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Shepherding is a universal occupation mainly done by highlanders, which Shtokavian-speakers are much more likely to be compared to Kaykavian-speakers who mainly live in the plains.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
Though I still agree that Shtokavian-speakers would have the most Vlach influence since their region had the least Slavic influence and highlanders are less likely to pick up foreign (i.e. Slavic) admixture.
Assimilated Croats.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pribislav
You wish. xDQuote:
Originally Posted by Pribislav
Kajkavian region is hilly in Zagorje or even mountanious like Gorski kotar with plains in Međimurje and Central Croatia. Slavonia which is flatest region in Croatia is Štokavian speaking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mingle
https://i.redd.it/gwdt2bvvjlv21.png
Overall neither Croatia nor Serbia are mountanious countries. Only Montenegro and Bosnia are.
For example are these Dalmatian Serb surnames: Šarić, Šarac, Revača, Šorgić, Martić, Đapić, Knežević, Tomić, Vidić, Lukić, Lukač, Prijić, Rašković, Cvijanović, Degenek, Borjan, Trivan, Dragaš, Mirić, Marić, Milić, Jasnić, Končarević, Barišić, Komazec, Sladaković, Alfirević, Bradaš, Šegan, Marjanović, Beara, Beader, Rusić, Stojić sounds Croatian to you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
For me there is nothing Croatian about these surnames.
His position on K15 map.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pribislav
https://i.imgur.com/kuAbVUN.jpg
Serb from Ozren (northeastern Bosnia).
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 19.36
2 Atlantic 18.78
3 North_Sea 15.37
4 Eastern_Euro 13.52
5 West_Med 11.59
6 East_Med 9.43
7 West_Asian 7.96
8 Red_Sea 2.22
9 South_Asian 1.23
10 Siberian 0.53
Do you have kit number?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pribislav
No, he posted his results on Poreklo few day ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ford
He is slightly more southern than me, and a very little bit eastern.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pribislav
https://i.imgur.com/eASgKja.png
That’s where my father plots but his components are different. Also he is from Pomoravlje central SerbiaQuote:
Originally Posted by Dušan
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 22.46
2 North_Sea 20.84
3 Atlantic 11.87
4 East_Med 11.76
5 West_Med 11.56
6 Eastern_Euro 10.57
7 West_Asian 7.18
8 Red_Sea 1.62
9 South_Asian 1.18
10 Oceanian 0.59
11 Amerindian 0.38
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 6.16
2 Hungarian 7.66
3 Croatian 8.17
4 Serbian 8.49
5 Romanian 9
6 Ukrainian_Lviv 10.95
7 Bulgarian 11.09
8 Austrian 11.57
9 Ukrainian 12.23
10 South_Polish 12.57
11 East_German 13.33
12 Polish 15.49
13 Ukrainian_Belgorod 16.18
14 Russian_Smolensk 16.24
15 Greek_Thessaly 16.62
16 Southwest_Russian 16.64
17 Belorussian 17.91
18 Estonian_Polish 18.35
19 West_German 18.4
20 Finnish 18.61
Yeah, it is almost identical result with that Ozren guy, only a pixel difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dick
https://i.imgur.com/W2x3nhP.png
His haplogroup is I-CTS10228_Y4882_A1328. *Quote:
Originally Posted by Dušan
According ti him his paternal line arrived to Ozren from Herzegovina in 18th century.
There is a lot of Montenegrin/Herzegovinian roots in this area. My 3x Great-grandfather on my mother's side arrived on Ozren from Montenegro for example.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pribislav
Ozren Serbs are interesting because they use old Serbian medieval štokavian sub-dialect used in Bosnia known as šćakavian.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ford
Kupres Serbs are also šćakavians. Difference is that Kupres Serbs are ikavian šćakavians, and Ozren Serbs are (i)jekavian šćakavians.
Vlach was social class of sheperds in medieval Serbia, and in early Ottoman time in western Balkan, there is nothing ethnic about that term.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
With time term vlach became insult for Orthodoxes by Catholics, for all Christians by Slavic speaking Muslims, for Serbian/shtokavian speaking Orthodoxes and Catholics by chakavian and Kaykavian speakers.
