR%2BZ93.jpg) and its less than 1% in Greece according to it (but it may not be the best source). But yeah, its definitely quite rare in Greece.

23andMe only tells me I'm R-Z93. How did you find your sub-subclade? 23andMe doesn't go any deeper for me.

In my case 23andme pinpointed my subclade. I also uploaded my raw data morleydna.com and I got the same result as the most likely prediction. It could be from Proto-Greeks who belonged to R-Z93 but it's possible to be from Scythians or Indo-Iranians.