What I mean by what I said is I used ancestry.ca to research family trees, which go surprisingly far back. I managed to trace some relatives back to the 1700s. But I will look into that, thanks.
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What I mean by what I said is I used ancestry.ca to research family trees, which go surprisingly far back. I managed to trace some relatives back to the 1700s. But I will look into that, thanks.
Same applies to MyHeritage, and in fact a larger proportion of my relevant matches on MyHeritage have trees.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vega7
I didn't know that there have been many recent Greek settlers. Is this kind of ancestry more common in some specific region/microregion, or just random?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
Usually it was found in Wallachian towns and especially Bucharest, but sporadically it was more prominent around Buzau area. Nowadays, it is mostly concentrated in Constanta and almost completely assimilated in Bucharest. There is one village Izvoarele that is 44% Greek nowadays. 150 years ago it was fully Greek.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marsa
https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comuna_Izvoarele,_Tulcea
Wow, I really had no idea. I would bet on the coastal part, but this Buzau is more hinterland, at least it seems to be on the map. Interesting. Is this also why Wallachians can plot more southern?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
should also mention almost each village had a Greek landlord from 18th to mid 20th century in Wallachia and Moldova (at least West of Prut). Greeks ran the administrative affairs in place of our Ottoman masters. they took public office and religious higher ranks as well. a lot of Greek genes should have entered local pool back then, we know boyars were fcking village girlsQuote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
Sorry, I always confuse the two. I meant Braila and not Buzau. It was the most important port in Wallachia from where trade with the Ottomans and the rest of the world was carried by sea. Greeks usually came through there here, and many chose to settle in that region. Dobrogea region at that point was not controlled by neither Wallachia nor Moldavia, so this was the coastal part.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marsa
any thoughts?
Eurogenes K13
1) my maternal grandma, northwest Vaslui county, central Moldova region, Romania:
Baltic 32.6
North_Atlantic 20.1
East_Med 17.44
West_Med 17.25
West_Asian 9.69
South_Asian 1.11
East_Asian 1.04
Oceanian 0.45
Amerindian 0.2
Siberian 0.12
2) my dad, northwest Suceava county, Bucovina subregion, northwest Moldova region, Romania:
Baltic 34.47
North_Atlantic 23.54
East_Med 14.57
West_Med 12.6
West_Asian 9.47
Siberian 2.37
East_Asian 1.37
Red_Sea 0.77
Amerindian 0.52
South_Asian 0.31
3) myself:
Baltic 30.82
North_Atlantic 25.1
West_Med 16.37
West_Asian 11.64
East_Med 11.34
Siberian 1.3
South_Asian 1.23
East_Asian 1
Sub-Saharan 0.61
Amerindian 0.43
Red_Sea 0.1
Oceanian 0.03
4) friend, northeast Neamt county, westcentral Moldova region, Romania:
Baltic 27.16
North_Atlantic 21.37
East_Med 16.39
West_Med 14.7
West_Asian 13.67
Red_Sea 2.63
Siberian 1.96
East_Asian 1.68
5) friend, southeast Neamt county, Csángóföld subregion, Moldova region, Romania:
North_Atlantic 29.12
Baltic 28.03
West_Med 15.43
East_Med 10.47
West_Asian 8.63
Siberian 2.88
Red_Sea 2.26
East_Asian 1.22
Amerindian 0.91
Oceanian 0.73
Sub-Saharan 0.33
6) friend, father Botosani county, northern Moldova region, mother southern Iasi county, central Moldova region, Romania:
Baltic 33.55
North_Atlantic 22.52
West_Med 15.3
East_Med 13.39
West_Asian 9.67
Red_Sea 2.08
Siberian 1.78
7) friend, Botosani county, northern Moldova region, Romania:
Baltic 35.57
North_Atlantic 26.45
East_Med 13.66
West_Med 13.57
West_Asian 4.89
Siberian 2.65
Oceanian 1.05
South_Asian 0.89
Amerindian 0.82
East_Asian 0.44
where these counties are (Suceava, Botosani, Iasi, Vaslui, Neamt):
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...a_counties.png
Hello everyone, I'm back. I'll take it slow though, because life is quite busy right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nurzat
Normal results for those regions
From Sirauti village in Briceni district (Edinet county) - talks about some Ukrainian ancestry on paternal side.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...County.svg.png
HTML Code:N_Atlantic Baltic West_Med West_Asian East_Med Red_Sea South_Asian East_Asian Siberian Amerindian Oceanian NE_African Sub-Saharan
28.79 32.92 13.37 6.97 10.1 2.14 1.95 0 2.66 0 0.49 0.63 0
Distance to: Sirauti
3.00609381 Hungarian
3.56390236 Croat_Northern
3.84193961 Hungarian_North
4.09156449 Croat
4.77806446 Austrian_Carinthia
4.78817293 Slovene
5.05309806 Csángó-Ceangău
5.64921233 Croat_Southern
5.82176090 Hungarian_Transylvania
5.88130938 Slovak
6.04630466 Ukrainian_Carpathians
6.12971451 Lemko_Poland
6.45126344 Moldovan_North
6.67078706 Bosniak
6.71184773 Romanian_North
6.73035660 Austrian_Styria
6.93337580 Czech
7.79003851 Moldovan_Central
7.90501107 Ukrainian_Galicia
9.42042462 Serb
10.58264617 Austrian
10.67048734 Polish_Subcarpathia
10.69832697 Polish_South
11.14704445 Sorb
11.14919728 Ukrainian_South
His G25 coordinates
https://i.imgur.com/aPeGGiJ.png
From Campulung Moldovenesc in Suceava county
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...omania.svg.png
Distance to: CampulungHTML Code:N_Atlantic Baltic West_Med West_Asian East_Med Red_Sea South_Asian East_Asian Siberian Amerindian Oceanian NE_African Sub-Saharan
28.40 31.58 16.69 5.61 13.26 0 1.20 0.00 1.60 0.44 0 1.23 0
3.81287293 Croat
3.93719443 Croat_Southern
4.76456714 Hungarian
4.78825647 Hungarian_Transylvania
5.37935870 Csángó-Ceangău
5.44453855 Romanian_North
5.54289635 Croat_Northern
5.68257864 Bosniak
6.09105902 Austrian_Carinthia
6.49859985 Hungarian_North
6.51787542 Serb
6.69300381 Slovene
6.91906063 Moldovan_Central
7.23410672 Moldovan_North
7.83915174 Lemko_Poland
8.14749041 Austrian_Styria
8.68042050 Ukrainian_Carpathians
9.07385254 Romanian_Centre
9.11769159 Slovak
9.51620723 Montenegrin
9.73566125 Romanian
10.25646138 Czech
10.34364056 Moldovan_South
10.76046003 Austrian
11.24522565 Ukrainian_Galicia
Thread for the most up-to-date Global 25 (G25) averages
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...(G25)-Averages
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Spoiler!
His 2025 update (only for those on v5 chip)
Insanely accurate that they assigned him the Lower Raut genetic group, if you ask me. That's where the shared ancestry comes from, since my father's line is from there.
Spoiler!
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Name N_Atlantic Baltic West_Med West_Asian East_Med Red_Sea South_Asian East_Asian Siberian Amerindian Oceanian NE_African Sub-Saharan Telenesti (2/4 Chitcanii Vechi, 1/4 Chistelnita, 1/4 Braviceni Orhei) 21.61 33.76 14.50 6.75 16.04 1.85 1.42 0.97 2.42 0.55 0.13 0 0
All 4 grandparents from Botosani
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...omania.svg.png
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N_Atlantic Baltic West_Med West_Asian East_Med Red_Sea South_Asian East_Asian Siberian Amerindian Oceanian NE_African Sub-Saharan 24.60 33.17 13.04 6.15 16.13 3.13 1.10 1.14 1.22 0.32 0 0 0
Distance to: Botosani 4.44622312 Bosniak_Southeast 4.73440598 Romanian_Moldavia_North 4.93452125 Croat_Bosnia 4.94377386 Croat_Herzegovina 5.14119636 Croat_Slavonia 5.14657167 Bosniak_Krajina_West 5.18697407 Moldovan_Central 5.31020715 Serb_NorthEastBosnia 5.42496083 Moldovan_North 5.65945227 Croat_Istria 5.70329729 Bosniak_Central 5.79422126 Serb_CentralCroatia 5.79685259 Serb_WestSerbia 5.83271806 Romanian_Ukraine 5.88374031 Croat_Dalmatia 5.89213034 Croat_Lika 5.96646461 Bosniak_Krajina_East 6.04723904 Serb_Lika 6.26942581 Serb_EastSerbia 6.27321289 Romanian_Moldavia_Central 6.30203935 Serb_CentralSerbia 6.32253114 Croat_Kvarner 6.50958524 Serb_BosanskaKrajina 6.68053142 Romanian_Maramureş 6.90344117 Hungarian_Partium&Banat
Distance to: Repent_K13Quote:
Originally Posted by AnthrogenicaRefugee
14.79241698 Campulung
What is a good distances for K13? Can you send some more K13 coordinates (compiled in one post)?
