updatedQuote:
Originally Posted by CommonSense
Serb_Serbia_Shopluk,23.50,27.64,18.07,9.25,17.09,1 .63,0.65,0.12,1.05,0.38,0.47,0.23,0.10
Serb_Croatia_Dalmatia,25.49,29.53,16.66,8.89,15.69 ,1.15,0.67,0.19,0.73,0.56,0.34,0.08,0.04
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updatedQuote:
Originally Posted by CommonSense
Serb_Serbia_Shopluk,23.50,27.64,18.07,9.25,17.09,1 .63,0.65,0.12,1.05,0.38,0.47,0.23,0.10
Serb_Croatia_Dalmatia,25.49,29.53,16.66,8.89,15.69 ,1.15,0.67,0.19,0.73,0.56,0.34,0.08,0.04
Ok someone can post avereages for adding to K13, K15 Vahaduo?
they are on page 55, + the Serbian average on 56 and the updates on this pageQuote:
Originally Posted by Lukasz
On page 55 still stay average for Dalmatian Serbs on 10 samples without Grulović, Aye's dad and Macura, change in new one on 13 samples.Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
the East Bosnians i have are "Slavic-Moldavian" shifted, that's why you get it. but on a larger sample i'm sure more southern ones will appear and the East Bosnian average will end up very similar to othes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dušan
what do you think, would it be better to make averages by genetic groupings rather than geographic?
I am not sure, both ideas are good. I would keep geographic regions, but make regions larger.
Banija, Kordun, Lika, Dalmatia and Bosanska Krajina are one region by origin of their Serb population.
But on the other hand, there are lot of people whose origin are from different region - one grandpa from Lika, other from Šumadija, one grandma from Vojvodina, other grandma from east Bosnia etc.
How to place them?
Serbs with ancestors from different regions should be only calculated in general Serbian average, not in any regional.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dušan
that's what i did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pribislav
How about this, a little bit experimental:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dušan
4 averages based on 4 corners of the Serbian cluster which all Serbs can be shown as a mixture of. each is based on only 2 samples.
the average of these 4, from 8 samples:Code:Montenegrin_Coast,27.26,21.22,20.05,10.52,17.58,1.13,0.12,0.23,0.70,0.86,0.04,0.03,0.26
Serbia_far_south,18.98,26.35,19.20,10.89,20.90,1.70,0.44,0.00,0.87,0.10,0.59,0.00,0.01
Serb_Slavic_shifted,22.26,35.21,16.26,10.29,12.67,1.43,0.14,0.59,0.84,0.00,0.34,0.00,0.00
Serb_Germanic_shifted,29.17,31.95,15.68,6.42,11.22,2.66,0.88,1.08,0.01,0.60,0.35,0.00,0.00
it's very similar to the academic Belgrade average, and my Serbian average from more than 200 samples.Code:Serb,24.41,28.68,17.80,9.53,15.59,1.73,0.39,0.47,0.60,0.39,0.33,0.01,0.07
i based this on this PCA:
https://i.imgur.com/Z5UA9fz.png
i cut of some of the more Germanic samples, i don't have any info about them, i doubt they are full Serbs.
i think this way the entire Serbian range is captured.
averaging out Serbs by large geographic regions with a proper sample just results in a dozen identical averages.
