Dodecad k12b West & Central Asian results Vol 4.

Very cool result in my opinion. Armenian from Eastern Black Sea, pure Caucasoid.

Population
Gedrosia 19.81 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 9.76 Pct
North_European 3.91 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 12.86 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 53.61 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Papazyan
4.60296643 Hemshin
5.33462276 Armenian_East
5.49430614 Laz
5.50453449 Turk_East_Black_Sea
5.72115373 Greek_Pontus
5.90004237 Turk_Ahiska
6.38678323 Armenian_West
7.01063478 Georgian_Adjara
9.16146822 Udi
9.28744314 Assyrian_North
9.29790299 Turk_East
9.51816159 Azeri_Jew
9.66805048 Assyrian_West
9.93581904 Assyrian_South
9.96778310 Georgian
10.44007663 Georgian_Imereti
12.22019640 Georgian_Gurian
13.03832044 Kurdish_Jew
13.04865510 Zaza
13.06987758 Iranian_Jew
13.25394658 Abkhazian
13.31777384 Georgian_Mingrelian
13.57476703 Mandean
13.84293683 Greek_Cappadocia
13.87247635 Iraqi_Jew

Target: Papazyan
Distance: 1.2633% / 1.26327681 | ADC: 0.25x RC
49.8 Georgian_Adjara
31.1 Armenian_West
15.1 Assyrian_North
4.0 Iran_Mazandaran

Target: Papazyan
Distance: 1.3292% / 1.32923827 | R3P
48.3 Armenian_West
46.3 Georgian_Adjara
5.4 Iran_Mazandaran

Target: Papazyan
Distance: 1.4930% / 1.49304646 | R2P
57.2 Georgian_Adjara
42.8 Assyrian_North

His Muslim match

Population
Gedrosia 17.69 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 0.78 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 9.18 Pct
North_European 2.64 Pct
South_Asian 0.61 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 12.34 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 56.76 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Abdullah
2.51809452 Hemshin
3.44886938 Laz
4.91401058 Greek_Pontus
5.05036632 Turk_East_Black_Sea
5.19927880 Georgian_Adjara
7.57651635 Turk_Ahiska
8.10637404 Armenian_East
8.72617327 Armenian_West
9.21790106 Georgian_Imereti
9.74174522 Georgian
11.52287724 Georgian_Gurian
11.78861739 Assyrian_North
11.95540882 Georgian_Mingrelian
11.96334819 Assyrian_West
12.10024380 Azeri_Jew
12.28030130 Assyrian_South
12.37606965 Turk_East
12.84471876 Udi
13.62296590 Abkhazian
14.11312155 Georgian_Svan
15.11955687 Greek_Cappadocia
15.15927109 Kurdish_Jew
15.52195864 Iranian_Jew
15.91680558 Iraqi_Jew
16.18499923 Mandean

Target: Abdullah
Distance: 1.8282% / 1.82820443 | ADC: 0.25x RC
51.1 Hemshin
35.1 Georgian_Adjara
13.8 Iraqi_Jew

Quote:

Originally Posted by RatCat

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The first result looks a bit Caucasian shifted for an Armenian, but the second one could be a Hemshin. Although they are known as Muslim Armenians, I noticed that Hemshins are simply Eastern Black Sea people and quite similar to Laz people and Pontic Greeks. „Classic“ Armenians are more SW-shifted than Hemshins and very close to Assyrians. Even Turks with zero Turkic admixture are still a bit different to them.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gecko

The first result looks a bit Caucasian shifted for an Armenian, but the second one could be a Hemshin. Although they are known as Muslim Armenians, I noticed that Hemshins are simply Eastern Black Sea people and quite similar to Laz people and Pontic Greeks. „Classic“ Armenians are more SW-shifted than Hemshins and very close to Assyrians. Even Turks with zero Turkic admixture are still a bit different to them.

Yes i agree, first one is probably mixed with locals. He has both Armenian and Eastern Black Sea matches.

Alevi Kurd from Kahramanmaraş:

Gedrosia 21.31 Pct
Siberian 2.61 Pct
Northwest_African 0.60 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 8.82 Pct
North_European 9.32 Pct
South_Asian 3.65 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 14.21 Pct
East_Asian 1.49
Caucasus 37.73 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.25

Yörük from Izmir:

Gedrosia: 14.30
Siberian: 7.52
NW_African: 1.08
SE_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 13.48
North_European: 11.73
South_Asia: 3.66
East_African: 0.00
SW_Asian: 13.01
East_Asian: 5.01
Caucasus: 29.86
SSA: 0.34