I think under 4 is very close for K13. For G25 under 3.Quote:
Originally Posted by Repent
Distance to: IonBasescul_MH 3.13724401 Moldovan_Central 3.75779190 Romanian_Moldavia_Central 3.94062178 Serb_BosanskaKrajina 4.32984988 Moldovan_North 4.34055296 Romanian_Moldavia_North
Distance to: IonBasescul_grandpa_FTDNA 4.58569515 Moldovan_South 5.86911407 Serb_EastSerbia 6.07882390 Bosniak_Southeast 6.35278679 Serb_SouthSerbia 6.55064119 Serb_CentralSerbia
Distance to: IonBasescul_mom_MH 6.21001610 Moldovan_North 7.32673870 Bosniak_Northeast 7.56439026 Croat_Herzegovina 7.67313495 Bosniak_Krajina_East 7.76073450 Moldovan_Central
Distance to: IonBasescul_brother_MH 4.60902376 Moldovan_Central 4.62090900 Moldovan_North 5.69858754 Croat_Herzegovina 5.76908138 Bosniak_Krajina_East 5.95853170 Serb_BosanskaKrajina
Distance to: IonBasescul_Merged 2.93032421 Csángó-Ceangău 3.18783626 Hungarian_Székely 3.19723318 Romanian_Maramureş 3.52147696 Romanian_Moldavia_North 3.59986111 Hungarian_Transylvania
Distance to: IonBasescul_dad_MH 3.54032484 Moldovan_North 3.58160579 Romanian_Ukraine 3.98572453 Moldovan_Central 4.16371229 Romanian_Moldavia_North 4.31315430 Bosniak_Central
Distance to: IonBasescul_grandma_FTDNA 3.97409109 Ukrainian_Carpathians 4.95452319 Ukrainian_Moldova 5.10190161 Bosniak_Northeast 5.82981989 Bosniak_Central 5.91425397 Lemko_Poland
This is what I use
Code:Albanian_North_Albania,21.48,18.41,22.78,10.39,23.35,2.57,0.17,0.16,0.14,0.18,0.20,0.01,0.00
Albanian_Central_Albania,21.17,13.98,23.46,12.39,2 4.91,2.48,0.30,0.28,0.29,0.20,0.35,0.16,0.03
Albanian_South_Albania,21.54,15.61,21.75,10.75,25.94,2.71,0.14,0.35,0.36,0.41,0.18,0.08,0.13
Albanian_Catholic_Mirdite,24.45,9.23,23.55,14.39,23.87,3.05,0,1.18,0,0,0,0,0
Albanian_Kosovo,22.98,17.85,21.52,11.70,22.08,2.28,0.29,0.39,0.23,0.21,0.37,0.02,0.01
Albanian_Macedonia,21.49,18.34,21.19,10.16,24.08,3.02,0.10,0.49,0.29,0.30,0.52,0.01,0.00
Albanian_Montenegro,23.57,20.91,20.13,10.70,21.04,2.21,0.08,0.24,0.34,0.32,0.34,0.11,0.00
Aromanian,21.26,20.34,19.00,11.77,22.61,3.09,0.18,0.47,0.47,0.41,0.38,0.04,0.00
Austrian_Burgenland,38.13,26.01,13.17,6.50,12.79,0.87,0.36,0.27,0.62,0.24,0.71,0.00,0.32
Austrian_Carinthia,32.36,33.44,14.41,6.52,10.49,1.02,0.34,0.00,0.64,0.27,0.33,0.04,0.07
Austrian_Lower_Austria,37.42,24.75,17.87,8.14,7.73,1.585,0.97,0.24,0.425,0.225,0.64,0,0
Austrian_Salzburg-Upper_Austria,39.31,26.14,14.78,6.64,9.49,1.64,1.06,0.17,0.22,0.23,0.29,0.03,0.00
Austrian_Styria,34.20,31.69,15.07,7.48,8.45,0.79,0.31,0.33,0.77,0.19,0.16,0.21,0.36
Austrian_Tyrol,36.88,20.87,18.12,8.21,11.75,1.88,0.20,0.34,0.72,0.52,0.33,0.00,0.07
Basque_France,52.62,6.10,35.86,0.35,3.07,0.31,0.32,0.65,0.06,0.08,0.30,0.22,0.04
Belarusian_Minsk,27.19,49.58,9.18,4.63,4.58,0.53,1.26,0.24,1.21,0.72,0.43,0.21,0.22
Bosniak_Central,26.10,33.87,14.28,8.71,12.17,1.25,2.04,0.25,0.43,0.73,0.05,0.10,0.00
Bosniak_Krajina_East,25.42,33.26,15.78,8.81,12.06,1.94,0.54,0.43,0.22,0.93,0.36,0.15,0.11
Bosniak_Krajina_West,26.69,31.26,15.12,8.56,15.05,0.86,0.47,0.54,0.23,0.64,0.37,0.20,0.03
Bosniak_Northeast,25.74,35.57,13.91,9.65,11.05,1.57,0.70,0.22,0.63,0.21,0.32,0.15,0.30
Bosniak_Southeast,25.02,31.16,15.91,7.77,16.02,1.31,0.97,0.36,0.45,0.56,0.26,0.14,0.06
Bosniak_Sandzak_East,24.06,24.17,19.27,10.64,18.34,1.68,0.20,0.36,0.37,0.53,0.38,0.00,0.01
Bosniak_Sandzak_West,25.93,27.82,16.78,10.46,14.89,2.04,0.36,0.24,0.11,0.55,0.39,0.04,0.27
British_Ulster,51.18,23.11,12.98,7.01,2.15,0.56,1.14,0.13,0.21,0.73,0.51,0.12,0.09
Bulgarian_Moldova,22.16,20.14,18.01,13.21,20.12,3.13,1.58,0.27,0.85,0.27,0.20,0.00,0.08
Bulgarian_Northcentral,21.30,24.45,17.41,11.88,19.86,2.33,0.65,0.28,0.99,0.37,0.28,0.07,0.14
Bulgarian_Northeastern,22.15,22.37,17.46,13.43,19.44,2.56,0.46,0.32,0.49,0.24,0.29,0.11,0.10
Bulgarian_Northwestern,22.04,26.19,17.58,10.15,19.05,2.31,0.40,0.52,0.70,0.51,0.38,0.07,0.09
Bulgarian_Southcentral,21.22,23.73,18.05,11.66,20.32,2.41,0.57,0.37,0.85,0.21,0.29,0.24,0.04
Bulgarian_Southeastern,20.13,21.81,18.44,13.87,20.44,2.92,0.43,0.30,0.48,0.44,0.47,0.11,0.07
Bulgarian_Southwestern,22.85,24.04,17.87,11.48,18.68,2.26,0.58,0.51,0.85,0.44,0.33,0.06,0.06
Cornish,50.74,22.64,14.54,5.18,3.71,0.60,0.82,0.12,0.06,0.70,0.52,0.17,0.14
Croat_Bosnia,26.51,32.35,15.57,8.02,13.77,1.43,0.59,0.29,0.49,0.48,0.34,0.10,0.07
Croat_Central,29.40,34.03,14.89,7.02,10.88,1.28,0.52,0.22,0.47,0.45,0.41,0.24,0.13
Croat_Dalmatia,26.36,31.49,16.09,8.84,13.31,1.57,0.44,0.30,0.54,0.48,0.35,0.10,0.11
Croat_GorskiKotar,31.45,32.69,14.41,7.40,10.30,1.19,0.67,0.29,0.54,0.52,0.30,0.13,0.11
Croat_Herzegovina,24.93,32.69,15.99,8.60,14.10,1.28,0.55,0.19,0.55,0.48,0.40,0.04,0.11
Croat_Istria,27.52,31.63,15.79,7.79,13.90,1.06,0.52,0.38,0.48,0.37,0.35,0.18,0.05
Croat_Kvarner,28.57,32.45,14.23,8.28,12.57,1.24,0.49,0.36,0.68,0.23,0.43,0.13,0.12
Croat_Lika,27.50,32.41,15.69,7.72,12.86,1.28,0.35,0.19,0.69,0.56,0.55,0.08,0.12
Croat_Northwest,31.23,34.80,13.68,6.85,8.93,1.29,0.54,0.44,0.50,0.97,0.41,0.20,0.16
Croat_Slavonia,26.53,33.17,15.98,7.53,13.91,0.80,0.77,0.17,0.51,0.56,0.43,0.02,0.07
Csángó-Ceangău,27.60,29.46,15.34,8.91,11.04,1.51,0.87,1.07,2.64,0.81,0.47,0.15,0.15
Cypriot_Greek,5.67,2.81,19.86,20.34,41.08,8.12,0.5,0.07,0.23,0,0.47,0.3,0.54
Cypriot_Turkish,5.87,3.86,18.77,18.36,36.95,8.38,2.06,0.64,1.47,0.3,0,1.95,1.31
Czech,32.33,37.42,11.45,5.60,8.50,1.59,1.15,0.44,0.51,0.91,0.00,0.05,0.06
Danish,50.61,28.70,10.19,5.00,2.12,0.52,0.99,0.19,0.42,0.59,0.23,0.12,0.17
Dutch_Friesland,50.73,26.51,10.13,5.47,2.96,0.98,0.93,0.41,0.55,0.55,0.35,0.24,0.17
Dutch_Gelderland,49.49,24.49,10.96,5.31,5.13,1.47,0.87,0.15,0.40,0.62,0.46,0.44,0.22
Dutch_Limburg,44.93,22.84,15.47,5.29,7.60,1.18,0.66,0.35,0.41,0.37,0.39,0.31,0.21
Dutch_Overijssel,50.90,25.88,10.89,4.48,3.42,1.44,0.70,0.50,0.31,0.64,0.41,0.27,0.15
Dutch_North-Brabant,47.43,23.21,14.44,5.54,4.69,1.35,1.09,0.33,0.50,0.51,0.32,0.38,0.21
Dutch_North-Holland,50.41,24.90,10.89,5.34,3.28,1.48,1.29,0.39,0.45,0.66,0.48,0.09,0.35
Dutch_South-Holland,48.73,24.88,13.01,5.44,4.16,0.87,0.76,0.32,0.33,0.58,0.45,0.27,0.21
English_East,48.54,23.36,13.77,5.39,5.07,0.90,1.02,0.29,0.39,0.57,0.27,0.29,0.14
English_East-Midlands,48.97,23.84,14.00,5.58,4.20,0.79,1.01,0.14,0.15,0.47,0.43,0.20,0.21