@Dušan
k15 and k36 values if you want to do the Tolan tools for them:
Serb Montenegrin_Coast Serbia_far_south Serb_Slavic_shifted Serb_Germanic_shifted 17.91 17.13 18.40 16.33 19.79 13.92 18.35 7.78 11.57 18.00 19.29 16.38 15.99 23.94 20.87 11.05 5.51 10.55 15.56 12.59 13.73 15.16 16.21 12.17 11.39 9.19 10.56 10.94 9.55 5.71 12.25 14.34 17.91 9.42 7.34 1.63 1.14 1.47 1.14 2.78 0.24 0.00 0.16 0.00 0.80 0.13 0.00 0.00 0.08 0.43 0.20 0.55 0.15 0.09 0.00 0.20 0.61 0.00 0.00 0.19 0.20 0.00 0.47 0.18 0.16 0.05 0.18 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.03 0.11 0.00 0.00 0.00 Serb Montenegrin_Coast Serbia_far_south Serb_Slavic_shifted Serb_Germanic_shifted 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.12 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.47 2.46 3.24 3.80 2.18 0.65 1.00 1.71 0.00 1.64 0.64 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 6.48 4.85 5.94 7.75 7.39 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 9.93 12.52 9.33 11.52 6.34 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.66 11.57 10.10 17.66 15.34 6.14 6.49 11.54 3.95 2.57 8.30 3.62 8.48 10.28 10.83 3.69 0.35 3.04 6.32 5.05 3.61 4.40 3.90 2.94 3.21 7.90 11.91 5.37 4.28 10.05 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 14.04 14.69 15.96 11.95 13.57 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 1.68 3.01 2.34 0.44 0.96 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 4.42 4.86 0.00 1.92 10.90 4.23 3.92 5.31 4.06 3.64 7.18 8.62 6.83 7.97 5.31 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.17 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.67 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.11 0.00 0.45 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 1.14 1.51 1.53 1.42 0.09 3.75 2.78 6.12 3.73 2.38
for Vahaduo
Code:Serb,17.91,13.92,19.29,11.05,13.73,9.19,12.25,1.63,0.24,0.13,0.20,0.20,0.20,0.05,0.03
Montenegrin_Coast,17.13,18.35,16.38,5.51,15.16,10.56,14.34,1.14,0.00,0.00,0.55,0.61,0.00,0.18,0.11
Serbia_far_south,18.40,7.78,15.99,10.55,16.21,10.94,17.91,1.47,0.16,0.00,0.15,0.00,0.47,0.00,0.00
Serb_Slavic_shifted,16.33,11.57,23.94,15.56,12.17,9.55,9.42,1.14,0.00,0.08,0.09,0.00,0.18,0.00,0.00
Serb_Germanic_shifted,19.79,18.00,20.87,12.59,11.39,5.71,7.34,2.78,0.80,0.43,0.00,0.19,0.16,0.00,0.00
Serb,0.00,0.12,2.46,1.00,0.00,6.48,0.00,0.00,9.93,0.00,13.66,6.14,8.30,3.69,3.61,7.90,0.00,14.04,0.00,1.68,0.00,4.42,4.23,7.18,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.17,0.00,0.11,0.00,1.14,3.75
Montenegrin_Coast,0.00,0.00,3.24,1.71,0.00,4.85,0.00,0.00,12.52,0.00,11.57,6.49,3.62,0.35,4.40,11.91,0.00,14.69,0.00,3.01,0.00,4.86,3.92,8.62,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,1.51,2.78
Serbia_far_south,0.00,0.00,3.80,0.00,0.00,5.94,0.00,0.00,9.33,0.00,10.10,11.54,8.48,3.04,3.90,5.37,0.00,15.96,0.00,2.34,0.00,0.00,5.31,6.83,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.45,0.00,1.53,6.12
Serb_Slavic_shifted,0.00,0.00,2.18,1.64,0.00,7.75,0.00,0.00,11.52,0.00,17.66,3.95,10.28,6.32,2.94,4.28,0.00,11.95,0.00,0.44,0.00,1.92,4.06,7.97,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,1.42,3.73
Serb_Germanic_shifted,0.00,0.47,0.65,0.64,0.00,7.39,0.00,0.00,6.34,0.00,15.34,2.57,10.83,5.05,3.21,10.05,0.00,13.57,0.00,0.96,0.00,10.90,3.64,5.31,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.67,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.09,2.38
Well, according to that way, I am closer to overall Romanian average than to South Serbian average. I am not sure is it correct. :confused:
But I got ok mixed mode results.
