What's Your Y-DNA Haplogroup?

[Mingle]

In my case 23andme pinpointed my subclade. I also uploaded my raw data morleydna.com and I got the same result as the most likely prediction. It could be from Proto-Greeks who belonged to R-Z93 but it's possible to be from Scythians or Indo-Iranians.

Scythians are Indo-Iranians. I don't think its from Proto-Greeks since its extremely rare in Greece. Its either directly from Scythians or from Slavs who in turn themselves got it either from Scythians or some other Steppe group (e.g. Hungarians, Avars, Turkic Bulgars, etc).

[xripkan]

Scythians are Indo-Iranians. I don't think its from Proto-Greeks since its extremely rare in Greece. Its either directly from Scythians or from Slavs who in turn themselves got it either from Scythians or some other Steppe group (e.g. Hungarians, Avars, Turkic Bulgars, etc).

Proto-Greeks mostly belonged to R1b-Z2103 and R-Z93 of R1a according to eupedia. When they migrated to Greece they mixed with the Pre-Greek populations who belonged to different haplogroups. So I assume R-Z93 was rare in ancient Greece as well but it existed. On the other hand it is possible to be from Scythians who where assimilated by different tribes who invaded in Balkans (such as Ostrogoths, Avars etc). It may be also from Persians.

[Dasbootu96]

i am ev-13 , belgium.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181214/777c7b44136bee75fb48c1c3b3403eb9.jpg
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Fabrice ev-13 belgium

[Richmondbread]

Is R1a associated with Jews?

[Kaspias]

Is R1a associated with Jews?

....

[Artek]

Is R1a associated with Jews?

Only some certain deep subbranches of R1a like Y2619 and Y2632 (both under Z93 and obviously with distant Iranian origins) and one subbranch of L1029 that obviously descends from converted Slavic or German guy. I have so far not seen any other branch aside this three that may be Jewish and not from recent conversion, although some non-Ashkenazi Jewish communities are undertested.

[Longbowman]

Is R1a associated with Jews?

Not specifically, although it's not uncommon in Ashkenazi Jews, and in fact, Ashkenazi Levites are over 50% R1a.

[Harkonnen]

Thanks, nobody had suggested that.

I'm just gonna order the N1a-VL29 Panel now, I've been curious for a long time.

I will share the result for anyone that is interested.

Is Lajos 2 for sure.

[Podlachian]

What is it, and what is it for?

[michal3141]

What is it, and what is it for?

You could read on this for example this text:

http://www.tropie.tarnow.opoka.org.pl/polacy.htm

[Podlachian]

You could read on this for example this text:

http://www.tropie.tarnow.opoka.org.pl/polacy.htm

O! So can I know, if I am ancient non Indo-European substrate or Indo-European, Celt, German, Semite etc! Wonderfull! Where can I do such test?

[unknown user]

J1 Semitic

[MiloshN]

The theoretical possibility of my haplogroup and sub-branch.

E-V13>E-Z1057>E-CTS1273>E-Z5017>E-Z5016>E-Y3762>E-CTS6377>E-CTS9320>E-Z16988

[nazarian2]

I'm G1-GG265, my great grand father migrated to south america from Bethlehem, Palestine, in the 1910's. He was from armenian background, pressumably. Interestingly, I'm aware of other palestinian christians with G1-GG265 haplogroup but without any armenian background known.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

R1b-U106, proto-Germanic branch most likely, but I need further testing to confirm it. not what i expected, that's for sure

[Figaro]

R-m417 Aryan stronk

[Altaylardan Tunaya]

R1b-M269*

[Ayetooey]

I2a1b, Slavic invader chads from Ukraine, ordered y-67 for subclade info.

[Dacul]

Let me see, I barely have hair on my body, skin is light or very light , I got few beard on my face and some people here were making jokes saying that I am looking as I came from the steppes.
So my Y DNA should be R1A or R1B-Eastern European or Q or N1.

[Artek]

Let me see, I barely have hair on my body, skin is light or very light , I got few beard on my face and some people here were making jokes saying that I am looking as I came from the steppes.
So my Y DNA should be R1A or R1B-Eastern European or Q or N1.

Or J2 or G or E or basically anything until you buy a fookin DNA test

[amXman]

my Y-DNA : R1b->R-L754->R-L389->R-P297->R-M269->R-L23->R-L51->R-L52->R-L151->R-P312->R-U152->R-z192->R-PF6656->R-PF6653

[Erronkari]

R1b U152 (Italo-celtic).

[Antimatter]

I am L1b-M317, my maternal family is R1a-Z93.

[xripkan]

I am L1b-M317, my maternal family is R1a-Z93.

Where is your mother from?

[Antimatter]

Where is your mother from?

Well both of my parents come from the Levant.

[Leto]

I am L1b-M317, my maternal family is R1a-Z93.
Probably Mitanni Aryan.

[Aspirin]

Probably Mitanni Aryan.

Or Turks. :icon_lol:

[xripkan]

Well both of my parents come from the Levant.

Interesting! Do you know the specific subclade?

[El_Abominacion]

O-F1399/O-F3053. Pretty much just an Austro-Asiatic haplo, but Ytree puts it as Vietnamese
https://yfull.com/tree/O-F3053/

[Antimatter]

Interesting! Do you know the specific subclade?
I do not unfortunately.. I will see if they want to do more testings and perhaps do YFULL. But for now I am guessing they cluster with all Levantines who are downstream of R-Z93, although I am not quite knowledgeable about R so forgive me.

Edit: I guess R-Y934 makes a good candidate because much of the Levantines/Arabs in general are on this lineage. This is quite exciting.

Probably Mitanni Aryan.
Hittites and Persians are also good candidates!

[Antimatter]

O-F1399/O-F3053. Pretty much just an Austro-Asiatic haplo, but Ytree puts it as Vietnamese
https://yfull.com/tree/O-F3053/

These are samples. From someone who did ftDNA test.

[xripkan]

I do not unfortunately.. I will see if they want to do more testings and perhaps do YFULL. But for now I am guessing they cluster with all Levantines who are downstream of R-Z93, although I am not quite knowledgeable about R so forgive me.

Edit: I guess R-Y934 makes a good candidate because much of the Levantines/Arabs in general are on this lineage. This is quite exciting.


Yes it is quite possible but some specific clades of R-Y934 because some others are Scythians. R-L657 can also be Arabic but mostly found in Arabian peninsula. Another clade in Levant area is R-CTS6 in which belong the Levites Jews! Really interesting how many indoeuropean subclades there are in so many different Asian peoples.

[Rædwald]

Turns out I'm I-L233, some Western Variant of I2a Haplogroup.

[jingorex]

https://i.postimg.cc/RZ9QfdsK/Stalin-Haplogroup-G.jpg

[xripkan]

Proto-Greeks mostly belonged to R1b-Z2103 and R-Z93 of R1a according to eupedia. So I assume R-Z93 was rare in ancient Greece as well but it existed.
I was wrong here. I spoke with the author of eupedia articles and he told me that a possible clade of Proto-Greeks could be R1a-M458 which existed at Corded Ware and Catacomb cultures.

[TheOldNorth]

According to 23&me, my Y-haplogroup is I-L38 which is an I2a2 sub variant. Whats really interesting is the haplogroup seems to be a rare surviving, pre-neolithic west hunter gatherer haplogroup that's most common in the Hartz mountains of North-central Germany. This makes sense, sense my direct paternal ancestors are of German descent. Either way, it's cool to know my fore-fathers have been in europe sense the beginning.

[arkas]

I-Z17855

A subclade of I-M438 or I2
http://imgur.com/rMHGFKF.jpg

[Ayetooey]

According to 23&me, my Y-haplogroup is I-L38 which is an I2a2 sub variant. Whats really interesting is the haplogroup seems to be a rare surviving, pre-neolithic west hunter gatherer haplogroup that's most common in the Hartz mountains of North-central Germany. This makes sense, sense my direct paternal ancestors are of German descent. Either way, it's cool to know my fore-fathers have been in europe sense the beginning.

Black pride bruv.

[TheOldNorth]

Black pride bruv.

??? I'm not sure if you're joking or not, but if you're not, it should be known that just because the West hunter gatherers had dark skin doesn't make them black, as they had Caucasoid features & blue eyes. Although I'm pretty sure you're joking... I've never been one to pick up sarcasm to well.