English_Lancashire,50.89,23.67,13.16,5.16,3.51,0.75,0.92,0.17,0.19,0.71,0.38,0.23,0.19
English_Northeast,49.79,24.26,13.35,5.85,3.28,0.88,0.94,0.11,0.32,0.64,0.33,0.16,0.10
English_Southeast,49.15,23.47,13.59,5.88,4.24,0.72,1.15,0.15,0.24,0.57,0.44,0.23,0.16
English_Southwest,50.08,22.97,14.42,5.47,3.37,0.69,1.16,0.17,0.30,0.57,0.45,0.19,0.16
English_West-Midlands,49.72,23.48,13.55,5.63,4.13,0.51,1.11,0.18,0.29,0.50,0.39,0.26,0.17
English_Yorkshire,50.94,23.71,13.02,5.52,3.09,0.73,1.06,0.10,0.21,0.71,0.52,0.14,0.20
Estonian,32.93,50.58,6.76,2.45,0.57,0.09,0.95,0.05,3.51,1.35,0.61,0.04,0.09
Finnish_East,30.71,49.54,4.49,1.63,0.22,0.82,1.48,0.70,8.59,0.71,0.69,0.05,0.37
Finnish_Southwest,38.50,43.46,6.96,1.93,1.34,0.49,0.69,0.10,4.96,1.10,0.25,0.14,0.08
Flemish,45.98,22.82,15.31,5.27,7.14,0.71,0.92,0.25,0.21,0.53,0.43,0.28,0.15
French_Alsace,40.65,22.72,16.81,6.48,9.58,1.60,0.39,0.47,0.25,0.36,0.27,0.16,0.26
French_Aquitaine,48.66,8.17,33.52,0.65,5.51,1.30,0.57,0.37,0.25,0.42,0.29,0.14,0.14
French_Brittany,48.09,21.85,16.48,5.21,5.36,0.25,0.94,0.07,0.17,1.00,0.11,0.33,0.15
French_Hauts-de-France,44.29,20.14,16.97,4.92,8.80,1.31,1.36,0.70,0.51,0.36,0.19,0.24,0.22
French_Central,42.40,18.28,20.55,4.81,9.80,1.59,0.49,0.26,0.36,0.46,0.37,0.38,0.24
French_Corsica,26.74,9.01,28.48,6.84,23.99,3.65,0.18,0.18,0.21,0.17,0.45,0.1,0
French_Normandy,45.87,21.69,16.70,5.21,6.96,0.92,0.56,0.20,0.76,0.58,0.24,0.05,0.25
French_Northeast,43.27,20.59,17.19,6.01,8.41,1.49,0.81,0.36,0.38,0.48,0.30,0.27,0.43
French_Provence_outlier,35.19,14.10,22.05,6.40,17.59,2.34,0.36,0.26,0.26,0.40,0.37,0.42,0.24
French_South,41.77,14.33,26.39,2.70,10.79,1.43,0.55,0.18,0.26,0.58,0.53,0.33,0.17
Gagauz,19.35,22.92,18.13,13.07,21.02,2.46,0.65,0.37,0.91,0.33,0.51,0.21,0.07
German_Baden-Württemberg,40.95,22.52,15.86,6.68,10.49,1.08,0.82,0.32,0.38,0.32,0.41,0.08,0.09
German_Bavaria_Lower/Middle_Franconia,41.67,25.11,14.84,6.45,8.45,0.89,0.95,0.15,0.18,0.56,0.10,0.48,0.16
German_Bavaria_Oberpfalz,39.57,26.56,14.43,6.52,9.59,0.26,1.44,0.05,0.27,0.75,0.44,0.09,0.04
German_Bavaria_Proper,40.02,23.94,15.40,7.03,10.46,1.26,0.35,0.29,0.25,0.58,0.36,0.04,0.00
German_Bavarian_Swabia,34.71,26.3,19.15,7.19,11.37,0,0,0,0,0.37,0.4,0,0.46
German_Brandenburg_Northwest,42.26,31.81,11.86,6.84,3.28,0.18,1.52,0.16,0.05,0.82,0.68,0.45,0.11
German_Brandenburg_Outlier(Beeskow),26.92,44.46,14.49,5.95,6.25,0,0,0.72,0,0.17,0.74,0,0.3
German_County_Glatz,35.77,31.04,14.63,8.13,7.64,0.3,0,1.02,0,0.72,0,0.72,0
German_East_Prussia_Central,46.40,36.05,9.33,1.39,2.77,2.18,0,0.12,0.19,0.31,0.99,0.18,0.09
German_East_Prussia_Masuria,31.98,45.88,10.09,4.25,2.47,0.83,1.57,0.23,1.17,0.64,0.30,0.02,0.58
German_East_Prussia_Memelland,29.91,52.02,10.63,3.88,0,0,1.83,0,0.81,0.58,0,0,0.34
German_Farther_Pomerania,39.63,37.84,10.16,4.07,4.56,0.66,1.26,0.18,0.31,0.26,0.38,0.54,0.16
German_Frisian,55.45,25.92,9.33,2.93,1.79,1.02,2.22,0,0.33,0,1,0,0
German_Hamburg,50.83,28.92,8.41,3.93,4.04,1.33,1.32,0,0.62,0.15,0,0.45,0
German_Hither_Pomerania,43.825,32.395,11.415,5.735,3.815,0.35,0.545,0.72,0.44,0.475,0.05,0.24,0
German_Lower_Saxony_North,49.55,27.97,10.58,6.26,2.15,0.25,1.64,0.39,0.16,0.19,0.54,0.32,0.00
German_Lower_Saxony_South,48.78,25.87,11.39,6.78,3.82,0.44,1.48,0.00,0.51,0.31,0.04,0.12,0.45
German_Lower_Silesia,34.34,36.33,12.87,6.99,6.65,0,0.6,0,0.31,0.85,0.34,0.47,0.23
German_Mecklenburg_Center/East,42.39,32.89,11.32,5.1,5.27,0.54,0.89,0,0,1.13,0,0,0.47
German_Mecklenburg_West,45.13,33.44,9.22,6.21,3.28,0.16,0.49,0.62,0.34,0.34,0.33,0.43,0.00
German_North_Bohemia,38.27,31.61,13.93,5.63,7.42,0.38,0.90,0.53,0.10,0.41,0.50,0.00,0.31
German_North_Hesse,43.69,22.35,14.83,4.48,10.49,1.78,0,0.69,0,0.86,0.22,0,0.6
German_North_Moravia,40.94,27.21,13.27,7.36,7.57,1.49,1.04,0,0,0.48,0.19,0.46,0
German_North_Rhine,43.36,21.95,15.88,7.62,8.34,0.62,0.96,0.13,0.23,0.17,0.38,0.23,0.13
German_Rhineland-Palatinate,43.70,20.42,16.37,5.35,10.49,1.47,0.49,0.12,0.52,0.36,0.47,0.09,0.16
German_Rhineland-Palatinate_East_of_Rhine,46.37,21.92,13.75,6.97,7.95,2.21,0.46,0.00,0.00,0.03,0.00,0.20,0.15
German_Saarland,43.50,20.17,18.47,5.85,9.04,1.30,1.03,0.00,0.20,0.12,0.04,0.17,0.09
German_Saxony,38.88,30.83,13.16,6.57,7.10,1.36,0.27,0.02,0.31,0.40,0.29,0.61,0.21
German_Saxony-Anhalt_South,41.19,31.63,11.12,5.16,7.34,1.02,0.62,0.25,0.28,0.56,0.50,0.20,0.12
German_Schleswig-Holstein,50.10,27.37,11.64,4.30,3.42,0.70,0.43,0.23,0.23,0.79,0.37,0.08,0.36
German_South_Hesse,41.78,21.94,17.52,5.66,8.80,1.50,0.66,0.33,0.41,0.56,0.46,0.11,0.27
German_Thuringia_Central,38.63,30.19,13.73,4.49,9.55,0.38,1.70,0.00,0.25,0.47,0.75,0.00,0.00
German_Thuringia_East,37.78,32.62,11.52,6.80,7.19,1.13,0.84,0.24,0.64,0.67,0.47,0.00,0.07
German_West_Bohemia,38.06,27.32,15.52,7.55,9.66,0,0.17,0,0.4,0.58,0.74,0,0
German_West_Prussia,36.87,38.43,11.15,5.97,4.70,0.16,0.84,0.00,0.72,0.40,0.33,0.13,0.29
German_Westphalia,48.90,25.72,11.45,6.87,3.44,0.81,1.08,0.20,0.26,0.57,0.25,0.06,0.39
Greek_Athens,18,12.97,21.34,14.07,27.58,3.93,0.36,0.53,0.32,0.18,0.27,0.16,0.28
Greek_Cappadocia,6.02,3.11,16.96,28.66,37.29,5.82,1.07,0.15,0.63,0.08,0.21,0,0
Greek_Central,17.81,13.51,20.59,14.66,27.3,4.05,0.6,0.29,0.33,0.42,0.4,0.03,0.01
Greek_CentralMacedonia,18.75,18.2,20.84,12.78,24.45,2.69,0.61,0.32,0.41,0.43,0.26,0.15,0.12
Greek_Crete,13.27,8.94,19.48,18.05,32.46,5.55,0.55,0.35,0.27,0.16,0.33,0.39,0.19
Greek_Dodecanese,10.53,5.27,20.42,19.62,35.88,6.29,0.64,0.61,0.11,0.08,0.24,0.27,0.04
Greek_Peloponnese,18.52,15.57,20.38,12.29,27.35,4.01,0.16,0.28,0.42,0.24,0.50,0.10,0.18
Greek_Smyrna&Phokaia,16.63,11.89,20.53,15.6,29.3,4.24,0.1,0.62,0.28,0.19,0.37,0.2,0.06
Greek_Thessaly,20.57,16.87,20.64,11.95,24.54,3.49,0.45,0.4,0.37,0.53,0.31,0.04,0.11
Greek_Istanbul,14.51,13.84,19.26,15.46,30.96,4.48,0.20,0.12,0.37,0.00,0.68,0.17,0.00
Greek_Thrace,19.62,20.71,18.73,13.71,23.32,0.49,0.52,0.45,0.51,0.14,0.83,0.27,0.72
Greek_West,18.22,18.63,20.5,13.48,24.98,2.64,0,0.63,0.34,0.13,0.37,0.05,0.05
Greek_Pontus,2.31,1.6,15.84,37.71,36.38,3.88,1.29,0.32,0.22,0.04,0.36,0.01,0.03
Greek_Cyclades,17.87,9.96,20.68,15.25,28.66,4.63,0.1,0.57,0.5,0.54,0.53,0.16,0.08
Greek_Lefkada,20.6,11.93,21.04,9.4,31.18,3.6,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
Greek_Achaea,18.03,17.36,20.32,13.86,25.45,3.07,0.00,0.15,0.28,0.34,0.75,0.33,0.05
Greek_Andros,17.49,7.08,20.60,13.75,33.45,5.18,0.00,0.64,0.48,0.42,0.44,0.26,0.22
Greek_Arcadia,18.67,15.99,22.74,11.72,25.92,3.52,0.00,0.20,0.29,0.25,0.11,0.60,0.00
Greek_Chios,12.44,7.95,20.50,18.87,33.30,5.32,0.34,0.28,0.24,0.11,0.30,0.33,0.04
Greek_Cyprus,7.55,2.17,20.48,19.47,41.02,7.60,0.14,0.46,0.15,0.02,0.27,0.67,0.00
Greek_Deep_Mani,15.21,8.70,20.91,14.82,32.69,5.67,0.26,0.50,0.10,0.24,0.52,0.39,0.00
Greek_Epirus,20.37,17.42,19.60,13.54,25.79,1.85,0.00,0.00,0.93,0.00,0.44,0.00,0.06
Greek_Euboea_South,20.06,14.63,22.07,12.29,25.65,4.18,0.05,0.35,0.13,0.21,0.28,0.06,0.01
Greek_Florina,21.38,20.79,20.04,11.18,23.01,2.09,0.23,0.29,0.51,0.17,0.27,0.03,0.02
Greek_Ikaria,12.91,7.77,21.44,16.75,33.87,5.34,1.01,0.23,0.17,0.01,0.45,0.04,0.00
Greek_Kalymnos,11.96,6.79,20.84,18.43,35.00,5.30,0.61,0.28,0.02,0.06,0.27,0.40,0.04
Greek_Karpathos,10.68,5.74,20.58,19.19,34.18,7.47,0.86,0.64,0.14,0.09,0.00,0.30,0.13
Greek_Kastellorizo,9.57,3.93,19.32,20.10,40.03,5.21,0.04,0.53,0.11,0.04,0.49,0.52,0.11
Greek_Kefalonia,17.53,11.97,21.39,14.65,28.21,4.91,0.28,0.16,0.23,0.25,0.32,0.12,0.00
Greek_Konya,6.50,4.87,19.02,26.51,35.81,5.20,0.94,0.07,0.55,0.03,0.51,0.00,0.00
Greek_Kos,12.13,5.57,19.98,20.06,34.34,6.16,0.31,0.54,0.10,0.18,0.40,0.14,0.08
Greek_Kythera,14.77,9.49,19.93,15.93,32.13,5.74,0.74,0.07,0.30,0.46,0.14,0.30,0.00
Greek_Laconia,18.84,15.11,20.50,12.63,26.97,4.43,0.31,0.44,0.26,0.14,0.28,0.01,0.07
Greek_Laconia_Karitsa,20.99,14.91,20.66,13.09,24.68,4.27,0.07,0.21,0.29,0.40,0.10,0.31,0.01
Greek_Lesbos,14.61,9.99,18.42,18.44,31.50,4.87,0.06,0.72,0.64,0.15,0.49,0.11,0.02
Greek_Messenia,18.78,15.09,21.04,13.10,27.21,2.99,0.43,0.41,0.29,0.28,0.32,0.06,0.00
Greek_Nisyros,14.49,5.02,19.94,18.20,34.34,5.49,0.33,0.12,0.15,0.43,0.57,0.43,0.50
Greek_Rhodes,10.04,3.54,21.36,19.05,38.25,6.00,0.22,0.19,0.34,0.15,0.59,0.27,0.00
Greek_Samos,17.74,10.86,20.44,17.69,27.34,4.03,0.11,0.42,0.17,0.00,0.64,0.01,0.56
Greek_Symi,10.31,3.21,20.58,19.40,38.22,5.84,0.72,0.03,0.46,0.17,0.46,0.50,0.10
Greek_Tsakonia,16.73,11.60,21.69,13.28,31.37,3.87,0.14,0.33,0.00,0.34,0.63,0.03,0.00
Hungarian_Alföld_South,29.96,33.53,14.48,6.45,10.38,1.15,0.76,0.57,1.44,0.61,0.29,0.23,0.14
Hungarian_Alföld_North,29.53,33.58,13.78,7.22,10.74,1.14,0.85,0.48,1.13,0.75,0.48,0.22,0.1
Hungarian_Central&Budapest,30.54,32.3,14.36,7.39,10.51,1.2,0.83,0.54,1.13,0.54,0.27,0.21,0.16
Hungarian_North,30.18,35.55,13.37,6.14,10.05,0.76,1.16,0.43,1.1,0.5,0.41,0.17,0.18
Hungarian_Partium&Banat,29.28,31.68,14.55,6.84,12,1.36,0.97,0.69,1.16,0.74,0.34,0.26,0.08
Hungarian_Slovakia_Central&East,29.49,33.12,13.55,6.15,8.83,0.83,0.79,0.61,1.25,0.62,0.32,0.4,0.2
Hungarian_Slovakia_West,30.92,31.78,14.63,7.24,10.18,1.18,1.42,0.3,1.22,0.22,0.62,0.11,0.2
Hungarian_Székely,28.07,28.61,15.03,8.52,12.81,1.39,1.04,0.67,2.27,0.7,0.38,0.2,0.14
Hungarian_Transdanubia_Central&West,31.25,31.43,14.38,7.36,10.69,1.26,0.88,0.39,0.94,0.75,0.37,0.09,0.21
Hungarian_Transdanubia_South,31.93,31.66,13.81,7.55,10.19,1.14,1.08,0.44,0.85,0.51,0.34,0.23,0.28
Hungarian_Transylvania,28.41,28.96,16.22,8.46,11.83,1.37,0.87,0.91,2.05,0.65,0.2,0.06,0.03
Icelandic,51.20,26.73,10.31,6.30,1.57,0.78,0.83,0.20,0.77,0.84,0.12,0.24,0.06
Irish_Connacht,52.56,23.39,12.14,6.86,1.29,0.39,1.65,0.08,0.25,0.83,0.21,0.18,0.13
Irish_Leinster,51.83,22.96,13.11,6.51,2.02,0.62,1.05,0.25,0.15,0.77,0.36,0.17,0.14
Irish_Munster,52.92,23.03,12.33,6.68,1.44,0.42,1.35,0.15,0.24,0.83,0.30,0.15,0.15
Irish_Ulster,53.26,22.47,12.66,6.86,0.81,0.58,1.46,0.11,0.47,0.77,0.31,0.09,0.16
Italian_Abruzzo,20.82,8.67,21.33,13.7,29.21,4.61,0.18,0.28,0.28,0.22,0.33,0.33,0.04
Italian_Aosta_Valley,39.39,15.81,22.37,7.56,12.42,1.2,0.46,0.01,0,0.01,0.12,0.44,0.21
Italian_Apulia,19.01,8.44,22.08,14.71,29.49,4.61,0.12,0.02,0.1,0.4,0.55,0.37,0.1
Italian_Basilicata,20.54,8.01,20.72,14.55,28.73,5.5,0.37,0.08,0.09,0.03,0.46,0.59,0.33
Italian_Calabria,15.99,5.68,21.38,15.48,33.13,6.25,0.3,0.46,0,0.06,0.3,0.64,0.33
Italian_Campania,18.53,7.21,21.05,15.4,30.94,4.84,0.63,0.33,0.1,0.14,0.12,0.52,0.19
Italian_Emilia,29.66,11.98,24.47,8.33,21.32,2.94,0.27,0.23,0,0.3,0.3,0.16,0.04
Italian_Friuli,32.26,16.88,20.62,7.19,18.53,2.99,0.31,0.3,0.05,0.8,0.02,0.04,0.01
Italian_Lazio,25.25,9.35,24.03,11.35,25.14,3.6,0.33,0.2,0.12,0.25,0.18,0.14,0.06
Italian_Liguria,30.65,11.88,24.59,7.61,21.06,2.75,0.38,0.33,0.07,0.28,0.28,0.08,0.04
Italian_Lombardy,32.35,12.62,26.19,5.59,20.25,2.1,0.32,0.13,0.06,0.02,0.16,0.1,0.11
Italian_Marche,25.48,9.49,23.15,11.52,25.53,3.8,0.14,0.14,0.12,0.15,0.12,0.18,0.18
Italian_Molise,20.11,8.57,21.61,14.07,29.62,4.58,0.02,0.47,0,0.38,0.25,0.16,0.16
Italian_Piedmont,32.91,14.19,24.66,6.01,17.91,2.93,0.08,0.1,0.18,0.34,0.46,0.02,0.21
Italian_Romagna,26.31,11.19,23.14,10.18,24.32,3.81,0.08,0.35,0.07,0.27,0.14,0.14,0
Italian_Sicily,18.24,7.44,21.81,13.91,29.59,5.61,0.59,0.33,0.21,0.14,0.42,0.95,0.77
Italian_Trentino,33.67,17.74,23.27,5.53,17.18,1.61,0,0.16,0.12,0.22,0.31,0.16,0.03
Italian_Tuscany,27.72,10.94,24.25,8.89,23.27,3.79,0.22,0.14,0.15,0.08,0.38,0.14,0.05
Italian_Umbria,26.21,9.45,23.31,11.11,24.58,3.76,0.28,0.17,0,0.16,0.84,0.13,0
Italian_Veneto,32.25,15.08,23.66,7.48,18.38,1.65,0.25,0.4,0.24,0.27,0.3,0,0.04
Jew_Ashkenazi,16.48,8.34,18.39,10.85,36.34,5.86,0.10,0.85,1.05,0.21,0.27,0.89,0.39
Jew_Italy,15.54,2.81,21.20,10.89,38.45,7.05,0.14,0.70,0.21,0.27,0.88,1.82,0.06
Jew_Sephardi,15.63,1.81,19.83,13.04,36.91,8.90,0.61,0.38,0.78,0.00,0.33,1.12,0.65
Komi,22.39,43.60,3.11,8.46,0.17,0.31,2.39,0.57,15.43,2.56,0.25,0.21,0.54
Latvian,26.53,59.03,6.85,2.64,0.87,0.36,1.22,0.18,0.73,0.87,0.37,0.05,0.31
Lemko_Poland,27.74,37.63,14.89,7.34,9.48,0.24,0.42,0.58,0.56,0.60,0.52,0.00,0.00
Lithuanian_Aukštaitija,27.95,53.51,7.85,4.17,2.19,0.37,1.18,0.33,0.67,0.79,0.39,0.28,0.32
Lithuanian_Žemaitija,28.03,55.92,7.20,3.72,0.99,0.40,1.12,0.21,0.68,0.67,0.36,0.38,0.31
Maltese,16.41,6.49,20.59,13.9,31.37,6.62,0.68,0.7,0.01,0,0.32,1.38,1.53
Mari,13.18,42.21,1.21,6.31,0.63,0.45,4.35,0.87,26.26,3.33,0.38,0.15,0.67
Moldovan_Central,23.53,31.20,15.11,9.56,14.31,1.77,1.20,0.52,1.58,0.45,0.46,0.15,0.17
Moldovan_North,23.99,33.84,14.21,9.52,12.52,1.74,0.78,0.71,1.23,0.39,0.74,0.08,0.27
Moldovan_South,21.78,28.89,15.87,9.76,18.84,2.00,0.55,0.49,0.66,0.64,0.22,0.12,0.18
Montenegro_Old_Herzegovina,25.98,27.45,17.63,8.87,15.99,1.31,0.38,0.43,0.48,1.15,0.23,0.00,0.13
Montenegro_SouthEast,22.70,25.98,19.53,9.82,17.96,1.80,0.57,0.26,0.63,0.34,0.32,0.06,0.03
Mordvin,22.53,47.66,6.87,7.66,3.52,0.71,1.62,1.04,6.12,1.30,0.53,0.24,0.20
Macedonian_Central,23.10,19.77,20.84,11.41,20.84,1.98,0.35,0.45,0.40,0.45,0.34,0.05,0.04
Macedonian_East,24.84,20.89,21.03,9.94,18.58,2.94,0.13,0.52,0.32,0.57,0.25,0.00,0.00
Macedonian_North,22.71,22.37,19.31,11.16,21.05,1.89,0.34,0.25,0.31,0.26,0.26,0.04,0.04
Macedonian_South,21.81,19.85,20.28,11.24,22.75,2.38,0.21 ,0.30,0.32,0.39,0.39,0.03,0.04
Norwegian_Southcentral,50.83,28.97,9.61,4.78,1.91,0.62,0.94,0.11,0.63,0.68,0.56,0.13,0.23
Polish_Greater_Poland,31.45,43.92,10.26,5.30,5.52,0.80,0.87,0.09,0.23,0.65,0.48,0.37,0.06
Polish_Kujavia,31.83,45.41,9.95,4.66,3.33,1.47,1.02,0.20,0.79,0.93,0.00,0.41,0.00
Polish_Lesser_Poland,31.00,43.23,11.15,5.26,5.63,0.55,0.47,0.06,0.80,0.85,0.57,0.29,0.16
Polish_Mazovia,28.33,46.20,10.70,5.60,5.04,0.54,1.20,0.15,0.69,0.66,0.50,0.18,0.20
Polish_Podlaskie,29.87,46.68,7.30,4.42,6.83,1.65,1.33,0.00,1.06,0.35,0.52,0.00,0.00
Polish_Silesia,29.25,43.03,12.16,6.16,5.57,0.39,1.25,0.29,0.64,0.70,0.42,0.16,0.00
Polish_South,30.66,42.03,11.08,6.56,6.22,0.35,1.02,0.45,0.97,0.07,0.25,0.12,0.22
Polish_Subcarpathia,28.71,42.67,11.10,6.04,7.21,1.18,0.44,0.11,1.70,0.23,0.12,0.35,0.13
Polish_Warmia-Masuria,32.51,44.26,10.88,4.19,3.27,0.95,1.21,0.16,1.06,0.51,0.33,0.29,0.39
Pomak_Bulgaria,19.91,25.54,17.54,12.24,20.19,2.63,0.09,0.69,0.47,0.30,0.17,0.19,0.05
Pomak_Greece,18.71,25.67,15.92,12.89,21.39,2.55,0.34,0.34,1.27,0.36,0.58,0.00,0.00
Portuguese,38.54,11.51,25.32,2.43,13.90,3.63,0.42,0.14,0.25,0.44,0.67,1.72,1.04
Roma_Balkans,9.73,9.53,12.55,16.84,18.44,2.86,26.43,1.28,0.92,0.27,0.61,0.45,0.09
Roma_Wallachia,10.87,10.98,13.02,16.12,19.24,2.66,23.01,1.43,0.72,0.21,1.21,0.39,0.14
Romanian_Banat,23.88,25.79,17.43,10.47,17.42,1.87,0.49,0.57,1.19,0.45,0.26,0.11,0.06
Romanian_Crişana,25.14,27.30,16.89,9.51,16.54,1.32,0.69,0.43,0.91,0.60,0.44,0.12,0.10
Romanian_Dobruja,22.26,25.09,17.69,10.81,18.50,2.16,0.71,0.71,1.15,0.45,0.30,0.06,0.10
Romanian_Maramureş,26.03,28.85,16.08,9.29,14.55,1.83,0.84,0.74,0.77,0.46,0.42,0.07,0.06
Romanian_Muntenia,22.61,24.55,17.51,11.08,18.76,2.11,0.62,0.62,1.03,0.54,0.35,0.12,0.09
Romanian_Oltenia,23.41,24.91,18.15,10.55,18.10,1.83,0.51,0.71,0.87,0.38,0.37,0.08,0.12
Romanian_Moldavia_Central,24.03,29.33,15.97,9.67,15.00,1.98,0.89,0.59,1.18,0.59,0.50,0.15,0.12
Romanian_Moldavia_North,25.79,32.07,14.53,8.69,13.44,1.39,0.78,0.52,1.48,0.53,0.44,0.21,0.13
Romanian_Moldavia_South,24.02,26.72,16.79,9.78,17.00,2.06,0.64,0.58,1.14,0.64,0.37,0.10,0.16
Romanian_Transylvania,24.22,26.32,17.35,9.92,17.02,1.80,0.57,0.56,1.10,0.59,0.38,0.09,0.10
Romanian_Ukraine,25.37,33.29,12.72,10.48,12.73,1.63,0.47,0.89,1.07,0.61,0.28,0.26,0.20
Russian_Kargopol,24.92,48.36,7.52,5.54,1.50,0.04,2.49,0.23,6.67,1.70,0.23,0.53,0.26
Russian_Kostroma,26.19,48.54,6.21,5.35,3.19,0.39,1.05,0.69,6.37,1.16,0.52,0.19,0.16
Russian_North,26.52,49.43,5.57,4.65,1.14,0.51,0.99,0.44,8.60,1.19,0.47,0.17,0.34
Russian_Pskov,27.00,53.07,7.78,4.50,1.25,1.69,0.54,0.03,1.87,0.73,0.58,0.45,0.50
Russian_Ryazan,24.89,47.15,8.72,7.10,4.48,0.69,1.67,0.40,2.97,0.99,0.32,0.39,0.23
Russian_Smolensk,28.16,48.47,8.74,5.82,3.83,1.69,1.38,0.17,0.85,0.43,0.38,0.06,0.01
Russian_Southwest,25.94,46.84,8.96,5.59,6.50,0.98,0.99,0.72,1.85,0.81,0.27,0.37,0.19
Russian_Tver-Yaroslavl,25.04,49.54,9.31,5.95,1.48,1.02,1.12,0.10,3.82,1.42,0.39,0.66,0.16
Sámi_Finland,23.07,47.80,0.02,2.11,0,1.50,0,0.85,21.77,2.22,0.67,0,0
Sámi_Sweden,24.98,43.85,0.00,0.74,0.00,0.00,1.25,1.23,23.50,3.64,0.41,0.06,0.35
Sardinian,23.14,1.64,49.58,0.38,22.02,2.41,0,0.13,0.03,0,0.31,0.26,0.1
Scottish_Gaidhealtachd,51.59,24.25,11.99,6.92,1.53,0.50,1.18,0.13,0.36,0.78,0.35,0.27,0.18
Scottish_East,51.30,23.28,12.93, 6.42,2.73,0.47,1.14,0.15,0.28,0.72,0.34,0.12, 0.10
Scottish_Northeast,51.34,23.90,13.12, 6.02,2.29,0.50,1.04,0.26,0.31,0.61,0.27,0.20,0.16
Scottish_North-Highlands,51.33,23.07,13.18,6.37,2.40,0.60,1.03,0.19,0.36,0.84,0.33,0.10,0.19
Scottish_Orkney,51.33,24.44,12.68,4.97,2.50,0.31,1.00,0.23,1.05,0.81,0.39,0.08,0.20
Scottish_Shetland,50.77,25.51,11.98,6.72,1.93,0.19,0.91,0.28,0.37,0.81,0.12,0.18,0.23
Scottish_Southwest,51.78,23.30,12.54,6.51,2.42,0.45,1.26,0.10,0.27,0.64,0.39,0.24,0.09
Serb_CentralCroatia,24.87,30.78,16.72,9.02,15.20,1.31,0.56,0.30,0.37,0.46,0.29,0.04,0.08
Serb_NorthEastBosnia,25.39,30.70,16.25,8.54,14.60,1.78,0.47,0.32,0.99,0.56,0.33,0.07,0.01
Serb_CentralSerbia,24.91,29.63,17.43,8.15,16.19,1.63,0.45,0.28,0.66,0.36,0.29,0.00,0.03
Serb_Dalmatia,25.69,28.77,16.89,9.22,15.58,1.30,0.60,0.31,0.63,0.45,0.41,0.10,0.06
Serb_EastSerbia,23.79,29.45,16.91,8.77,16.35,2.00,0.59,0.10,1.00,0.71,0.32,0.00,0.00
Serb_Herzegovina,25.43,27.54,17.48,8.47,17.11,1.75,0.16,0.15,0.59,0.46,0.65,0.14,0.06
Serb_KosovoMetohija,24.47,26.43,17.95,8.77,18.76,1.47,0.26,0.08,0.76,0.51,0.27,0.08,0.19
Serb_BosanskaKrajina,24.76,30.10,16.83,9.58,14.55,1.55,0.69,0.37,0.40,0.42,0.58,0.01,0.15
Serb_Lika,25.20,29.70,16.86,8.45,15.90,1.58,0.41,0.19,0.68,0.56,0.29,0.13,0.04
Serb_SouthSerbia,23.78,28.42,16.95,9.51,16.87,2.19,0.44,0.35,0.60,0.37,0.27,0.15,0.11
Serb_SouthwestSerbia,26.88,28.33,16.91,8.91,15.32,1.55,0.54,0.21,0.57,0.23,0.19,0.19,0.16
Serb_Vojvodina,24.65,28.09,17.38,9.48,16.14,1.63,0.62,0.43,0.18,0.76,0.45,0.06,0.13
Serb_WestSerbia,25.76,30.11,16.57,8.35,15.56,1.08,0.69,0.42,0.69,0.40,0.29,0.00,0.09
Slovak,30.84,37.18,12.99,6.3,8,1.09,1.03,0.39,0.58 ,0.73,0.53,0.15,0.21
Slovene,31.98,34.42,14.67,6.14,9.29,1.04,0.83,0.12,0.54,0.33,0.29,0.10,0.25
Sorb_Saxony_Kamenz,33.90,40.96,10.12,4.85,6.59,0.63,1.28,0.44,0.29,0.64,0.10,0.11,0.10
Spanish_Andalusia,39.07,8.19,29.07,3.83,14.11,1.95,0.60,0.29,0.63,0.02,0.40,1.28,0.57
Spanish_Aragon,43.83,8.27,29.79,1.32,12.05,2.37,0.40,0.25,0.50,0.32,0.39,0.46,0.04
Spanish_Cantabria,41.79,11.49,29.27,1.75,10.20,2.37,0.45,0.03,0.13,0.49,0.47,0.80,0.75
Spanish_Castile-León,40.76,11.13,26.09,1.86,12.82,3.49,0.04,0.51,0.05,0.28,0.18,2.01,0.78
Spanish_Castilla-La_Mancha,41.09,9.37,28.52,2.72,12.42,2.88,0.47,0.22,0.21,0.31,0.08,1.42,0.29
Spanish_Catalonia,41.36,12.13,25.78,3.08,13.09,1.51,0.69,0.59,0.06,0.06,0.43,0.45,0.77
Spanish_Extremadura,38.27,9.67,26.84,3.32,13.73,4.26,0.65,0.00,0.00,0.62,0.20,1.23,1.22
Spanish_Galicia,38.51,12.18,26.23,1.97,11.93,4.55,1.49,0.36,0.22,0.14,0.00,1.26,1.16
Spanish_Murcia,40.15,9.33,26.12,2.21,14.57,2.92,0.21,0.88,0.67,0.60,0.11,1.44,0.78
Spanish_Valencia,40.54,10.58,27.72,1.90,14.85,1.32,0.88,0.29,0.04,0.41,0.50,0.31,0.65
Swedish_East-Svealand,46.74,34.13,8.85,3.92,1.19,0.53,0.97,0.27,1.69,0.86,0.56,0.19,0.12
Swedish_Götaland,50.53,29.29,9.86,4.67,1.88,0.62,0.93,0.21,0.69,0.55,0.41,0.18,0.2
Swedish_Norrland,44.53,36.23,6.25,3.95,0.66,0.40,1.26,0.39,4.94,0.62,0.60,0.09,0.14
Swedish_West-Svealand,49.72,30.6,9.57,4.11,1.75,0.46,1.03,0.19,1.05,0.53,0.45,0.27,0.27
Swiss_French,37.79,20.53,19.52,7.90,10.97,1.49,0.27,0.26,0.44,0.44,0.36,0.04,0.00
Swiss_German,40.15,22.01,17.27,6.58,10.31,1.90,0.08,0.28,0.25,0.52,0.29,0.29,0.09
Swiss_German_North,41.81,20.86,17.80,8.11,9.32,0.81,0.25,0.00,0.21,0.00,0.68,0.11,0.02
Swiss_Italian,36.35,15.43,23.16,2.81,18.65,2.71,0.26,0.00,0.41,0.00,0.18,0.08,0.00
Tatar_Crimea,13.17,20.04,7.55,16.36,8.88,1.83,3.23,10.25,16.40,1.28,0.47,0.27,0.21
Tatar_Volga,18.88,34.62,5.85,11.66,3.85,0.90,2.68,3.12,15.56,2.00,0.28,0.13,0.46
Torbesh,21.55,17.67,22.34,10.48,23.69,2.25,0.00,0.51,0.48,0.79,0.25,0.00,0.00
Turkish_Central-Black_Sea,5.57,5.29,11.47,31.63,27.5,4.32,2.57,3.81,6.75,0.59,0.3,0.02,0.08
Turkish_Crete,15.92,13.82,17.01,15.12,26.39,4.34,0,1.98,2.4,0.21,0.19,1.76,0.87
Turkish_Deliorman,18.24,21.24,14.61,15.55,19.50,2.61,1.05,2.57,3.74,0.41,0.51,0.17,0.15
Turkish_East,5.37,4.44,10.98,35.86,29.82,4.02,4.85,1.19,2.15,0.61,0.25,0.3,0.13
Turkish_East-Black_Sea,2,2.18,14.83,40.78,33.76,2.4,1.81,0.76,0.89,0.12,0.38,0,0
Turkish_Eastcentral,6.5,6,11.05,29.12,29.7,4.14,3.61,2.42,5.93,0.55,0.53,0.18,0.21
Turkish_Macedonia,19.58,18.64,16.77,13.73,23.61,2.80,0.68,1.01,2.18,0.21,0.36,0.21,0.24
Turkish_Meskheti,1.28,2.96,12.66,45.51,29.35,3.41,2.82,1.13,0.09,0.06,0.4,0.3,0
Turkish_Northwest,8.8,9.51,12.55,25.66,23.89,2.89,2.3,4.75,8.02,0.63,0.61,0.26,0.07
Turkish_South,6.89,6.1,10.81,27.85,26.51,5.15,3.94,3.32,7.45,0.44,0.45,0.5,0.48
Turkish_Southeast,5.41,4.3,10.44,34.23,30.39,4.93,4.07,1.77,3.24,0.35,0.32,0.36,0.12
Turkish_Thrace,15.59,18.68,14.59,17.12,21.06,2.92,1.42,2.18,5.21,0.48,0.35,0.19,0.20
Turkish_Westcentral,9.43,6.14,11.37,27.29,27.47,4.87,2.76,3.24,5.81,0.51,0.59,0.26,0.21
Udmurt,18.51,36.69,0.51,12.56,0.01,0.17,4.09,0.51,23.10,2.89,0.57,0.12,0.29
Ukrainian_Carpathians,26.50,38.13,13.24,7.09,9.82,1.21,1.06,0.35,1.41,0.65,0.25,0.16,0.13
Ukrainian_Galicia,27.87,39.97,12.58,7.17,7.51,1.27,1.03,0.33,1.17,0.57,0.37,0.09,0.07
Ukrainian_Moldova,26.14,41.20,11.47,6.64,9.05,1.05,1.11,0.70,1.19,0.54,0.28,0.35,0.27
Ukrainian_North,26.50,45.84,10.23,5.88,6.40,0.84,1.04,0.49,1.19,0.67,0.46,0.23,0.23
Ukrainian_Northwest,27.13,46.07,10.32,5.77,6.00,0.74,0.78,0.42,1.12,0.68,0.55,0.16,0.27
Ukrainian_South,26.46,43.06,11.30,5.89,7.53,0.90,1.45,0.40,1.61,0.77,0.27,0.12,0.22
Upper_Silesia,33.01,43.21,9.27,6.4,5.21,0.26,0.67,0,1.04,0.31,0.58,0,0.06
Vlach_Serbia,22.77,27.08,19.09,10.03,16.82,1.28,0.34,1.25,0.36,0.49,0.47,0.00,0.17
Walloon,45.03,20.45,15.86,5.81,9.43,1.12,0.98,0.25,0.00,0.52,0.37,0.11,0.08
Welsh_North,51.95,23.13,13.71,5.73,2.00,0.32,1.09,0.10,0.42,0.69,0.44,0.22,0.12
Welsh_South,50.70,23.42,13.60,6.85,2.34,0.49,0.89,0.09,0.30,0.69,0.33,0.10,0.12
3 people from Vaslui county (last 2 are nephew and grandma)
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N_Atlantic Baltic West_Med West_Asian East_Med Red_Sea South_Asian East_Asian Siberian Amerindian Oceanian NE_African Sub-Saharan 23.86 29.53 18.09 12.87 12.41 0 0.62 0 1.40 0 1.20 0.00 0 28.50 28.86 16.81 6.37 12.56 1.92 0.86 0.76 1.08 1.40 0 0.88 0 27.08 28.11 13.77 7.91 18.29 1.14 0.27 0 1.56 0.59 0.47 0.72 0.08
Distance to: Vaslui3 4.50013333 Serb_Herzegovina 4.57757578 Romanian_Crişana 4.63997845 Serb_SouthwestSerbia 4.76086127 Serb_Dalmatia 4.78844442 Serb_WestSerbia 4.79802043 Serb_Lika 5.00411830 Montenegro_Old_Herzegovina 5.02807120 Bosniak_Krajina_West 5.02923453 Romanian_Maramureş 5.05574920 Bosniak_Southeast 5.16232506 Serb_CentralSerbia 5.24180312 Romanian_Moldavia_South 5.31644618 Serb_SouthSerbia 5.35815267 Serb_EastSerbia 5.37997212 Serb_Vojvodina 5.41210680 Serb_KosovoMetohija 5.57246803 Serb_NorthEastBosnia 5.59547138 Romanian_Transylvania 5.60914432 Romanian_Moldavia_Central 5.65808271 Bosniak_Sandzak_West 5.79883609 Serb_CentralCroatia 5.92644919 Hungarian_Székely 6.13888426 Croat_Istria 6.14880476 Romanian_Banat 6.15301552 Serb_BosanskaKrajina
Distance to: Vaslui2 2.79445880 Hungarian_Transylvania 3.30978851 Hungarian_Székely 3.93470456 Hungarian_Partium&Banat 3.98938592 Csángó-Ceangău 4.06462790 Croat_Istria 4.42477118 Croat_Lika 4.43769084 Serb_SouthwestSerbia 4.57658169 Romanian_Maramureş 4.59018518 Croat_Dalmatia 4.90773879 Serb_NorthEastBosnia 4.93170356 Croat_Bosnia 4.99168308 Serb_WestSerbia 5.11006849 Bosniak_Krajina_West 5.12324116 Croat_Kvarner 5.13511441 Hungarian_Transdanubia_Central&West 5.26242340 Serb_Dalmatia 5.38552690 Montenegro_Old_Herzegovina 5.39060293 Hungarian_Slovakia_West 5.39423767 Hungarian_Central&Budapest 5.40711568 Serb_Lika 5.46667175 Croat_Slavonia 5.56098912 Romanian_Moldavia_North 5.71369408 Serb_BosanskaKrajina 5.72806250 Serb_CentralSerbia 5.74222953 Bosniak_Sandzak_West
Distance to: Vaslui1 4.71740395 Serb_BosanskaKrajina 5.17457245 Romanian_Moldavia_Central 5.27897717 Bosniak_Sandzak_West 5.56038668 Moldovan_Central 5.56636327 Serb_CentralCroatia 5.63717128 Romanian_Maramureş 5.65309650 Serb_Dalmatia 5.83931503 Serb_Vojvodina 5.93104544 Serb_NorthEastBosnia 5.95351997 Croat_Dalmatia 6.25992811 Serb_EastSerbia 6.26969696 Serb_Lika 6.28153644 Serb_WestSerbia 6.28745577 Romanian_Crişana 6.31787148 Croat_Herzegovina 6.35190523 Serb_SouthSerbia 6.35445513 Serb_SouthwestSerbia 6.39273807 Vlach_Serbia 6.51039937 Serb_CentralSerbia 6.55241177 Montenegro_Old_Herzegovina 6.67363469 Romanian_Moldavia_North 6.72615046 Bosniak_Krajina_East 6.73591865 Csángó-Ceangău 6.75430233 Romanian_Transylvania 6.78306715 Romanian_Moldavia_South
I've noticed on many Vaslui people high North Atlantic and that brings them to have Csangos as top match for distance, what do you think about that?Quote:
Originally Posted by AnthrogenicaRefugee
looking at me vs dad vs maternal grandma it looks like my maternal grandpa (the only source remaining) was one of these high North Atlantic Vaslui people as well.
also, my grandma seems slightly above average in Baltic, with her 32.5%, though you do see a couple of Vaslui people scoring around that, but the average is definitely below 30%
Both are a mix of Steppe, EHG and WHG. North Atlantic bears more WHG ancestry, while Baltic more EHG.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nurzat
It's because of recombination. Ancestry is inherited as 50% from one parent, and 50% from the other parent. What comes within that 50% is random. You don't receive your father's North Atlantic divided by 2, which is then added to your mother's North Atlantic divided by 2. This is how you can receive more in one component than your parents.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nurzat
Look at how I inherited more Atlantic and less Baltic than my parents, and this doesn't stop at only these components. My brother has more West Med, etc.
And check my mom, who has less North Atlantic and more West Asian than her parents.
Recombination is a lottery. I have more examples of children - parents, but that should be clear.
Read these articles, they will be helpful:
https://support.ancestry.com/s/artic...language=en_US
https://www.ancestry.com/cs/dna-help...es/inheritance
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Name N_Atlantic Baltic West_Med West_Asian East_Med Red_Sea South_Asian East_Asian Siberian Amerindian Oceanian NE_African Sub-Saharan Grandma maternal 24.71 38.15 11.21 7.63 12.21 0.31 2.15 0.89 1.72 0.59 0.43 0 0 Dad 24.14 32.44 14.55 11.75 12.15 0 1.62 0 1.54 0.96 0 0.33 0.51 Me 25.68 29.49 15.21 9.61 12.76 1.72 0.63 1.82 2.81 0 0.27 0 0 Brother 20.94 32.81 16.13 11.69 12.21 0.97 2.06 1.03 1.08 0.54 0.54 0 0 Mom 19.44 37.30 15.60 10.04 13.19 0.47 0.95 1.49 0.28 0.41 0.82 0 0 Grandpa maternal 20.32 32.60 16.18 7.99 19.36 1.32 0 0.30 0 0.83 0.50 0.62 0
The average in North Atlantic is also higher than her ~20%. Just look at both as Northern-shifted ancestry. One pulls to the East and the other one to the West. You don't necessarily need to have recent Germanic or Hungarian ancestry for elevated North Atlantic, or recent Slavic ancestry for elevated Baltic. It is the sum of the two that is more informative. For example, in Moldova, I noticed that 90%+ of ethnic Moldovans score between 47-60 in the sum of North Atlantic and Baltic. That's more informative than looking at North Atlantic and Baltic alone, which can be more jumpy/drifty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nurzat
Also, one thing to know is that Eurogenes K13 was designed for 23andme v3 and similar high SNP chips like that on Ancestry right now.
It struggles with low SNPs, which most people receive right now (23andme v5, MyHeritage, FTDNA) but I am using it, because I started with it, though K36 is considered better when you build a database that contains high and low SNP results.
https://i.imgur.com/v4Go9Tc.png
still 28-29% is too high for that, I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnthrogenicaRefugee
though that should be checked across calculators.
definitely deserves a closer look. there's a real slight northwest leaning in and around Csangofold. on top of the real northeast leaning of 3/4 of Moldova (the 1/4 not included being Galati-Vrancea and Bessarabia/Budjak non-Russkies).
Moldova, a region of many ancestral populations. we should embrace not only Slavic and Vlach origin, but also Iranic, Germanic, Turkic. at the moment they're teaching the kids at school we descend from Rome ffs xD
Yes, the Rome part is unlikely, given the haplogroups that we have. It's the romanised folk of local Balkan origin who spread the language. They lost their original Dacian/Getae/Thracian languages slowly over time, because the Roman language allowed better opportunities and social status. Albanians were also on the verge of assimilation. Albanian is considered a partially romanised language, but probably more of them lived an isolated high altitude life than others from the Balkans. So their language survived, though quite romanised. It's quite the miracle that it's still here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nurzat
Then when the Slavs came later from the 7-8th centuries onwards, the same processes that happened in what was later called Bulgaria, also happened in Wallachia. Slavs moved to the plains, rivers and swamps (they were farmer people), while Balkan folk to avoid the plague and the movement of nationalities typical for that period lived high in the mountains all over the Balkans (those in the plains died to the Justinian plague and left a gap that Slavs exploited).
(To open a caveat, ironically, the Slavs also adopted the same tactic of living isolated in the mountains when the Ottomans came, and this is why the Bosniaks are genetically the most Slavic of all in the Balkans. They got them religiously though.)
Returning to our story, eventually they slowly started to interact and influence each other. Slavs were more successful culturally in Bulgaria and slavicised the romanised Dacians/Getae/Thracians. The opposite happened in Wallachia, where Slavs got romanised. This is why genetically, apart from some really Southern cases in Bulgaria, you would struggle to tell apart a Slavic Bulgarian from a Latin Wallachian.
This is nothing unusual. Hungarians from Hungary can be modelled as half Slavs and half Germans. Others as 1/3 Slavs, 1/3 Germans, 1/3 old Balkan. Others are indistinguishable from Slovaks. But the culture of the Hungarian elite managed to turn them all into Hungarians. Only those in the mountains of Romania have managed to preserve up to 7-8% East Asian-like genes from the original Hungarian elite.
