I think you'd also be fine in certain parts of Ukraine, SW in particular since you are fluent in Ukrainian. Those guys would prefer a Negro who speaks Ukrainian to someone like me for example xDQuote:
Originally Posted by Nurzat
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I think you'd also be fine in certain parts of Ukraine, SW in particular since you are fluent in Ukrainian. Those guys would prefer a Negro who speaks Ukrainian to someone like me for example xDQuote:
Originally Posted by Nurzat
you write one sane post followed by a mad one. so now Romanians are foreign in Moldova?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nurzat
in a way they are, aren't they? as Yankees are foreign in Texas or Georgia. I am not a nationalist. I am a regionalist. I understand nation, but I favour region, which is not ethnically exclusive (unlike nation). so as regionalist I am equally Moldovan to a Csango from Bacau, to a Lipovan from Iasi or to a Hutsul from Suceava. regionalism is way better than nationalism - in nationalism neighbours of different ethnic identity fight each other, in regionalism they cooperate and have same regional identity. so yes to us a Bucharester/Kluzser/Timishoran is more foreign than a Csango or a Hutsul and also than a Moldovan from Chisinau or ChernivtsiQuote:
Originally Posted by ixulescu
Didn't you move to north Italy?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nurzat
you're hilarious my man. you're not even fully Romanian, but you claim more rights to the land than a native, gtfoQuote:
Originally Posted by Nurzat
Moldavia is a medieval mix of Vlachs and Rusyns (which we all know means Russian :swl), so Nurzat is 100 percent native to his land.Quote:
Originally Posted by ixulescu
no, I was sent for one month to coordinate a business transferQuote:
Originally Posted by Est.1992
Not necessarily. Romania took in countless Ukrainians and Russians in the past 200 years, far more than what was native. The Russian push to populate Southern Ukraine overflew in Romania.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
There's no way for me to assess whether his Rusyn component is native or not. So I go by the Vlach component. In that regard he's 50% native.
Very specific forename and surname for both Romania's Moldavia and R. Moldova, but the person is full Ashkenazi autosomally.
Lupu
# Population Percent 1 East_Med 35.39 2 West_Med 19.37 3 North_Atlantic 16.27 4 West_Asian 10.83 5 Baltic 7.06 6 Red_Sea 5.99 7 South_Asian 1.49 8 East_Asian 1.1 9 Northeast_African 1.08 10 Siberian 0.8 11 Oceanian 0.62
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance 1 Ashkenazi 3.26 2 Italian_Jewish 5.28 3 Sephardic_Jewish 6.06 4 South_Italian 6.08 5 East_Sicilian 6.11 6 Algerian_Jewish 6.5 7 Central_Greek 7.75 8 West_Sicilian 7.96 9 Tunisian_Jewish 9.46 10 Italian_Abruzzo 9.64 11 Libyan_Jewish 10.33 12 Greek_Thessaly 12.47 13 Cyprian 14.03 14 Tuscan 14.36 15 Lebanese_Muslim 17.4 16 Syrian 18.46 17 Samaritan 19.42 18 Palestinian 19.96 19 Lebanese_Druze 20.09 20 Jordanian 20.22
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance 1 63.7% Ashkenazi + 36.3% Italian_Jewish @ 1.52 2 90.8% Italian_Jewish + 9.2% Erzya @ 1.57 3 90.7% Italian_Jewish + 9.3% Kargopol_Russian @ 1.61 4 90.2% Italian_Jewish + 9.8% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.65 5 90.1% Italian_Jewish + 9.9% Southwest_Russian @ 1.68 6 67.6% Ashkenazi + 32.4% Sephardic_Jewish @ 1.7 7 91.4% Italian_Jewish + 8.6% East_Finnish @ 1.76 8 90.6% Italian_Jewish + 9.4% Russian_Smolensk @ 1.79 9 90.7% Italian_Jewish + 9.3% Estonian_Polish @ 1.81 10 91.5% Italian_Jewish + 8.5% Lithuanian @ 1.82 11 90.8% Italian_Jewish + 9.2% Belorussian @ 1.82 12 89.7% Italian_Jewish + 10.3% Ukrainian @ 1.83 13 89.5% Italian_Jewish + 10.5% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 1.87 14 87% Italian_Jewish + 13% Moldavian @ 1.87 15 91.5% Italian_Jewish + 8.5% Estonian @ 1.88 16 89.7% Italian_Jewish + 10.3% South_Polish @ 1.89 17 91.4% Italian_Jewish + 8.6% Finnish @ 1.9 18 90.4% Italian_Jewish + 9.6% Polish @ 1.96 19 81% Italian_Jewish + 19% Bulgarian @ 1.98 20 88% Italian_Jewish + 12% Croatian @ 1.99
