I remember, and sole Anglo-Saxon sample was I1.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dick
Don't show it to Rethel :thumb001:
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I remember, and sole Anglo-Saxon sample was I1.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dick
Don't show it to Rethel :thumb001:
neo-Cuman-Turkic conspiracy? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Stears
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Originally Posted by Vlatko Vukovic
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Originally Posted by Stearsolina
https://youtu.be/LJZIBx1fpUU
Not Scytho-Sarmatian, just Turkic. The Polish researchers claimed Scytho-Sarmatian Slavic connection.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vlatko Vukovic
Plenty of Hungarians come from all over Europe and abroad to Kurultaj. It is is anything but a "Cuman" event. It is hosted by Hungarians, for Hungarians, and our eastern family. Not accepting these basic facts about the Kurultaj and our culture only hurts yourself in the form of desperate denialism. Your own GEDmatch results show how Turkic shifted you are, which makes more sense as well given your claimed family background. Therefore, the irony is you throw away a longstanding and noble culture for a Western ideal that you will never match unless you abandon your Magyar heritage with it. Unless you wish to identify as a sort of "foreign noble" ruling over the Magyar masses (which of course you're not), then it makes no sense to worship at their feet. Nobody is calling you less European for it that isn't a troll.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stears
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Originally Posted by Turul Karom
No, it started as neo-cuman-days, and transformed into a fake Hungarian event, because it is a biggest business than your sub-culture. Do not forget, that your material culture is not similar to the standard Hungarian Central-European culture, but eastern-european balkanite culture. This scientific work always gives you a check-mate: http://tet.rkk.hu/index.php/TeT/article/view/98/195
IGEN , enyhén fogalmazva ELTÉRŐ KULTÚRA VAGYTOK!!!!
The only relationship of cumania with Hungarian culture, that your mixed serbian-romanian-hungarian-albanian folk learned the Hungarian language as lingua franca!!!!! IT is close to zero....
I am sure that they are doing it for business and not for enjoyment. Not a single competitive archer, or Nomad Games participant does it for a love of our culture and heritage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stears
Look at all those CUMAN flags they fly to represent us! I am sure you will see them when you look hard enough for them!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfbSdPwG41M
You claim how isolated the countryside is in this thinking, then as it grows, you ignore it. You ignore contemporary studies, even the ones in this thread, and just post the same tired article full of terms to make the countryside and folk artistry look petty. Adopting this "aristocratic air" is nice but you should be aware that you are a Hungarian, and there is no reason to hate the foundation of your culture. Sadly, and this is honestly a sad moment, you dislike your own calculator and K11 Turkic results. I think you have more interest in being somebody regal than your founding heritage... and that's ok. But you need to appreciate your ancestry. Even your fiancée seems to appreciate it and acknowledges it publicly. I remember you saying you were proud of sharing genetics with the Magyar founding peoples...
Both is incorrect, since 0 Scythians who are tested were M458. So based on what they are Scythians? About Turkic, there is only in Karachay-Balkars, and nowhere else in whole Turkic world. Klyosov claims that Z280 and M458 formed the proto-Slavs. But for such general statement, we have to wait for ancient DNA sample.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kipchak Håkan
The scytho-sarmats have very few things in common with Turks genetically,they did invade them just as they invaded Europe but they got quickly assimilated unlike in Europe who is half their ydna, and turks have been invaded by dozens of foreigners since then who turned them into mongrels.