Distance to: Yöruk_izmir
6.51340925 Turk_Northwest
6.70431950 Turk_Southwest
8.72220729 Turk_West_BlackSea
8.89200765 Turk_South
8.92413581 Turk_Central_West
11.20933540 Turk_Southeast
11.22035650 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
11.74376856 Turk_Central_East
12.45368219 Azerbaijani_Northwest
13.07397032 Azerbaijani
13.16471800 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
14.19417134 Azerbaijani_Turkey
14.40191654 Turkmen_Iran
14.67861029 Azerbaijani_Iran
16.30256115 Iraq_Turkmen
16.37936812 Azerbaijani_North
16.79499330 Turk_Cyprus
16.95167838 Iraqi_Baghdad
17.00597542 Greek_Crete
17.23623799 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
17.25655238 Greek_Lemnos
17.34496469 Kurd_Kurmanji
17.40866738 Greek_Fournoi
17.60231519 Iran_Khorasan
17.76035473 Lebanese_Muslim

Target: Yöruk_izmir
Distance: 1.2200% / 1.22004267 | ADC: 0.25x RC
63.5 Turk_Northwest
10.5 Tajik_Herat
7.9 Iraqi_Arab
7.0 Saudi
5.0 Balkan_Gypsy
3.4 Yukagir
2.7 Spanish_Basque

The name is Georgian and description says Adjara(maybe Georgian Udi?), but results suggest Eastern Turk.

Gedrosia 19.06 Pct
Siberian 0.76 Pct
Northwest_African 0.07 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 11.7 Pct
North_European 9.61 Pct
South_Asian 1.25 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 11.79 Pct
East_Asian 0.21 Pct
Caucasus 45.55 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: panidze
3.09998387 Turk_East
3.79196519 Udi
6.24180262 Armenian_East
7.40810367 Azerbaijani_Turkey
7.55103304 Zaza
8.03840780 Turk_Central_East
8.85069489 Azerbaijani
8.88648975 Armenian_West
8.93735419 Turk_Southeast
9.01967294 Azerbaijani_Iran
9.03250796 Turk_Ahiska
9.13060239 Kurd_Kurmanji
9.74001027 Talysh_Azerbaijan
10.09242785 Kurd_Adygea
10.48256171 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
10.48348702 Azeri_Jew
10.57428485 Assyrian_North
10.62199605 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
10.72918450 Turk_East_Black_Sea
10.73126740 Assyrian_West
10.95724418 Assyrian_South
10.99120103 Turk_Central_West
11.21186425 Turk_South
11.34023809 Iraq_Turkmen
11.36522327 Yazidi

Very distant match to the guy above. Ahiska Turk, but the surname suggests that he is from Azerbaijan.

Population
Gedrosia 19.7 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 0.17 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.58 Pct
Atlantic_Med 7.24 Pct
North_European 8.77 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 9.16 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 54.01 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.38 Pct

Distance to: abdal
1.52993464 Turk_Ahiska
4.51874983 Georgian
6.15787301 Laz
6.30778091 Hemshin
6.49068563 Georgian_Imereti
6.71849686 Georgian_Adjara
6.79307000 Georgian_Gurian
6.84652467 Abkhazian
7.33235978 Turk_East_Black_Sea
7.96414465 Armenian_East
8.76119284 Georgian_Mingrelian
8.82013038 Georgian_Svan
9.18937974 Udi
9.19880427 Greek_Pontus
9.98535928 Turk_East
10.63832224 Ossetian_South
11.36963500 Armenian_West
12.55751966 Adyghe
12.80489750 Ossetian
13.90088486 Zaza
14.18243985 Assyrian_North
14.19904926 Azeri_Jew
14.31175391 Talysh_Azerbaijan
14.57357883 Assyrian_West
14.79731395 Assyrian_South

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sterling Archer

The name is Georgian and description says Adjara(maybe Georgian Udi?), but results suggest Eastern Turk.

His Mongoloid is abysmally low for a Turk. And Udis do not exist in Georgia as far as I know.

Siberian 0.76 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
East_Asian 0.21 Pct

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leto

And Udis do not exist in Georgia as far as I know.

You are mistaken. Udis do live in Georgia in the village of Oktomberi. They emigrated from Azerbaijan. Their numbers is very small though, even less than in Azerbaijan.
http://udilang.narod.ru/papers/Schul...ory-of-Udi.pdf

As for this person, as I wrote, I have no idea about his background. Maybe Udi mixed with Turk? Or just plain Turk from North Eastern Turkey where mongoloid is low to begin with.
Anyway, his top match is Turk_East, hence my the initial suggestion.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sterling Archer

You are mistaken. Udis do live in Georgia in the village of Oktomberi. They emigrated from Azerbaijan. Their numbers is very small though, even less than in Azerbaijan.
http://udilang.narod.ru/papers/Schul...ory-of-Udi.pdf

As for this person, as I wrote, I have no idea about his background. Maybe Udi mixed with Turk? Or just plain Turk from North Eastern Turkey where mongoloid is low to begin with.
Anyway, his top match is Turk_East, hence my the initial suggestion.

Yes, probably a Turk from NE-Turkey like Erzurum.