A great related video that I listened to last night: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_5nTOlpLkQ
Moldova repeats the same history later. Romanised folk, who 6th centuries later from the events in Wallachia and Bulgaria, were now themselves mixed with Slavs like Wallachians and Bulgarians, founded the ruling class of the new Moldovan principality and became successful culturally. Whatever non-Moldovan folk came in their way way were either assimilated, enslaved or killed. The strong rule the weak. A history as old as time itself.
Love or hate Grigore Ureche, but this is one of the few sources that we have. Correct me if you have something better. I don't believe in modern historians. Everyone has a stupid agenda to push a narrative. Some make us Romans, others Dacians, and others Slavs.
The truth is that there always was a romanised Balkan core who ate everyone up, like Pac-Man. The process in Moldova is just easier to see than in Wallachia, because Wallachia didn't and doesn't border West Slavic and East Slavic groups, like Moldova or Northern Transylvania.
Wallachia interacted and mixed even stronger than Moldova with Slavs in my opinion. You can see that very clearly in surnames, toponyms and even the Romanian language spoken there. But it's harder to spot genetically, because Bulgarians and Wallachians are like brothers from the same mother.
(SIMEON DASCĂLUL)
Predoslovie a létopisețului moldovenescu ce într-însa spune că este făcută țara den doao limbi, de rumâni și de ruși, de care lucru să cunoaște că și păn' astăzi este țara giumătate de ruși și giumătate de rumâni.
Scrie la létopisețul cel moldovenescu, la predoslovie, de zice că deaca au ucis acei vânători acel buor, întorcându-se înapoi, văzând locuri desfătate, au luat pre câmpi într-o parte și au nemerit la locul unde acum târgul Sucévei. Acolo aminosindu-le fum de foc și fiind locul despre apă, cu pădure mănuntă, au pogorât pre mirodeniia fumului la locul unde este acum mănăstirea Ețcanei. Acolea pre acelaș loc au găsit o priseacă cu stupi și un moșneag bătrân, de prisăcăriia stupii, de seminție au fost rus și l-au chiemat Ețco. Pre carele deaca l-au intrebat vânătorii, ce omu-i și den ce țară este, el au spus că este rus den Țara Leșască. Așijderea și pentru loc l-au intrebat, ce loc este acesta și de ce stăpân ascultă ? Ețco au zis: este un loc pustiiu și fără stăpân, de-l domnescu fierile și pasările și să tinde locul în gios, păn' în Dunăre, iar în sus păn' în Nistru, de să hotăraște cu Țara Leșască, și este loc foarte bun de hrană. Înțelegând vânătorii acest cuvânt, au sârguit la Maramorăș, de ș-au tras oamenii săi într-această parte și pre alții au îndemnat, de au descălecat întăi supt munte și s-au lățit pre Moldova în gios. Iar Iațco prisecariul, deaca au înțeles de descălecarea maramorășénilor, îndată s-au dus și el în Țara Leșască, de au dus ruși mulți și i-au descălecat pre apa Sucévei în sus și pre Sirétiu despre Botoșiani. Și așa de sârgu s-au lățit rumănii în gios și rușii în sus.
200 years later
Cându au prădat Ștefan vodă Țara Leșască 7006(1498) iunie 22 zile
Într-același an, Ștefan vodă vrându să-și întoarcă dispre léși strâmbătatea sa, strânsă țara și au intratu la Podoliia și la ruși, trecutau și de Liov la Canțug orașului, la apa Visloca, toate satile arzându și prădându. Ars-au orașul Premișlia, Radumnea, Prevorsca, Lanțut și cetatea Tereabul și multă bunătate dintr-însa au luatu și mulți joimiri au scos, ci pre toți i-au tăiatu și alții mai mulți au arsu în cetate. Și cetatea Buceaciul multă nevoie au pățitu și Podhaețul au arsu. Și mulți oameni, bărbați, muieri, copii, au scos în robie, mai mult de 100.000, mulți de aceia au așezatu Ștefan vodă în țara sa, deși pănă astăzi trăiește limba rusască în Moldova, ales pre unde i-au discălicatu, că mai a treia parte grăiescu ruséște.
Yes I agree with that some modern romianian historians suck. They call every thing fake they don't agree with . For example their is a big chunk of them who think that vlachs come in 13 century but the sources already show that they were there and pretty organized but of course they ignore them. Don't get me wrong their are some good romaians historians out there. Example : Corpus draculianum they are really goodQuote:
Originally Posted by AnthrogenicaRefugee
https://youtube.com/@corpusdraculian...RO2HadCUoFGQ6F and another good historian is Mihai florin Hasan
Also I don't think all the vlachs that came to Moldova, came from Maramureș because in 1370s the Pope was talking about bunch of vlachs living in southern Moldova near the Tatars as the Pope says. They weren't part of the principally of Moldova yet because Moldova only reached that part later (1390s) I can't find the papal document online yet so I am using this as a substitute
https://www.facebook.com/10000072590...Bdo9l/?app=fbl
I will put some sources
https://romaniaembassy.orderofmalta....ului-de-malta/
https://tiparituriromanesti.wordpres...opia-cumaniei/
1390s is already 7 centuries later since the first interaction of romanised locals and the Slavs. Vlachs were probably spread in different places on the Moldovan plain and along riversides, but they were few in numbers.
Before the Hungarian crown attempted to stabilise the Dniester border, and Moldovan voievodes formed the principality and started to patrol it, all that territory from the Pontic steppe and all the way deep into the Wallachian plain was a kill zone. A highway of death and terror where steppe nomads raided regularly and no normal life could be had. Locals survived in remote places.
Even centuries after the establishment of the principality, raids continued, and this is why if you divide Moldova in 1770s into 3 parts -
1) Carpathians to Siret 16 people per km2
2) Siret to Prut 10 people per km2
3) Prut to Dniester 7 people per km2
The population of Moldova closest to the mountains was the most numerous. Those were natural safety zones.
https://arhiva.gov.md/datele-recensa...ri-impozabili/
I don't think it was bad for vlachs as you say,sure it was bad but they had their own bishops in the church of cumania which was southern Moldova and eastern Wallachia, where they converting Hungarians and Saxons to orthodoxy. Also they had their own leaders. Sadly only one from Wallachia and oltienia are named. Sorry I know this not related to Moldova but what your thoughts on the voidevodships of litovoi and seneslu , on how they were formed and how they played in the part of forming Wallachia They have always interested me so much but it's an obscure part of romianian history. Also You kinda forgetting that Wallachia plain was a forest in that timeQuote:
Originally Posted by AnthrogenicaRefugee
There's not much to say, because we don't know much. Seneslav and Litvoi/Litvin. Maybe their opinci were Romanian, but that's all.Quote:
Originally Posted by sage
Well they were called vlachs in the sources.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnthrogenicaRefugee
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Look man I just trying to have a conversation because I am passionate on this stuff. Not trying to troll or anything
Terra Lytua..look which country is nowadays called Litua and LitvaQuote:
Originally Posted by sage
That doesn't make them Lithuanians LoL. If they were why would they be called vlach/ Olah in the same sourceQuote:
Originally Posted by AnthrogenicaRefugee
Did you see the source?Quote:
Originally Posted by sage
"kenezatus Lytuoy, qui Olacis dominatur”
Not qui Olac est, but qui Olacis dominatur. Also kenezatus...
Bulgars also ruled over Slavs in Bulgaria. Look which language people there are speaking now. Litvoi was most likely a Slav who ruled over Vlachs. His dynasty died and Vlachs continued the administration of the territory.
As the vlachs had itQuote:
Originally Posted by AnthrogenicaRefugee
conferimis sibi et per eum dicte domui totam terram de Zeurino cum alpibus ad ipsam pertinentibus et aliis attinentiis omnibus pariter cum kenazatibus Joannis et Farcasii usque ad fluvium Olth, except terra kenazatus Lytuoy woiauode, quam Olatis relinquimus, prout iidem hactenus tenuerunt, ita tamen, quod medietatem omnium utilitatum et reddituum ac servitiorum de tota terra Zeurini memorata et kenazatibus supranominatis provenentium nobis et successoribus nostris reservamu
Also name don't always mean ethnicity
Hey man I am going to end it here because I don't want to derail this thread any longer. Also nice work on collecting all those romianian and Moldovan dna!
Nowadays it doesn't, but then it very much did.
But it doesn't really matter, because as I said earlier, people then were very mixed. Sardinians are closest to ancient Thracians, and Central-Southern Italians to ancient Getae and Dacians. You need significant Slavic admixture to arrive at the genetic profile of even the most Southern of Romanians.
Vlachs appeared from that mixing of romanised locals and the Slavs.
I agree they are a mix and most of our popular names are Slavic which not a bad thing!Quote:
Originally Posted by AnthrogenicaRefugee
It's neither good nor bad, it's how the history unfolded.
Before mid 14th century on the territory of Moldova didn't existed any romance speaking population, Vlachs came here entirely when the Hungarians expanded their influence east of the Carpathians after the power crisis in the Golden Horde. To speak about an romance population here, on an territory heavily affected by constant migrations and outside of the former Roman territory, is just ridiculous. Oldest communities of Csangos are from the same time (mid 14th century), especially those from Bacău county.
What about the church of cumania and the papal document of 1234 which was around southern Moldova and Eastern WallachiaQuote:
Originally Posted by Aspirin
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_...ese_of_Cumania
https://tiparituriromanesti.wordpres...opia-cumaniei/
This was far south on the territory of Buzău and Vrancea counties, on the Carpathian foothills. And this was before Mongolian invasion who killed everything on this side of Carpathians. Is absolutely irrelevant. The name "Cumania" shows who were the main population at that time in Moldova. Moldova was established by conquest and heavy colonisations, both from Transylvania/Maramureş and from Galicia. Vrancea is a territory incorporated into Moldavian state quite late in the second half of 15th century, as a result of Wallachian-Moldavian conflicts during the reign of Stephen the Great.Quote:
Originally Posted by sage