[TheOldNorth]

https://i.postimg.cc/RZ9QfdsK/Stalin-Haplogroup-G.jpg

Sense the neolithic farmers like Otzi who was killed with an arrow in his back was G as well, than yeah I'd say G is the OG gangsta haplogroup

[Ayetooey]

??? I'm not sure if you're joking or not, but if you're not, it should be known that just because the West hunter gatherers had dark skin doesn't make them black, as they had Caucasoid features & blue eyes. Although I'm pretty sure you're joking... I've never been one to pick up sarcasm to well.

We are indigenous. Dark skin, blue eyes, and big packages. Our women had big asses hence why the R1B/R1A savages took them.

[Borealis]

We are indigenous. Dark skin, blue eyes, and big packages. Our women had big asses hence why the R1B/R1A savages took them.

The savages took our women as well.

[Ayetooey]

The savages took our women as well.

Indo-European women must of been fugly man; they took Indian women, and big booty paleo european women.

[Coastal Elite]

Indo-European women must of been fugly man; they took Indian women, and big booty paleo european women.

The EEF women were babes but stay away from those Hunter Gatherer women and their big brow ridge.

[Borealis]

Indo-European women must of been fugly man; they took Indian women, and big booty paleo european women.

They took over everything from Europe all the way down to central Asia going into South Asia, even going into west Asia and Siberia. These fuxxers had absolutely no life.

[TheOldNorth]

We are indigenous. Dark skin, blue eyes, and big packages. Our women had big asses hence why the R1B/R1A savages took them.

I've seen quite a few white women with nice asses! I'd say they're underrated. Either way regardless if the first europeans are african or not they did interbreed with the neanderthals, which likely gave them fair features to begin with do to the lack of amount of time to adapt such features, as well as such things as the occipital bun, elongated head, larger eyes, a prominent brow, etc.... that & 40,000 years of divergence. So NO my ancestors were not black
(unless some black slaves from the Maghrebi caliphates took some to Spain that bred with my other ancestors)
but that pretty much the only way how it could've happened, if it did.

[Ayetooey]

The EEF women were babes but stay away from those Hunter Gatherer women and their big brow ridge.

I mean pretty much everyone took hunter gatherer women so they can't of been that bad; they were probably thick as fuck but archaic. Ronda Rousey with a Kim Karshashian ass.

[TheOldNorth]

The EEF women were babes but stay away from those Hunter Gatherer women and their big brow ridge.

women with a bit of a brow ridge can look good, just depends on if her other features complement the face's over arching geometry!

[Ayetooey]

They took over everything from Europe all the way down to central Asia going into South Asia, even going into west Asia and Siberia. These fuxxers had absolutely no life.

Are you R1a brother? Are you one of "them".

[Coastal Elite]

I mean pretty much everyone took hunter gatherer women so they can't of been that bad; they were probably thick as fuck but archaic. Ronda Rousey with a Kim Karshashian ass.

Yeah, you might have to put a bag over their head but nice body.

[Borealis]

The EEF women were babes but stay away from those Hunter Gatherer women and their big brow ridge.

Let's be real, everyone living around that time was probably ugly as f_ck.

[Borealis]

Are you R1a brother? Are you one of "them".

...yes

[Coastal Elite]

Let's be real, everyone living around that time was probably ugly as f_ck.

Lol...no doubt

[Ayetooey]

Indo European. https://i.ytimg.com/vi/NNVrmW0VL2I/hqdefault.jpg

Western Hunter Gatherer https://images.sk-static.com/images/media/profile_images/artists/7738429/huge_avatar


Neolithic farmer https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-dfe40c1663c23c3802c6f30bfa589cc7

[Borealis]

Indo European. https://i.ytimg.com/vi/NNVrmW0VL2I/hqdefault.jpg

Western Hunter Gatherer https://images.sk-static.com/images/media/profile_images/artists/7738429/huge_avatar


Neolithic farmer https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-dfe40c1663c23c3802c6f30bfa589cc7

Did you switch the hunter gatherer and EEF by mistake?

[Ayetooey]

Did you switch the hunter gatherer and EEF by mistake?

Hunter Gatherer gedmatch (ancient Norway) :D.

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 34.27
2 Baltic 31.01
3 Eastern_Euro 30.34
4 Amerindian 4.31
5 Atlantic 0.07

[Borealis]

Hunter Gatherer gedmatch (ancient Norway) :D.

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 34.27
2 Baltic 31.01
3 Eastern_Euro 30.34
4 Amerindian 4.31
5 Atlantic 0.07

Doesn't mean anything when it comes to looks when you talk about ancients.

[TheOldNorth]

Did you switch the hunter gatherer and EEF by mistake?

Neither the hunter-gatherers nor the EEF looked like that Ethiopian looking guy, the Hunter gatherers looked more like modern whites with dark tan (indian shaded perhaps) skin, & the EEF looked like tanner Sardinians. It was the ANE (ancient north Eurasians) that likely looked like image 2

[Ayetooey]

Doesn't mean anything when it comes to looks when you talk about ancients.

It had light skin snp's and blue eye snps. only the first early settlers were "dark skin" late ones would of been white and blonde.

[Ayetooey]

Neither the hunter-gatherers nor the EEF looked like that Ethiopian looking guy, the Hunter gatherers looked more like modern whites with dark tan (indian shaded perhaps) skin, & the EEF looked like tanner Sardinians. It was the ANE (ancient north Eurasians) that likely looked like image 2

Only early Hunter Gatherers were tan skin; later ones had SNP's for blonde hair, light skin, etc.

[TheOldNorth]

Only early Hunter Gatherers were tan skin; later ones had SNP's for blonde hair, light skin, etc.

From the genetic studies I've seen, the EEF were likely at least Olive skin toned with dark hair & eyes like Mediterraneans (which makes sense do to their Anatolian & Levantine ancestry

[Ayetooey]

From the genetic studies I've seen, the EEF were likely at least Olive skin toned with dark hair & eyes like Mediterraneans (which makes sense do to their Anatolian & Levantine ancestry

They would of been the "darkest" of the three by far. Indo Europeans were pale skinned, and late hunter gatherers who had adjusted to the climate were mainly blonde and white. Modern Sardinians have elevated EEF, but are heavily hunter gatherer in Y dna (i2a1a).

[dududud]

From the genetic studies I've seen, the EEF were likely at least Olive skin toned with dark hair & eyes like Mediterraneans (which makes sense do to their Anatolian & Levantine ancestry

This is not really what the data say: Hunter Gatherer lacks a light skin gene, unlike the Early European Farmer who had this gene. This does not mean that the Early European Farmer had no people in their population who had a more tanned skin color or conversely, a lighter skin color ... Same for Hunther Gatherer: no one said they had black skin, but it's assumed they have more darker skin than Early European Farmer for the reason i mentioned above.

On this site we can see the pigmentation of England N (Neolithic):
https://genetiker.wordpress.com/pigmentation/

[arkas]

Which one am I if I'm I2/I-M438 and my subclade is I-Z17855?

[Dick]

Which one am I if I'm I2/I-M438 and my subclade is I-Z17855?

I2a1

[MiloshN]

O.M.G my ancestor in the Roman legion!

http://solarey.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/African-Romans-00-1.jpg

[farke1]

R1b-L21. Don't want to post the specific subclade as for some reason, googling it actually links back to my family surname lol.

[Kyp]

R1a-M417 (most likely)

[Armenian Bishop]

R1a-M417 (most likely)

Why most likely? Did you do a DNA Test?

[Kyp]

Why most likely? Did you do a DNA Test?

I did the MorleyDNA.com Predictor. Other users said it's pretty accurate for telling the main Hg. I'm aware that it doesn't mean anything.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?251096-Post-your-Y-DNA-prediction/page9

[Artek]

R1b-L21. Don't want to post the specific subclade as for some reason, googling it actually links back to my family surname lol.

That's just a surname, probably at least couple of dozens of people (at least) carries it anyway so that's not really a privacy breach.

[Landry95]

E-M293 introduced by South Cushitic pastoralists

[Snkves]

R1a1a1a-L664

https://i.imgur.com/b8hAshR.png
From AncestryDNA raw data using https://ytree.morleydna.com/extractFromAutosomal
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https://i.imgur.com/MvSdLut.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/QKEK0PN.jpg
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Paper trail of direct paternal line goes to 1754 in Södermanland.
https://i.imgur.com/jjjxLOO.png

[Rico33]

I have heard that I belong to G1. Y-dna.

[Chryssie Khanate]

R1b > R-M173 > R-M343 > R-M269 > R-L47 > R-Z159


Anyone else have R-Z159 by chance?


Apparently it's common in the Frisian, German, and Danish populations, and it was brought over to England by invading Angles, Saxons, and Jutes.