A da se radije preimenuješ Hrvatom nego da trpaš većinski hrvatska narječja u srpska (šćakavski je jezik pred-Osmanske Slavonije) i postaš Srbe koji su genetski Hrvati kao tipične Gedže ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pribislav
Netačno, predosmanski jezik Slavonije je kajkavica i ima smisla kad Slovenci polažu istorijsko pravo na Slavoniju . :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
Još nisi naučila da postoje genetski Hrvati. Ima vas šaka jada, a klasterirate od Čeha i južnih Poljaka do Crnogoraca i Bugara, ka da ste narod od 60 miliona i da Hrvatska ima jedno 500 000 km/2.
Zato ste i dobili nogom u dupe od nas a čak su vas i Šipci istjerali sa Kosmeta. Srbi svima idu na jetra svojim mitovima i legendama. Presuda = Pribi se stavlja na ignore listu.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pribislav
that guy from Ozren plots like Dick's dad who's a Gedža from PomoravljeQuote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
can pass as an average Serb or a more southern pulled Croat.
Ajmo bre gedze svi u kolo
https://youtu.be/4MEJUaR2WU4
Hey, I don't think on that guy. I think of Atlagić.Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
Tested Atlagić is from same village as Serbian historian and former ministrer in governmant of Republic Serbian of Krajina http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marko_Atlagić
https://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlagi%C4%87
Atlagići (Atlibegovići, Atilbegovići) su bili vrlo ugledna hrvatska plemićka obitelj u Livnu, prozvana tako po svoj prilici po onom Atliagi, koji se proslavio pri zauzeću Klisa 1536., a Atlibegovići po zaimu (lenskom vitezu) Atlibegu, koji se prvi put spominje 1642. godine."
Dakle konvertiti. Na islam i pravoslavlje.
In Croatia, Atlagić families are mainly Serbs, equally Croats (from Sibenik ).
https://actacroatica.com/en/surname/Atlagi%C4%87/
Barišić
https://actacroatica.com/en/surname/Bari%C5%A1i%C4%87/
Barišić families are mainly Croats and they are mostly from Opuzen area. According to some sources they are from Omis, very rarely Serbs.
Borna Barišić, Croatia's national team full-back
https://cdn.footballtransfertavern.c...na-Barisic.jpg
etc.
Smatra se da je pretka od pravoslavnih Atlagića je zarobio Stojan Janković i doveo ga u Dalmaciju, te je on iz islama prešao u pravoslavlje. Oni jesu bili begovska porodica u Livnu.
Pokušavam da saznam y dnk od tog Atlagića od kojeg sam postavio K13 i K15. On je blizak Vrkiću iz Like, Eiću i Slijepčeviću sa Banije kao i Hungry Lionu, i svi su zapadniji od Hrvata.
Another Banija Serb, surname Beić.Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
Population
North_Sea 19.76 Pct
Atlantic 16.65 Pct
Baltic 22.25 Pct
Eastern_Euro 12.34 Pct
West_Med 13.72 Pct
West_Asian 5.16 Pct
East_Med 10.02 Pct
Red_Sea 0.07 Pct
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian 0.03 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
thanks for the unsorted resultsQuote:
Originally Posted by Pribislav
https://i.imgur.com/ennYvHI.png
he plots in the HungryLion zone
Is he 34% Baltic on K13? Just curious.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pribislav
They are not more western than Croats, because that is average only and not a single person plots exactly there. Interesting how Pribislav continues to post these genetic non-Serbs.
And Serbs dare to call Croats fake nation.
All these genetic results just proves lies and manipulation of Serbian ''nationalism''. Banija Serbs are mixed mongrels. Not suprising.
yeah, he could pass as an average Croat. but so could some Serbs from Serbia who are more Germanic or Slavic than average.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
he could also have actual Croat ancestry, why not.
i think Pribislav didn't present him as an average Serb, but as one in the most nortehrn Serbian zone.
Pribislav is always posting Serbs who plot closest to Croats and than trying to present them as pure Serbs to claim we are Serbs.Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
It would be similar if I would post mostly Zagorje Croats who plot with Czechs and than claim Czechs descend from Croats.
There are def. Krajina Serbs who plot like Serbs (Ayetooney's dad, Dušan), but there are plenty with quite suspicious results.