Another Dagestani. I dont know the exact ethnicity.

https://ibb.co/QYTKPNP (Don't quote the photos pls)
https://i.ibb.co/BN3n7V9/muraddd.png (Don't quote the photos pls)

Y-DNA: J2-Y32689

Y-DNA map:
https://i.hizliresim.com/jRXf5e.png

Population
Gedrosia 25.46 Pct
Siberian 1.81 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 5.16 Pct
North_European 29.22 Pct
South_Asian 1.63 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian -
East_Asian -
Caucasus 36.72 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Murad
3.57533215 Dargin
3.59386978 Kaitag_Dagestan
4.77122626 Avar
4.98247930 Tabasaran
5.00009000 Kubachi_Dagestan
5.46761374 Lak
9.18379007 Lezgin
11.22449108 Chechen
12.48539947 Kumyk
13.29492008 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
14.53340291 Ingush
15.36642769 Kabardin
15.60187168 Balkar
16.65019219 Karachay
16.81647109 Abazin
17.10488234 Circassian
17.64332735 Yagnobi
17.88849910 Adyghe
17.92010603 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
18.50380772 Ossetian
20.77194261 Nogai
21.22735499 Ossetian_South
21.41104621 Tajik_Lowland
22.11291478 Pamiri_Rushan
22.16435652 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain

Target: Murad
Distance: 2.1226% / 2.12262003 | ADC: 0.25x RC
85.9 Kubachi_Dagestan
7.2 Latvian
6.9 Dargin

Target: Murad
Distance: 2.6626% / 2.66257042 | ADC: 0.5x RC
65.4 Dargin
31.1 Kaitag_Dagestan
3.5 Latvian

Target: Murad
Distance: 2.1267% / 2.12667466 | R2P
92.5 Kubachi_Dagestan
7.5 Latvian

Quote:

Originally Posted by RatCat

Another Dagestani. I dont know the exact ethnicity.

I think I know that account, posted the guy sometime last year. But I'm surprised how non-Euro he looks! I mean with that percentage of North European he is still as dark and woggy as many Azerbaijanis who score only a fraction of that.

1/4 Turkish from Langaza, Greece
1/4 Turkish from Drama, Greece
1/4 Turkish from Novi Pazar Shumen, Bulgaria
1/4 Turkish from Bursa Karacabey, Turkey

Y: E-V13 (Novi Pazar)
MT: U5a2 (Langaza)

Code:

Admix Results (sorted): # Population Percent 1 Caucasus 29.25 2 North_European 22.69 3 Atlantic_Med 18.3 4 Gedrosia 9.82 5 Southwest_Asian 7.41 6 Siberian 4.46 7 East_Asian 3.56 8 Northwest_African 2.64 9 South_Asian 1.87 Single Population Sharing: # Population (source) Distance 1 Greek (Dodecad) 14.87 2 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 14.9 3 O_Italian (Dodecad) 16.02 4 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 16.08 5 Romanians (Behar) 16.2 6 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 16.98 7 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 17.71 8 C_Italian (Dodecad) 18.24 9 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 18.29 10 Sicilian (Dodecad) 18.51 11 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 20.06 12 Tuscan (HGDP) 20.24 13 Turkish (Dodecad) 20.6 14 TSI30 (Metspalu) 20.89 15 Turks (Behar) 21.93 16 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 21.94 17 N_Italian (Dodecad) 23.4 18 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 23.5 19 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 23.51 20 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 24.73 Mixed Mode Population Sharing: # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance 1 61.2% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 38.8% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 4.5 2 66.9% Turks (Behar) + 33.1% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 5.03 3 63.3% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 36.7% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 5.09 4 68.4% Turkish (Dodecad) + 31.6% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 5.25 5 66.8% Turks (Behar) + 33.2% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 5.28 6 68.3% Turkish (Dodecad) + 31.7% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 5.29 7 60.8% Turks (Behar) + 39.2% German (Dodecad) @ 5.43 8 61.3% Romanians (Behar) + 38.7% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 5.56 9 56.2% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 43.8% Nogais (Yunusbayev) @ 5.57 10 63.4% Turks (Behar) + 36.6% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 5.87 11 62.4% Turkish (Dodecad) + 37.6% German (Dodecad) @ 5.89 12 67.6% Greek (Dodecad) + 32.4% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 5.9 13 62.2% Turks (Behar) + 37.8% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) @ 6.09 14 57.3% Turks (Behar) + 42.7% Hungarians (Behar) @ 6.1 15 65.4% Turks (Behar) + 34.6% British_Isles (Dodecad) @ 6.11 16 66.1% Turks (Behar) + 33.9% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 6.26 17 64.5% Turks (Behar) + 35.5% CEU30 (1000Genomes) @ 6.27 18 64.6% Turks (Behar) + 35.4% English (Dodecad) @ 6.29 19 70.4% Greek (Dodecad) + 29.6% Uzbeks (Behar) @ 6.33 20 64.3% Turks (Behar) + 35.7% Kent (1000Genomes) @ 6.39

Code:

Distance to: Onur 4.97869461 Turk_Trakya 5.63417252 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain 8.13678684 Turk_Deliorman 9.03769329 Turk_Makedonya 10.36411598 Bulgarian_Thrace 10.96883312 Greek_Peloponnese 11.44028846 Turk_Northwest 11.73421067 Greek_Thessaloniki 11.98999166 Greek_Lemnos 12.01151115 Greek_Thrace 12.03671051 Greek_Central 12.07067521 Moldavian_Gagauz 12.14539831 Greek_Thessaly 12.47398493 Bulgarian_East 12.54236022 Greek_Athens 12.64121830 Greek_Foca 12.67192566 Italian_Apulia 12.95857631 Greek_Macedonia 13.10667006 Pomak_Greece 13.35914294 Albanian 14.03220581 Turk_West_BlackSea 14.20507656 Turk_Southwest 14.24535012 Albanian_Kosovo 14.69701330 Bulgarian_Central 14.93055257 Italian_Abruzzo Distance to: Onur 2.17511005 35.60% Moldavian_Center + 64.40% Turk_Northwest 2.21555726 41.00% Moldavian_Center + 59.00% Turk_Southwest 2.23510459 37.00% Moldavian_North + 63.00% Turk_Southwest 2.26242721 34.20% Serb + 65.80% Turk_Northwest 2.28362604 31.20% Bosnian + 68.80% Turk_Northwest 2.28558089 32.00% Moldavian_North + 68.00% Turk_Northwest 2.29104714 30.00% Croat + 70.00% Turk_Northwest 2.29296500 59.00% Turk_Deliorman + 41.00% Turk_Northwest 2.30477653 28.20% Turk_Northwest + 71.80% Turk_Trakya 2.30625312 34.80% Croat + 65.20% Turk_Southwest 2.32128286 36.20% Bosnian + 63.80% Turk_Southwest 2.33798343 64.20% Turk_Deliorman + 35.80% Turk_Southwest 2.35057271 23.80% Turk_Southwest + 76.20% Turk_Trakya 2.37688290 19.60% Turk_South + 80.40% Turk_Trakya 2.40140243 39.40% Serb + 60.60% Turk_Southwest 2.41598509 31.80% Hungarian_Alfold + 68.20% Turk_Southwest 2.42017871 68.80% Turk_Southwest + 31.20% Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk 2.42114969 31.80% Slovenian + 68.20% Turk_Southwest 2.42319368 31.40% Hungarian_North + 68.60% Turk_Southwest 2.46233677 32.60% Hungarian + 67.40% Turk_Southwest 2.46605532 27.00% Slovenian + 73.00% Turk_Northwest 2.51688180 18.20% Turk_Central_Black_Sea + 81.80% Turk_Trakya 2.52800328 36.60% Hungarian_Transylvania_Szekely + 63.40% Turk_Southwest 2.53622268 32.80% Hungarian_Transdanubia_Budapest + 67.20% Turk_Southwest 2.54837972 73.60% Turk_Northwest + 26.40% Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk

Code:

Distance to: Onur 2.59374257 68.80% Bulgarian_Thrace + 31.20% Turkmen_Iran 3.01160781 66.00% Greek_Thessaloniki + 34.00% Turkmen_Iran 3.25007224 63.20% Bulgarian_Thrace + 36.80% Ottoman_MA2196 3.33564662 71.60% Bulgarian_Thrace + 28.40% Turkmen_Uzbekistan 3.62026674 68.80% Greek_Thessaloniki + 31.20% Turkmen_Uzbekistan 3.63802299 71.20% Bulgarian_Thrace + 28.80% Turkmen_TM 3.70990305 64.80% Bulgarian_East + 35.20% Turkmen_Iran 3.73396232 58.60% Bulgarian_East + 41.40% Ottoman_MA2196 3.79264609 65.80% Greek_Thrace + 34.20% Turkmen_Iran 3.84680528 64.00% Greek_Macedonia + 36.00% Turkmen_Iran 3.89711907 61.60% Albanian_Kosovo + 38.40% Turkmen_Iran 3.91728990 57.20% Pomak_Greece + 42.80% Ottoman_MA2196 3.95143317 68.40% Greek_Thessaloniki + 31.60% Turkmen_TM 4.00455442 57.60% Greek_Macedonia + 42.40% Ottoman_MA2196 4.01951195 65.80% Moldavian_Gagauz + 34.20% Turkmen_Iran 4.09484723 75.20% Bulgarian_Thrace + 24.80% Turkmen_Afghanistan 4.10972584 76.20% Bulgarian_Thrace + 23.80% Uzbeki 4.19489341 59.60% Moldavian_Gagauz + 40.40% Ottoman_MA2196 4.19904189 63.40% Albanian + 36.60% Turkmen_Iran 4.27974211 60.40% Greek_Thessaloniki + 39.60% Ottoman_MA2196 4.28821870 74.60% Bulgarian_Thrace + 25.40% Uzbek 4.28847670 73.60% Greek_Thessaloniki + 26.40% Uzbeki 4.29559324 67.20% Bulgarian_East + 32.80% Turkmen_TM 4.29692878 71.80% Greek_Thessaloniki + 28.20% Uzbek 4.31897157 72.60% Greek_Thessaloniki + 27.40% Turkmen_Afghanistan