[MiloshN]

What does this mean?

http://prntscr.com/p6xd3t

[Morlak]

I am an E-V13 nigga

[MiloshN]

I am an E-V13 nigga


yes we are...

[Cobba]

My Y haplo is R1b-cts1751.. Anyone that has this or understands the point of origin of it, time frame for it , holla!

[Figaro]

R1aryan, bruh. lol....

[tipirneni]

Y: H-M69 -> H-M82 -> SK1225 -> H-Z5888 -> H-Z5890 -> H-CTS8144 [CTS8144/PF1741/M5498] -> Z34531 (H1a1a4b3b1a8~)


M2826>M69>M52>M82>M2914>Z4361 found in Gonur 2280BCE & Shahr-i-Sokte 2875BCE which is few branches away. More than 420M people have different H clades in South Asia


R1b also has [CTS8144/PF1741/M5498] branch for some reason

[Gallop]

My haplogroup dna Y is: E-BY7450

[WhatsGoingOnBigGuy]

R1a-Z92, typical Balto-Slavic lineage

[PT Tagus]

G-L91

[MiloshN]

Not H in the poll?

[MiloshN]

Was my Y-DNA ancestor an Illiriyan?

The branch is about 3000 years old. There are no Albanians?

https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-BY34282/

What is this supposed to mean?

ps. In branch E-Y133830 third result is from Serbia. I'm not sure about this one above ...

[Ülev]

no one with T was banned ever

[Dna8]

J2

[Slavic Italian]

R-M512 Slavic super race.

[TheOldNorth]

oops, guys I picked I2a2, but I didn't realize I-L38 had been reclassified as I2a1b2a

[gixajo]

Half Basque and half inner Andalusian, Spanish, scoring high % Iberian (around 90% or more) and I am... r1a1a1 , r1a-M417.

I see more or less where it comes from, but, most of european members here who has this haplogroup, where come usually from? Poland? Russia? Germans?

[Leto]

Suposedly half Basque and half Andalusian, Spanish, and I am... r1a1a1 , r1a-M417.
Holy shit, that's our guy over there in Spain! :thumb001:

[hedonist]

Why do people care about this stuff?

[samario]

R-Z93 is a subclade of R1a I think so I voted that.

[gixajo]

Why do people care about this stuff?

Ehm, if you are reading this thread you must care also.

In my case, I don´t care, but is just curiousity, is not frequent the r1a1 in Spain (1,5% average in whole peninsula and 8,5% in certain northern area), and as far as I know, I have not any foreign ancestor at least after XV century in maternal side and the beginning XIX century in paternal one.

[Longbowman]

Half Basque and half inner Andalusian, Spanish, scoring high % Iberian (around 90% or more) and I am... r1a1a1 , r1a-M417.

I see more or less where it comes from, but, most of european members here who has this haplogroup, where come usually from? Poland? Russia? Germans?

Possibly a slave from 1,000 years back, or a settler from more recent times. In the 18th and 19th century central European settlers colonised some Andalucian valleys.

[gixajo]

Possibly a slave from 1,000 years back, or a settler from more recent times. In the 18th and 19th century central European settlers colonised some Andalucian valleys.

Yes, I know it, "Nuevas Poblaciones de Andalucía", my paternal Granparents were form Úbeda, which is near La Carolina, one of those new cities built to take in those colons. But it could come from "who knows", may be a Polish soldier of the Napoleon troops or related with any Viking incursion in the north of Spain, it´s impossible know it now.

I see you could be related with Sephardic jews, do you have any Spanish surname?

[Longbowman]

Yes, I know it, "Nuevas Poblaciones de Andalucía", my paternal Granparents were form Úbeda, which is near La Carolina, one of those new cities built to take in those colons. But it could come from "who knows", may be a Polish soldier of the Napoleon troops or related with any Viking incursion in the north of Spain, it´s impossible know it now.

I see you could be related with Sephardic jews, do you have any Spanish surname?

'Could be?' es un hecho, no una suposición ;)

Apellidos españoles conocidos en mi árbol genealógico: Garcia, Abigador, Lion (León), Mendoza, Torres, Lopez, Castro, de Ledesma, Rodriguez, Mansilla, Fernandez, Martinez, Laguna, de Lucena, Nuñez, Robles, Lindo, Lamego, de Marchena, Cataldo, otros.

Hay muchos otros de origines portugueses, árabes, y hebreos.

[gixajo]

'Could be?' es un hecho, no una suposición ;)

Apellidos españoles conocidos en mi árbol genealógico: Garcia, Abigador, Lion (León), Mendoza, Torres, Lopez, Castro, de Ledesma, Rodriguez, Mansilla, Fernandez, Martinez, Laguna, de Lucena, Nuñez, Robles, Lindo, Lamego, de Marchena, Cataldo, otros.

Hay muchos otros de origines portugueses, árabes, y hebreos.

Lamego creo que podría ser portugués en origen.

Lion así escrito no parece español, así escrito podría ser italiano.Cataldo posiblemente sea italiano también.

Lindo al parecer si es español, nunca lo había oido.

Abigador es claramente hebreo, "Abigador (H) De Avigador - protector padre"

El resto son españoles, y como apellidos españoles, cualquiera de ellos lo podría haber llevado un español de religión judía (o no) como sabrás, incluso de antes de ser convertidos al catolicismo . Los sefardíes que más apellidos hebreos conservaron fueron logicamente los que fueron expulsados, porque no tenían generalmente que ocultar sus orígenes allá donde fueron.

Pero bueno, supongo que todo esto lo sabrás al menos igual que yo lo sé, y posiblemente más.

Yo toda mi vida estuve convencido que mi familia podría tener antepasados judíos, y pensé que después de tantos siglos desde el edicto de Granada quedaría poca cosa en mi adn, pero algo quedaría. Hasta el momento no me han dado en ninguna estimación ni el más mínimo % judío.

Saludos desde Sefarad.

[Longbowman]

Lamego creo que podría ser portugués en origen.

Tienes razón, creo que es geográfico y que tiene que ver con un pueblo portugués.


Lion así escrito no parece español, así escrito podría ser italiano.

Pero sé que originalmente aquella rama de mi familia se llamaba de León.


Cataldo posiblemente sea italiano también.

No lo habría pensado, pero tal vez tienes razón :)


Lindo al parecer si es español, nunca lo había oido.

Nombre muy común en las comunidades sefarditas, con una etimologia popular de la palabra española cotidiana.


Abigador es claramente hebreo, "Abigador (H) De Avigador - protector padre"

Pensaba que fuera una corrupción de 'abogado' pero tu razonamiento tiene más sentido.


El resto son españoles, y como apellidos españoles, cualquiera de ellos lo podría haber llevado un español de religión judía (o no) como sabrás, incluso de antes de ser convertidos al catolicismo . Los sefardíes que más apellidos hebreos conservaron fueron logicamente los que fueron expulsados, porque no tenían generalmente que ocultar sus orígenes allá donde fueron.

Pero bueno, supongo que todo esto lo sabrás al menos igual que yo lo sé, y posiblemente más.

Con la excepción de una soltera rama de mi familia (esa siendo la familia Abulafia) todos mis parientes sefarditas son conversos. Mi último antepasado huyó de la península ibérica en el siglo XVIII.


Yo toda mi vida estuve convencido que mi familia podría tener antepasados judíos, y pensé que después de tantos siglos desde el edicto de Granada quedaría poca cosa en mi adn, pero algo quedaría. Hasta el momento no me han dado en ninguna estimación ni el más mínimo % judío.

Es muy probable que tengas al mínimo un par de antepasados muy distantes, hablando solo en términos de las matemáticas.


Saludos desde Sefarad.

Saludos desde Anglia :)

[gixajo]

Con la excepción de una soltera rama de mi familia (esa siendo la familia Abulafia) todos mis parientes sefarditas son conversos. Mi último antepasado huyó de la península ibérica en el siglo XVIII.



Es muy probable que tengas al mínimo un par de antepasados muy distantes, hablando solo en términos de las matemáticas.



Saludos desde Anglia :)

Alguna preguntilla por curiosidad, me interesa el tema sefardí.

¿Los que dices que eran conversos, mantuvieron la religión hebrea hasta tan tarde dentro de España? Hablas del siglo XVIII.

¿En qué parte de España vivían tus antepasados? El resto de apellidos españoles parecen castellanos comunes.