I already mentioned the Nogai to you. The Bashkirs also have some negligible amounts. Theres also been no proto-slavic graves remains with M458 either. Only Z280 has been found. So your claim is just as flimsy without aDNA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vlatko Vukovic
Z280 was found among proto-Slavs ? I didn't know any proto Slavic graves were sampled!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dibran
As i said, man, KLYOSOV is claiming that, not me. And the Kipchak Hakan supports Klyosov.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dibran
And how they could be if proto-Slavic urhemeit was never marked? Some people say it's Zarubintsy culture, some say it's Chernyakov culture, some say it's Przeworsk, and also some say (as Klyosov) that even Fatyanovo culture is proto-Slavic. So the question for Dibran would be: from which culture is founded Z280 about he speaks ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stearsolina
I meant Balto-Slavic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stearsolina
See Above. Anyway we are not specifically speaking about Proto-Slavs. But, about M458 aDNA which there is none. Yet, you speak as if M458 is already known. Modern distributions are not representations of aDNA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vlatko Vukovic
"The origins of the Slavs go back to circa 3500 BCE with the northern Yamna culture and its expansion across Central and Northeast Europe with the Corded Ware culture. The M458 and Z280 lineages spread around Poland, Belarus, Ukraine and western Russia, and would form the core of the Proto-Balto-Slavic culture. The high prevalence of R1a in Baltic and Slavic countries nowadays is not only due to the Corded Ware expansion, but also to a long succession of later migrations from Russia, the last of which took place from the 5th to the 10th century CE. The Slavic branch differentiated itself when the Corded Ware culture absorbed the Cucuteni-Tripolye culture (5200-2600 BCE) of western Ukraine and north-eastern Romania, which appears to have been composed primarily of G2a-U1 et I2a1b-M423 lineages descended directly from Paleolithic Europeans, with some other Near-Eastern farmer lineages (notably E-V13, J2a and T1a). It is surely during this period that I2a2, E-V13 and T spread (along with R1a) around Poland, Belarus and western Russia, explaining why eastern and northern Slavs (and Lithuanians) have between 10 and 20% of I2a1b lineages and about 10% of Middle Eastern lineages (18% for Ukrainians).
The Corded Ware period was followed in the steppes by the Srubna culture (1800-1200 BCE), and around Poland by the Trzciniec culture (1700-1200 BCE).
The last important Slavic migration is thought to have happened in the 6th century CE, from Ukraine to Poland, Slovakia and Slovenia, filling the vacuum left by eastern Germanic tribes who invaded the Roman Empire. Both the M458 and the Z280 branches are associated with this late Slavic migration, but more particularly Z280."
I am happy i am not R1A/R1B , what a clusterfuck. :laugh::laugh:
Wheres the aDNA? Oh we don't have any yet? Then one theory is as good as the next, until some actual aDNA surfaces.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vlatko Vukovic
Władke,
Dibran is here absoluty right.
Why?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stearsolina
Because I1 Anglo-Saxon conquer Roman R1b :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Rethel
But they were slaves and gladiators, they could be at least partially of Germanic origin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dick
R1ethel hates I1-men, he's just jealous that we are more manly than him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stearsolina
One guy?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stearsolina
Btw, even if it would be a majority, they still would act as not them.
Just for the recod, Anglosaxons are one of the most denst R1 folks in
the World, on the level of Poles; Danes are up to almost 60% and the
Saxons - 60% R1, plus - if it matters - Dutch are up to 3/4 R1 and the
Frisians over 63%. So, can you explain me, how your IE-looking and an
IE-speaking I1's IE-germanowannabeism works, becasue I can't get it?
By your methodology, R1 totaly does not exist, and everything is a work
of non-R1 subjugated people or even tiny non-R1 minority... It just does
not have any basic sense. Just wishfull thinking. Basques are up to 90%
R1 - but did you see any R1 to claim basqueness per se?
Please, don't input on me words and opinions which I didn;t say neither have.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobby Martnen
It is interesting, what you - and your kinsmen - are saying, as it shows your
own way of perception, as everybody judges according to himself. So you
guys, either hate yourself, either us. Tertium non datur.
And who is saying it... :rolleyes:Quote:
he's just jealous that we are more manly than him.
=> https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post4997213 :picard1:
I asked a Hungarian outside this forum about Kurultaj. He said that only people from the 'Turan cringesphere' go there, and that they make up at most 1% of the population.Quote:
Originally Posted by Turul Karom
By the way, do you acknowledge that Hungarians have genetics typical for Central Europe and aren't any more genetically Turkic than their neighbors? It's true that Hungarians score a tiny bit of East Eurasian but so do all your neighbors.
