Sorry Kaspias but the Bulgarians are full Europeans, they have nothing to do with the Middle East or Asia.
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Sorry Kaspias but the Bulgarians are full Europeans, they have nothing to do with the Middle East or Asia.
I think it should not be hard to realize that I posted him to compare with the Turk who are from similar regions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Like:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Ok. By the way, the Bulgarian has very low North Euro. Pretty much Slav in name only.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaspias
Former TA member Prinses, from the East Black Sea. She is ca. 1.5% Mongoloid on multiple calculators
Gedrosia 19.32 Pct
Siberian 0.99 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.52 Pct
Atlantic_Med 11.16 Pct
North_European 4.65 Pct
South_Asian 0.48 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 9.95 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 52.92 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: Prinses
4.81226558 Turk_East_Black_Sea
5.00882222 Hemshin
5.06247963 Turk_Ahiska
5.42868308 Laz
5.64457261 Armenian_East
5.87659766 Greek_Pontus
6.84713079 Georgian_Adjara
7.59310213 Armenian_West
7.67775358 Georgian_Turkey
8.36743688 Turk_East
Target: Prinses
Distance: 2.6695% / 2.66950293 | ADC: 0.5x
32.2 Georgian_Adjara
30.2 Turk_East_Black_Sea
21.2 Armenian_East
16.4 Udi_Azerbaijan
Target: Prinses
Distance: 1.4519% / 1.45185095 | ADC: 0.25x
58.4 Georgian_Adjara
14.0 Armenian_West
14.0 Udi_Azerbaijan
10.6 Turk_East
3.0 Sardinian
Must be an Ahiska Turk
Gedrosia 18.33 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 0.73 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 10.91 Pct
North_European 7.33 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 12.43 Pct
East_Asian 0.20 Pct
Caucasus 50.08 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: Ispirli
2.00883051 Armenian_East
5.00497752 Turk_East
5.44517217 Udi_Azerbaijan
5.48365754 Turk_Ahiska
5.71167226 Armenian_West
6.00861881 Turk_East_Black_Sea
6.88883154 Greek_Pontus
7.51990027 Hemshin
8.29523960 Laz
8.47999410 Mountain_Jew_Chechnya
Target: Ispirli
Distance: 1.1563% / 1.15625922 | ADC: 0.5x
76.8 Armenian_East
13.6 Turk_Ahiska
9.6 Udi_Azerbaijan
Target: Ispirli
Distance: 0.8087% / 0.80874757 | ADC: 0.25x
68.8 Armenian_East
21.6 Turk_Ahiska
8.8 Udi_Azerbaijan
0.8 Spanish_Basque
I've found a few more Northeast Turkish kits, that region is pretty interesting IMO.
This Gedrosia score is very high, 71% omg. Perhaps its around what Makrani gets Iran Neolithic on G25. The oracles are crazzy for this sample; it's nearly on the dead end of the Gedrosian shift.
Kit ES9626713 MAKRANI_HGDP00158
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Gedrosia 71.42
2 Southwest_Asian 13.94
3 South_Asian 7.32
4 Atlantic_Med 3.23
5 Southeast_Asian 1.89
6 North_European 0.84
7 East_African 0.68
8 Caucasus 0.59
9 Sub_Saharan 0.09
Spoiler!
Kit PW3514791 MAKRANI_HGDP00133
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Gedrosia 69.71
2 Southwest_Asian 13.42
3 South_Asian 5.76
4 Atlantic_Med 3.26
5 Caucasus 3.02
6 Northwest_African 1.71
7 Sub_Saharan 1.51
8 Siberian 1.27
9 East_Asian 0.2
10 East_African 0.14
Spoiler!
Kit TT3920762 MAKRANI_HGDP00151
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Gedrosia 65.79
2 Southwest_Asian 9.96
3 South_Asian 7.89
4 Atlantic_Med 4.44
5 Northwest_African 4.17
6 Sub_Saharan 3.42
7 Southeast_Asian 2.2
8 East_African 1.39
9 Caucasus 0.74
Spoiler!
