Iranians are not European by any mean. It's a Volga Turkic gene pool. Carlos Quiles knows it, he uses computer generated highly professional program beyond any consideration.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
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Iranians are not European by any mean. It's a Volga Turkic gene pool. Carlos Quiles knows it, he uses computer generated highly professional program beyond any consideration.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Ngl he could even pass in AlbaniaQuote:
Originally Posted by Tanais
haplogroup R is of mongol or turkic nomads origins. That also explains the some asiatic appearance you sometimes can see in North-West, Central and East Europeans.
the reason why some Europeans say that haplogroup R is of "indo-iranian" origins is because they want to believe that their paternal line is not of mongol or turkic origins so they feel themselves better. the closely related / brother haplogroup is haplogroup Q which is also mostly found among mongols, turkics, native-americans, and other asiatic peoples in siberia, altai region, etc.
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Originally Posted by Hashoeva
I am proud to be R, and I am proud of the Turkics who founded our tribes and cultures.
We are not all such Turkophobics; the reason for Turk-fear is the name association with Ottoman legacy (which average, every-day Anatolian Turks bled for just to be seen as having an Arabic cultural face, alphabet, and to have their steppe legacy mocked as "backward"), and the fact that the West has been predominantly Christian while most Turkics today are Muslim.
Turkish Osman and Hungarian Árpád dynasties (Turkic conquering leaders) were both R1a-Z93.
https://i.imgur.com/RrzyFh3.png
This is utter nonsense. Do you even realize that there are different branches of R1a (and R1b)? But even the Asian branches weren't originally Turkic, let alone Mongol (Mongols are less than 10% R1a for example).Quote:
Originally Posted by Hashoeva
Maybe for you it is different but for us Russians/East Slavs there is nothing to be proud of in the Turco-Mongol influence (thank God it's minor or non-existent) because those savage motherfuckers (Turco-Mongols) came to our lands and destroyed and burned down everything. Obviously I don't want to be associated with those centuries of destruction and humiliation. That was a big-ass setback for our civilization and culture.Quote:
Originally Posted by Turul Karom
I don't mind Turkic peoples and languages but not in this case. It's one thing when you claim the conqueror heritage but in our case it's the opposite. The Mongols were demons, worse than Hitler.
Its not nonsense. so what if there are different branches? I am talking about the main brance. Haplogroup R and its brother haplogroup Q is of turkic, mongol or asiatic origins. it were asiatic haplogroup R males who came from the east and went to europe. thats how it went.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Even if it did come from Eastern Eurasia a very, very long time ago, it does not mean it's "Turkic" or "Mongol". I think it must be a lot older than those ethnic categories.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hashoeva
Everyone fights everyone. Even inside meta-ethnicities. This is nothing new. The Mongols were terrible for Hungary as well and wrecked the nation; they were defeated in their second invasion by the half-Magyar, half-Cuman hero-king László IV. The first invasion only happened because we did not surrender the Cumans in Hungary and said we would not join the Mongolian Golden Horde to help push West. Originally the Mongols wished for a Hungarian alliance signed with the blood of Cumans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Under Stalin, Turkics have been deported many times to Siberian deaths. The Nogais, the Crimean Tatars and the Giray clan (who were murdered by Ottomans after losing the last of their land) have never developed a means to fight the modern and larger industrialized Russians in the 18th and 19th centuries, and they were therefore pushed out by superior numbers, technology, and fire power.
I would say that the Russians and Slavics are doing quite well today; Russia borders so many Asiatic nations because of their aggressive expansions and refusal to assimilate early on the Turkics who previously raided them. I also don't think that Mongols are literally seen as worse than Hitler, who had a personal desire to genocide the Slavs.
I don't hate Russians, Germans, or Mongols though. I would say Hungary has been through more crossroads of betrayal and last-stands than Slavs.
The problem is that when people hear "Mongol" or "Turkic", several jump to the image of a very Sinic-looking Chinese man in their head as the representation. They ignore the Sinicization effects from the Mongol and other East Asian phenotype invasions westward and just use the populations there today as reference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hashoeva
For example, this is an Altai felt picture of a Scythian from the border of Mongolia (very important because this is how they made themselves look, not a foreign source) and it is the oldest known image of the Hungarian mustache.
https://i.imgur.com/E5i4dNX.jpg
60 percent of kyrgz people still carrying that genes,the rest mongolized robustly
I don't feel sorry for the C. Tatars, those fuckers raided and pillaged Russian lands for 3 centuries before Catherine the Great finally put an end to that. I believe over 2 million slaves were captured and sold to the Ottomans and elsewhere. Generally I don't feel sorry for any Muslims, I actually think Russian tsars and emperors were way too tolerant and lenient towards Muslims. If I were them, I would have mercilessly extinguished all the fucking Muzzrats just like the Spanish did in the Reconquista. We allowed them to be who they are and now it's increasingly backfiring. Let's not go deeper into that topic though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Turul Karom
60 percent of kyrgyz people still carries that genes,the rest mongolized robustly.
There is J2 in Kyrgyzstan in a small but existing number.Quote:
Originally Posted by Friedrich Ulrich
I'm not saying you need to feel sorry for anyone. I wrote more than that about other things, but I guess that will just be the focus of this point. Basically you just have a particular hatred for Turkic raiders like Hitler did for Slavs at-large. However, you have pivoted to talking about Muslims. This is a far larger group than just some Central Asian Turkics, so are you advocating for an Orthodox Crusade into Jerusalem and down to Mecca to get the Arabs and Israelites?Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
That guy is supposed to have been Scythian, I believe. Pazyryk culture.Quote:
Originally Posted by Turul Karom
Nope. It would be enough to deport them from white and Christian countries. :cool: Obviously we cannot change every country in the world imposing our will upon them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Turul Karom
That's what I said about the ethnicity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
As opposed to sending them to white Muslim countries? Or do you think being a Muslim means not being white, and therefore white is a behavior rather than a biology classification? What about all of the non-Turkic Muslim Crimean peoples?Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
I don't want to continue this conversation. And yes, most Muslims aren't white, like 98% or so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Turul Karom
Ok, that's fine. However, I disagree that somehow religion=race. I'm sure you wouldn't think an Orthodox Somalian who believes 100% the same things you do would be considered white or European, so a Bulgarian, Gaugaz, etc Muslim not being "white" for being Muslim is just as odd to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
European Muslims are a very small percentage of all Muslims in the world. There is like 2 million Bosniaks and 5 million Albanians but not all of them are religious, not all would even identify as Muslim. There are also some thousands of European converts in Western Europe and North America but compared to the Middle East, parts of South Asia and Africa those numbers are just tiny. Religion isn't a race obviosuly but the vast majority of Muslims in and outside of Europe are definitely not of European descent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Turul Karom
Are all Europeans white to you then? I know you make a lot of posts here about various topics, but I honestly don't know or understand your perspectives because I think there are overlapping terms.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Generally speaking, yes, white equals European. There are a few nuances though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Turul Karom
Please don't quote me in this thread anymore, I don't want to continue.
I've already disengaged earlier. This will be all, then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
What subclade of R are you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Turul Karom
We will see.
There really is a chance that the early Turkic people come from one of the sub-subclades of hg R.
For some reason I thought that you asked this before.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mingle
I'm R1b-U106. One Hun and three Hungarian conqueror graves matches my Y-DNA results. I specifically match the Karos III Hungarian grave; we share DNA.
I also have matches in Uzbekistan.
https://i.imgur.com/ORvJXCt.png
Yes. R1b M73Quote:
Originally Posted by Chelubey
And the bashkort R1b clade
Sorry, but your propaganda doesn't work anymore, Steppe_MLBA is a Turkic R1a marker. Get lost.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Last time I checked, Slavs have 50% ANE-related MONGOL FU**ING DNA. Be proud of this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
https://i.imgur.com/AsMls5T.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Leto
What's about N1b-P43 haplogroup among tribal Turks and Azerbaijani nobility? How about Q-M25 among early Xiongnu (Huns) and Turkmens?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chelubey
Like I said in another thread. Why are some obsessed with Haplogroup R. For Turks to deny Haplogroup Q and N so much..I don't get it. Why do they do it. They act as if the majority of Turkic people's belong to haplogroup R where in fact only a fraction of them belong to that particular haploQuote:
Originally Posted by Hajimurad
i have yet to understand why people think Q-M25 is a "turkic" haplogroup.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hajimurad
Do you mean this subclade?https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%93...4%D0%9D%D0%9A).Quote:
Originally Posted by Hajimurad
Yes, Turkmens have a lot of Q-M25. But other Oguz tribes do not have many. Turkmen neighbors - Kazakhs, Uzbeks, Kyrgyz, have 3-5% of the total. At the same time, I am not sure that the Kazakhs and Kyrgyz have the same Turkmen subclade. The correlation between this subclade and Turkic people is too weak, especially if we assume recent expansion of turkic peoples. Usually, for Turks, haplogroup Q goes as minor together with subclades of haplogroup R. This situation has been observed since at least the Iron Age in Europe and cenral Asia. Paleogenetics has not yet found big Q-rich populations in the early Middle Ages in the Central Asian region or Europe, wich we can relate with turkic expantions
This is more about reconstructing the early history of Turkic populations than a haplogroup fetish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Illyrius
True enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chelubey
They want to claim Indo Europeans as their own that's why.
Who claims that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Illyrius
Some Pan Turanian freaks claim that the Indo Europeans descended from them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bender1999
Never heard something like this...Quote:
Originally Posted by Illyrius