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Cringe? Considering over 200,000 people attend it, how could some not be odd in the mix? What group of even 100 people wouldn't have someone who is a bit odd? Look at this website in general, lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mingle
The idea of "cringe" is something I don't care one way or the other about; I guess the Nomad games are nothing special too then? Seems pretty popular to me:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfbSdPwG41M
As for your genetic question, I've always been ideologically consistent with this. Many times, I have stated that we are very influenced by our neighbors and not a surprise to see how the majority Hungarians genetically cluster in Europe today. Here is a post from even a year ago:
Of course I will answer honestly, friend. I identify easily European. It is a common sense identity; even in a geographical sense, Hungary is certainly not the closest European country to Asia. However, what I would like to point out to you, is the logical fallacies of the notion that one cannot have a"Turanian" mindset and be European at the same time. These identities overlap, and are not mutually exclusive. I would like to point out the Anatolian Turks today, and their own physical appearances and diverse haplogroups, at ranges even wider than found in Hungary. Does this change the ethnogenesis of their culture and their people? Not at all. I would like to reiterate this paragraph for you: "I'll never understand why so many people believe that turkic peoples need to look as if they're 100% east Asian. Not only is it somewhat racist in a laughably ignorant way, it ignores the natural genetic drift of nomadic peoples over time. Are the Germans of 2000 years ago the same "Germans" of today? Of course not. But are they somehow expected to hold the same legacy? Depends on who you ask."
Being absorbed fully into the meta-identity of "Central European" is no different than being succumbing into the identity of "Ottoman", or "Hapsburg", or "Soviet" that our ancestors resisted for centuries. I do not conflate being Hungarian with being Ugyhur, Kazar, Turkmen or Turkish. Nor is being Hungarian French, German, or Scandinavian, however it seems our cosmopolitan friends would occasionally take exception to the truthful exclusion. I am Magyar, and there is a bridge between east and west that is only waiting to be properly fulfilled by Hungary. That's a key pillar of importance of Turanism in the 21st century.
There is no need to shun our pre-settlement past that brought us into existence as an ethnicity in the first place. Western and Eastern sources, modern and ancient, cite the importance Turkic peoples played in our ethnogenesis. As we celebrate this steppe culture, we celebrate the uniqueness of Hungary and the greater Turkic world at large in a fraternal and fun way.
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Originally Posted by Turul Karom
In the K11, I was 60% nigger subsaharan. Who take it seriously? These people liguistically genetically anthropologically culturally not related to Hungarians. Hungary has no such traditions. Do you know the meaning of the word "tradition"? Its most important ingredient is the continuity. Even your own hero, the slavo-germanic mixature looking inventor Lajos Kassai recognized in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kzczBq8KCQ, that horse archery is not a tradition in Hungary.
This is the magic link for the escape of turulka: http://tet.rkk.hu/index.php/TeT/article/view/98/195Quote:
Originally Posted by Turul Karom
He always flees to circumlocutium (MELLÉBESZÉLÉS) when he sees it.......
Such thing disturb you people, but fictional millions of years, talkingQuote:
Originally Posted by Stears
monkeys and pervertism around don't... interesting... just rethorical.
You were certainly not 60% SSA lol. You posted the results and stated your pride.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stears
Basarab dynasty, also I2a.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dick
Isn't there speculation that the Basarb Dynasty was E-V13 or J2a/J2b2?Quote:
Originally Posted by Grishnack
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Originally Posted by Grishnack
Bassarab was your Turkic cuman overlord with turkic haplogroup.
Again a circumlocution. Please answer to the Lajos Kassai video and the lack of horse archery tradition in Hungary.Quote:
Originally Posted by Turul Karom
Bassarab (turkic languages little father) was the wallachian state founder cuman turkic overlord.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kelmendasi
Going by sources I have seen it is more probable that he was a VlachQuote:
Originally Posted by Stears
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Originally Posted by Kelmendasi
He lived in Vallachia of course, he was Vallachian in this sense. He created a country for his late nomadic vlach subjects.
Read books about it:
https://www.google.com/search?q=basa...w=1920&bih=963
Your results show that you are Armenoid. Your nomadic ancestors must've traveled quite a distance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stears