Rusyn = white Croat :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Is that the Moldovan Gagauz Xenia Deli on your avatar?Quote:
Originally Posted by Est.1992
it's possible that the Neolithic Farmer/Mediterranean DNA of Moldovans is not brought by Vlachs but old remnant, because the region was heavily Mediterranean during neolithic - Trypillia/Cucuteni and Globular Amphora peoples in today's northeast Romania Moldova Ukraine and eastern Poland were almost pure Levantine/West Asian. this result below shows that Moldovans could just be a mix of Early Slavs and a local population that already had both Balto-Slavic-like genes (from Indo-Europeans who it's known populated Moldova too) and Mediterranean genes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Target: Nurzat
Distance: 1.8555% / 0.01855460
53.4 RUS_Sunghir_MA
46.6 Scythian_MDA
this could mean if true that we didn't even get Vlach genes or too much of it - I suspect there is no Vlach widespread DNA East of river Siret, only the mountains are heavily Vlach
white Croat + Vlach: now you have rights to the land too :D gotta love Nurzat's arithmetic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Est.1992
HarappaWorld is pretty good for Jews. Can you add it please? Interesting to see a Moldavski YevreyQuote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
That Scythian is a Dacian, and so a Vlach. You do have Vlach genes, don't be a self hating piece of shit too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nurzat
Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
# Population Percent 1 Caucasian 31.29 2 Mediterranean 24.53 3 SW-Asian 16.46 4 NE-Euro 14.38 5 Baloch 8.9 6 S-Indian 1.56 7 Beringian 0.73 8 Pygmy 0.65 9 E-African 0.61 10 Siberian 0.49 11 SE-Asian 0.28 12 Papuan 0.11
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance 1 ashkenazy-jew (behar) 4.2 2 ashkenazi (harappa) 6.68 3 sephardic-jew (behar) 7.26 4 morocco-jew (behar) 7.79 5 tuscan (1000genomes) 14.37 6 tuscan (hgdp) 14.94 7 tuscan (hapmap) 15.52 8 turk-aydin (hodoglugil) 15.64 9 cypriot (behar) 18.41 10 lebanese (behar) 19.01 11 turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) 20.64 12 turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) 20.85 13 syrian (behar) 21.22 14 palestinian (harappa) 21.43 15 jordanian (behar) 21.77 16 turkish (harappa) 22.05 17 lebanese-muslim (haber) 22.08 18 turk (behar) 22.27 19 bulgarian (yunusbayev) 22.31 20 italian (hgdp) 22.41
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance 1 51.4% syrian (behar) + 48.6% italian (hgdp) @ 2.41 2 51.1% palestinian (harappa) + 48.9% italian (hgdp) @ 2.71 3 54.2% lebanese (behar) + 45.8% italian (hgdp) @ 2.73 4 57.1% lebanese-christian (haber) + 42.9% spaniard (1000genomes) @ 2.77 5 87.6% sephardic-jew (behar) + 12.4% orcadian (hgdp) @ 2.8 6 59.8% lebanese-muslim (haber) + 40.2% spaniard (1000genomes) @ 2.84 7 87% sephardic-jew (behar) + 13% utahn-white (hapmap) @ 2.89 8 86.8% sephardic-jew (behar) + 13.2% n-european (xing) @ 2.93 9 63.5% lebanese (behar) + 36.5% spaniard (1000genomes) @ 2.96 10 87.1% sephardic-jew (behar) + 12.9% british (1000genomes) @ 2.96 11 86.8% sephardic-jew (behar) + 13.2% utahn-white (1000genomes) @ 2.96 12 88.4% sephardic-jew (behar) + 11.6% mordovian (yunusbayev) @ 3 13 60.5% syrian (behar) + 39.5% spaniard (behar) @ 3.03 14 89.1% sephardic-jew (behar) + 10.9% russian (hgdp) @ 3.04 15 58.6% tuscan (hapmap) + 41.4% jordanian (behar) @ 3.05 16 84.9% sephardic-jew (behar) + 15.1% hungarian (behar) @ 3.1 17 95.1% ashkenazy-jew (behar) + 4.9% brahui (hgdp) @ 3.12 18 90.1% sephardic-jew (behar) + 9.9% lithuanian (behar) @ 3.12 19 56.7% lebanese-druze (haber) + 43.3% spaniard (1000genomes) @ 3.16 20 50.7% jordanian (behar) + 49.3% italian (hgdp) @ 3.17
if that is a Dacian he is a local Dacian, not a Vlach. Vlachs came with their Latin dialect after 1200 to the region. it's absurd to impose Vlach name over a sample centuries BC. Vlachs lived the mountain corridor that goes from Thessaly to Macedonia to Timok to Caraș to Apuseni. that's where they spread from. Vlach dialect of Moldova is directly descended from Maramures, it's enough to hear them. anyway future Moldova seems to have had the Indo-European+Mediterranean mix before Vlachs, Moldovan scientists should check this hypothesis - if Vlach DNA is minimal East of Siret. but with ancient and medieval samples first, because now even many Bessarabians have some Transylvanian ancestry (those bejinari named Ungureanu and not only)Quote:
Originally Posted by ixulescu
That guy Boicu that we have at the beginning of the list in the undetermined category is from Iasi. Apparently we are relatives on MyHeritage.
1 Baltic 30.57 2 North_Atlantic 20.77 3 West_Med 15.51 4 East_Med 12.12 5 West_Asian 11.77 6 Red_Sea 3.48 7 South_Asian 2.53 8 Oceanian 1.46 9 Siberian 1.45 10 Amerindian 0.35
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance 1 Moldavian 5.34 2 Serbian 7.7 3 Romanian 8.62 4 Croatian 9.01 5 Bulgarian 9.76 6 Hungarian 11.71 7 Ukrainian_Lviv 14.07 8 Austrian 15.52 9 Ukrainian 15.74 10 South_Polish 15.86 11 East_German 16.36 12 Greek_Thessaly 17.78 13 Southwest_Russian 18.31 14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 18.34 15 Polish 18.91 16 Tatar 19.33 17 Russian_Smolensk 20.3 18 Estonian_Polish 20.99 19 West_German 21.6 20 Kargopol_Russian 21.65
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance 1 89.5% Moldavian + 10.5% Syrian @ 2.61 2 90.1% Moldavian + 9.9% Georgian_Jewish @ 2.64 3 90.6% Moldavian + 9.4% Kurdish_Jewish @ 2.65 4 90.5% Moldavian + 9.5% Iranian_Jewish @ 2.69 5 90.3% Moldavian + 9.7% Assyrian @ 2.69 6 88.2% Moldavian + 11.8% Turkish @ 2.75 7 89.7% Moldavian + 10.3% Lebanese_Muslim @ 2.76 8 90.1% Moldavian + 9.9% Iranian @ 2.76 9 90.5% Moldavian + 9.5% Armenian @ 2.79 10 89.1% Moldavian + 10.9% Azeri @ 2.86 11 90.2% Moldavian + 9.8% Kurdish @ 2.89 12 90.5% Moldavian + 9.5% Bedouin @ 2.89 13 90.7% Moldavian + 9.3% Samaritan @ 2.9 14 91% Moldavian + 9% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.94 15 90.4% Moldavian + 9.6% Jordanian @ 2.96 16 89.7% Moldavian + 10.3% Cyprian @ 2.98 17 90.8% Moldavian + 9.2% Palestinian @ 3.08 18 92.4% Moldavian + 7.6% Saudi @ 3.24 19 91.2% Moldavian + 8.8% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.25 20 91.6% Moldavian + 8.4% Georgian @ 3.42
where's the evidence they moved at all? genetically Romanians fit Romania and not Macedonia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nurzat
where's the historical evidence than the largest population in the Balkans moved north of Danube in 1200? there is none, because it never happened.
but it's obvious why you like to dream about such nonsense, because you think it legitimizes moldovenism.
No, Croatian girl from Dalmatia :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
check out this thread: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...an-Croat-girls
Southern genes here are mostly of Vlach origin, because outside of Moldova people start to have very northern results, I mean in Ukraine. And in the north this southern influence is gowing only via Carpathian mountains reaching Poland. Plus in Carpathians concetration of E-V13 is very high (16%), wich is totally anormal for Eastern Slavs. Plus the toponymy of Carpathians clearly show who brought this southern influence here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nurzat
It is abnormal, because Eastern Slavs migrated from the Pripyat' marshes here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aspirin
E-V13 was recorded in these parts in the Iron Age. The sample from R. Moldova, scy197 in Glinoe, was an E-V13 from 600BC. Most likely a Getae.
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Population Region Anatolia_N CHG WHG EHG Levant_N Iran_N East Asian SSA AASI SUM Scythian_Moldova_197_Getae 600BC Europe_Southeast 65.8% 11.7% 1.7% 20.0% 0.0% 0.0% 0.8% 0.0% 0.0% 100.0%
I didn't say they came from south of the Danube only - see I said they lived from Thessaly up to Apuseni the entire mountain region. in Romania therefore they spread from the southwest BUT the language spread politically in the past centuries for the most, so we must separate DNA from language. as I've posted before, half of Moldova's territory 100 years ago (including Bucovina) were Csango, Szekler, Rusyn, Hutsul, Lipovan, Goral and German villages. the linguistic Romanianization is something very recent. and the DNA Vlachization East of Siret did not happen - people in this region had similar DNA even two thousand years ago (see Scythian MDA on Global25). some little Vlach in some may be found, with the bejinari movement out of Transylvania and in southern Moldova from southern Romanians (aka Vlach-speaking Bulgaro-Vlachs).Quote:
Originally Posted by ixulescu
btw for Wallachia - do you know just how many hundreds of Wallachian villages were Bulgarian ethnic up to WW2, for example? but if we think of 19th century or before?
This is pure nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nurzat
Here's the minority map 100 years ago. Note that even in the Eastern half of Moldova minorities didn't pass 25% (except in the South, which is not even part of RM these days anyways). In the Western half of Moldova minorities were less than 15% (and mostly Jews by the way). The rest of your post is pure fantasy, Romanians always had the great majority of the population (even if some of it was recently assimilated) in Wallachia and Moldova. Only Transylvania was more multiethnic, but even there Romanians were more than half.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...nic_map_EN.png
In the past 300 years Romania always had a continuous stream of immigrants from the neighbors (Bulgarian, Serbs, Jews, Ukrainians, and even Russians), but with the exception of Jews, they quickly assimilated (in a couple of generations). They were not native anyways - and so they did the sensible thing and assimilated into the majority.
It is not an issue, the language of moldovans is moldavian. The issue is in Romania, though, and not in the so called Moldova region, that is undoubtedly speaking moldavian, but in Transylvania as their intelligentsia are saying the language spoken in Transylvania is moldavian. Even Stati on the cover of the moldavian-romanian dictionary showed that in Transylvania it is spoken the moldavian language. In fact only in some parts of Transylvania it is spoken and those parts happened to be those where the last name Moldovan abound, being the most frequent family name in those areas.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
Now look what the romanian intelligentsia are saying at about 0:40
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utiWRTUwDcg
But is it true or not?
Well well, well, chica, chicior, copchil are moldavian words, so it is true, the language there is modavian with hungarian accent and romanian influences.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNKvStx150k
There is not such thing as the Moldovan language. If it was I wouldn't understand it. The language used in Moldovan media is 100% Romanian, but for the accent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mik20
Moldovenism is a just a comical attempt by the former communists in Chisinau to remain in power. Of course the union with Romania would have removed these bandits from power, so they cling to Russia and this nonsensical ideology of moldovenism.
I can only assume that artsi/Mik20 and aspirin are tied somehow to the power system in Chisinau, cause it's hard to find dumber cheerleaders anywhere else.
You are entitled to call your language as you want. The language used in media, both in Romania and unfortunately in Moldova too it is an artificial one, people don't use it in the everyday life.Quote:
Originally Posted by ixulescu
Now, even so, Romanian language is a 19th century artificial creation, who took quite a bit of influence from moldavian language as the every day valachian language is extremely limited. According even to their intellectuals and linguists who wrote with pity about their poor language when compared to the moldavian one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sf6-ULSmviM
Now, how many languages the meteo girl from Moldova is speaking in the following video? Obviously not two. She is speaking russian. Then a sterile disgusting dead artificial language that in Romania is called romanian and used only in media, but in Moldova can be called moldovan media language unless they use wallachian words. She is also speaking a third language, off camera, the rich moldavian language, the language of Ion Creanga, full of style, flavors, sayings, puns.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZVTPqdhZqc
Now, it is obviously the inferior Romanian language needs to go.
Guys like basescul that tries to promote in Moldova a vastly inferior culture and language are the laughing stock of moldovans. All guys like him have huge personal issues, inferiority complexes, losers or are simply very dumb.
Lol, it was Romanian in kindergarten, school and uni. I did my first 4 classes in primary school in a Russian school, and even there the language and literature class was called Romanian.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mik20
Unlike you, the normal people learn to speak from their parents. So, unless you are an idiot, you get both the language and how it is named from your parents. But we all know that you are one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
As I wrote, not an issue. Now, back to the topic!
Do you like the mixture of Romanian and Russian?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mik20
My parents are literate fortunately, so it was Romanian and Russian, not Moldovan and Pridnestrovian from the very beginning.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mik20
Moldavian is not a mixture of romanian and russian. romanian is a mixture of moldavian and french.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Now, if you read what the author of the lyrics of anthem of Moldova said in 1917, acording to a romanian nationalist that was a witness, maybe some things will be more clear to you.
..after all of them, father Mateevici spoke a lot, abut thirty-forty minutes about all kind of strange things, his speech was a sort of lesson about history and literature, full of mistakes, though. He was saying that us here will learn our Moldavian language, used by the church, not the Frenchified language, used across the Prut (Romania), or the language used by the Bucharest newspapers, that is impossible to understand "like a kind of Tatar language". Moldavian language is very rich, as all the Russian texts can be translated with ease into Moldavian. As proofs he read till boredom translations made by him from Russian texts. He ended with an original poem of his: "Our Language".
Onisifor Ghibu (Romanian nationalist from Transylvania) "In the Whirlpool of the Russian Revolution. Notes from Basarabia of the year 1917", page 164.
He even wrote a poem about what romanians did to the moldavian language called „Noi nu ne intelegem” ("We do not understand each other"). Yet, the as usual that doesn't stop the bastards to consider his poem obout moldavian language "Our language" the most beautiful anthem dedicated to romanian language. The pages of Wikipedia dedicated to his poem and to Mateevici are an insult.
You do realise that you will get banned again soon?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mik20
So you have to be literate to have a maternal language? For hundreds of thousands of years till writing was invented, there were no languages and they had no names? Man, don't waste out time with you bullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
You got a report for this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
Transnistria is about 1/3 Moldovan ethnically and they still write in Cyrillic, though I presume they would rather use Russian for writing.
You have to be literate to understand that it's a synonym for the same thing. That's why in the 21st century, the plurality of Moldovans call it Romanian in Chisinau, the uncontested cultural centre of the country.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mik20
Cavemen can carry on calling it Moldovan and seeing conspiracies and the imaginary destruction of Moldovan identity and nation if they want to. Nothing will change in the real world.
So you saying romanians are speaking moldavian? And if they are synonymous, why there is such a massive propaganda work to remove everything moldavian? That is exactly what cultural genocide is. And you are guilty of it, as I bet this is how you earn you poor payslip.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
You can spare me the bullshit. All this piss talk is wasteful, because at the end of the day, when you were looking for a job, you 100% wrote Romanian in your CV. Otherwise, nobody would have taken you seriously, even if you might have had all the necessary skills, and you know that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mik20
I'm not arguing any longer on language questions with you. It's been Romanian in mandatory education for 30 years already. It's time to adapt with the times, old man.