Kırşehir Turk:

Gedrosia 15.11 Pct
Siberian 5.27 Pct
Northwest_African 1.00 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 9.14 Pct
North_European 13.17 Pct
South_Asian 1.44 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 9.96 Pct
East_Asian 6.78 Pct
Caucasus 38.07 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Target: Kırşehirli
Distance: 0.8593% / 0.85926470 | ADC: 0.25x RC
58.8 Turk_South
20.4 Circassian
10.2 Nogai
5.3 Kumyk
3.6 Kuwait2
1.7 Japanese

Distance to: Kırşehirli
4.15285005 63.80% Armenian_East + 36.20% Turkmen_Afghanistan
4.32830089 63.00% Armenian_East + 37.00% Uzbek
4.37939017 64.40% Armenian_East + 35.60% Uzbeki
4.75556799 56.80% Greek_Pontus + 43.20% Uzbek
4.94966331 71.80% Armenian_East + 28.20% DA87_Kimak
4.96101736 49.20% Armenian_East + 50.80% MA2196_Ottoman
5.18928617 45.80% Greek_Cappadocia + 54.20% Turkmen_Iran
5.24871388 66.20% Greek_Pontus + 33.80% DA87_Kimak
5.25217750 57.80% Greek_Pontus + 42.20% Turkmen_Afghanistan
5.33270263 58.60% Greek_Pontus + 41.40% Uzbeki
5.47667559 57.80% Armenian_East + 42.20% Turkmen_Uzbekistan
5.59522765 51.20% Greek_Pontus + 48.80% Turkmen_Uzbekistan
5.67645717 41.60% Greek_Pontus + 58.40% Turkmen_Iran
5.78084814 61.40% Armenian_West + 38.60% Turkmen_Afghanistan
5.84463916 48.20% Armenian_East + 51.80% Turkmen_Iran
5.92566306 60.40% Armenian_West + 39.60% Uzbek
5.98776569 71.00% Armenian_East + 29.00% Uyghur
6.01675752 62.00% Armenian_West + 38.00% Uzbeki
6.05401868 62.80% Greek_Cappadocia + 37.20% Uzbeki
6.15179236 41.60% Georgian + 58.40% MA2196_Ottoman
6.22071589 61.20% Greek_Cappadocia + 38.80% Uzbek
6.22203079 46.00% Armenian_West + 54.00% MA2196_Ottoman
6.27843776 42.40% Greek_Pontus + 57.60% MA2196_Ottoman
6.37717189 39.60% Georgian_Gurian + 60.40% MA2196_Ottoman
6.43806524 62.20% Greek_Cappadocia + 37.80% Turkmen_Afghanistan

Ankara Kızılcahamam

Gedrosia 10.43 Pct
Siberian 5.78 Pct
Northwest_African 1.78 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 14.16 Pct
North_European 17.16 Pct
South_Asian 0.62 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 10.33 Pct
East_Asian 5.19 Pct
Caucasus 34.53 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Target: Ankaralı
Distance: 1.1368% / 1.13675072 | ADC: 0.25x RC
27.1 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
26.5 Nogai
21.8 Greek_Fournoi
17.5 Turk_Northwest
7.1 Yemenite_Mahra

Distance to: Ankaralı
3.62433422 52.00% Ashkenazi_Jews + 48.00% Nogai
3.80970120 56.60% Greek_Crete + 43.40% Nogai
3.90646015 56.00% Greek_Fournoi + 44.00% Nogai
4.46567322 52.60% Greek_Kos + 47.40% Nogai
4.70322937 55.80% Greek_Izmir + 44.20% Nogai
4.86148338 57.00% Greek_Lemnos + 43.00% Nogai
4.91303224 51.20% Greek_Rhodes + 48.80% Nogai
5.27360177 59.00% Greek_Izmir + 41.00% Turkmen_Iran
5.30271976 70.20% Greek_Crete + 29.80% Turkmen_Afghanistan
5.37369733 71.20% Greek_Crete + 28.80% Uzbeki
5.39768869 49.20% Greek_Icaria + 50.80% Nogai
5.41090637 58.20% Greek_Foca + 41.80% Turkmen_Iran
5.52546863 70.40% Greek_Izmir + 29.60% Uzbeki
5.57690008 69.40% Greek_Izmir + 30.60% Turkmen_Afghanistan
5.73949763 55.00% Greek_Foca + 45.00% Nogai
5.79839624 69.80% Greek_Crete + 30.20% Uzbek
5.80705211 64.60% Greek_Izmir + 35.40% Turkmen_Uzbekistan
5.86748467 77.20% Greek_Crete + 22.80% DA87_Kimak
5.87730744 59.80% Greek_Fournoi + 40.20% Turkmen_Iran
5.95138446 60.40% Greek_Crete + 39.60% Turkmen_Iran
5.98721406 70.20% Greek_Fournoi + 29.80% Turkmen_Afghanistan
5.98853991 69.00% Greek_Izmir + 31.00% Uzbek
6.07537441 71.20% Greek_Fournoi + 28.80% Uzbeki
6.15301930 65.80% Greek_Crete + 34.20% Turkmen_Uzbekistan
6.24132977 55.00% Greek_Athens + 45.00% Turkmen_Iran

Very high north european

Quote:

Originally Posted by Altaylı

Kırşehir Turk:

4.96101736 49.20% Armenian_East + 50.80% MA2196_Ottoman

= Straightforward 25% Oghuz. Most reliable calculation ever.