Sí, lo normal es que si pudiera remontarme con seguridad hasta antepasados míos de antes de 1492, según fuera yendo hacia atrás, algunos antepasdos tanto sefardíes como moriscos aparecerían. Pero después de tanto tiempo su herencia genética en mí al parecer es mínima o inexistente.por parte de madre he llegado a conocer el nombre de algunos de antes de 1492, pero nada me indica que pudieran ser judíos.

Y la última, veo que eres del Reino Unido, ¿Tu familia ha mantenido el ladino y por eso hablas castellano ?, si estás usando un traductor automático o te cuesta expresarte en castellano y si seguimos conversando puedo hacerlo en (mal) inglés.

[Longbowman]

Alguna preguntilla por curiosidad, me interesa el tema sefardí.

¿Los que dices que eran conversos, mantuvieron la religión hebrea hasta tan tarde dentro de España? Hablas del siglo XVIII.

Por supuesto, o al menos, así declararon al huir desde el pais y volver a una comunidad abierta.

Unos antepasados míos fueron quemados en la primera década del siglo XVIII.

Pero es muy posible que unos se convertieron realmente y solo redescubrieron su judaísmo después de unos anos o siglos.


En qué parte de España vivían tus antepasados? El resto de apellidos españoles parecen castellanos comunes.

Muchas, en particular Andalucia y Castilla.


Sí, lo normal es que si pudiera remontarme con seguridad hasta antepasados míos de antes de 1492, según fuera yendo hacia atrás, algunos antepasdos tanto sefardíes como moriscos aparecerían. Pero después de tanto tiempo su herencia genética en mí al parecer es mínima o inexistente.por parte de madre he llegado a conocer el nombre de algunos de antes de 1492, pero nada me indica que pudieran ser judíos.

Desafortunadamente, como puedes ver en mi caso, muchísimos apellidos sefardies son indistinguibles de los apellidos 'normales.'


Y la última, veo que eres del Reino Unido, ¿Tu familia ha mantenido el ladino y por eso hablas castellano ?, si estás usando un traductor automático o te cuesta expresarte en castellano y si seguimos conversando puedo hacerlo en (mal) inglés.

Ladino no, hablamos inglés. Aprendí espanol en el instituto. Hay una sóla oración que cantamos en español - Bendigamos (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bendigamos). El último servicio en español o portugués en nuestros servicios tomó lugar en el siglo XIX. No obstante, mi familia ha mantenido la cultura y liturgia judia-española muy bien - mis padres se casaron en una sinagoga sefardí londinese, y allí me circuncidé tambien, aja. Aún me quedo miembro, aunque no frequento servicios a menudo.

Hablas un inglés muy bueno; sin embargo, no hay muchas oportunidades para mi hablar (o escribir) en español - pido perdón si te estoy rubando una oportunidad de práctica para ti! Quizás podrías responder en inglés mientras yo te replico en castellano?

[gixajo]

Por supuesto, o al menos, así declararon al huir desde el pais y volver a una comunidad abierta.

Unos antepasados míos fueron quemados en la primera década del siglo XVIII.

Pero es muy posible que unos se convertieron realmente y solo redescubrieron su judaísmo después de unos anos o siglos.



Muchas, en particular Andalucia y Castilla.



Desafortunadamente, como puedes ver en mi caso, muchísimos apellidos sefardies son indistinguibles de los apellidos 'normales.'



Ladino no, hablamos inglés. Aprendí espanol en el instituto. Hay una sóla oración que cantamos en español - Bendigamos (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bendigamos). El último servicio en español o portugués en nuestros servicios tomó lugar en el siglo XIX. No obstante, mi familia ha mantenido la cultura y liturgia judia-española muy bien - mis padres se casaron en una sinagoga sefardí londinese, y allí me circuncidé tambien, aja. Aún me quedo miembro, aunque no frequento servicios a menudo.

Hablas un inglés muy bueno; sin embargo, no hay muchas oportunidades para mi hablar (o escribir) en español - pido perdón si te estoy rubando una oportunidad de práctica para ti! Quizás podrías responder en inglés mientras yo te replico en castellano?

Ok, for me it´s perfect,i write in english and you do what you want. you speak better Spanish than me English.

Do you know exactly where in Andalucia or Castilla?

Do you have exactly data about those ancestors burned alive in the XVIII century? I read that during XVIII were burned 115 persons.

[Longbowman]

Ok, for me it´s perfect,i write in english and you do what you want. you speak better Spanish than me English.

Do you know exactly where in Andalucia or Castilla?

Do you have exactly data about those ancestors burned alive in the XVIII century? I read that during XVIII were burned 115 persons.

Tenía una lista pero hay pueblos y aldeas que ya no he añadido. Los lugares incluyen Sevilla, Medina de Rioseco, Medina del Campo, y Tarifa, entre muchos otros. La mitología de mi familia siempre hablaba de herencia de Toledo pero no he encontrado jamás ningún fragmento de evidencia.

Tengo data sepultada en montones de documentos virtuales, pero no recuerdo el nombre fuera de mi cabeza. El hombre era Portugués.

[mashail]

R1A

[gixajo]

R1A

This is not very precise. Did you try Morley´s predictor? : https://ytree.morleydna.com/extractFromAutosomal

[Leto]

This is not very precise. Did you try Morley´s predictor? : https://ytree.morleydna.com/extractFromAutosomal
She (her father) is most certainly Z93 i.e. the Asian branch.

[gixajo]

She (her father) is most certainly Z93 i.e. the Asian branch.

I didn´t notice she was a woman, sorry.

[mashail]

This is not very precise. Did you try Morley´s predictor? : https://ytree.morleydna.com/extractFromAutosomal

My brother got R1A so that's my y-DNA. the link that u sent it doesn't work with ftdna kits.
I tried a different one and that's what we got
https://www8.0zz0.com/2020/02/03/01/952216219.png

[gixajo]

My brother got R1A so that's my y-DNA. the link that u sent it doesn't work with ftdna kits.
I tried a different one and that's what we got
https://www8.0zz0.com/2020/02/03/01/952216219.png

Do you know any mtDNA predictor that works with autosomal data from MyHeritage?

[porpozontokonto]

R-Z93 is a subclade of R1a I think so I voted that.

Based andronovo colombian bro

[Art23]

I have done Big Y, uploaded to Yfull. Basically, all I have learnt that my paternal lineage is very Slavic which I have always known. Great. :joy

[Ülev]

^^ say hello to R1ethel

[Ford]

R1b, probably Celto-Germanic.

[PaleoEuropean]

This is not very precise. Did you try Morley´s predictor? : https://ytree.morleydna.com/extractFromAutosomal

Morley's predictor is pretty good, got my haplogroup correct.

[Dna8]

V1aH

[Rædwald]

https://i.postimg.cc/Dw979XRC/SNPTracker-map-1.jpg

[Domias]

I-P109 (I1)
Originally Nordic according to Eupedia. This is quite funny because I'm not tall and not blond :picard1: (obviously I know physical appearance isn't influenced by Haplogroups)

[Domias]

Are they other French members with I1 haplogroup here ? The most common haplgroup in France is R1b, mine is rare in my county

[MiloshN]

E-v13 :(

[Longbowman]

E-v13 :(

why the sad face

[MiloshN]

why the sad face

well, E-v13 is cool, but i don't like, because ''related'' to Albanians... They are so aggressive and boring. They claim everything that is not Slav in the Balkan. What is wrong...

[Nomansman]

L1c [L-M357]

Basically common amongst burushos and kalashis and slighltly less amongst balochs

[MagnusDark]

well, E-v13 is cool, but i don't like, because ''related'' to Albanians... They are so aggressive and boring. They claim everything that is not Slovenian in the Balkan. What is wrong...

First off, your clades common ancestor with Albanians dates to 900BC. Long before Albanians formed out of the ashes of surviving Illyrians.

Secondly, you, a Serb, has some nerve calling Albanians "aggressive". Recent history states OTHERWISE.Unless you assume genocide against non-Christians is "ok". Maybe in the mind of a deluded Serb.

Albanians do not claim everything non-Slavic. They only claim Illyrian. It is YOU and your ilk that claim everything(Bosniensis)."

Whats wrong is something mental. Maybe go speak to a therapist about it.

[MiloshN]

https://i.imgur.com/SI8iFCn.png

[OrhanU]

E-V13 according to Morley.