Target: Dušan
Distance: 1.7295% / 1.72949741 | ADC: 0.25x
86.0 Serb_Slavic_shifted
6.4 Sardinian
3.4 Croatian
2.2 Kargopol_Russian
1.2 Mari
0.8 Ukrainian
Target: Dušan
Distance: 2.4862% / 2.48618358 | ADC: 0.5x
95.8 Serb_Slavic_shifted
3.6 Sardinian
0.6 Serb_Germanic_shifted
Target: Dušan
Distance: 3.5173% / 3.51734151 | ADC: 1x
94.4 Serb_Slavic_shifted
5.6 Serb
it's far south., near the Macedonian border. not Niš or Leskovac.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dušan
Ok, I understand.Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
https://i.imgur.com/GxtMGds.pngQuote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
mine, original eurogenes sheet + these 5 new averages - the old Serbian averageQuote:
Originally Posted by Dušan
it's in R oracle, vahaduo results don't make much sense for me
Code:[,1] [,2]
[1,] "Serb" "5.6826"
[2,] "Serb_Slavic_shifted" "6.6"
[3,] "Moldavian" "7.9285"
[4,] "Serb_Germanic_shifted" "9.1841"
[5,] "Serbia_far_south" "10.1392"
[6,] "Croatian" "10.1675"
[7,] "Romanian" "10.2879"
[8,] "Bulgarian" "11.3652"
[9,] "Montenegrin_Coast" "12.9681"
[10,] "Hungarian" "13.3352"
[11,] "Ukrainian_Lviv" "16.6476"
[12,] "Austrian" "17.3444"
[13,] "Ukrainian" "17.6717"
[14,] "South_Polish" "18.0027"
[15,] "East_German" "18.1251"
[16,] "Greek_Thessaly" "20.288"
[17,] "Southwest_Russian" "21.3518"
[18,] "Polish" "21.5379"
[19,] "Ukrainian_Belgorod" "22.0183"
[20,] "Russian_Smolensk" "23.5086"
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "11.4 % Sardinian + 88.6 % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "3.1232"
[2,] "17.4 % North_Italian + 82.6 % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "4.4587"
[3,] "34.7 % Ukrainian + 65.3 % Serbia_far_south" "4.5333"
[4,] "49.9 % Croatian + 50.1 % Serbia_far_south" "4.6431"
[5,] "15.9 % Tuscan + 84.1 % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "4.6535"
[6,] "13.7 % Spanish_Valencia + 86.3 % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "4.6793"
[7,] "30 % Polish + 70 % Serbia_far_south" "4.6898"
[8,] "13.3 % Spanish_Andalucia + 86.7 % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "4.6994"
[9,] "36 % Ukrainian_Lviv + 64 % Serbia_far_south" "4.7104"
[10,] "23.7 % Estonian + 76.3 % Serbia_far_south" "4.7383"
[11,] "40.5 % Serb_Slavic_shifted + 59.5 % Serb" "4.7549"
[12,] "13.8 % Spanish_Extremadura + 86.2 % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "4.7867"
[13,] "14.5 % Portuguese + 85.5 % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "4.791"
[14,] "13.2 % Spanish_Murcia + 86.8 % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "4.8173"
[15,] "14.3 % Spanish_Galicia + 85.7 % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "4.8435"
[16,] "12.7 % Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 87.3 % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "4.8692"
[17,] "11.7 % Spanish_Aragon + 88.3 % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "4.8699"
[18,] "87.8 % Moldavian + 12.2 % Sardinian" "4.8943"
[19,] "12.7 % Spanish_Cantabria + 87.3 % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "4.9143"
[20,] "13.2 % Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 86.8 % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "4.9256"
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "50% % Croatian + 50% % Serbia_far_south" "4.674"
[2,] "50% % Serb_Slavic_shifted + 50% % Serb" "5.3647"
[3,] "50% % Serbia_far_south + 50% % Serb_Germanic_shifted" "6.0542"
[4,] "50% % Croatian + 50% % Romanian" "6.8482"
[5,] "50% % Moldavian + 50% % Serb" "6.9166"
[6,] "50% % Moldavian + 50% % Serbia_far_south" "7.0586"
[7,] "50% % Bulgarian + 50% % Croatian" "7.0593"
[8,] "50% % East_Sicilian + 50% % Lithuanian" "7.2662"
[9,] "50% % Kargopol_Russian + 50% % Tuscan" "7.4322"
[10,] "50% % Lithuanian + 50% % West_Sicilian" "7.5968"
[11,] "50% % Moldavian + 50% % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "7.6616"
[12,] "50% % Serbia_far_south + 50% % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "7.8204"
[13,] "50% % Greek_Thessaly + 50% % Polish" "7.9805"
[14,] "50% % Serb_Slavic_shifted + 50% % Serb_Germanic_shifted" "8.0351"
[15,] "50% % Greek_Thessaly + 50% % Southwest_Russian" "8.1127"
[16,] "50% % East_Sicilian + 50% % Estonian" "8.1352"
[17,] "50% % Serb_Germanic_shifted + 50% % Serb" "8.1992"
[18,] "50% % Romanian + 50% % Serb_Germanic_shifted" "8.228"
[19,] "50% % Romanian + 50% % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "8.2509"
[20,] "50% % Moldavian + 50% % Romanian" "8.2908"
Lets run for me that R oracle.