Dušan for example plots quite north, but not in direction of Croats. He is more eastern than we are and his phenotype as well look like a Slavic shifted Serb.
Pribislav never posted his results and he looks like a Croat. I am pretty sure he is mixed, but since he is a Četnik it is painful for him.
As Krajina Serb Pribislav is interested for their genetic, this last train for pure Krajina Serb autosomal because with time they will be more and more mixed with other Serbs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
Result of Serb with father from Banija or Lika and mother from Montenegro or Niš means nothing for understanding of autosomal of Banija or Lika Serbs. Y dna is different, even y dna test of person with Krajina Serb father and Asian mother make sense for Krajina Serb y dna understanding.
I got all these results from Hungry Lion except for Ozren guy. HL is very interested for Banija Serb autosomal, because he is one of them.
Currently I don't have his K13, but I will try to find.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
i found a dozen kits of Serbs from Croatia or West Bosnia, Croats from Mostar region, and South Montenegrins.
https://i.imgur.com/StYIlCq.png
light purple - Herz. Croats i had before
dark purple - new ones
light orange - Cro & B&H Serbs i had before (2 outliers, a Lika Serb with increased South Asian and a B.Krajina Serb which plots like a Montenegrin.)
dark orange - new ones
light green - Montenegrins i had before (one outlier, which was more Slavic than the rest)
dark green - new ones
if somebody wants them, message me.
From where exactly is Serb who ploting more northern than Hungarian average and can you post his K13 and K12b dodecad?Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
Where is that Serb who plots with Magyars from and are you certain he doesn't have foreign admix? I've never seen anyone plot that far away. Same goes with that Montenegrin who plots next to Ford.Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
And how much South Asian does that Lika Serb score? Such an eastern pull would imply he had around 4%, which is something that people who are 1/8 Gypsy would score.
Quote:
Originally Posted by CommonSense
i sent you PMs with more info.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pribislav
Serb who plots with Magyars
Population
North_Atlantic 31.43 Pct
Baltic 31.84 Pct
West_Med 13.96 Pct
West_Asian 9.09 Pct
East_Med 11.60 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.34 Pct
Siberian 1.61 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.10 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarian 2.86
2 Croatian 6.14
3 Austrian 6.65
4 Moldavian 6.81
5 Serbian 7.16
6 East_German 7.58
7 South_Polish 10.77
8 Romanian 11.26
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 11.48
10 Ukrainian 12.46
11 West_German 13.7
12 Bulgarian 13.95
13 Polish 14.74
14 South_Dutch 15.13
15 North_German 16.14
16 Southwest_Russian 16.18
17 Ukrainian_Belgorod 16.46
18 North_Swedish 17
19 Russian_Smolensk 17.44
20 French 17.44
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 88.8% Hungarian + 11.2% Bulgarian @ 2.26
2 86.8% Hungarian + 13.2% Romanian @ 2.31
3 80.3% Hungarian + 19.7% Serbian @ 2.32
4 97.1% Hungarian + 2.9% Abhkasian @ 2.37
5 96.5% Hungarian + 3.5% Balkar @ 2.4
6 97.1% Hungarian + 2.9% Georgian @ 2.41
7 97% Hungarian + 3% Armenian @ 2.42
8 96.7% Hungarian + 3.3% North_Ossetian @ 2.42
9 96.7% Hungarian + 3.3% Adygei @ 2.43
10 96.5% Hungarian + 3.5% Kabardin @ 2.44
11 96.9% Hungarian + 3.1% Ossetian @ 2.46
12 81.6% Hungarian + 18.4% Moldavian @ 2.47
13 97.2% Hungarian + 2.8% Georgian_Jewish @ 2.47
14 96.6% Hungarian + 3.4% Kumyk @ 2.47
15 95.3% Hungarian + 4.7% Central_Greek @ 2.48
16 96.6% Hungarian + 3.4% Turkish @ 2.48
17 94.1% Hungarian + 5.9% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.49
18 97.2% Hungarian + 2.8% Assyrian @ 2.49
19 96.9% Hungarian + 3.1% Cyprian @ 2.49
20 96.8% Hungarian + 3.2% Chechen @ 2.52
Population
Gedrosia 6.79 Pct
Siberian 0.29 Pct
Northwest_African 0.31 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.30 Pct
Atlantic_Med 29.96 Pct
North_European 43.47 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 2.06 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 16.81 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Lika Serb there was one with 1.49 south asian, so i thought it was him plotting there. but it's actually this one. he has high West Asian and East Med, like he is Thracian(not Illyrian)+Slavic. he is similar to some more Slavic Bulgarians. you can see him on previuos plots, he is an outlier from other Lika Serbs and from all Serbs.