[Ülev]

only T1 will survive Covid-19 :rolleyes:

[Hapanuwa]

E-v13

[Jana]

only T1 will survive Covid-19 :rolleyes:

So Voskos is lone TA survivour. :D
And Crimson Guard from Anthroscape :D

[Ülev]

So Voskos is lone TA survivour. :D
And Crimson Guard from Anthroscape :D

yes, they can run away from C-19, they have long, long legs

edit:


Elite endurance runners

Possible patterns between Y-chromosome and elite endurance runners were studied in an attempt to find a genetic explanation to the Ethiopian endurance running success. Given the superiority of East African athletes in international distance running over the past four decades, it has been speculated that they are genetically advantaged. Elite marathon runners from Ethiopia were analysed for K*(xP) which according to the previously published Ethiopian studies is attributable to the haplogroup T[301]

According to further studies,[2] T1a1a* (L208) was found to be proportionately more frequent in the elite marathon runners sample than in the control samples than any other haplogroup, therefore this y-chromosome could play a significant role in determining Ethiopian endurance running success. Haplogroup T1a1a* was found in 14% of the elite marathon runners sample of whom 43% of this sample are from Arsi province. In addition, haplogroup T1a1a* was found in only 4% of the Ethiopian control sample and only 1% of the Arsi province control sample. T1a1a* is positively associated with aspects of endurance running, whereas E1b1b1 (old E3b1) is negatively associated.[302]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_T-M184

[Fiko0]

J-M176>>J-BY54002

Can somebody give more information about this branch?

[El_Abominacion]

Double

[El_Abominacion]

O1b1a1a1a1a1a1a1a on Wegene, a Chinese haplogroup as expected

[SG_Jun]

Haplogroup N-F2930 (N1b) from YSEQ and WeGene, might consider getting a deeper SNP test done soon to ascertain the terminal subclade. 23andMe gave me a false positive result of N-L665


O1b1a1a1a1a1a1a1a on Wegene, a Chinese haplogroup as expected

Hi there I'm also an overseas Chinese from Singapore, my family has been here in Singapore for four generations and they came from the Teochew/Chaoshan speaking area in eastern Guangdong province. O1b1 seems to be more typical for Southern China and is closely associated with Austro-Asiatic speaking people (eg the Vietnamese and other indigenous people of Southern China / Southeast Asia) rather than O2-M122, O2-M134 and O2-M117 which is the most common for Han Chinese in general.

[El_Abominacion]

Haplogroup N-F2930 (N1b) from YSEQ and WeGene, might consider getting a deeper SNP test done soon to ascertain the terminal subclade. 23andMe gave me a false positive result of N-L665



Hi there I'm also an overseas Chinese from Singapore, my family has been here in Singapore for four generations and they came from the Teochew/Chaoshan speaking area in eastern Guangdong province. O1b1 seems to be more typical for Southern China and is closely associated with Austro-Asiatic speaking people (eg the Vietnamese and other indigenous people of Southern China / Southeast Asia) rather than O2-M122, O2-M134 and O2-M117 which is the most common for Han Chinese in general.

Interesting, I know that my Chinese great grandfather was also from Guangdong but unsure of which part. Thank you for sharing

[Kerem_turc]

G2a3b1i

[Luso]

R1b1a1a2a1a2a5

[aklifal]

N-P43

[papa diddy pop]

R1b U152 Z56 !

[Ford]

O1b1a1a1a1a1a1a1a on Wegene, a Chinese haplogroup as expected

No offense but I thought this was a joke at first haha

[TheLigurian]

According a paternal cousin, that is a fanatic of this things, we are I2a2.

[Brutus]

I1a3(a1a1)

[Chris596]

E-V13 according to Myheritage (where I got an insanely high Balkan result). I'm not sure. Currently waiting for my new ancestry report...

[MiloshN]

H1a-M82

[MiloshN]

E-V13 according to Myheritage (where I got an insanely high Balkan result). I'm not sure. Currently waiting for my new ancestry report...

You don't wanna be E-V13 :eek: ?

[Chris596]

You don't wanna be E-V13 :eek: ?

I didn't think about this :P It's just still so weird to find out that I'm almost 100% Balkan (this is the most unbelievable to me). With my new 23andme file I get 55% Balkan in Tolan Recent Ancestors (it was 87% before). I'll share my new ancestry report soon, which will be more precise according to most members here.

[MiloshN]

I didn't think about this :P It's just still so weird to find out that I'm almost 100% Balkan (this is the most unbelievable to me). With my new 23andme file I get 55% Balkan in Tolan Recent Ancestors (it was 87% before). I'll share my new ancestry report soon, which will be more precise according to most members here.

You will probably get R1b ...

[MiloshN]

E-V13

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Q2X7eP6d0ME/maxresdefault.jpg

I2/I1

https://66.media.tumblr.com/b0e6a8541e9d25399b77560733cf2be1/tumblr_oh43ly4Iwm1rs81xfo3_500.jpg

OMG, Why God??

[Daos777]

E-V13

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Q2X7eP6d0ME/maxresdefault.jpg

I2/I1

https://66.media.tumblr.com/b0e6a8541e9d25399b77560733cf2be1/tumblr_oh43ly4Iwm1rs81xfo3_500.jpg

OMG, Why God??

Lmao the top one ain’t E-V13


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[MiloshN]

A1b1a1a1b

[Brutus]

I didn't think about this :P It's just still so weird to find out that I'm almost 100% Balkan (this is the most unbelievable to me). With my new 23andme file I get 55% Balkan in Tolan Recent Ancestors (it was 87% before). I'll share my new ancestry report soon, which will be more precise according to most members here.

Haplogroups don't have much importance compared to autosomal, they only show the migration of your paternal ancestors, autosomal on the other hand shows you all of your ancestors for the past couple of hundreds of years, albeit it can be much less accurate. Don't treat the autosomal results too seriously, they're a rough approximation and don't represent all of your genome. But other than that, Good luck! :)

[TheLigurian]

E-V13 according to Myheritage (where I got an insanely high Balkan result). I'm not sure. Currently waiting for my new ancestry report...

It won't change, if you are already E1b, you will stay E1b.

[Götterfunke]

I1, I-L22 to be particular, according to 23andme a rather rare haplogroup, prominent in Scandinavia and Western Europe.

[MiloshN]

Where are my niggers E-V13???? :victory0:

[Rocinante]

Where are my R-L21 negro-kelts?

[Teutonski]

I1, I-L22 to be particular, according to 23andme a rather rare haplogroup, prominent in Scandinavia and Western Europe.

I1 and I2 are allied with E-V13 against R1 on this forum.

[Blemoir]

Noob question, but how do I find out my haplogroup? I have raw data from MyHeritage, is there a tool I can use to know my haplogoup?

[Luso]

Noob question, but how do I find out my haplogroup? I have raw data from MyHeritage, is there a tool I can use to know my haplogoup?

I'm pretty sure you can put MyHeritage into this tool to find your y-dna:

https://cladefinder.yseq.net/

[Teutonski]

I'm pretty sure you can put MyHeritage into this tool to find your y-dna:

https://cladefinder.yseq.net/

Whats your religion dude

[Teutonski]

I'm pretty sure you can put MyHeritage into this tool to find your y-dna:

https://cladefinder.yseq.net/

Whats your religion dude

[Blemoir]

I'm pretty sure you can put MyHeritage into this tool to find your y-dna:

https://cladefinder.yseq.net/

Thanks! :thumb001: It's R1a apparently, weird...

[Luso]

Whats your religion dude

Not very religious, I'd consider myself culturally catholic and practiced a bit when I was younger but I respect Catholicism more than any other religion. I was also baptized when I was a kid.

[Luso]

Thanks! :thumb001: It's R1a apparently, weird...

hmm, can you copy what it shows? Paste the whole thing.

[Blemoir]

hmm, can you copy what it shows? Paste the whole thing.

Here...
https://i.imgur.com/qifpcKS.png

Did I do it Right?

[Rocinante]

Thanks! :thumb001: It's R1a apparently, weird...

could you paste all the result?

[Rocinante]

Here...
https://i.imgur.com/qifpcKS.png

Did I do it Right?

LOL. It´s R1a-Z645 for sure, seems to be that Z2125 is a false positive on MyHeritage raw data. From where is your paternal line?

[Blemoir]

LOL. It´s R1a-Z645 for sure, seems to be that Z2125 is a false positive on MyHeritage raw data. From where is your paternal line?

My father is half south italian half iberian roughly.

[gixajo]

LOL. It´s R1a-Z645 for sure, seems to be that Z2125 is a false positive on MyHeritage raw data. From where is your paternal line?

Another R1a???

Those were exactly my results.

[Luso]

My father is half south italian half iberian roughly.

that explains it. Pretty sure the clade you got is very particular to Italy.