From a small Azerbaijani community in Central Anatolia (Afyon). Their ancestry is from the Javanshir clan of the Afshar tribe (Ruling clan of the Karabakh Khanate):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Javanshir_clan

Gedrosia: 21.09
Siberian: 1.83
NW_African: 1.37
SE_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 9.39
North_European: 9.29
South_Asia: 3.67
East_African: 0.23
SW_Asian: 9.51
East_Asian: 5.05
Caucasus: 36.54
SSA: 0.00

Distance to: Javanshir
3.49589760 Azerbaijani
3.54437583 Azerbaijani_Northwest
3.71309844 Azerbaijani_Turkey
4.27672772 Azerbaijani_Iran
6.03223010 Turk_Southeast
6.44965891 Azerbaijani_North
7.36041439 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
7.43643060 Turk_Central_East
7.58904474 Kurd_Kurmanji
7.65412307 Turk_South
8.06672176 Zaza
8.25192705 Talysh_Azerbaijan
8.41547384 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
8.70340163 Yazidi
8.75580950 Kurd_Adygea
8.97631327 Turk_Central_West
9.18825881 Iraq_Turkmen
9.44573449 Kurd_Sorani
9.54526584 Iran_Central
9.55300476 Udi
9.66525737 Turk_East
10.81714842 Turk_Southwest
10.89871093 Turk_West_BlackSea
10.91403225 Iranian
10.95984945 Iran_Khorasan

Target: Javanshir
Distance: 1.6779% / 1.67793475 | ADC: 0.25x RC
76.3 Azerbaijani_Northwest
9.3 Abkhazian
6.4 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
4.8 Bnei_Menashe_Jews
3.2 Balkan_Gypsy

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Originally Posted by Leto

I think I know that account, posted the guy sometime last year. But I'm surprised how non-Euro he looks! I mean with that percentage of North European he is still as dark and woggy as many Azerbaijanis who score only a fraction of that.

as has been said by many Caucasian members here it seems light features is west to east and not directly related to steppe admixture etc

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Originally Posted by Dr_Maul

as has been said by many Caucasian members here it seems light features is west to east and not directly related to steppe admixture etc

Many? There's not many Caucasians on TA and those who claim they are Caucasians are oftentimes some shady trolls. They never post about genetics, so I don't give a rat's ass about those socks. And that statement of yours is debatable IMO. That'd mean Dagestan is supposed to be the darkest of all.

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Originally Posted by Leto

Many? There's not many Caucasians on TA and those who claim they are Caucasians are oftentimes some shady trolls. They never post about genetics, so I don't give a rat's about those socks. And that statement of yours is debatable IMO. That'd mean Dagestan is supposed to be the darkest of all.

There isn't a huge difference between Caucasians in terms of pigmentation but if we compare on average Western ones are lighter, with Western Georgians being the lightest in the whole Caucasus. Btw don't think they are majority light, they are the lightest but they are %16-18 light on average. I'll leave some studies that made on this subject.

Spoiler!

Eye Color

https://i.ibb.co/wcCG6NJ/Untitled.jpg

https://c.radikal.ru/c17/2010/5a/d8ec67c441cd.jpg

https://a.radikal.ru/a12/2010/79/aed7a7e91af9.jpg

Hair Color

https://c.radikal.ru/c18/2010/1a/da5518eff7cf.jpg

https://d.radikal.ru/d42/2010/62/02fc5161ac02.jpg

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Originally Posted by Leto

Many? There's not many Caucasians on TA and those who claim they are Caucasians are oftentimes some shady trolls. They never post about genetics, so I don't give a rat's ass about those socks. And that statement of yours is debatable IMO. That'd mean Dagestan is supposed to be the darkest of all.

There was a map posted here by a Georgian member if I am not mistaken, a Russian anthropology one. I am not sure if it was hair or eyes or both, but it was a clear gradient with the darkest in Lankaran (southeast Azerbaijan, talysh) and the highest % of lightness in Circassia and Adygea. Maybe you know what map I refer to

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Originally Posted by RatCat

There isn't a huge difference between Caucasians in terms of pigmentation but if we compare on average Western ones are lighter, with Western Georgians being the lightest in the whole Caucasus. Btw don't think they are majority light, they are the lightest but they are %16-18 light on average. I'll leave some studies that made on this subject.

This is indeed true. Differences are not very pronounced. I'd say only Talysh would be clearly different, otherwise phenotype is surprisingly similar, with some regional variations.

PS. Once in the Saint Petersburg metro this drunk Russian guy asked me where I was from, and having learned that I was from Azerbaijan, started objecting that I look just like his Mingrelian friend, so I must be Georgian. Couldn't shake him off, so I was very relieved when I arrived at the next station and could gtfo. As I was leaving the carriage he shouted Грузин! (Georgian!) after me. One the most akward moments of my life :)

double

I don't consider the Azerbaijanis and the Armenians Caucasian. The Armenian homeland extends deep into modern Turkey which is not part of the Caucasus and Iran has probably more Azerbaijanis than the eponymous country. So to me the Caucasus is Georgia and the Caucasian Federal District of Russia.

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Originally Posted by Leto

I don't consider the Azerbaijanis and the Armenians Caucasian. The Armenian homeland extends deep into modern Turkey which is not part of the Caucasus and Iran has probably more Azerbaijanis than the eponymous country. So to me the Caucasus is Georgia and the Caucasian Federal District of Russia.

https://i.imgur.com/6PKKbEL.jpg

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Originally Posted by Leto

Many? There's not many Caucasians on TA and those who claim they are Caucasians are oftentimes some shady trolls. They never post about genetics, so I don't give a rat's ass about those socks. And that statement of yours is debatable IMO. That'd mean Dagestan is supposed to be the darkest of all.

Everyone is Troll except Leto:dizzy::dizzy:

Here were always discussions between members, but at least they had, even a bit, a connection to this topic. But it seems some members like to spam this thread regularly.

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Originally Posted by Altaylı

Everyone is Troll except Leto:dizzy::dizzy:

Even you are not a troll, this kind of comments are annoying. Personally i don’t have a problem if someone is posting known samples like you, at least it keeps this thread alive. But posting nonsense like this is ridiculous and it lowers the level of this thread.

Someone from Ardahan and Posof. First I thought he is an Ahiska Turk, but the results would seem to suggest that he is a Georgian from Turkey.

Gedrosia 16.73 Pct
Siberian 0.82 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.36 Pct
Atlantic_Med 6.22 Pct
North_European 8.65 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 8.71 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 58.51 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Ardahan
3.66096982 Georgian_Imereti
3.78681925 Georgian
4.29507858 Georgian_Gurian
5.22372472 Laz
5.32589899 Georgian_Mingrelian
5.63403053 Georgian_Adjara
5.98845556 Hemshin
6.28606395 Turk_Ahiska
7.10367511 Abkhazian
7.28967763 Georgian_Svan
7.84325188 Turk_East_Black_Sea
9.55659458 Greek_Pontus
11.26007549 Armenian_East
12.38659760 Ossetian_South
14.17104442 Armenian_West
14.21759825 Turk_East
14.32207387 Udi
15.12281389 Ossetian
15.37025699 Adyghe
17.31802240 Assyrian_North
17.47564877 Azeri_Jew
17.53359917 Assyrian_West
17.85391834 Assyrian_South
17.93393989 Circassian
18.03973115 Karachay

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Originally Posted by Kyp

From a small Azerbaijani community in Central Anatolia (Afyon). Their ancestry is from the Javanshir clan of the Afshar tribe (Ruling clan of the Karabakh Khanate):

This is very interesting. Do these people still retain their distinct identity?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gecko

Here were always discussions between members, but at least they had, even a bit, a connection to this topic. But it seems some members like to spam this thread regularly.

Even you are not a troll, this kind of comments are annoying. Personally i don’t have a problem if someone is posting known samples like you, at least it keeps this thread alive. But posting nonsense like this is ridiculous and it lowers the level of this thread.

Leto attacked to me many times for nonsense but no one said something to him bu yüzden ona musallat oldum postlarımı görmezden gel bana diyordun ya pm den sende yapabilirsin

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Originally Posted by Altaylı

Leto attacked to me many times for nonsense bu yüzden ona musallat oldum postlarımı görmezden gel bana diyordun ya pm den sende yapabilirsin

You are already in my ignore list, don’t worry. But if i am reading this thread offline, i just see your nonsense. It is already annoying, every second page there is some bs which were posted by you. Your comments are just childish and this is not the place where you can spread this ridiculous stuff. If you feel attacked by Leto then you should solve this with him. Spamming this thread just makes you to an offender.

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Originally Posted by Gecko

You are already in my ignore list, don’t worry. But if i am reading this thread offline, i just see your nonsense. It is already annoying, every second page there is some bs which were posted by you. Your comments are just childish and this is not the place where you can spread this ridiculous stuff. If you feel attacked by Leto then you should solve this with him. Spamming this thread just makes you to an offender.

Quote:

You are already in my ignore list, don’t worry. But if i am reading this thread offline, i just see your nonsense

I don't care

I can't understand why 20-30 years old men crying like a teen girl against to me(especially leto)

No one is crying, you are spamming a cool thread with your fucking bs. Dont be a dumbass and act like a men.
I won’t post anything else regarding this, but this is a troll behavior and if you don’t want that he is claiming that you are a troll, stop beeing childish and dont post any nonsense here. Because you are the reason why this thread becomes a lower level thread.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gecko

No one is crying, you are spamming a cool thread with your fucking bs. Dont be a dumbass and act like a men.
I won’t post anything else regarding this, but this is a troll behavior and if you don’t want that he is claiming that you are a troll, stop beeing childish and dont post any nonsense here. Because you this thread becomes a lower level thread.

