Thank you, I just noticed your post. Tomorrow will make models for you :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bessarion
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Thank you, I just noticed your post. Tomorrow will make models for you :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bessarion
Croat from Northeast-Bosnia
Population
North_Atlantic 22.96 Pct
Baltic 36.43 Pct
West_Med 13.75 Pct
West_Asian 7.74 Pct
East_Med 14.87 Pct
Red_Sea 2.02 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.45 Pct
Siberian 1.49 Pct
Amerindian 0.29 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
Croat from Mostar (Ljubic ive already posted)
Population
North_Atlantic 29.97 Pct
Baltic 32.70 Pct
West_Med 13.33 Pct
West_Asian 5.87 Pct
East_Med 12.43 Pct
Red_Sea 2.79 Pct
South_Asian 1.14 Pct
East_Asian 0.39 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.27 Pct
Oceanian 1.12 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
Croat from Capljina Area 1
Population
North_Atlantic 24.74 Pct
Baltic 31.98 Pct
West_Med 14.99 Pct
West_Asian 9.23 Pct
East_Med 16.08 Pct
Red_Sea 0.36 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.16 Pct
Siberian 1.34 Pct
Amerindian 1.13 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
Croat from Capljina Area 2
Population
North_Atlantic 20.78 Pct
Baltic 34.37 Pct
West_Med 14.88 Pct
West_Asian 9.93 Pct
East_Med 18.23 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 0.14 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.75 Pct
Amerindian 0.76 Pct
Oceanian 0.15 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
Croat from Capljina Area 3
Population
North_Atlantic 27.89 Pct
Baltic 29.48 Pct
West_Med 16.13 Pct
West_Asian 7.71 Pct
East_Med 16.87 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.65 Pct
Amerindian 0.83 Pct
Oceanian 0.36 Pct
Northeast_African 0.07 Pct
Sub-Saharan -
Croat Greatuncle from Tomislavgrad
Population
North_Atlantic 27.11 Pct
Baltic 31.59 Pct
West_Med 16.43 Pct
West_Asian 5.42 Pct
East_Med 16.40 Pct
Red_Sea 0.76 Pct
South_Asian 0.43 Pct
East_Asian 0.91 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.82 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.12 Pct
Croat from Lika
Population
North_Atlantic 29.21 Pct
Baltic 33.79 Pct
West_Med 14.03 Pct
West_Asian 6.93 Pct
East_Med 13.13 Pct
Red_Sea 0.79 Pct
South_Asian 0.28 Pct
East_Asian 0.33 Pct
Siberian 0.97 Pct
Amerindian 0.25 Pct
Oceanian 0.28 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
Croat from Hercegovina
Population
North_Atlantic 22.19 Pct
Baltic 35.64 Pct
West_Med 16.03 Pct
West_Asian 7.99 Pct
East_Med 14.58 Pct
Red_Sea 0.63 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.92 Pct
Siberian 0.38 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.85 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.79 Pct
Done. I presume it is very difficult to have a reliable average for Istria. It varies depending on the part of Istria, different ethnic-cultural mixtures, historical migrations etc., and this is by excluding migrations and mixed marriages since the 1940s. I think that average will change drastically with every new sample.Quote:
Originally Posted by Est.1992
Croat K13 regional and new national averages will be also included on vahaduo source list? That would be great, you done an excellent job.
all south Croat averages are very similar.. maybe averaging by genetic groups is better after allQuote:
Originally Posted by Est.1992
I added Croat averages to K13 Updated http://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/k13-vahaduo.htm
you deleted the Morlach and Slavic south Croats?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukasz
Hey guys, I am quite busy at the moment but will try to answer PMs and reply here.
My Croatian averages were weighted to be most realistic possible, for example in total Croat average I included separately Croatian regions + mean average of BiH Croats.
I didn't add each BiH region separetly, but their average because BiH Croats are much less numerous than Croatia Croats and it would make them overrepresented.
So my national averages are made from regional averages, not from each individual result, because than some regions would be extremely overrepresentaed.
Croat_BiH = Tropolje+Herzegovina+Bosnia averages
Croat_Croatia = Zagreb+Zagorje+Central Croatia+Lika-Senj+Dalmatia averages
Croat = Zagreb + Lika-Senj + Dalmatia + Zagorje + Central Croatia + Croat_BiH averages
I asked him too. Morlach average is obsolete, because not all people in there are unmixed, I found that out later.Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
These samples were cherrypicked (Slavic cluster too)
Bosniak Tuzla is too, it includes specific few Bosniaks who all score same type of results and doesn't represent how average Bosniaks from there score ofcourse.
That's why I always remove it in my runs.
:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bessarion
Distance to: Bessarion
3.55025351 Hungarian
4.72911197 Hungarian_Transdanubia
5.73823143 Croat_Croatia
5.82176090 Croat
6.10909977 Croat_Zagreb
6.12676913 Croat_Central_Croatia
6.32324284 Szekely_Hungarian
6.39854105 Slovenian
6.48832028 Hungarian_East
6.80173507 Croat_Bosnia
6.83046851 Croat_Zagorje
6.85547956 Csango_Gymes
7.04613369 Croat_BiH
7.15785582 Croat_Tropolje
7.25290287 Croat_Lika-Senj
7.33797230 Serbian_Bosnia
7.46277428 Austrian
7.70158425 Moldova_North
7.85049680 Bosniak
8.04870797 Serb_Krajina
8.23479812 Croat_Dalmatia
8.25105908 Bosniak_Sarajevo
8.27340317 Croat_Herzegovina
8.34005396 Serb_Dalmatia
8.45358504 Serb_Croatia
Target: Bessarion
Distance: 1.7552% / 1.75522746 | ADC: 0.25x
49.6 Hungarian_Transdanubia
17.8 Croat_Central_Croatia
16.6 Croat_Zagorje
9.4 Bulgarian_Burgas
6.2 Turk_Targovishte
0.4 Pomak_Central-Macedonia
Target: Bessarion
Distance: 2.3981% / 2.39813029 | ADC: 0.5x
60.2 Hungarian_Transdanubia
31.8 Croat
8.0 Bulgarian_Burgas
Target: Bessarion
Distance: 3.2481% / 3.24807361 | ADC: 1x
66.2 Hungarian_Transdanubia
33.8 Croat
Thanks :)Quote:
Originally Posted by MoroLP
I'll make Istrian average, update slightly those I have with few new samples and ofcourse add Istrians to Croat and Croat_Croatia averages.
Maybe I should wait until next week end to send to Lucas, to see how many more we will get.
I think very few, we already collected most that are available in my opinion.
Those I made are now on updated Vahaduo, time to celebrate :P
Thanks!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ljubic
I have these 3 from Čapljina and that one from Herzegovina, don't have Lika, Tomislavgrad, NE Bosnia, and Mostar. They will be added.
Is person half NE Bosnia half Herzegovina you posted in the past from your family?
This one:23.37,31.99,15.85,9.54,13.45,3.45,0.64,0.00,0. 75,0.00,0.06,0.06,0.83
Thats my father 23andMe V3 restult and he cant be a valid sample because he is 1/4 Serbian. Also did you match these 3 from Capljina?Quote:
Originally Posted by Est.1992
Thanks a lot...Quote:
Originally Posted by Est.1992
As usual, when calculating with regional data/input getting, as a rule, a Hungarian, which is pretty strong as I see in comparison to other distances (distance).
How do you comment that in almost all tests Hungarians have a very high NW European component?
To me is interestingly from which historical source Croats from Zagorje get also high Northern part. Is it from some more recent AH migration or it is a simple ancient Celtic substrate because this area was within the reach of Hallstatt culture?
Can you please share the Dodecad K12b components?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bessarion
Here...Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 North_European 42.23
2 Atlantic_Med 27.63
3 Caucasus 18.76
4 Gedrosia 5.61
5 Southwest_Asian 3.24
6 East_Asian 1.29
Finished reading population data. 223 populations found.
12 components mode.
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Least-squares method.
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Hungarians_Behar @ 6.957142
2 German_Dodecad @ 12.339757
3 Romanians_Behar @ 12.510336
4 Bulgarian_Dodecad @ 14.684443
5 Bulgarians_Yunusbayev @ 15.072104
6 Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad @ 17.618778
7 Dutch_Dodecad @ 19.116018
8 French_Dodecad @ 20.449978
9 French_HGDP @ 20.744167
10 Kent_1000Genomes @ 21.686558
11 CEU30_1000Genomes @ 21.733912
12 English_Dodecad @ 21.966000
13 British_Isles_Dodecad @ 23.132723
14 N_Italian_Dodecad @ 23.489594
15 Ukranians_Yunusbayev @ 23.628162
16 Polish_Dodecad @ 23.668234
17 Swedish_Dodecad @ 23.680651
18 O_Italian_Dodecad @ 23.918798
19 Cornwall_1000Genomes @ 24.268002
20 Norwegian_Dodecad @ 24.357216
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% German_Dodecad +50% Romanians_Behar @ 1.843488
Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Belorussian_Behar +25% Pais_Vasco_1000Genomes +25% Turkish_Dodecad @ 1.216997
Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Lithuanian_Dodecad + Pais_Vasco_1000Genomes + Turkish_Dodecad + Ukranians_Yunusbayev @ 1.211353
2 Belorussian_Behar + Belorussian_Behar + Pais_Vasco_1000Genomes + Turkish_Dodecad @ 1.216997
3 Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad + O_Italian_Dodecad + Romanians_Behar + Russian_Dodecad @ 1.232883
4 Belorussian_Behar + Pais_Vasco_1000Genomes + Russian_B_Behar + Turkish_Dodecad @ 1.255145
5 Argyll_1000Genomes + Bulgarian_Dodecad + O_Italian_Dodecad + Russian_B_Behar @ 1.263436
6 Argyll_1000Genomes + Bulgarians_Yunusbayev + O_Italian_Dodecad + Russian_B_Behar @ 1.316979
7 CEU30_1000Genomes + O_Italian_Dodecad + Romanians_Behar + Russian_B_Behar @ 1.328304
8 Bulgarian_Dodecad + O_Italian_Dodecad + Orkney_1000Genomes + Russian_B_Behar @ 1.345327
9 English_Dodecad + O_Italian_Dodecad + Romanians_Behar + Russian_B_Behar @ 1.351310
10 Dutch_Dodecad + O_Italian_Dodecad + Romanians_Behar + Russian_Dodecad @ 1.361343
11 Belorussian_Behar + Belorussian_Behar + Pais_Vasco_1000Genomes + Turks_Behar @ 1.371008
12 Bulgarian_Dodecad + CEU30_1000Genomes + O_Italian_Dodecad + Russian_B_Behar @ 1.380990
13 Bulgarian_Dodecad + English_Dodecad + O_Italian_Dodecad + Russian_B_Behar @ 1.393886
14 Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad + O_Italian_Dodecad + Romanians_Behar + Russian_B_Behar @ 1.396001
15 Bulgarian_Dodecad + O_Italian_Dodecad + Orcadian_HGDP + Russian_B_Behar @ 1.397944
16 Kent_1000Genomes + O_Italian_Dodecad + Romanians_Behar + Russian_B_Behar @ 1.403228
17 Dutch_Dodecad + O_Italian_Dodecad + Romanians_Behar + Russian_B_Behar @ 1.408723
18 Bulgarian_Dodecad + Irish_Dodecad + O_Italian_Dodecad + Russian_B_Behar @ 1.416820
19 Argyll_1000Genomes + O_Italian_Dodecad + Romanians_Behar + Russian_B_Behar @ 1.421489
20 Bulgarian_Dodecad + Dutch_Dodecad + O_Italian_Dodecad + Russian_Dodecad @ 1.435555
Thanks but I asked you only for the components like you did with K13 and K15.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bessarion
Quote:
K13
Population
North_Atlantic 32.03 Pct
Baltic 29.73 Pct
West_Med 12.69 Pct
West_Asian 9.03 Pct
East_Med 12.57 Pct
Red_Sea 0.74 Pct
South_Asian 0.19 Pct
East_Asian 0.74 Pct
Siberian 0.78 Pct
Amerindian 1.27 Pct
Oceanian 0.22 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
K15
Population
North_Sea 25.40 Pct
Atlantic 18.20 Pct
Baltic 17.76 Pct
Eastern_Euro 9.24 Pct
West_Med 8.40 Pct
West_Asian 9.74 Pct
East_Med 8.76 Pct
Red_Sea 0.48 Pct
South_Asian 0.10 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.59 Pct
Siberian 0.12 Pct
Amerindian 1.14 Pct
Oceanian 0.06 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
Thanks, I suspected that and that's why I asked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ljubic
My father matches them.
There was continuous settlement of Germanic tribes in Carpathian Basin trough history (some ever accompanied conquering tribes, also Goths, Gepids, medieval German and Dutch settlers, later Danube Swabians, Saxons in Transylvania). Also Celts were present in the era.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bessarion
NW Croats have ancient Celtic substrate, they are very unmixed rural Croats for the most part.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Est.1992
#proud
Feiichy is a lighter girl compared to you :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Celine
What is the current regional average, distance, and single for the region of Istria and what is the sample size (4)?
If am not mistaken, we have four samples, three from Southwestern Chakavian-Shtokavian ikavian dialect, and one from Northern Chakavian ekavian dialect.
^^^^
8. Istria (sample size=4)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Istria
North_Atlantic 25.69
Baltic 30.12
West_Med 16.73
West_Asian 9.05
East_Med 14.82
Red_Sea 1.68
South_Asian 0.21
East_Asian 0.47
Siberian 0.15
Amerindian 0.11
Oceanian 0.33
Northeast_African 0.08
Sub-Saharan 0.02
Spoiler!
Southern most shifted Croat average so far, and quite heterogenous even on small sample size thus reflecting complex demographic history of Istrian peninsula :)
Thank you. From Istrapedia, translated:Quote:
Originally Posted by Est.1992
"Along with the devastation of cities and villages, disturbances in the demographic sense were also plague epidemics (in the 14th century 12 times, in the 14th century 14 times, and in the 16th century 16 times), and then from the end of the 15th century and endemic malaria in parts of cities on the west coast (Pula, Porec, Novigrad, Piran) and natural disasters (harsh and long winters, hailstorms and strong summer storms) that at the end of the 15th century and during the 16th century caused troubles and years of famine. The Austrian and Venetian authorities therefore, during the 15th century and the 16th century persistently colonized the desolate parts of Istria with the population mostly coming from areas suffering from Ottoman military pressure (mostly from Croatia, Dalmatia, Herzegovina and Bosnia, and to a lesser extent from Montenegro, Albania and the Venetian heritage of the Byzantine ruin - eg. Nauplion, Malvasia and Cyprus) or smaller groups and individuals from Italy (Veneto and Friuli) and Austrian countries (Carnia and Carniola). Just as the Venetian authorities attracted the settlers by giving them privileges, so did the Austrian archdukees lure them with the privileges of being released from feudal benefits for a fixed period."
As said it is observed close connection with Dalmatia, Herzegovina and Bosnia, and due to other ethnicities contribution (Montenegrin, Albanian, North and Southern Italian) it is expected to be diverse and additionally Southern shifted. As well, different dialects and villages & municipalities most probably have different averages.
NA ranges from 21 to almost 32 while Baltic from almost 25 to 35, and this is only on a biased and localized sample size of 4. Incredible.
Here is average of Croats who are regional mix of Dalmatia and BiH I made, it won't be added to Vahaduo. Sample size 6.
Croat_Dalmatia/BiH_Mix,27.61,29.78,17.12,8.32,13.05,2.15,0.11,0.1 4,0.26,0.94,0.44,0.00,0.00
Spoiler!
Updated averages with new kits I received this week. Extremely slight changes.
Croat_Herzegovina,25.32,32.45,15.63,8.46,14.03,1.2 1,0.42,0.17,0.56,0.46,0.37,0.00,0.00
(sample size 33)
Croat_Bosnia,26.68,32.63,15.43,7.16,13.90,1.71,0.6 3,0.07,0.69,0.32,0.37,0.00,0.00
(sample size 9)
Croat_Tropolje,26.15,31.62,15.89,9.10,13.29,1.46,0 .37,0.54,0.42,0.64,0.09,0.00,0.00
(sample size 8)
Croat Lika-Senj,26.49,32.99,15.37,7.24,13.13,1.81,0.33,0.34,0 .57,0.33,0.39,0.00,0.00
(sample size 13)
9. Gorski kotar (sample size=24)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorski_Kotar
Collected from: Lič, Čabar, Delnice, Vrbovsko, Mrkopalj municipalities
North Atlantic 30.20
Baltic 32.50
West_Med 14.46
West_Asian 7.52
East_Med 10.28
Red_Sea 1.14
South_Asian 0.67
East_Asian 0.32
Siberian 0.53
Amerindian 0.48
Oceanian 0.24
Northeast_African 0.14
Sub-Saharan 0.11
Unsuprisingly closest to Slovenians. I was very fortunate to get my hands on all these samples :)
Spoiler!
Starčević from Lič is ofcourse part of this average, but as I predicted other samples I got are quite different from his results.
Quite similar to Hrvoje.Quote:
Originally Posted by Est.1992
I'm not sure if you made one for Northwest Croats, but I did one some time back. Its comprised of results I found on this forum. They are five samples: Hrvoje, ph2ter & his wife, a Croat from Sambor, and another Croat from Koprivnica. Hrvoje and the Croat from Koprivnica mentioned they were mixed (with stuff like Czech or Slovene or whatever) but I assume that's normal for NW Croats and their mixture doesn't seem to be recent, so I included them. So you can decide if its reliable.
Anyways, the sample size is 5:
Code:Croat_Northwest,31.65,32.88,13.00,8.90,9.33,1.07,0.63,0.22,0.22,1.17,0.31,0.00,0.09
Hello detective Mingle.
Mingle have right. Feichii made a great job, but for us NW Croats the base is very poor and very inconsistent. Far as I know Hrvoje has Slovenian and Czech ancestry nad his autosomal profile, at least according Gedmatch, G25 is similar to mine.
On several occasions, I suggested that I'm poor represent of NW Croat, cause my German and Czech ancestry. Samobor area was populated with some Sachsens, but not in recent time, so maybe ph2ter have some.
So, yes this NW Croat average doesn't seem representative, till more samples.
Don't worry, you and Hrvoje are not part of NW Croat average. It's made from Ph2ter and his family including wife. But I agree we need more data.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bessarion
I used average made by Ph2ter, those include people with no known foreign ancestry. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mingle
They are obviously not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sultaopiratapreto
How is that connected with ancestry?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sultaopiratapreto
Ok, I see you are troll.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sultaopiratapreto
Third Reich had more Slavic than Germanic allies by the way. But it's not up to me to teach history here, this is genetics thread.
Like all Slavic ethnic groups had Nazi collaborators xD Not that it has anything to do with ancestry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sultaopiratapreto
I think this guy is Cumansky sock, just realised it. Lol :p
Ok, now leave the thread. Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sultaopiratapreto
@Est. 1992, what is the result of a distance and single of the individual of Istria & Medimurje origin recently sent you?