[Rocinante]

My father is half south italian half iberian roughly.

But i mean, is your last name portuguese or italian? The father of your father of your father, where is he from?


Another R1a???

Those were exactly my results.

Yep, your cousin!

[Kyp]

Another R1a???

Those were exactly my results.

Same as mine too.. Can it be this common??

[Blemoir]

But i mean, is your last name portuguese or italian? The father of your father of your father, where is he from?

Then it's portuguese... even weirder.

[Kyp]

Noob question, but how do I find out my haplogroup? I have raw data from MyHeritage, is there a tool I can use to know my haplogoup?

You can also try : https://ytree.morleydna.com/extractFromAutosomal

[Ethel]

Here...
https://i.imgur.com/qifpcKS.png

Did I do it Right?

Seems to be downstream Z93 clade, which is Indo-Iranian
I have no idea how it could end up in Iberia.

https://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup-R1a-Z93-Asia.png

[gixajo]

Same as mine too.. Can it be this common??

For an Spanish it´s quite strange to be R1a but not impossible, for you, there are R1a in Germany and in Azerbaidjan, different subclades but R1a, Z2125 is most likely from Azerbaidjan, but as Rocinante says, MyHeritage raw data uses to give a false positive and attributes z2125 to many R1a. So R1a is sure, M-417 or Z93 most likely too, but beyond we cannot know.

If your father is from Azerbaidjan, yo could be Z2125 perfectly.

[gixajo]

You can also try : https://ytree.morleydna.com/extractFromAutosomal

Morley to me and to my father gave us M-417.

[Rocinante]

Then it's portuguese... even weirder.

You might be R1a-Z283 due germanic invasions (visigoths and suebis) or R1a-Z93 due scythians.

[Kyp]

For an Spanish it´s quite strange to be R1a but not impossible, for you, there are R1a in Germany and in Azerbaidjan, different subclades but R1a, Z2125 is most likely from Azerbaidjan, but as Rocinante says, MyHeritage raw data uses to give a false positive and attributes z2125 to many R1a. So R1a is sure, M-417 or Z93 most likely too, but beyond we cannot know.

If your father is from Azerbaidjan, yo could be Z2125 perfectly.

Yes, I'm still interested in why so many Iberians here get positives for it. I also tested with Myheritage btw..

A lot of new samples have been added for it btw if anyone's interested:

https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z2125/

[Rocinante]

For an Spanish it´s quite strange to be R1a but not impossible, for you, there are R1a in Germany and in Azerbaidjan, different subclades but R1a, Z2125 is most likely from Azerbaidjan, but as Rocinante says, MyHeritage raw data uses to give a false positive and attributes z2125 to many R1a. So R1a is sure, M-417 or Z93 most likely too, but beyond we cannot know.

If your father is from Azerbaidjan, yo could be Z2125 perfectly.

Everyone is positive for Z2125 and S41 with MyHeritage, they are confirmed false positives, so is not trustable.

[Kyp]

Everyone is positive for Z2125 and S41 with MyHeritage, they are confirmed false positives, so is not trustable.

Damn now I'm scared too..

[gixajo]

Then it's portuguese... even weirder.

It´s weird but no so strange, my paternal side is from Andalusia and they are too.

Maybe tomorrow 23andme will give me their results, and maybe they tell me a more close subclade.

I bet for a common Z-93 and no more beyond this, but maybe with any internet predictor using the new raw data, I obtain more.

[Kyp]

It´s weird but no so strange, my paternal side is from Andalusia and they are too.

Maybe tomorrow 23andme will give me their results, and maybe they tell me a more close subclade.

I bet for a common Z-93 and no more beyond this, but maybe with any internet predictor using the new raw data, I obtain more.

Looking forward to your result!


Morley to me and to my father gave us M-417.

same for me & my father

[gixajo]

Everyone is positive for Z2125 and S41 with MyHeritage, they are confirmed false positives, so is not trustable.

I know it, but if his father is from Azerbaidjan, and he is R1a, most likely he would be z2125 in that particular case.

In my case or Blemoir´s case, it´s not so likely.

[Luso]

I really want to do the FTDNA Y-BIG to get a very precise and 100% objective clade but it is so expensive. However, I am pretty much convinced I am R-Z225 as the tool pinpointed it very well.

[Rocinante]

I know it, but if his father is from Azerbaidjan, and he is R1a, most likely he would be z2125 in that particular case.

In my case or Blemoir´s case, it´s not so likely.

Blemoir case would be very like yours.


Damn now I'm scared too..

Your case is almost 100% for sure you are Z93, is the most common clade in Azerbaijan, would be actually pretty weird if you get Z283 (IMHO). But put in judgement that Z2125, also the people getting positive in R1b-S41.

[Blemoir]

Everyone is positive for Z2125 and S41 with MyHeritage, they are confirmed false positives, so is not trustable.

So my haplogroup might not be R1a then?

[Rocinante]

So my haplogroup might not be R1a then?

You are 10000% for sure R1a-Z645, no return. What you are not for sure is Z93 or Z2125.

[Blemoir]

You can also try : https://ytree.morleydna.com/extractFromAutosomal

I can't use this, i've tried before...
https://i.imgur.com/esq1Vdg.png

[Kyp]

Blemoir case would be very like yours.



Your case is almost 100% for sure you are Z93, is the most common clade in Azerbaijan, would be actually pretty weird if you get Z283 (IMHO). But put in judgement that Z2125, also the people getting positive in R1b-S41.

I don't understand the last part with R1b. What do you mean?

[Blemoir]

It´s weird but no so strange, my paternal side is from Andalusia and they are too.

Maybe tomorrow 23andme will give me their results, and maybe they tell me a more close subclade.

I bet for a common Z-93 and no more beyond this, but maybe with any internet predictor using the new raw data, I obtain more.

This coming from Andalusia would make more sense?

[gixajo]

You are 10000% for sure R1a-Z645, no return. What you are not for sure is Z93 or Z2125.

But Z-645 is not more accurate than Z-93?

Todo esto de los haplotipos lo conozco muy superficialmente. Pensaba que el Z-645 era una rama del Z-93 y no al revés.

[Blemoir]

You are 10000% for sure R1a-Z645, no return. What you are not for sure is Z93 or Z2125.

Ok, I get it :thumb001:

[Rocinante]

I don't understand the last part with R1b. What do you mean?

Everyone that has a raw data from MyHeritage, is positive for R1b-S47 (sorry, not S41), and R1a-Z2125, is a false positive SNP, is something a bit complicated to explain.

[Rocinante]

But Z-645 is not more accurate than Z-93?

Todo esto de los haplotipos lo conozco muy superficialmente. Pensaba que el Z-645 era una rama del Z-93 y no al revés.

Es al reves:

https://www.eupedia.com/images/content/R1a-tree.png

Igual con el Z645 no haces mucho.

[Blemoir]

Seems to be downstream Z93 clade, which is Indo-Iranian
I have no idea how it could end up in Iberia.

https://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup-R1a-Z93-Asia.png

Indo-iranian... wow:noidea:

[Ethel]

Indo-iranian... wow:noidea:

It may be a false positive, but if you're truly Z93, I guess it could only have been brought by Indoeuropean groups, maybe visigoths (?)

[Blemoir]

It may be a false positive, but if you're truly Z93, I guess it could only have been brought by Indoeuropean groups, maybe visigoths (?)

Yeah, Visigoths could make sense...

[gixajo]

This coming from Andalusia would make more sense?


Anything genetic makes as much sense in Portugal as in Spain, although some are more likely to happen in Portugal, and others are not.

Cantabria is the Spanish region where R1a is more frequent, and if it is supposed that the reconquest was carried out from north to south, the Andalusian area where my father's line is is just in a straight line.

The Visigothic ancestry could be another explanation, or any Polish soldier from the napoleon army, or who knows, a Russian sailor in your case if your paternal side where from a coastal zone.

In my case also I thought in the creation of settlements with people from central europe at the end of the 18th century near the city where my father was born.

Or maybe a non-European origin, who knows.

[Rocinante]

R1a-Z93 in Europe only make sense with Scynthians, but seems to be that Z2124 is the european clade inside Z94 (this clade is the only non-euro clade in Z93). This is complex!

[Blemoir]

Anything genetic makes as much sense in Portugal as in Spain, although some are more likely to happen in Portugal, and others are not.

Cantabria is the Spanish region where R1a is more frequent, and if it is supposed that the reconquest was carried out from north to south, the Andalusian area where my father's line is is just in a straight line.

