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http://macure.net/Content/Images/Gen...ENES_2-K15.jpg
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Is there any known Serb with 21 percent West or East Med?
I know one with 19.78% West Med. He score same West Med and North Atlantic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Here's a Bosnian Serb with 20 West Med: T267799Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
It's also a common ocurrence among people with roots from Montenegro.
Yeah, but I obviously meant OVER 20 percent. 21 and higher.
I still don't understand why do I have such low NA?
What could be the explanation, because vast majority of both Serbs and Croatians have much higher NA than me and a couple of people you have posted here.
Also, what is the explanation of high west med?
Croatians who are Italian admixed ofren score higher NA than Baltic. So, even Italian influence has no sense for your low NA score. Plus, Italian admixed Croatians score significant lower Baltic than you.Quote:
Originally Posted by knez01
I know, that's what I am sayingQuote:
Originally Posted by Pribislav
His Italian is from southern Italy, so both west and east med and red sea should be elevated. But it's quite unusual how his Baltic score remained that high.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pribislav
Almost looks like a very Slavic Croat with Sardinian shift, they score tons of west med.
Serb with very similar K13 as his is a full Serb.Quote:
Originally Posted by Est.1992
I am quite certain I am partially southern Italian, my Zadar side of the family has Croatized Italian surnamesQuote:
Originally Posted by Pribislav
Also, even though I am, it's believe it is quite minimal and aren't Southern Italians quite east mediterranean oriented?
It is rare over 20%.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
I got 18.56% WestMed and that is above our average.
Yes, they are https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...Dmatch-resultsQuote:
Originally Posted by knez01
How many generatianos ago do those surnames start and are they on both sides on your family?Quote:
Originally Posted by knez01
But 20-21% East_Med is ok in Crna Gora, isn't it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dušan
Your Baltic remained high because Genetics work in a way, that you inherit random attributes of your parents. Your DNA only rarely ever will be a 50/50 mixture but a combination of also your Grandparents DNA.Quote:
Originally Posted by knez01
Montenegrin from Kuči tribe Attachment 96460Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Among Serbs it is less than 20%, like westMed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Maybe in Montenegro is a bit higher.
Some are from early 1700s, while some are even olderQuote:
Originally Posted by CommonSense
My mothers surname comes from a Dalmatian island at it was recorded in early 1600s but they migrated to Zadar and then the village my mother is from, they mixed with the locals who have extremely uncommon surnames for Dalmatia
They are more common in Croatian Zagorje and Ukraine/Slovakia than in Croatia in general, if you heard them first thing, you would think they were from Ukraine
That is too far to show in your Gedmatch results. Since you do have elevated West Med I think Zadar locals are somewhat collectively mixed with Italians. Idk, hard to tell anything.
I guess you're right, pretty much anything is a far stretch, I guess I am just a Dalmatian with high west mediterraneanQuote:
Originally Posted by Insuperable
Exactly. This man, also from Zadar, has quite peculiar results, opposite of kne01 basically. Never seen anything like it:Quote:
Originally Posted by Insuperable
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...dmatch-results
You'd think he was half North Italian, but all the surnames he listed seem to be local and unique to that county.
Odd, despite having higher baltic than him, I still have higher west med and he has higher east medQuote:
Originally Posted by CommonSense
Also, if that guy is partially North Italian, he should have more west med than me, right?
Here is my K15, i put it on the K15 map and i am on the Serbian dot, even though my Baltic is way over Serbian average and even Croatian average.
I also put it in vahaduo for updated populations and this is what i got, I am such an odd mix, even with the the closest population combination is 6.3 distance.
https://imgur.com/a/GJEwl5K
your low west euro admixtures are pulling you south on the k15 map. you would need both high east and west euro components to pull you north.Quote:
Originally Posted by knez01
Yes I know, but other that, I've noticed that I plot quite normally for Zadar on that k15 map, despite my baltic being way off along with west components.Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
your non-Slavic part is very neolithic, pre-indo-european, similar to Sardinians. i don't think there are any Abruzzans like this, and it's common in the Balkans, so i would guess this high west med is because of paleo-Balkan influence, maybe you would be even more neolithic if you didn't have Abruzzan ancestry.Quote:
Originally Posted by knez01
but i didn't look much at Italian results. you should research what kind of results can Abruzzans get, maybe there are some like this, it's a big region.