North_Sea 11.45
Atlantic 16.49
Baltic 23.24
Eastern_Euro 12.81
West_Med 8.9
West_Asian 11.19
East_Med 12.51
Red_Sea 2.67
South_Asian 0.65
Southeast_Asian 0
Siberian 0
Amerindian 0
Oceanian 0.1
Northeast_African 0
Sub_Saharan 0
that most Slavic Montenegrin i had before (academic sample)
Kit MN4421166
Population
North_Atlantic 26.63 Pct
Baltic 30.05 Pct
West_Med 17.16 Pct
West_Asian 8.13 Pct
East_Med 13.93 Pct
Red_Sea 1.14 Pct
South_Asian 0.56 Pct
East_Asian 1.05 Pct
Siberian 0.24 Pct
Amerindian 1.12 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 3.83
2 Moldavian 5.6
3 Romanian 7.07
4 Croatian 7.12
5 Hungarian 7.42
6 Bulgarian 9.31
7 Austrian 10.79
8 East_German 11.91
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 13.79
10 South_Polish 14.26
11 Ukrainian 14.86
12 West_German 16.73
13 Greek_Thessaly 17.73
14 Polish 17.82
15 South_Dutch 18.15
16 French 18.47
17 Southwest_Russian 18.59
18 Ukrainian_Belgorod 18.91
19 North_Italian 19.13
20 Russian_Smolensk 20.17
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 75.4% Croatian + 24.6% Tuscan @ 1.82
2 58.8% Ukrainian + 41.2% Tuscan @ 1.9
3 78.5% Croatian + 21.5% West_Sicilian @ 1.98
4 62.9% Ukrainian + 37.1% West_Sicilian @ 2.25
5 50.2% Romanian + 49.8% Croatian @ 2.3
6 77.9% Croatian + 22.1% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.37
7 81.2% Croatian + 18.8% South_Italian @ 2.4
8 69.2% Serbian + 30.8% Croatian @ 2.41
9 72.4% Croatian + 27.6% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.42
10 52.8% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 47.2% Tuscan @ 2.54
11 83.7% Croatian + 16.3% Italian_Jewish @ 2.55
12 79.2% Moldavian + 20.8% North_Italian @ 2.56
13 83.8% Serbian + 16.2% Ukrainian @ 2.57
14 69% Romanian + 31% Ukrainian @ 2.59
15 50.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 49.7% North_Italian @ 2.59
16 60.8% Ukrainian_Lviv + 39.2% Tuscan @ 2.59
17 74.1% Croatian + 25.9% North_Italian @ 2.59
18 72.8% Romanian + 27.2% Polish @ 2.62
19 64% South_Polish + 36% West_Sicilian @ 2.65
20 64.1% Serbian + 35.9% Moldavian @ 2.65
new Most Slavic Montenegrin #1
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 32.48
2 North_Atlantic 27.03
3 West_Med 15.27
4 East_Med 13.77
5 West_Asian 10.42
6 Siberian 0.79
7 East_Asian 0.2
8 Amerindian 0.03
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 4.47
2 Serbian 5.52
3 Croatian 5.74
4 Hungarian 6.75
5 Romanian 8.76
6 Austrian 10.8
7 Bulgarian 10.85
8 East_German 11.67
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 12.02
10 South_Polish 12.23
11 Ukrainian 13.02
12 Polish 16
13 Southwest_Russian 16.32
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 16.48
15 West_German 17.51
16 Russian_Smolensk 18.12
17 Estonian_Polish 18.71
18 South_Dutch 19.01
19 Belorussian 19.18
20 Greek_Thessaly 19.77
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 53.1% Bulgarian + 46.9% South_Polish @ 1.98
2 58.6% Romanian + 41.4% South_Polish @ 2.1
3 60.3% Romanian + 39.7% Ukrainian @ 2.39
4 68.9% South_Polish + 31.1% Central_Greek @ 2.41
5 72% South_Polish + 28% South_Italian @ 2.5
6 65.3% Romanian + 34.7% Polish @ 2.5
7 73.8% Romanian + 26.2% Lithuanian @ 2.64
