Ukrainian academic regional k13 results - more than 100

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Originally Posted by Peterski

Yes, this array.zip version is crap. You should delete it from GEDmatch, lol.

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yeah, they probably won't get proper matches either. could you upload EG600019 and EG600093 to gedmatch? or send them to me in the "gedmatch friendly" fromat.

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Originally Posted by Peterski

Ukraine Kiev samples in K13:

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Kiev1,25.90,43.89,11.21,6.22,9.75,1.23,0,0,0,0.45,0.76,0,0.60
Kiev2,24.96,43.94,10.33,3.70,9.55,4.60,0,1.88,0.38,0.66,0,0,0
Kiev3,23.77,49.06,9.75,9.69,3.57,0,0.42,0.72,2.11,0.01,0.78,0.12,0
Kiev4,27.38,48.11,6.10,8.34,4.55,0.07,0,0,3.24,1.25,0,0.96,0
Kiev5,26.12,45.57,11.25,6.45,5.25,2.80,0,0,0.59,0,0.20,0.63,1.14
Kiev6,28.24,45.91,9.33,6.24,4.44,0.37,2.48,0.59,0,1.33,0.32,0,0.75
Kiev7,24.76,46.18,9.87,5.59,5.87,0,1.66,0,3.45,1.54,0.97,0.11,0
Kiev8,25.76,47.13,8.90,6.63,4.48,3.13,0.86,0.75,2.21,0,0,0.14,0
Kiev9,27.26,48.08,8.13,5.86,7.37,0.35,0.43,0,0.66,0.54,1.31,0,0
Kiev10,26.62,46.05,10.63,7.83,2.95,0,1.69,0,0.71,0.66,1.94,0,0.91
Kiev11,30.66,39.21,9.84,6.72,6.55,0.03,0.89,0,3.59,1.13,0.66,0,0.72
Kiev12,27.57,41.15,11.52,5.94,7.44,1.92,1.00,0,1.92,0.60,0.72,0,0.21
Kiev13,20.27,48.74,12.57,5.24,7.98,1.76,0.26,0,1.10,1.67,0.41,0,0
Kiev14,24.60,49.59,10.17,5.69,4.01,1.18,1.62,0,0,2.20,0,0,0.95
Kiev15,27.54,42.91,10.90,3.83,10.66,0,0,1.78,1.10,0.39,0,0,0.89
Kiev16,25.40,48.89,11.12,4.27,6.78,0,0,0,2.00,0,0.71,0,0.84
Kiev17,25.55,44.10,10.38,6.00,8.04,2.03,1.35,0.93,1.63,0,0,0,0
Kiev18,25.38,47.01,10.20,6.63,6.37,2.01,0.05,0,1.02,0.69,0.18,0.46,0
Kiev19,22.98,47.96,8.16,7.58,8.57,0.13,1.97,0.02,2.38,0,0.24,0,0
Kiev20,25.89,48.78,8.33,6.13,4.61,1.78,2.01,0,0.37,1.65,0,0,0.44
Kiev21,28.71,44.44,11.73,6.36,5.11,0,1.07,0.64,0,0.74,0.74,0.19,0.27
Kiev22,24.93,45.25,12.96,4.40,6.87,1.28,0.46,0.76,0,1.85,0,0.35,0.90
Kiev23,27.85,38.47,15.23,4.14,8.27,1.41,1.72,0,1.28,0.29,1.29,0.03,0
Kiev24,29.73,43.76,12.04,3.33,4.41,1.25,1.88,0.05,1.66,0.57,1.23,0.09,0
Kiev25,15.10,46.29,8.45,8.68,2.46,1.15,0.66,0.75,13.71,1.53,0.01,0,1.21
Kiev26,23.57,37.18,7.85,20.02,4.47,1.15,1.88,0,2.47,0,0.20,0.66,0.56
Kiev27,26.13,40.35,10.92,7.13,11.15,0.60,1.89,0,0.68,0.30,0.29,0.56,0

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Can you also post Belarussians from Minsk in K-13?

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Originally Posted by smd555

Can you also post Belarussians from Minsk in K-13?

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I've been waiting on that for quite some time but I think he will :)

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

Notice the low West Med, and the high-ish West Asian. I think Caucasus admixture is what can pull an Ukrainian to score like this.



Distance: 3.4398% / 3.43975854
Target: o_Ukraine_Luhansk:Lugansk_EG600093
69.3 Ukraine_Donetska
30.7 Armenian
0.0 North_Ossetian
0.0 Ossetian

I very much doubt that a Serb village would have survived unadmixed there. We have stories and video documentaries about Moldovan villages and they are heavily admixed as stated from their own mouths.

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Hmm, another similar one from that region...

North_Atlantic	20.83 Pct
Baltic	34.69 Pct
West_Med	10.03 Pct
West_Asian	14.24 Pct
East_Med	13.21 Pct
Red_Sea	3.81 Pct
South_Asian	1.47 Pct
East_Asian	-
Siberian	0.75 Pct
Amerindian	-
Oceanian	0.94 Pct
Northeast_African	-
Sub-Saharan	-

M906143

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

Hmm, another similar one from that region...