PCAs aren't very precise, it's just a rough positioning. it's better for comparing groups than individuals.Quote:
Originally Posted by knez01
>20% West med is common in Montenegro as CommonSense said, and i've seen 2 Kosovo Serbs with >20% east med. I think this is a trace of the Illyrian vs. Thracian genetic difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Enough with spending Serbian results on thread for Balkanites (South Slavs & neighbours), it's time to continue here.
Krajina Serb, surname Martić
#Population percent
1 Baltic 30.49
2 North_Atlantic 26.62
3 West_Med 16.89
4 East_Med 12.48
5 West_Asian 11.07
6 South_Asian 1.71
7 Red_Sea 0.58
8 Amerindian 0.17
#Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 4.78
2 Serbian 4.79
3 Croatian 6.76
4 Hungarian 7.54
5 Romanian 7.68
6 Bulgarian 9.94
7 Austrian 10.71
8 East_German 11.75
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 13.26
10 South_Polish 13.77
11 Ukrainian 14.49
12 West_German 16.92
13 Polish 17.4
14 Southwest_Russian 18.12
15 Ukrainian_Belgorod 18.16
16 South_Dutch 18.37
17 Greek_Thessaly 18.52
18 French 19.13
19 Russian_Smolensk 19.66
20 North_Italian 20.22
Mixed Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source)
1 53.7% Croatian + 46.3% Romanian @ 2.65
2 79.6% Croatian + 20.4% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.71
3 83.7% Moldavian + 16.3% North_Italian @ 2.75
4 82.9% Croatian + 17.1% South_Italian @ 2.94
5 65.5% Romanian + 34.5% South_Polish @ 2.94
6 51.2% Moldavian + 48.8% Serbian @ 2.96
7 80.6% Croatian + 19.4% Central_Greek @ 2.98
8 61% Croatian + 39% Bulgarian @ 3
9 70.8% Romanian + 29.2% Polish @ 3.02
10 85.6% Moldavian + 14.4% Tuscan @ 3.02
11 66.8% Romanian + 33.2% Ukrainian @ 3.04
12 87.5% Moldavian + 12.5% Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.06
13 64.7% Romanian + 35.3% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.08
14 87.2% Moldavian + 13.8% Spanish_Valencia @ 3.1
15 65.9% Moldavian + 34.1% Romanian @ 3.1
16 75.3% Croatian + 24.7% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.12
17 81.1% Croatian + 18.9% West_Sicilian @ 3.13
18 86.5% Moldavian + 13.5% Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.14
19 78.7% Croatian + 21.3% Tuscan @ 3.19
20 87.9% Moldavian + 12.1 % Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3.2
Serbian woman from Bosanska Krajina , from Kozara area https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kozara
Admix Results (sorted):
#Population percent
1 Baltic 34.4
2 North_Atlantic 25.22
3 West_Med 14.2
4 East_Med 14.07
5 West_Asian 6.57
6 Red_Sea 2.75
7 Amerindian 1.53
8 Siberian 0.65
9 East_Asian 0.45
10 Oceanian 0.18
Single Population Sharing:
#Population (source) Distance:
1 Moldavian 4.82
2 Croatian 5.08
3 Serbian 7.42
4 Hungarian 7.81
5 Ukrainian_Lviv 10.55
6 Romanian 10.68
7 South_Polish 11.39
8 Ukrainian 11.6
9 Bulgarian 12.41
10 Austrian 12.43
11 East_German 12.81
12 Southwest_Russian 14.52
13 Polish 14.54
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 15.06
15 Russian_Smolensk 16.35
16 Estonian_Polish 16.63
17 Belorussian 17.2
18 Kargopol_Russian 18.86
19 West_German 19.55
20 Southwest_Finnish 19.96
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 67.3% Polish + 32.7% Ashkenazi @ 1.99
2 63.3% Estonian_Polish + 36.7% West_Sicilian @ 2.01
3 76.3% Ukrainian + 23.7% Italian_Jewish @ 2.04
4 54.9% Belorussian + 45.1% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.05
5 56.7% Lithuanian + 43.3% West_Sicilian @ 2.09