hereQuote:
Originally Posted by Dušan
Code:[,1] [,2]
[1,] "Serb_Slavic_shifted" "3.7342"
[2,] "Moldavian" "5.1665"
[3,] "Serb" "6.6202"
[4,] "Croatian" "7.6836"
[5,] "Serb_Germanic_shifted" "8.3941"
[6,] "Romanian" "11.5856"
[7,] "Serbia_far_south" "11.9782"
[8,] "Hungarian" "12.1667"
[9,] "Bulgarian" "12.9876"
[10,] "Ukrainian_Lviv" "13.8208"
[11,] "Montenegrin_Coast" "14.7336"
[12,] "Ukrainian" "14.9527"
[13,] "South_Polish" "15.4658"
[14,] "Austrian" "16.6153"
[15,] "East_German" "17.0374"
[16,] "Southwest_Russian" "18.541"
[17,] "Polish" "18.9585"
[18,] "Ukrainian_Belgorod" "19.044"
[19,] "Russian_Smolensk" "20.7734"
[20,] "Estonian_Polish" "21.1582"
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "5.9 % Sardinian + 94.1 % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "2.2494"
[2,] "7.2 % Southwest_French + 92.8 % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "2.7974"
[3,] "7 % Spanish_Cantabria + 93 % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "2.8481"
[4,] "7.1 % Spanish_Valencia + 92.9 % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "2.8636"
[5,] "6.8 % Spanish_Andalucia + 93.2 % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "2.8708"
[6,] "7.6 % Spanish_Galicia + 92.4 % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "2.8807"
[7,] "6.2 % Spanish_Aragon + 93.8 % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "2.8835"
[8,] "6.7 % Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 93.3 % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "2.9097"
[9,] "7 % Spanish_Extremadura + 93 % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "2.9315"
[10,] "7.4 % Portuguese + 92.6 % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "2.9323"
[11,] "6.7 % Spanish_Murcia + 93.3 % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "2.9567"
[12,] "4.7 % French_Basque + 95.3 % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "2.9608"
[13,] "6.9 % Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 93.1 % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "2.964"
[14,] "8 % North_Italian + 92 % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "2.992"
[15,] "6.9 % Spanish_Cataluna + 93.1 % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "3.0019"
[16,] "44.1 % Ukrainian + 55.9 % Serbia_far_south" "3.1988"
[17,] "6.5 % Tuscan + 93.5 % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "3.2136"
[18,] "75.3 % Serb_Slavic_shifted + 24.7 % Serb" "3.214"
[19,] "3.8 % Moroccan + 96.2 % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "3.2612"
[20,] "3.8 % Mozabite_Berber + 96.2 % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "3.2718"
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "50% % Moldavian + 50% % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "4.7469"
[2,] "50% % Moldavian + 50% % Serb" "5.3672"
[3,] "50% % Serb_Slavic_shifted + 50% % Serb" "5.3895"
[4,] "50% % Croatian + 50% % Serb" "5.5075"
[5,] "50% % Greek_Thessaly + 50% % Kargopol_Russian" "5.5647"
[6,] "50% % Bulgarian + 50% % Ukrainian_Lviv" "5.8193"
[7,] "50% % Ukrainian_Lviv + 50% % Serbia_far_south" "5.9531"