Cappadocian Greeks
Gedrosia 11.94
Siberian 0.78
Northwest_African 0.63
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 21.11
North_European 3.51
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 14.39
East_Asian 0.44
Caucasus 47.21
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: Cappadocian_Greek
3.65654208 Greek_Cappadocia
6.64259738 Greek_Cypriot
8.80734920 Nusayri_Turkey
10.74177825 Armenian_West
12.15833048 Assyrian_West
12.19582716 Greek_Pontus
12.21523639 Armenian_East
12.93196427 Assyrian_South
13.14359159 Assyrian_North
13.19025398 Turk_East
13.35091383 Turk_East_Black_Sea
13.35426898 Greek_Crete
13.38620185 Druze
13.80910569 Azeri_Jew
13.90506742 Mountain_Jew_Chechnya
13.90930264 Sephardic_Jews
14.06219755 Palestinian_Christian
14.39632245 Turk_Central_East
14.67602807 Iraqi_Jew
14.78290229 Syria_SW_Christian
15.17059326 Lebanese
15.40167199 Iranian_Jew
15.73055625 Turk_Central_West
16.04661647 Georgia_Jews
16.07895830 Udi_Azerbaijan
2
Gedrosia 16.87
Siberian -
Northwest_African 3.76
Southeast_Asian 1.07
Atlantic_Med 19.88
North_European 5.44
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 11.74
East_Asian 0.86
Caucasus 40.37
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: Cappadocian_Greek
10.05768860 Greek_Cappadocia
10.46410531 Turk_Central_East
10.47026265 Nusayri_Turkey
11.08732159 Greek_Cypriot
11.14166056 Turk_Central_West
11.53357707 Turk_Southeast
11.57365975 Turk_East
11.90846338 Turk_Anatolia
12.26658469 Greek_Crete
12.56032245 Turk_West_BlackSea
12.65020158 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
12.77803584 Turk_South
12.96189415 Azerbaijani_Turkey
13.25996229 Armenian_West
13.50809757 Azerbaijani
13.56775958 Udi_Azerbaijan
13.72896209 Assyrian_West
13.80608561 Armenian_East
13.85933260 Turk_Southwest
13.96509219 Turkmen_Iraq
14.08349033 Assyrian_South
14.08803748 Azerbaijani_Iran
14.19876755 Zaza
14.22575481 Sephardic_Jews
14.27237191 Assyrian_North
We are deleting Balochi, Makrani and Brahui from Vahaduo, those are inaccurate references. What you posted is just part of the data which was used to create the Gedrosia component.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaazi
If anyone has genuine Baloch kits, make sure to share them.
What do you mean by inaccurate? I don't know if the score is inflated or approximate. They will certainly score 60% or more Iran Neolithic imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Gedmatch calculators are based on modern samples. When you run a kit that was used for creating a calculator reference the results will be massively skewed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaazi
The second one is from https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped..._in_Turkey.svgQuote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Do you know the guy? Or does the nickname tell you his origin? He is pretty much zero Turkic anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fedora
From another forum - Lur/Persian
26.46% Gedrosia
0.04% Siberian
3.42% Northwest_African
0.01% Southeast_Asian
5.33% Atlantic_Med
6.64% North_European
3.75% South_Asian
0.38% East_African
13.29% Southwest_Asian
0.38% East_Asian
40.31% Caucasus
0.00% Sub_Saharan
Using 1 populations approximation
1 100% Talysh_Azerbaijan @ 4.013
2 100% Talysh_Azerbaijan @ 4.013
3 100% Lur_Iran @ 4.576
4 100% Kurd @ 4.773
5 100% Iranian @ 4.812
6 100% Kurd_Sorani @ 4.959
7 100% Kurd_Kurmanji @ 5.045
8 100% Kurds @ 5.453
9 100% Zaza @ 5.625
10 100% Iranians @ 6.924
Using 2 populations approximation
1 50% Talysh_Azerbaijan + 50% Lur_Iran @ 3.354
2 50% Talysh_Azerbaijan + 50% Lur_Iran @ 3.354
3 50% Turkmen_Iraq + 50% Iran_Mazandaran @ 3.420
4 50% Talysh_Azerbaijan + 50% Kurd_Sorani @ 3.525
5 50% Talysh_Azerbaijan + 50% Kurd_Sorani @ 3.525
