R1a-z93 in Kyrgyz people. Explanation?

[Tanais]

Generally speaking, yes, white equals European. There are a few nuances though.
Please don't quote me in this thread anymore, I don't want to continue.

[Hajimurad]

We will see.
There really is a chance that the early Turkic people come from one of the sub-subclades of hg R.

What's about N1b-P43 haplogroup among tribal Turks and Azerbaijani nobility? How about Q-M25 among early Xiongnu (Huns) and Turkmens?

[Illyrius]

What's about N1b-P43 haplogroup among tribal Turks and Azerbaijani nobility? How about Q-M25 among early Xiongnu (Huns) and Turkmens?

Like I said in another thread. Why are some obsessed with Haplogroup R. For Turks to deny Haplogroup Q and N so much..I don't get it. Why do they do it. They act as if the majority of Turkic people's belong to haplogroup R where in fact only a fraction of them belong to that particular haplo

[aklifal]

What's about N1b-P43 haplogroup among tribal Turks and Azerbaijani nobility? How about Q-M25 among early Xiongnu (Huns) and Turkmens?

i have yet to understand why people think Q-M25 is a "turkic" haplogroup.

[Chelubey]

What's about N1b-P43 haplogroup among tribal Turks and Azerbaijani nobility? How about Q-M25 among early Xiongnu (Huns) and Turkmens?

Do you mean this subclade?https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%93...4%D0%9D%D0%9A).
Yes, Turkmens have a lot of Q-M25. But other Oguz tribes do not have many. Turkmen neighbors - Kazakhs, Uzbeks, Kyrgyz, have 3-5% of the total. At the same time, I am not sure that the Kazakhs and Kyrgyz have the same Turkmen subclade. The correlation between this subclade and Turkic people is too weak, especially if we assume recent expansion of turkic peoples. Usually, for Turks, haplogroup Q goes as minor together with subclades of haplogroup R. This situation has been observed since at least the Iron Age in Europe and cenral Asia. Paleogenetics has not yet found big Q-rich populations in the early Middle Ages in the Central Asian region or Europe, wich we can relate with turkic expantions

[Chelubey]

They act as if the majority of Turkic people's belong to haplogroup R where in fact only a fraction of them belong to that particular haplo

This is more about reconstructing the early history of Turkic populations than a haplogroup fetish.

[Illyrius]

This is more about reconstructing the early history of Turkic populations than a haplogroup fetish.

True enough.
They want to claim Indo Europeans as their own that's why.

[Bender1999]

True enough.
They want to claim Indo Europeans as their own that's why.

Who claims that?

[Illyrius]

Who claims that?

Some Pan Turanian freaks claim that the Indo Europeans descended from them.

[Bender1999]

Some Pan Turanian freaks claim that the Indo Europeans descended from them.

Never heard something like this...