North_Atlantic	20.83 Pct
Baltic	34.69 Pct
West_Med	10.03 Pct
West_Asian	14.24 Pct
East_Med	13.21 Pct
Red_Sea	3.81 Pct
South_Asian	1.47 Pct
East_Asian	-
Siberian	0.75 Pct
Amerindian	-
Oceanian	0.94 Pct
Northeast_African	-
Sub-Saharan	-

M906143

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Grandparent

North_Atlantic	15.03 Pct
Baltic	27.69 Pct
West_Med	15.95 Pct
West_Asian	10.28 Pct
East_Med	23.58 Pct
Red_Sea	5.16 Pct
South_Asian	-
East_Asian	0.61 Pct
Siberian	1.03 Pct
Amerindian	0.06 Pct
Oceanian	0.46 Pct
Northeast_African	0.15 Pct
Sub-Saharan	-

M132650

I verified the matches and there is a founder effect that is typical of Jewish ancestry for the gandparent. So the grandparent looks half Jewish or more autosomally and the nephew 1/8 or more.

This means that for these guys from below that were discussed earlier in the thread, the situation could be the same and the distortion is due to Jewish admixture. The distinguishing factor uniting all 3 is low NA compared to Baltic, significantly lower West Med when compared to West Asian and East Med, and West Asian and East Med values that have similar percentages.

o_Ukraine_Luhansk:Lugansk_EG600093,21.22,30.61,10. 26,13.11,16.73,1.18,3.00,0.01,2.06,0.37,0.52,0.21, 0.73
o_Ukraine_Zaporizka:r1a2b,19.89,33.73,9.27,17.00,1 4.19,1.14,2.42,0.00,0.00,1.31,0.00,1.07,0.00

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

Grandparent

North_Atlantic	15.03 Pct
Baltic	27.69 Pct
West_Med	15.95 Pct
West_Asian	10.28 Pct
East_Med	23.58 Pct
Red_Sea	5.16 Pct
South_Asian	-
East_Asian	0.61 Pct
Siberian	1.03 Pct
Amerindian	0.06 Pct
Oceanian	0.46 Pct
Northeast_African	0.15 Pct
Sub-Saharan	-

M132650

I verified the matches and there is a founder effect for matches that is typical of Jewish ancestry for the gandparent. So the grandparent looks half Jewish or something like that.

This means that for these guys from below that were discussed earlier in the thread, the situation could be the same and the distortion is due to Jewish admixture.

o_Ukraine_Luhansk:Lugansk_EG600093,21.22,30.61,10. 26,13.11,16.73,1.18,3.00,0.01,2.06,0.37,0.52,0.21, 0.73
o_Ukraine_Zaporizka:r1a2b,19.89,33.73,9.27,17.00,1 4.19,1.14,2.42,0.00,0.00,1.31,0.00,1.07,0.00

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EG600093 is Jewish admixed for sure. His matches are still loading so I won't post them yet, but it's mostly Jews.
There are just 2 Croats and 2 Serbs from 4.6-5.2 generations which means 200-300 years ago, so it would fit with that Serb settlement.

The more northern plotting Jews are identical to south Italians or Greeks, combine it with some Ukrainian, and you get a south Slavic-like mixture.

the one from Zaporozhie looks specifficaly Ukrainian + Caucasian or Anatolian. I don't think Jewish ancestry can be like that. Ashkenazi Jewish at least.

you can check his matches:
ZU7033837 Cossacks_Zaporozhie_r1a2b

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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

the one from Zaporozhie looks specifficaly Ukrainian + Caucasian or Anatolian. I don't think Jewish ancestry can be like that. Ashkenazi Jewish at least.

you can check his matches:
ZU7033837 Cossacks_Zaporozhie_r1a2b

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There is a Goldberg in top 50 and they have Jewish matches in common. But I agree that if they have Jewish ancestry, then it is very distant, like 1/64+.

https://i.ibb.co/hDRvcPj/image.png

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Originally Posted by Aspirin

Ok, so nothing new from this region, except the heavily mongoloid person. Nice.

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Originally Posted by Alenka

Yep, I know. If you check that out please let us know what you find.
Kinda curious if I guessed right.
:p

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They finished matching.

MW9108673 Lugansk - mostly matches Jews.
YT1935093 Chernivtsi - West/East Slavs, Balts, Hungarians, a couple of Spanish strong matches.

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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

They finished matching.

MW9108673 Lugansk - mostly matches Jews.
YT1935093 Chernivtsi - West/East Slavs, Balts, Hungarians, a couple of Spanish strong matches.

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Spanish matches can mean Sephardic Jewish ancestry

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Originally Posted by Peterski

Yes, this array.zip version is crap. You should delete it from GEDmatch, lol.

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the Plink version got matches with decent overlap.

and your .vcf version got detected as less then 2000 snps and now doesn't work anymore :noidea: