There seems to be some minor admixture. Although it's barely 3%. I'd say below 5 percent can be considered "assimilated" (5-10% Oghuz is basically nothing).Quote:
Originally Posted by Bender1999
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There seems to be some minor admixture. Although it's barely 3%. I'd say below 5 percent can be considered "assimilated" (5-10% Oghuz is basically nothing).Quote:
Originally Posted by Bender1999
Interesting haplogroup for a Chechen, very rare.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Yes, below 5% is still visible Turkic, but not substantial anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Idk about Chechens,but haplogroup L is very common among Easter Blacksea Turks. Maybe some Caucasian subclade?Quote:
Originally Posted by RatCat
Um, not really. L is the third most common HG among Chechens, I believe. Of course at least 70-75% of them are J2 and J1 (in that order).Quote:
Originally Posted by RatCat
I dont know but it peaks in India and Pakistan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bender1999
It is not as uncommon as you would think outside of IndiaQuote:
Originally Posted by RatCat
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-U_I1OG8cj...s823/L-M20.png
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr_Maul
https://i.imgur.com/OiBWNoG.pngQuote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Yes, A lot of Chechen have that haplogroup. I didn't know that.
It is also very commong among Central Anatolian Turks and some groups in northern Syria and Druzes.
This is how to post results properlyQuote:
Originally Posted by Bender1999
Gedrosia 15.50
Siberian -
Northwest_African 0.43
Southeast_Asian 0.45
Atlantic_Med 12.68
North_European 4.45
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 10.33
East_Asian 2.31
Caucasus 53.65
Sub_Saharan 0.21
Distance to: Trabzon
2.68158535 Turk_East_Black_Sea
3.63967031 Greek_Pontus
5.35392379 Hemshin
5.84530581 Laz
6.36901876 Armenian_East
7.62256519 Turk_Ahiska
7.71109590 Armenian_West
8.57496356 Georgian_Adjara
9.53221380 Georgian_Turkey
9.57322307 Turk_East
Target: Trabzon
Distance: 2.0212% / 2.02117480 | ADC: 0.5x
98.4 Turk_East_Black_Sea
1.4 Sardinian
0.2 Japanese
Target: Trabzon
Distance: 1.3552% / 1.35517540 | ADC: 0.25x
76.8 Turk_East_Black_Sea
10.0 Georgian_Adjara
9.8 Greek_Pontus
2.4 Sardinian
0.6 Japanese
0.4 Chinese
Very interesting:
50% Turkmen from Syria +50% Arab from Syria
Turkmen side claims to have migrated from Turkmenistan in 18/19th century
Y DNA: J-M172
Gedrosian: 12.92
Siberian: 1.54
Northwest_African: 6.09
Southeast_Asian: 0.70
Atlantic_Med: 10.78
North_European: 4.47
South_Asian 1.64
East_African 4.31
Southwest_Asian: 22.45
East_Asian: 3.23
Caucasian: 31.26
Sub-Saharan: 0.63
Distance to: Syrian(Turkmen+Arab)
10.79291434 Jordanians
11.30733833 Syrians
11.34358850 Lebanese
13.58433289 Palestinian
14.43212736 Nusayri_Turkey
14.51784764 Turk_Southeast
14.73492111 Turkmen_Iraq
16.12085916 Turk_South
16.19471827 Turk_Central_West
16.71519070 Turk_Anatolia
16.71896528 Turk_Central_East
16.98449882 Kurd_Sorani
17.14743129 Azerbaijani
17.32370919 Egyptans
17.33272627 Turk_Southwest
17.61039750 Azerbaijani_Iran
17.86823438 Turk_West_BlackSea
17.90048882 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
18.23634558 Kurd_Kurmanji
18.26030668 Azerbaijani_Turkey
18.28532198 Uzbekistan_Jews
18.66576010 Yoruk
18.71537336 Turk_Northwest
19.28400892 Iraq_Jews
19.46816632 Zaza
Target: Syrian(Turkmen+Arab)
Distance: 2.0460% / 2.04604201 | ADC: 0.25x
71.2 Jordanians
12.2 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
5.2 Tajiks
4.2 Tajik_Herat
3.2 Moroccan
1.8 Egyptans
1.4 Canarias
0.8 Uygur
a fellow J2b alphaQuote:
Originally Posted by Kyp
Finally! A Syrian Turkmen, not fully part but its very cool to see that. There were a lot of Turkmens in Syria, my tribe was once deported to Rakka. I am still asking what happened to them. Do you know from where, it looks like the person is from southern Syria? I never heard of Turkmens who migrated from Central Asia to Syria in 18/19th century.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyp
No I don't know from where.. Maybe it's just some kind of family telling. I also have never heard of it. They don't really know themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bender1999
Half Turkmen and still ca. 5% EE, so the Turkmen side might be 10% or so. For Syria that's quite a bit.
Someone in the group said that Nogays were settled by the Ottomans in Syria/Golan in that timeQuote:
Originally Posted by Leto
There were a lot of Turkmens in Syria, before Turks migrated to Anatolia they settled in Syria. I don’t know since and until when, but there were Yörüks who spent the summer in Sivas and went to Aleppo in the winters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
I never heard something like that, just many Circissian were settled to Syria but Nogais?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyp
Edit: Nogais were in Northsyria but no information about settlements. They were probably irregular soldiers?
Şam Türkmens were migrated to the Balkans in the 18th century thanks to the tribe wars between Turks and Arabs in the region. But their origin should be different than the Golan Turkmens. They were absorbed among Balkan Turks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bender1999
Two results from the region they were settled:
Code:Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 24.82
2 North_European 22.7
3 Atlantic_Med 21.58
4 Southwest_Asian 10.43
5 Gedrosia 8.45
6 Siberian 3.76
7 East_Asian 3.68
8 South_Asian 2.36
9 Northwest_African 2.12
10 Sub_Saharan 0.1
Slightly elevated Southwest Asian and African, that's it.Code:Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 28.64
2 North_European 25.01
3 Atlantic_Med 19.59
4 Southwest_Asian 11.09
5 Gedrosia 6.86
6 Siberian 4.88
7 East_Asian 1.67
8 Northwest_African 1.16
9 Southeast_Asian 1.1
Pre-Turkic Azerbaijan, Kur-Araz lowland 5140 years old
yDNA: G-Y37100
Gedrosian: 22.08 Pct
Siberian: -
Northwest_African: -
Southeast_Asian: -
Atlantic_Med: 4.26 Pct
North_European: 5.63 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian: 7.07 Pct
East_Asian: -
Caucasian: 60.95 Pct
Sub-Saharan: -
Iranian from Fars province
# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 37.91
2 Gedrosia 29.09
3 Southwest_Asian 13.45
4 Atlantic_Med 8.00
5 North_European 6.79
6 South_Asian 3.45
Close to GeorgiansQuote:
Originally Posted by Bender1999
Distance to: Pre-TurkicAzerbaijan
4.01736232 Georgian_Imereti
4.18957038 Georgian_Turkey
5.42216746 Georgian_Mingrelian
5.42433406 Georgian_Adjara
6.51866551 Georgian_Gurian
7.41677153 Georgian_Svan
8.48934626 Laz
9.35769737 Hemshin
9.54832446 Abkhazian
9.69776778 Turk_Ahiska
12.47149951 Turk_East_Black_Sea
13.71327094 Greek_Pontus
15.29592756 Armenian_East
15.88345995 Azerbaijan_Jews
16.02565131 Georgia_Jews
16.77656997 Udi_Azerbaijan
17.44844406 Armenian_West
18.02024417 Turk_East
18.13770382 North_Ossetians
18.29962568 Circassian
18.64109975 Ossetian
19.47349994 Assyrian
19.80586529 Uzbekistan_Jews
20.40179649 Kurd_KAZ
20.45729943 Talysh_Azerbaijan
Target: Pre-TurkicAzerbaijan
Distance: 3.4801% / 3.48013097
58.8 Georgian_Turkey
40.2 Georgian_Mingrelian
1.0 Brahui
Yes. Couple of 1000 years later the result from same region was more Armenian like. Modern descendants of pre-turkic (Caucasian Albania) people plot between Armenians and Kurds. So we have a good picture on genetic history of Azerbaijan.Quote:
Originally Posted by RatCat
This guy is an Ahiska/Meskhetian Turk. Ask me if you need the kit number (it's a rare ethnic group).Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Azerbaijani from Gadabay:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ion%29.svg.png
Gedrosian: 24.04
Siberian: 2.62
Northwest_African: 0.00
Southeast_Asian: 0.43
Atlantic_Med: 8.51
North_European: 5.52
South_Asian 0.00
East_African 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 10.45
East_Asian: 8.30
Caucasian: 39.53
SSA: 0.60
Distance to: Azeri_Gadabay
7.23579298 Azerbaijani_Iran
7.38976319 Azerbaijani_Turkey
7.62076112 Azerbaijani
9.06013245 Talysh_Azerbaijan
9.15855338 Kurd_Kurmanji
9.20373294 Zaza
9.58567160 Turk_Southeast
9.79834170 Turkmen_Iraq
10.49860943 Iranian
10.64618241 Kurd_KAZ
10.78803040 Kurd_Sorani
10.79089894 Lur_Iran
11.13553771 Turk_Central_East
11.35416664 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
11.39820600 Turk_South
11.56045847 Udi_Azerbaijan
11.71706875 Turk_East
12.25683483 Iranian_Fars
12.60311866 Turk_Anatolia
12.64651731 Iran_Khorasan
13.00525663 Turk_Central_West
13.79151913 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
13.82413831 Uzbekistan_Jews
14.02004993 Yoruk
14.35108358 Iran_Mazandaran
Target: Azeri_Gadabay
Distance: 3.6262% / 3.62616470 | ADC: 0.25x
44.4 Azerbaijani_Turkey
39.0 Kurd_KAZ
9.2 Iranian
3.2 JPT30
2.0 Japanese
1.4 Georgian_Adjara
Iranian (no further information):
Gedrosian: 28.16
Siberian: 1.95
Northwest_African: 0.94
Southeast_Asian: 2.10
Atlantic_Med: 4.95
North_European: 11.45
South_Asian 4.90
East_African 0.39
Southwest_Asian: 11.85
East_Asian: 0.00
Caucasian: 33.32
Sub-Saharan: 0.00
Distance to: Artab
6.47960647 Iranian_Fars
6.69233143 Iran_Khorasan
9.20530825 Iranian
9.22966413 Iran_Mazandaran
9.98371173 Kurd_Sorani
10.23682568 Kurd_Kurmanji
10.24285117 Lur_Iran
10.34398376 Azerbaijani_Iran
10.49736634 Talysh_Azerbaijan
11.10247270 Azerbaijani
11.23716601 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
11.42209263 Turkmens
11.62264600 Kurd_KAZ
11.89560423 Zaza
12.20149991 Turkmen_Iraq
12.25896815 Turkmen_Iran
12.55715334 Azerbaijani_Turkey
13.99926427 Turk_Southeast
14.03448966 Lezgin
14.06895874 Parsi_India
15.04146934 Iran_Bandari
15.09997351 Tajik_Herat
16.12869183 Qumuq
16.16959802 Udi_Azerbaijan
16.55151353 Turk_South
Target: Artab
Distance: 2.0859% / 2.08588617 | ADC: 0.25x
66.2 Iranian_Fars
15.4 Lezgin
12.2 Yagnobi
3.6 Iran_Mazandaran
1.6 Tabasaran
Some interesting results. Possibly a Nogai? Definitely Turkic
N-M232
Gedrosia 18.58 Pct
Siberian 12.30 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 5.77 Pct
North_European 19.70 Pct
South_Asian 1.92 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 1.76 Pct
East_Asian 15.96 Pct
Caucasus 23.99 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Target: Naiman
Distance: 2.3154% / 2.31543589 | ADC: 0.25x
30.0 Uzbeks
26.8 Uzbek
23.2 Nogais
13.4 Dargin
4.8 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe
1.8 Qumuq
Assyrian from Mosul, Iraq
Code:Nazarene(Assyrian),17.58,0,2.84,0.10,10.15,2.34,1.63,0,18.75,0.57,46.04,0
Distance to: Nazarene(Assyrian)
4.13820009 Assyrian
4.79729090 Uzbekistan_Jews
5.57561656 Armenian_West
6.86949780 Iranian_Jews
7.05648638 Azerbaijan_Jews
7.09577339 Iraq_Jews
7.38371180 Georgia_Jews
8.05866614 Armenian_East
8.69278436 Nusayri_Turkey
8.90724986 Turk_East
Target: Nazarene(Assyrian)
Distance: 1.8610% / 1.86104994 | ADC: 0.5x
48.8 Assyrian
29.2 Uzbekistan_Jews
19.4 Nusayri_Turkey
2.2 Armenian_West
0.4 Mozabite
Target: Nazarene(Assyrian)
Distance: 0.8951% / 0.89505268 | ADC: 0.25x
50.8 Assyrian
22.2 Uzbekistan_Jews
14.2 Nusayri_Turkey
8.6 Armenian_West
2.2 Druze
1.4 Mozabite
0.6 Pulliyar
How does look a Bukharian Jewish result? It seems they didn’t mix with Tadjiks/Uzbeks.
They are somewhat mixed with TajiksQuote:
Originally Posted by Bender1999
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bender1999
They are almost like Persian/Kurdish Jews. Eastern Mizrahi.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr_Maul
Uzbekistan_Jews,20.30,0.60,0.90,0.60,7.70,4.40,1.3 0,0.30,18.50,0.00,45.40,0.00
Likely a Saudi
Gedrosia 5.37 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 3.96 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.23 Pct
Atlantic_Med 6.22 Pct
North_European -
South_Asian 1.12 Pct
East_African 4.45 Pct
Southwest_Asian 47.27 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 31.38 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: MYZ
5.25718556 Bedouin
9.09492166 Yemen_Jews
15.51140226 Yemenese
19.02031283 Palestinian
21.36554469 Egyptans
21.60078702 Jordanians
22.61385195 Syrians
23.79134927 Saudis
23.96410023 Samaritians
27.29307605 Lebanese
Target: MYZ
Distance: 2.9403% / 2.94034294 | ADC: 0.5x
70.2 Bedouin
29.4 Yemen_Jews
0.4 Saudis
Target: MYZ
Distance: 1.5298% / 1.52982643 | ADC: 0.25x
51.6 Bedouin
45.2 Yemen_Jews
2.8 Brahui
0.4 Bnei_Menashe_Jews
His Eurogenes results are very different:
Spoiler!
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Armenian father, Volga Tatar mother
Gedrosia 12.17 Pct
Siberian 6.03 Pct
Northwest_African 0.26 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.25 Pct
Atlantic_Med 11.82 Pct
North_European 26.18 Pct
South_Asian 2.32 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 7.44 Pct
East_Asian 5.45 Pct
Caucasus 28.07 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Target: Artem
Distance: 2.0164% / 2.01643892 | ADC: 0.25x
24.8 Qumuq
21.0 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
20.8 Turk_Bulgaria
16.6 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe
5.4 Nogais
4.2 Chuvash
2.8 Mordovian
2.4 Saudis
2.0 Balkan_Gypsy
With everything except for Tatar, Bashkir, Armenian and Assyrian removed
Target: Artem
Distance: 2.7135% / 2.71348933
56.0 Tatar_Kazan
32.0 Armenian_East
12.0 Assyrian
Eurogenes:
50% Assyrian + 50% Tatar @ 2.89
Very low North African and no SSA, considering that for example Levantine Arabs for example show the same amount North African and sometimes even some SSA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Yeah, that guy is very pure and native. Though the NE African on K13 and East African on K12b is also SSA, just not West African. Some minor East African has likely been in Arabia and the Levant since time immemorial.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bender1999
Many south Levant types like Palestinians often get up to 4% SSA so it is definitely interesting to see this guy with 0, I always assumed Saudis would be between that and Yemeni amount of SSAQuote:
Originally Posted by Bender1999
He does have itQuote:
Originally Posted by Dr_Maul
East_African 4.45 Pct
Exactly they were in my mind. I mean i don’t expect high SSA but at least some. Even palestine turkmens have more SSA haha.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr_Maul
Probably like the calculator said a Bedouin. Also high Caucasian, that is very surprising. But in contrast to „northern“ Westasian low Gedrosian, it seems this admixture has nothing to do with Arabs(if we are conservatives this person as proxy for „real“ arab)Quote:
Yeah, that guy is very pure and native. Though the NE African on K13 and East African on K12b is also SSA, just not West African. Some minor East African has likely been in Arabia and the Levant since time immemorial.
Hmm yes but I meant more West African as in the Sub_Saharan componentQuote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Are you trying to take away the East Africans' blackness? You sure don't wanna deal with a high T black woman yelling at you :swlQuote:
Originally Posted by Dr_Maul
Half Iranian half Northwestern Euro (Vahaduo is shit for her)
Gedrosia 16.63 Pct
Siberian 0.14 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 1.64 Pct
Atlantic_Med 21.90 Pct
North_European 26.91 Pct
South_Asian 2.08 Pct
East_African 1.46 Pct
Southwest_Asian 7.38 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 21.85 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
54.9% German (Dodecad) + 45.1% Iranians (Behar) @ 2.92
Adiyaman, Turkey result (Turkish/Kurdish mixed):
Gedrosian: 20.60
Siberian: 2.19
Northwest_African: 0.98
Southeast_Asian: 0.38
Atlantic_Med: 10.68
North_European: 8.37
South_Asian 2.20
East_African 0.13
Southwest_Asian: 13.74
East_Asian: 1.89
Caucasian: 38.86
SSA: 0.00
Distance to: Adiyaman
3.08172030 Azerbaijani
3.31826762 Turk_Southeast
3.54235797 Azerbaijani_Iran
3.72400322 Azerbaijani_Turkey
4.70577305 Kurd_Kurmanji
5.17622449 Turkmen_Iraq
5.45764601 Zaza
6.39363746 Turk_Central_East
6.54725897 Kurd_Sorani
7.65619357 Turk_East
7.67312844 Turk_South
7.68429567 Talysh_Azerbaijan
8.10045678 Udi_Azerbaijan
8.35681159 Turk_Central_West
8.54071426 Turk_Anatolia
8.75808769 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
9.72995375 Kurd_KAZ
9.78212145 Lur_Iran
9.85669316 Uzbekistan_Jews
10.36544259 Iranian
10.63545956 Iranian_Fars
10.82481409 Turk_West_BlackSea
11.33661325 Turk_Southwest
12.22726053 Armenian_East
12.35975728 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
Target: Adiyaman
Distance: 0.6197% / 0.61970384 | ADC: 0.25x
45.0 Turk_Southeast
44.6 Kurd_Kurmanji
5.8 Azerbaijani
2.6 Greek_Crete
1.2 Italy_Abruzzo