8 62.1% South_Polish + 37.9% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.66
9 62.1% Croatian + 37.9% Romanian @ 2.67
10 77.1% Serbian + 22.9% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.68
11 66.7% Ukrainian + 33.3% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.68
12 60% Bulgarian + 40% Polish @ 2.69
13 68.3% Romanian + 31.7% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.72
14 73.3% Romanian + 26.7% Estonian @ 2.75
15 67.6% Croatian + 32.4% Bulgarian @ 2.76
16 69.5% Romanian + 30.5% Belorussian @ 2.76
17 72.7% Serbian + 27.3% Ukrainian @ 2.78
18 68.2% South_Polish + 31.8% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.8
19 77.2% Serbian + 22.8% Southwest_Russian @ 2.81
20 68.5% Bulgarian + 31.5% Estonian @ 2.83
new Most Slavic Montenegrin #2
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 33.46
2 North_Atlantic 25.48
3 East_Med 15.57
4 West_Med 14.67
5 West_Asian 7.45
6 Siberian 1.89
7 Amerindian 0.54
8 Red_Sea 0.48
9 Oceanian 0.24
10 Sub-Saharan 0.14
11 Northeast_African 0.08
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 5.24
2 Croatian 6.3
3 Serbian 6.41
4 Hungarian 7.98
5 Romanian 9.38
6 Bulgarian 11.07
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 12.02
8 South_Polish 12.44
9 Austrian 12.56
10 Ukrainian 12.83
11 East_German 13.2
12 Southwest_Russian 15.71
13 Polish 16
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 16.28
15 Russian_Smolensk 17.81
16 Estonian_Polish 18.06
17 Belorussian 18.57
18 West_German 19.22
19 Greek_Thessaly 19.72
20 Kargopol_Russian 19.86
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 67.5% Bulgarian + 32.5% Estonian @ 2.39
2 74% Ukrainian + 26% Italian_Jewish @ 2.54
3 63.1% Bulgarian + 36.9% Belorussian @ 2.55
4 69.4% Ukrainian + 30.6% Ashkenazi @ 2.66
5 53.4% Greek_Thessaly + 46.6% Estonian @ 2.69
6 62.5% Bulgarian + 37.5% Estonian_Polish @ 2.71
7 60.7% Southwest_Russian + 39.3% Tuscan @ 2.72
8 70.1% South_Polish + 29.9% Ashkenazi @ 2.76
9 67.2% Romanian + 32.8% Belorussian @ 2.83
10 66.6% Romanian + 33.4% Estonian_Polish @ 2.84
11 51.5% Belorussian + 48.5% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.86
12 63.8% Southwest_Russian + 36.2% West_Sicilian @ 2.86
13 67.7% Bulgarian + 32.3% Finnish @ 2.97
14 53.9% Bulgarian + 46.1% Ukrainian @ 2.98
15 63.4% Romanian + 36.6% Southwest_Russian @ 3
16 74.2% Ukrainian + 25.8% Sephardic_Jewish @ 3
17 53.1% Bulgarian + 46.9% South_Polish @ 3.01
18 68.4% Bulgarian + 31.6% Lithuanian @ 3.01
19 68.7% Bulgarian + 31.3% East_Finnish @ 3.04
20 74.8% South_Polish + 25.2% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.04
^^^^ First one plot and has gedmatch like a fully ethnic Hungarian.
this is the main Hungarian cluster with all those academic samples added. so the Hungarian average is pretty accurate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
https://i.imgur.com/8t67LxV.png
i noticed everybody still likes this old Tolan map the most, because it's easy to orientate because of the large symbols, i often read posts like "i plot near the M of Moldovian", etc. so i'm gonna post it more now.
Those two Montenegrins score very high Baltic (32-33 percent)!