[8,] "50% % Ukrainian + 50% % Montenegrin_Coast" "6.4541"
[9,] "50% % Belorussian + 50% % Greek_Thessaly" "6.4847"
[10,] "50% % Croatian + 50% % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "6.894"
[11,] "50% % Bulgarian + 50% % Ukrainian" "6.9951"
[12,] "50% % Serb_Slavic_shifted + 50% % Serb_Germanic_shifted" "7.1187"
[13,] "50% % Ukrainian + 50% % Serbia_far_south" "7.2547"
[14,] "50% % Ukrainian_Lviv + 50% % Montenegrin_Coast" "7.279"
[15,] "50% % Serb_Germanic_shifted + 50% % Serb" "7.3034"
[16,] "50% % Hungarian + 50% % Serbia_far_south" "7.3257"
[17,] "50% % Croatian + 50% % Moldavian" "7.351"
[18,] "50% % Estonian_Polish + 50% % Greek_Thessaly" "7.4659"
[19,] "50% % Moldavian + 50% % Serb_Germanic_shifted" "7.7578"
[20,] "50% % Romanian + 50% % Ukrainian_Lviv" "7.8458"
Slavic shifted Serb with a bit more west Med blood.Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
Nice results. Thanks!
EDIT: We have quite similar mixed mode oracles.
from kits with confirmed ancestry only:
samples populaton North_Atlantic Baltic West_Med West_Asian East_Med Red_Sea South_Asian East_Asian Siberian Amerindian Oceanian Northeast_African Sub_Saharan 131 Serb (without Montenegrins) 25.07 29.92 17.03 8.75 15.35 1.59 0.48 0.29 0.67 0.43 0.30 0.08 0.04 58 Serb_Croatia 25.17 29.66 17.32 8.73 15.33 1.64 0.49 0.29 0.56 0.39 0.29 0.08 0.04 22 Serb_B&H 25.30 30.82 16.62 8.39 14.73 1.89 0.35 0.32 0.75 0.43 0.35 0.06 0.02 29 Serb_Serbia 24.62 29.72 16.84 8.78 16.34 1.32 0.52 0.30 0.66 0.49 0.27 0.05 0.04 20 Montenegrin 24.50 25.37 18.42 10.26 17.24 2.30 0.15 0.23 0.79 0.39 0.26 0.02 0.06
Code:Serb,25.07,29.92,17.03,8.75,15.35,1.59,0.48,0.29,0.67,0.43,0.30,0.08,0.04
Serb_Croatia,25.17,29.66,17.32,8.73,15.33,1.64,0.49,0.29,0.56,0.39,0.29,0.08,0.04
Serb_B&H,25.30,30.82,16.62,8.39,14.73,1.89,0.35,0.32,0.75,0.43,0.35,0.06,0.02
Serb_Serbia,24.62,29.72,16.84,8.78,16.34,1.32,0.52,0.30,0.66,0.49,0.27,0.05,0.04
Montenegrin,24.50,25.37,18.42,10.26,17.24,2.30,0.15,0.23,0.79,0.39,0.26,0.02,0.06
^^^^Why without Montenegrins? Montenegrins who identify as Serbs need to be included in Serb average to make it as realistic as possible.
doesn't change muchQuote:
Originally Posted by Est.1992
Serb,24.96,29.31,17.20,8.97,15.66,1.66,0.45,0.28,0 .67,0.42,0.30,0.08,0.04
They're all remarkably homogenous, except for Montenegro which is now an independent country.Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
This stuff should be used for Vahaduo.
Their "independence" is a political thing of their president (who is in power for almost 30 years) and I agree with Feiichi, they should be included in the Serbian average, because majority of people in Montenegro consider themselves as Serbs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Yes, as I always said, we are pretty homogeneous people, no matter from what geographic region came.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Good results as always vbnetkhio, still, I think that average for Serbs from Krajina ("croatia") is a bit more northern. I dont know what samples you used, but this is my Krajina Serb average.