The Visigothic ancestry could be another explanation, or any Polish soldier from the napoleon army, or who knows, a Russian sailor in your case if your paternal side where from a coastal zone.

In my case also I thought in the creation of settlements with people from central europe at the end of the 18th century near the city where my father was born.

Or maybe a non-European origin, who knows.

It's a pity I have no idea where my iberian ancestors are from. The only european ancestor I know for a fact is my italian grandmother. Iberians are from the colonial era.

[Ethel]

It's a pity I have no idea where my iberian ancestors are from. The only european ancestor I know for a fact is my italian grandmother. Iberians are from the colonial era.

Not all european-derived colonial ancestry in Brazil is 100% Iberian tho. One could have several things mixed, the surname doesn't always correlate or descend directly from Portugal. They can be given/adopted surnames, there are also bastard/love-children, etc.

[Blemoir]

Not all european-derived colonial ancestry in Brazil is 100% Iberian tho. One could have several things mixed, the surname doesn't always correlates or descend directly from Portugal. They can be given/adopted surnames, there are also bastard/love-child, etc.

Yes I Know, But I did a DNA test. I'm mostly Iberian, SSA and amerindian are residual.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrZzW1bq0I0&feature=youtu.be

[gixajo]

It's a pity I have no idea where my iberian ancestors are from. The only european ancestor I know for a fact is my italian grandmother. Iberians are from the colonial era.

But your first surname it´s your maternal surname or your paternal surname? I think that in Portugal the order of the last names is not so fixed.

Anyway, maybe if you tell your paternal surname to a Portuguese member who knows about Portuguese surnames or genealogy, he can tell you from which Portugal zone it could be.

But I am not sure if Portugal has particular surnames from one area or another as frequently as in Spain, in that aspect, you do not have as much variety AFAIK.

[Blemoir]

But your first surname it´s your maternal surname or your paternal surname? I think that in Portugal the order of the last names is not so fixed.

Anyway, maybe if you tell your paternal surname to a Portuguese member who knows about Portuguese surnames or genealogy, he can tell you from which Portugal zone it could be.

But I am not sure if Portugal has particular surnames from one area or another as frequently as in Spain, in that aspect, you do not have as much variety AFAIK.

My Paternal surnames are Cardone Gomes; Maternal maiden surnames are Barros da Fonseca. The second surnames are the paternal ones.

[Blemoir]

Maybe Luso could help with the surnames. :D

[gixajo]

My Paternal surnames are Cardone Gomes; Maternal maiden surnames are Barros da Fonseca. The second surnames are the paternal ones.

Cardone is Italian, so you paternal line , which is what is related with your Y-dna, and your haplotype should come from Italy.

As long as there were no relatively recent infidelities along the way that break the link with Italy, of course.

[Blemoir]

Cardone is Italian.

Yes, it's from my grandmother which was neapolitan.

[gixajo]

Yes, it's from my grandmother which was neapolitan.

What? Your Grandmother? So cannot be Italian, should be from your grandfather...

That´s why I said that in the case of Portugueses and people from territories under their rule i had many doubts about relating the first surname with the paternal haplotype.

Edit:sorry, maybe Cardone is the surname of your grandmother´s husband.

[Rocinante]

@Blemoir

https://customercare.23andme.com/hc/article_attachments/115019476707/ydna.png

[Blemoir]

What? Your Grandmother? So cannot be Italian, should be from your grandfather...

That´s why I said that in the case of Portugueses and people from territories under their rule i had many doubts about relating the first surname with the paternal haplotype.

Oh ok my bad... My grandfathers surnames are Gomes and Fonseca. Both portuguese. Gomes is from my paternal grandfather.

[gixajo]

@Blemoir

https://customercare.23andme.com/hc/article_attachments/115019476707/ydna.png

No, pero su abuela puede llevar el apellido de su marido, lo hacen en casi toda Europa, me acabo de dar cuenta de eso.

[Rocinante]

No, pero su abuela puede llevar el apellido de su marido, lo hacen en casi toda Europa, me acabo de dar cuenta de eso.

Ya vi que menciono que su linea paterna es Gomes, es portugués y tiene sentido. El R1a en Campania, de donde es su lado italiano, es casi inexistente.

[gixajo]

Oh ok my bad... My grandfathers surnames are Gomes and Fonseca. Both portuguese. Gomes is from my paternal grandfather.

I edited my post, maybe your grandmother surname was the surname of her husband, it´s something usual in many parts of Europe taht women get her husband´s surname after married them.

[Luso]

My Paternal surnames are Cardone Gomes; Maternal maiden surnames are Barros da Fonseca. The second surnames are the paternal ones.

Gomes is Portuguese. Cardone I'm not sure... sounds from Napoli

[gixajo]

Ya vi que menciono que su linea paterna es Gomes, es portugués y tiene sentido. El R1a en Campania, de donde es su lado italiano, es casi inexistente.

Cualquier cosa es posible en todo esto.

Mis resultados aún no están listos, acabo de mirar, me iré a dormir ya, que vaya bien por aquí.

[Blemoir]

Gomes is Portuguese. Cardone I'm not sure... sounds from Naploi

Yes cardone is from Napoli. It's from my grandmother though, the paternal one is Gomes.

[Luso]

Yes cardone is from Napoli. It's from my grandmother though, the paternal one is Gomes.

Yeah then good chance your paternal is from Portugal. However, could have changed surnames to assimilate so never could be sure... unless you're 100% sure they stuck with a Portuguese surname since arrival to Brasil.

[Blemoir]

I edited my post, maybe your grandmother surname was the surname of her husband, it´s something usual in many parts of Europe taht women get her husband´s surname after married them.

No It wasn't, Cardone was hers.

[Blemoir]

Yeah then good chance your paternal is from Portugal. However, could have changed surnames to assimilate so never could be sure... unless you're 100% sure they stuck with a Portuguese surname since arrival to Brasil.

I think it must be from Portugal, but 100% sure I'm not...

[Luso]

I think it must be from Portugal, but 100% sure I'm not...

Have you taken any genetic tests? Like ancestrydna or 23andMe, sometimes they can pinpoint.

[Blemoir]

Have you taken any genetic tests? Like ancestrydna or 23andMe, sometimes they can pinpoint.

Only MyHeritage, from the results it's very likely is portuguese.

https://i.imgur.com/l1RPfWC.png

[Luso]

Only MyHeritage, from the results it's very likely is portuguese.

https://i.imgur.com/l1RPfWC.png

Yeah, I'd bet on it as Portuguese.

[Blemoir]

Yeah, I'd bet on it as Portuguese.

Yes! :thumb001:

But then again how the haplogroup is R1a and not R1b :033102st:

[Ethel]

Yes I Know, But I did a DNA test. I'm mostly Iberian, SSA and amerindian are residual.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrZzW1bq0I0&feature=youtu.be

MyHeritage ethnicity estimate is just the worst in the market. Besides, their raw data is quite good and I know you broke down your DNA with several other calculators, but I'd add the fact that these calculators will show which populations are the closest to you and what combination can (or actually do) make up your background, but they rarely give exact percentages of your ancestry by modern nationalities/ethnicities etc (esp. considering that you're mixed) as 23andme does, for example.
With this in mind, it's important to note that many ethnicities that actually make up your DNA can be so diluted that they become unrecognizable. There was a Brazilian member here with not so distant Dutch ancestors confirmed by papertrail, but that this was undetectable in the calculators/oracles :dunno:

[chinshen]

Mine is R1b.

[Blemoir]

MyHeritage ethnicity estimate is just the worst in the market. Besides, their raw data is quite good and I know you broke down your DNA with several other calculators, but I'd add the fact that these calculators will show which populations are the closest to you and what combination can (or actually do) make up your background, but they rarely give exact percentages of your ancestry by modern nationalities/ethnicities etc (esp. considering that you're mixed) as 23andme does, for example.
With this in mind, it's important to note that many ethnicities that actually make up your DNA can be so diluted that they become unrecognizable. There was a Brazilian member here with not so distant Dutch ancestors confirmed by papertrail, but that this was undetectable in the calculators/oracles :dunno:

Yes I Know MyHeritage is not perceived as good. Unfortunately 23andme and My Ancestry are not available in Brazil.

Do you know this company https://meudna.com/ ? Do you think is worth it?

[Ethel]

Yes I Know MyHeritage is not perceived as good. Unfortunately 23andme and My Ancestry are not available in Brazil.

Do you know this company https://meudna.com/ ? Do you think is worth it?