6 55.7% Estonian_Polish @ 44.3% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.13
7 72.2% Ukrainian + 27.8% Ashkenazi @ 2.18
8 66.1% Estonian_Polish + 33.9% South_Italian @ 2.21
9 72% Polish + 28% Italian_Jewish @ 2.21
10 71.9% Polish + 28.1% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.27
11 76.5% Ukrainian + 23.5% Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.29
12 65.4% Belorussian + 34.6% South_Italian @ 2.37
13 77.9% Ukrainian + 22.1% Tunisian_Jewish @ 2.37
14 76.4% Uktainian + 23.6% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.38
15 51.1% Greek_Thessaly + 48.9% Lithuanian @ 2.4
16 62.5% Belorussian + 37.5% West_Sicilian @ 2.43
17 63.8% Russian_Smolensk + 36.2% West_Sicilian @ 2.5
18 50.6% Greek_Thessaly + 49.4% Estonian @ 2.5
19 62.4% Estonian_Polish + 37.6% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.51
20 92.7% Croatian + 7.3% Yemenite_Jewish @ 2.52
Redirected from South Slavic topic.
My close matches from Gedmetch
https://i.imgur.com/OPiLOvn.jpg
Red dot is average, green dot is me.
https://i.imgur.com/qntHeSe.png
Her K12b dodecad (for Leto :)).Quote:
Originally Posted by Pribislav
Gedrosia 3.43 Pct
Siberian 0.75 Pct
Northwest_African 1.12 Pct
Southeast_Asian 1.18 Pct
Atlantic_Med 25.78 Pct
North_European 43.92 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 4.07 Pct
Caucasus 19.76 Pct
Sub-Saharan -
On Dodecad most Serbs and Croats don't differ much. Some differences here and there.
I know a Serb who score 29.09% Baltic and 26.56% North_Atlantic on K13, and on K12b dodecad he got 42.7% North_European.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
I wonder how is that possible? According to hid K13 I would expect max 40% NE on K12b...
Some West Med from K13 also goes into the NE on Dodecad. Feiichy's family is between 42 and 44%, I believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pribislav
joanna (half Greek half Russian) is 41.7 percent.
Little mistake, he score 42.17% NE on K12b.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Here is that Serb.
K13
1 Baltic 29.09
2 North_Atlantic 26.56
3 West_Med 17.59
4 East_Med 12.04
5 West_Asian 9.32
6 Amerindian 1.83
7 Red_Sea 1.34
8 East_Asian 1.29
9 Northeast_African 0.54
10 Oceanian 0.24
11 Siberian 0.16
K12b
1 North_European 42.17
2 Atlantic_Med 25.86
3 Caucasus 21.47
4 Southwest_Asian 5.38
5 Gedrosia 3.04
6 East_African 0.94
7 Southeast_Asian 0.88
8 Siberian 0.26
Grulović is liitle down on vtbnekhio's post marked as Dalmatia, you have few Lika Serbs there as well https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post6549936Quote:
Originally Posted by Dušan
Milković and his 4 close relatives are posted by CS here https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post5698224
This is K13 and kit of Neđeljko Zubović from Koreničko Vrelo, he is tested on y dna via SDP (you can check on tabele, he is I2-PH908) Attachment 97155
^^
They are also Krajina Serbs.
Added
Krajina Serbs - 28 samples
North_Atlantic 24.71
Baltic 31.76
West_Med 16.79
West_Asian 8.22
East_Med 14.62
Red_Sea 1.55
South_Asian 0.43
East_Asian 0.22
Sinerian 0.81
Amerindian 0.56
Oceanian 0.38
N-E_African 0.03
Sub-Saharan 0.03
https://i.imgur.com/5shGoQ4.jpg
Nice, 28 is solid sample. :thumb001:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dušan
One question.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dušan
Why there is no Celto-Germanic at all? Hungary Lion and Togaja score solid Celto-Germanic, and your match Đurić and Vukojević, and Zubović and some others score little.