Krajina_Serb_average,24.71,31.76,16.79,8.22,14.62, 1.55,0.43,0.22,0.81,0.56,0.38,0.03,0.03
These are my results. 3/4 Serbian 1/4 Croatian ancestry
North_Atlantic 29.01 Pct
Baltic 29.62 Pct
West_Med 13.46 Pct
West_Asian 7.43 Pct
East_Med 15.55 Pct
Red_Sea 2.64 Pct
South_Asian 1.06 Pct
East_Asian 0.48 Pct
Amerindian 0.62 Pct
Oceanian 0.05 Pct
Northeast_African 0.06 Pct
You won't like how you guys plot xDQuote:
Originally Posted by Dušan
Distance to: Krajina_Serb_average
1.55862119 Bosniak
1.58278236 Croat_Herzegovina
1.59414554 Croat_Dalmatia
1.94927420 Serbian
1.97547463 Serb_Croatia
2.20432246 Serbian_Bosnia
2.25107145 Bosniak_Sarajevo
2.46617112 Croat_BiH
2.83441352 Croat_Tropolje
3.05137674 Romanian_North_Moldova_Bukovina
3.10650930 Croat_Bosnia
3.52513830 Croat_Lika-Senj
4.01778546 Romanian_Botosani
4.43603426 Szekely_Hungarian
4.50277692 Serb_Belgrade
4.87246344 Romanian_Average
5.24254709 Croat
5.26837736 Moldavian
5.52844463 Romanian_South_Central_Moldova
5.79063900 Bulgarian_Pleven
5.84425359 Croat_Croatia
5.98047657 Bulgarian_Dupnitsa
6.12058004 Croat_Zagreb
6.32412840 Bosniak_Tuzla
6.37733487 Csango_Gymes
Yes, and it will help make distinction between Croats and Serbs which is in interest of most people here. Without Montenegrins it will be too close.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terminator98
Why don't you add more ph2ter kajkavian samples, and we will be far far away?Quote:
Originally Posted by Est.1992
They are more than 30% of Croats, and they are underrepresented because of that Herzegovina Catholic Serbs you added.
I added them to general average which is just ''Croat'' and Croat_Croatia. Also included central region which is similar to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dušan
Ex-Catholic orthodox Vlach like you should keep quiet. Unlike your ancestors. Herzegovina Croats remained Catholic.
Yes, Muslim and Catholic Serb apostates.Quote:
Originally Posted by Est.1992
Still Krajina Serba are very very far away from kaykavian NW Croats.
Btw, Dalmatian average is more southern than Herzegovina one, and Istrian even more (small sample size though)
People in Istria are Serbs?
Distance to: Croat_Istria
1.02779162 Serbian
1.59818647 Bosniak
1.98710845 Serb_Croatia
2.38323310 Croat_Dalmatia
2.60474567 Croat_Herzegovina
2.70630301 Bosniak_Sarajevo
2.93433766 Serbian_Bosnia
2.96123285 Croat_BiH
3.14254674 Croat_Tropolje
3.31495098 Serb_Belgrade
3.45508321 Romanian_North_Moldova_Bukovina
3.76142260 Croat_Bosnia
3.79618229 Romanian_Average
4.24976470 Croat_Lika-Senj
4.37972602 Romanian_South_Central_Moldova
4.91365444 Bulgarian_Pleven
4.97484673 Romanian_Botosani
5.11121316 Szekely_Hungarian
5.13359523 Bulgarian_Dupnitsa
5.64904204 Montenegrin
5.88161542 Croat
5.94180107 Romanian_Transylvania
6.28059711 Moldavian
6.33160327 Bosniak_Sandzak
6.35971697 Bulgarian_Sofia
You are similar to southern Croats, far more than to southeast Serbs and Montenegrins. Just like they are far closer to western Serbs than to northwest Croats.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dušan
Dinaric Slavs are very similar, and I don't think it matter who was founding tribe.
I can't say I am thrilled with that, but it is what it is.
Ex-Catholic? :pound:Quote:
Originally Posted by Est.1992
You are crazy as fuck. And stupid ignorant.
Add more kaykavian and real Croat chakavian results and we will be far away. :thumb001:
East Herzegovina was Latin rite Christian before Orthodox. Only Raška was east Christian since beginnings. Keep in mind I nowhere said ''Croat''.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dušan
Don't like to equal religion with ethnicity. Nationalism in genetics is annoying.
Not for a long.Quote:
Originally Posted by Est.1992
We are intermarriage with southeast Serbs and other Serbia Serbs, and in next generation we will be away from that Catholic Serb apostates calling themselves southern Croats.
Distance to: eQuote:
Originally Posted by ezyeez
4.44334334 Croat_Bosnia
4.90337639 Croat_BiH
4.98602923 Serbian_Bosnia
5.09523307 Bosniak
5.19960575 Croat_Lika-Senj
5.34177190 Serbian
5.37697871 Szekely_Hungarian
5.61793556 Croat
5.62278780 Bosniak_Sarajevo
5.70964097 Croat_Tropolje
5.78376175 Csango_Gymes
5.87345724 Croat_Herzegovina
5.94430820 Croat_Croatia
5.99257874 Bulgarian_Dupnitsa
5.99324620 Croat_Dalmatia
6.05861370 Romanian_North_Moldova_Bukovina
6.08461996 Hungarian
6.37887137 Croat_Zagreb
6.42929234 Serb_Croatia
6.61955437 Serb_Belgrade
Target: e
Distance: 2.4853% / 2.48527473 | ADC: 0.5x
66.4 Croat_Bosnia
18.6 Hungarian_Transdanubia
14.2 Pomak_Central-Macedonia
0.8 Bulgarian_Southwest
Target: e
Distance: 1.8491% / 1.84909879 | ADC: 0.25x
43.8 Croat_Bosnia
30.4 Hungarian_Transdanubia
12.2 Croat_Lika-Senj
11.0 Pomak_Central-Macedonia
2.4 Yemenite_Jewish
0.2 Pomak_Plovdiv
Original spreadsheet:
Target: e
Distance: 2.9540% / 2.95402231 | ADC: 0.5x
68.6 Serbian
31.4 Hungarian
Target: e
Distance: 2.1545% / 2.15446371 | ADC: 0.25x
52.0 Serbian
42.2 Hungarian
3.0 Yemenite_Jewish
2.8 Belorussian
With other samples I added to sources:
Distance to: chunky
4.37836728 Serb_Serbia_Branicevo
4.40643847 Serb_Serbia_Timok
4.58757016 cro_bos_19
4.59709691 Croat_Bosnia_avg
4.76667599 Serb_Croatia_Banija_Kordun
4.77861905 Montenegrin_Old_Herzegovina
4.81793524 Serb_B&H_Northeast_Bosnia
4.89297456 crobos1
5.03574225 cro_herz_20
5.20699529 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
5.25044760 Serb_Krajina
5.26481719 cro_herz_13
5.27907189 Serb_Croatia_Dalmatia
5.34461411 Serb_B&H
5.52407458 Serb_Serbia_South_Morava
5.57769666 Serb_Croatia_Dalmatia
5.65016814 Serb_Croatia
5.67145484 Serb
5.75953991 Serb_Croatia
5.82061852 Croat_Herzegovina_avg
5.92784953 cro_bos_16
5.97679680 Serb_Serbia
5.99417217 Serb_B&H
6.12745461 Serb_B&H_Bosnian_Krajina
6.17024311 Serb_Serbia
The smallest distance I've gotten on anything is Serb_BH_ @ 3.663895 with MDLP K23b
Hi and welcome,Quote:
Originally Posted by ezyeez
Where are your Serb ancestors from?
How come Bosnian and Dalmatian Croats are so similiar to Serbs in Gedmatch but in 23andMe the difference in East Euro is like 15%. Thats the case in most of my matches.
2 grandparents from Kistanje, 1 from Plitvice. Lived there for a few centuries and then believed to have come from MontenegroQuote:
Originally Posted by Dušan