6 50% Kurd_Kurmanji + 50% Iran_Mazandaran @ 3.547
7 50% Iranian + 50% Kurd_Sorani @ 3.569
8 50% Zaza + 50% Iran_Mazandaran @ 3.608
9 50% Kurd_Sorani + 50% Iran_Mazandaran @ 3.676
10 50% Talysh_Azerbaijan + 50% Kurd @ 3.697
Karachay-Balkar
Gedrosia 18.02 Pct
Siberian 5.30 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.93 Pct
Atlantic_Med 6.95 Pct
North_European 14.54 Pct
South_Asian 0.50 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 7.67 Pct
East_Asian 4.06 Pct
Caucasus 42.03 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Target: Eldar
Distance: 1.1707% / 1.17067622 | ADC: 0.25x
42.8 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
20.8 Kumyks
20.0 Balkar
16.0 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
0.2 Ket
0.2 Saudis
Target: Eldar
Distance: 1.7535% / 1.75353513 | ADC: 0.5x
31.0 Balkar
28.0 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
17.8 Karachay
13.8 Azerbaijani_Turkey
9.4 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
Tribe?Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
No idea, just copied the results. He looks almost like a perfect Iranian to me. Barely any foreign admixture.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr_Maul
>3.42% North AfricanQuote:
Originally Posted by Leto
But yes he is pretty unmixed, which is why I asked his tribe because most of them have a levantine shift
Well, Greeks, Italians score the same or higher amount of NW African and they are Europeans. It's not SSA, probably misread Middle Eastern.
@Kyp, the Azeris I sent you
I.I.,24.82,3.95,3.29,0,8.30,8.22,4.44,0.05,11.65,4.85,30.43,0
Distance to: I.I.
6.58571181 Iran_Khorasan
8.61229354 Iranian_Fars
8.91815003 Turkmen_Iran
9.15753788 Turkmens
9.79862745 Azerbaijani_Iran
9.84859381 Azerbaijani
11.30005752 Kurd_Kurmanji
11.33174303 Kurd_Sorani
11.42234214 Turk_Southeast
11.52227408 Azerbaijani_Turkey
Target: I.I.
Distance: 2.0052% / 2.00524614 | ADC: 0.25x
41.4 Iranian_Fars
40.0 Turkmens
10.2 Yoruk
4.0 Morocco_Jews
3.4 Moroccan
0.6 Spanish_Asturias
0.4 Saudis
RI,22.65,2.61,0,0,9.18,7.88,3.40,0,10.53,4.04,39.71,0
Distance to: RI
2.90396281 Azerbaijani_Turkey
2.97144746 Azerbaijani_Iran
3.30514750 Azerbaijani
5.51400943 Kurd_Kurmanji
5.78987910 Zaza
5.93248683 Talysh_Azerbaijan
6.31199651 Turk_Southeast
7.67822245 Turkmen_Iraq
7.74990323 Kurd_Sorani
8.23685620 Turk_Central_East
Target: RI
Distance: 1.6376% / 1.63761249 | ADC: 0.25x
80.6 Azerbaijani_Turkey
12.8 Iranian
4.6 Iran_Khorasan
1.4 Burusho
0.4 Georgian_Adjara
0.2 Korean
Target: RI
Distance: 1.8644% / 1.86443030 | ADC: 0.5x
83.0 Azerbaijani_Turkey
9.0 Iranian
8.0 Iran_Khorasan
Ilqar,22.90,0.91,1.68,0.73,8.77,8.12,4.27,0.43,12.39,4.94,34.86,0
Distance to: Ilqar
5.18646315 Azerbaijani
5.30677868 Azerbaijani_Iran
6.98217731 Azerbaijani_Turkey
7.21652964 Kurd_Kurmanji
7.24775138 Turk_Southeast
7.38030487 Turkmen_Iraq
7.43246931 Iranian_Fars
7.44252645 Kurd_Sorani
7.82019181 Iran_Khorasan
8.86050224 Zaza
Target: Ilqar
Distance: 1.5359% / 1.53588455 | ADC: 0.25x
52.4 Azerbaijani
33.6 Iranian_Fars
8.6 Iran_Khorasan
1.8 Korean
1.6 Spanish_Asturias
1.0 Moroccan
1.0 Turkmen_Iraq
Target: Ilqar
Distance: 2.6989% / 2.69885627 | ADC: 0.5x
61.8 Azerbaijani
18.6 Iran_Khorasan
18.4 Iranian_Fars
0.8 Moroccan
0.4 Korean
Ulvi,21.77,1.82,2.32,0.22,9.33,8.35,3.74,0,11.73,5.42,35.30,0
Distance to: Ulvi
4.51227215 Azerbaijani
5.04669199 Azerbaijani_Iran
6.11686194 Azerbaijani_Turkey
6.22873181 Turk_Southeast
7.69891551 Kurd_Kurmanji
7.98648233 Turkmen_Iraq
8.46645735 Turk_South
8.50564518 Kurd_Sorani
8.84429760 Iran_Khorasan
9.13580867 Iranian_Fars
Target: Ulvi
Distance: 1.6297% / 1.62974335 | ADC: 0.25x
71.6 Azerbaijani
16.8 Iran_Khorasan
6.8 Iranian_Fars
3.0 Moroccan
1.6 Korean
0.2 Sardinian
Target: Ulvi