Never heard of anyone who did it with them, but I know they don't provide raw data. If I were to make a DNA test today, I'd choose Genera, I think it's the best and cheapest one in Brazil today, or even import a DNA test from Family Tree DNA. I read somewhere that Genera has a parnership with FTDNA, don't know if their test is the same, but FTDNA is surely more expensive, especially nowadays (dollar).

Btw, I also tested with MyHeritage. Even though my colonial side is overwhelmingly Portuguese, they gave me 0% Iberian in their report, but gave me lots of Irish/Scottish, North African, Sardinian and Middle Eastern, etc. :noidea:

[Blemoir]

Never heard of anyone who did it with them, but I know they don't provide raw data. If I were to make a DNA test today, I'd choose Genera, I think it's the best and cheapest one in Brazil today, or even import a DNA test from Family Tree DNA. I read somewhere that Genera has a parnership with FTDNA, don't know if their test is the same, but FTDNA is surely more expensive, especially nowadays (dollar).

Btw, I also tested with MyHeritage. Even though my colonial side is overwhelmingly Portuguese, they gave me 0% Iberian in their report, but gave me lots of Irish/Scottish, North African, Sardinian and Middle Eastern, etc. :noidea:

I will take a look at Genera. But in my case I think MyHeritage was alright, they detected my south italian part perfectly for example, as well as iberian. Nothing seems missing and nothing stick out as absurd.

[Götterfunke]

I1 and I2 are allied with E-V13 against R1 on this forum.

Why is that?

[hmaohma78]

Q-M3

[Rocinante]

Q-M3

You are R1b, for sure xD

[hmaohma78]

You are R1b, for sure xD

I got the results today from 23 and me lol thats what I got:noidea:

[Leto]

I got the results today from 23 and me lol thats what I got:noidea:
How much Native American are you? Q is native.

[hmaohma78]

How much Native American are you? Q is native.

39.8%

[Leto]

39.8%
That's a lot. You may wanna upload to Gedmatch and some other free services 'cause I bet you're 5-10% unassigned (all Latinx get that).

[hmaohma78]

That's a lot. You may wanna upload to Gedmatch and some other free services 'cause I bet you're 5-10% unassigned (all Latinx get that).

Yeah got like 10% unassigned
I already uploaded to gedmatch

[Rocinante]

I got the results today from 23 and me lol thats what I got:noidea:

Wow! Well that is pretty interesting, being Mexico predominantly R1b by Y-DNA. Use this tool and paste the results, i will tell you exactly what means your haplo:

https://cladefinder.yseq.net/

[Leto]

Yeah got like 10% unassigned
I already uploaded to gedmatch
Mind sharing your Dodecad World9 components?

[hmaohma78]

Mind sharing your Dodecad World9 components?

I just barely uploaded today haven't got my results yet

[hmaohma78]

Wow! Well that is pretty interesting, being Mexico predominantly R1b by Y-DNA. Use this tool and paste the results, i will tell you exactly what means your haplo:

https://cladefinder.yseq.net/


Q-CTS748 CTS11330/M924+ CTS748/M825+
┣━Q-CTS4255 +1 CTS4255/M859($)
┣━Q-Y10781 BZ1335/BY15722/YP6127(?) CTS10623(?) CTS10699($) CTS10746($) CTS3931($) CTS5172(?) CTS7417(?) CTS9116/V3406(?) V5500/Y10782($) V6248/Y10783($) V6631/Y11658(?) V7499/Y10784($) V7956/Y10785($) Y10781(?) Y11652(?) Y11653($) Y11654/V3686(?) Y11655(?) Y11656($) Y11657(?) Y11659($)
┗━Q-YP4673 +1 BZ915(?) CTS10853(?) CTS11027(?) CTS11064(?) CTS12581(?) CTS1623(?) CTS2927(?) CTS3571(?) CTS3730($) CTS4815(?) CTS5255(?) CTS6593(?) CTS7291($) CTS8265($) CTS8633(?) CTS9435(?) CTS9550(?) FT2981(?) FT3221(?) FT6213(?) Y182311(?) YP4673(?) YP4674(?) YP4675(?) YP4676(?) YP4677(?) YP4678(?) YP4679(?) YP4680(?) YP4681(?) YP4682(?) YP4683(?) YP4684(?) YP4685($) YP4686(?) YP4687(?) YP4688($) YP4689(?)

Available Panels
Q1b-L53 Panel Predicted Q-CTS748 is downstream of the panel root. This panel may be applicable if it tests subclades below Q-CTS748. Please verify and check with YSEQ customer support.


Next best prediction (scored 123 compared to 125) Q-M925

[Rocinante]

Q-CTS748 CTS11330/M924+ CTS748/M825+
┣━Q-CTS4255 +1 CTS4255/M859($)
┣━Q-Y10781 BZ1335/BY15722/YP6127(?) CTS10623(?) CTS10699($) CTS10746($) CTS3931($) CTS5172(?) CTS7417(?) CTS9116/V3406(?) V5500/Y10782($) V6248/Y10783($) V6631/Y11658(?) V7499/Y10784($) V7956/Y10785($) Y10781(?) Y11652(?) Y11653($) Y11654/V3686(?) Y11655(?) Y11656($) Y11657(?) Y11659($)
┗━Q-YP4673 +1 BZ915(?) CTS10853(?) CTS11027(?) CTS11064(?) CTS12581(?) CTS1623(?) CTS2927(?) CTS3571(?) CTS3730($) CTS4815(?) CTS5255(?) CTS6593(?) CTS7291($) CTS8265($) CTS8633(?) CTS9435(?) CTS9550(?) FT2981(?) FT3221(?) FT6213(?) Y182311(?) YP4673(?) YP4674(?) YP4675(?) YP4676(?) YP4677(?) YP4678(?) YP4679(?) YP4680(?) YP4681(?) YP4682(?) YP4683(?) YP4684(?) YP4685($) YP4686(?) YP4687(?) YP4688($) YP4689(?)

Available Panels
Q1b-L53 Panel Predicted Q-CTS748 is downstream of the panel root. This panel may be applicable if it tests subclades below Q-CTS748. Please verify and check with YSEQ customer support.


Next best prediction (scored 123 compared to 125) Q-M925

Your haplogroup seems to be Q-CTS748, common clade in Mexico and El Salvador, https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-CTS748/ could be of mayan extension, but i am not that sure, i have to read more about it. Very curious, you actually had luck because like i said, is not that common scoring Q in Y-DNA for Mexico, only in countries like Bolivia or Paraguay is a bit common.

[Mingle]

R1a-Z93 in Europe only make sense with Scynthians, but seems to be that Z2124 is the european clade inside Z94 (this clade is the only non-euro clade in Z93). This is complex!What about Gypsies? I don't see why all eastern clades have to be from Scythians when Gypsies have been much more numerous than Scythians were across Europe.

I'm not saying it's from Gypsies anyway, it might be from Scythians. I was just bringing up the possibility cause I didn't see anyone mention it.

[Mingle]

Double

[Rocinante]

What about Gypsies? I don't see why all eastern clades have to be from Scythians when Gypsies have been much more numerous than Scythians were across Europe.

I'm not saying it's from Gypsies anyway, it might be from Scythians. I was just bringing up the possibility cause I didn't see anyone mention it.

It is said by many websites that Z93 is common among gypsies too, so could be, from India to Europe.

[Leto]

It is said by many websites that Z93 is common among gypsies too, so could be, from India to Europe.
It is not really common among them. Prolly even less common than among Jews.

[Leto]

I just barely uploaded today haven't got my results yet
It's normally available within a matter of minutes. I would recommend Dodecad World9 and MDLP World for starters.

[Rocinante]

It is not really common among them. Prolly even less common than among Jews.

In gypsies you mean? That is what some websites says, i am not sure of course, but it is very common in South Asia for sure.

[Leto]

In gypsies you mean? That is what some websites says, i am not sure of course, but it is very common in South Asia for sure.
Yeah, them. Gypsies are the descendants of some shit-tier Indians with very little Steppe ancestry, so they're mainly H.

[Mingle]

It is not really common among them. Prolly even less common than among Jews.R-Z93 is pretty rare in Europe to begin with. In the case of most West Euros, it's probably much more likely to be either Jewish or Gypsy than Scythian.

[hmaohma78]

It's normally available within a matter of minutes. I would recommend Dodecad World9 and MDLP World for starters.

https://i.imgur.com/7MpsG66.png
https://i.imgur.com/nSj1Xdj.png
https://i.imgur.com/HfbMlWP.png