You are crying now you thumb downed my post (+1 butthurt point)
Whatever

Edit: artık pmden bana şunu yapma bunu yapma diye komut vermesene siklemiyorum pmden yazdıklarını adam ol diyorsun ya bide ankaraya gel adamlığı sana bi göstereyim
Yaşın büyük diye saygı gösterim diyorum habire pm den bana komut veriyorsun gerizekalı mısın sen illaha anana değerlerine diğerlerinin yaptığı gibi sövmek mi lazım?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Altaylı

Leto attacked to me many times for nonsense but no one said something to him

I don't attack you anymore, some comments are not an attack. And maybe I'm just a more reputable user. I help develop the updated Dodecad oracle, so I am the custodian of this thread :cool:

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Originally Posted by Sterling Archer

This is very interesting. Do these people still retain their distinct identity?

I dont know to be honest. What's even more interesting is that they supossedly migrated to Anatolia in the year 1700. Considering the result is still a typical Azerbaijani results would mean that Azerbaijani ethnogenesis was completed by the year 1700.

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Originally Posted by Sterling Archer

This is very interesting. Do these people still retain their distinct identity?

Well, they know their ancestral place through oral history and tribal history. Tatars in Turkey still know they're tatars :D Most of them came 300-400 years ago starting in 17th century
here is the regions the tribe settled
http://www.avsarelleri.com/FileUploa...sir_harita.jpg

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyp

I dont know to be honest. What's even more interesting is that they supossedly migrated to Anatolia in the year 1700. Considering the result is still a typical Azerbaijani results would mean that Azerbaijani ethnogenesis was completey by the year 1700.

I am more surprised that the admixture remained almost intact. This person looks uber typical for the Republic Azerbaijani. Did they migrate from the republic part or Iranian Azerbaijan?

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Originally Posted by Fedora

Well, they know their ancestral place through oral history and tribal history. Tatars in Turkey still know they're tatars :D Most of them came 300-400 years ago starting in 17th century
here is the regions the tribe settled

Edit: Okay, now I see that those are not Tatars, but Javanshir clan. Georgia and Armenia make sense then. Are they still present in the North Western Black sea region?

Do you guys know this one? A Turkish woman with 14% East Eurasian.

Gedrosia 12.88 Pct
Siberian 6.9 Pct
Northwest_African 1.85 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 13.17 Pct
North_European 11.06 Pct
South_Asian 1.53 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 11.43 Pct
East_Asian 7.13 Pct
Caucasus 34.05 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Esma
2.85348909 Turk_Southwest
4.37046908 Turk_Northwest
5.36872424 Turk_West_BlackSea
5.48777733 Turk_Central_West
5.49429704 Turk_South
7.00484832 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
8.40161889 Turk_Central_East
9.53840133 Turk_Southeast
11.75096592 Azerbaijani
12.18956931 Azerbaijani_Turkey

Distance to: Esma
1.96493828 11.60% Nogai_Astrakhan + 88.40% Turk_Central_West
1.96757067 8.80% Altaian_Telengit + 91.20% Turk_Central_West
1.97101241 8.60% Altaian_Kizhi + 91.40% Turk_Central_West
2.05215475 2.60% Nivh + 97.40% Turk_Southwest
2.06550439 2.60% Nanai + 97.40% Turk_Southwest
2.06882163 8.80% Khakass + 91.20% Turk_Central_West
2.06954728 2.60% Negidal + 97.40% Turk_Southwest
2.07984977 2.60% Oroqen + 97.40% Turk_Southwest
2.08316100 10.40% Kazakh + 89.60% Turk_Central_West
2.10930870 2.40% Daur + 97.60% Turk_Southwest
2.12852022 7.40% Buryat + 92.60% Turk_Central_West
2.13476567 8.00% Kalmyk + 92.00% Turk_Central_West
2.14095461 2.80% Khamnigan + 97.20% Turk_Southwest
2.14209132 3.00% Buryat + 97.00% Turk_Southwest
2.15823116 92.40% Turk_Central_West + 7.60% Tuvan
2.16335327 2.40% Hezhen + 97.60% Turk_Southwest
2.16478235 3.00% Mongol_Khalkh + 97.00% Turk_Southwest
2.16554052 7.20% Khamnigan + 92.80% Turk_Central_West
2.16615331 3.00% Mongol_Uuld + 97.00% Turk_Southwest
2.17240848 3.20% Kalmyk + 96.80% Turk_Southwest

Target: Esma
Distance: 1.2432% / 1.24319463 | ADC: 0.5x RC
91.7 Turk_Southwest
5.3 Coptic
3.0 Negidal