Distance: 2.6011% / 2.60113758 | ADC: 0.5x
78.4 Azerbaijani
19.2 Iran_Khorasan
1.8 Moroccan
0.4 Korean
0.2 Yoruk
Lur Persian mix or Persian lur?Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
I think the former. The Lurs are basically some type of Persian though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bender1999
Yes sure. I don’t think this result is atypical for them, maybe a bit more steppe than average but nothing atypical. Pure Westiranic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
They have interesting results. I wonder from which region they are from.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Edit: I know where they are from
Some Iranian:
Gedrosian: 23.50
Siberian: 2.11
Northwest_African: 1.21
Southeast_Asian: 0.28
Atlantic_Med: 6.17
North_European: 10.58
South_Asian 5.40
East_African 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 9.74
East_Asian: 3.34
Caucasian: 37.67
SSA: 0.00
Distance to: Iran
5.33972846 Azerbaijani_Iran
5.72543448 Azerbaijani
6.52446166 Azerbaijani_Turkey
7.09799972 Talysh_Azerbaijan
7.15874291 Iran_Khorasan
7.55868375 Kurd_Kurmanji
8.17915644 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
8.38712108 Iranian_Fars
8.45645907 Zaza
8.65882209 Kurd_Sorani
8.73304071 Iranian
9.13880189 Turk_Southeast
9.88870568 Lur_Iran
9.96467260 Turkmen_Iraq
10.23145151 Kurd_KAZ
10.83198043 Iran_Mazandaran
11.10184219 Turk_South
11.31036693 Udi_Azerbaijan
11.33206954 Turk_Central_East
12.19202198 Turkmen_Iran
12.21492939 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
12.32906322 Turk_Anatolia
12.33335721 Turk_East
12.41332752 Turkmens
12.72665313 Turk_Central_West
Target: Iran
Distance: 1.3049% / 1.30486611 | ADC: 0.25x
41.0 Azerbaijani_Iran
28.2 Iran_Khorasan
22.0 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
4.8 Talysh_Azerbaijan
2.8 Kumyks
1.2 Pulliyar
Iranian Name:
Gedrosian: 19.98
Siberian: 2.58
Northwest_African: 1.24
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 7.23
North_European: 7.23
South_Asian 2.67
East_African 0.48
Southwest_Asian: 11.99
East_Asian: 4.50
Caucasian: 41.11
SSA: 0.99
Distance to: IranAz
3.22828128 Azerbaijani_Turkey
3.78577601 Azerbaijani_Iran
4.19904751 Azerbaijani
5.71434161 Turk_Southeast
6.29119226 Zaza
6.53453135 Kurd_Kurmanji
6.81835757 Talysh_Azerbaijan
7.17634308 Turk_East
7.20975034 Turkmen_Iraq
7.31807352 Turk_Central_East
7.75856946 Udi_Azerbaijan
8.03221016 Kurd_Sorani
8.32173660 Turk_South
8.43029655 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
9.51749967 Kurd_KAZ
9.71123061 Turk_Anatolia
10.03569131 Turk_Central_West
10.06241025 Lur_Iran
10.14415102 Iranian
10.94491206 Iraqi_Baghdad
11.44339984 Iranian_Fars
11.63743528 Armenian_East
11.66156936 Mountain_Jew_Chechnya
11.89572612 Azeri_Jew
11.92057046 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
Target: IranAz
Distance: 1.6859% / 1.68590879 | ADC: 0.25x
42.6 Azerbaijani_Turkey
37.2 Azerbaijani_Iran
9.8 Georgia_Jews
4.4 Talysh_Azerbaijan
3.4 Georgian_Mingrelian
1.0 Korean
Wow, I don't want to spam this thread with my results, but this is what I get on Vahaduo K12b, in comparison with this Iranian:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyp
Target: Chris
Distance: 2.6583% / 2.65829839 | ADC: 0.25x
95.6 Serb
2.4 Georgian_Mingrelian
1.0 Korean
0.6 Nogai
0.4 Croat
The 95% Serbian is basically the 95% Balkan which Myheritage gave me, the rest was not too accurate. 1% Korean or something would have been accurate because I saw other Szekely Hungarians who got 2-2.5% Korean/Japanese and I'm basically half Szekely Hungarian and they gave me nothing. Just an interesting observation I thought I would share here. I hope it will get fixed in the newest update, but I have little hope after what FTDNA has done...
Azerbaijani from Ağstafa. It seems this is a high Turkic influenced region.
Gedrosian: 20.66 Pct
Siberian: 4.09 Pct
Northwest_African: -
Southeast_Asian: 1.64 Pct
Atlantic_Med: 10.51 Pct
North_European: 8.46 Pct
South_Asian 1.70 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian: 10.29 Pct
East_Asian: 5.23 Pct
Caucasian: 37.44 Pct
SSA: -
Yep, but note a lot of Mongoloid already is hidden in the Azerbaijani components of the Iranian result (who is probably Azeri/Persian).Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris596
The Lurî were originally a subsection of the Kurds and until 100 years ago were still academically considered Kurds. They are still extremely similar to Feylî Kurds (in dialect and geography).Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Due to lack of national awareness amongst Kurds, they eventually lost that identity but there are still a few who are aware of their Kurdish identity. I know someone who joined PAK (Kurdistan Freedom Party) and he mentioned to me that there were several Lurî serving in the army.
10% North European in the Iranian is interesting. He must be half Azeri or something.
But they are Shia, aren't they? Living in Iran and being Shia really makes them close to the Persians.Quote:
Originally Posted by Halgurd
Yes, Lurî and Feylî Kurds are both Shia but this conversion happened recently. Formerly, they were Yarsan. Yarsanism in itself shares many similarities with Shia Islam (although not in its pure, original form but rather in its modern, corrupted form), hence why it became more attractive to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Genetically speaking, Lurîs are interesting as they have high levels of E-M78. The highest in Iran, apparently. A significant portion of this E-M78 would be V13.
Kurd (Zaza?) from Turkey:
a lot of matches from Dersim region.
Gedrosia 22.52 Pct
Siberian 0.28 Pct
Northwest_African 1.03 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 11.58 Pct
North_European 12.18 Pct
South_Asian 3.37 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 11.64 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 37.40 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Daughter or mother:
Gedrosia 20.95 Pct
Siberian 1.14 Pct
Northwest_African 2.03 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 9.49 Pct
North_European 10.78 Pct
South_Asian 2.63 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 13.95 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 39.04 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
That is very interesting. I saw some results from there but never saw more than 8% NE.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyp
Very high European and it's not from Turks (their Mong is basically zero). Keeping Aryan heritage alive :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyp
Kyp, do you have an updated IR/AZ spreadsheet?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bender1999
A huge blow for us Turanists :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Leto
No it's not updated yet
Lurs specifically Bakhtiyars especially those living in Fars and Isfahan have nothing to do with Kurds really, they are just Nomadic Persians. Lurs of Lorestan, Ahvaz, and the western parts changed from Kurdish identity as it became more affiliated with the Ottoman state.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Aren't Kurds just nomadic Persians? And Persians city-dwelling Kurds at the end of the day?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr_Maul
Yeah, interestingly their Caucasus and SW Asian aren't low, maybe Gedrosia is on the lower end of the spectrum but overall they seem just naturally more "Steppic" for whatever reason.
I saw 9% North European in a Kurd but never above 10%.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bender1999
If you consider the fact that Ethnolinguistic groups in Iran are castes and not races, yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyp
Iranian Azerbaijani confirmed!Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyp