Who, genetically, are the least Slavic of the Slavs?

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Originally Posted by Varda

I1 among Dalmatian Serbs is 20%+ only with 13-14 tested Macure. With reduced Macure (when only 1 Macura is counted) it's lower but still high.

Nothern Dalmatian Serbs posted by Neša in August this year (116 samples) https://forum.poreklo.rs/index.php?t...1471#msg161471
I2-Y3120 = 42.2%
I1 = 14.7%
E1b = 12.1%
R1a = 9.5%
J2b = 7.8%
N2 = 7.8%
R1b = 3.4%
J1 = 2.6%

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I1 is so high. Could it be of Slavic origin?
I find it hard to believe Goths had such an impact in Balkans.

Bosniaks, Croatians, Slovenes, etc. Serbians are true Slavs! Bulgarians and Macedonians are not even Slavs at all! Why mention them? Turks! All of them!

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Originally Posted by -Scar-

I1 is so high. Could it be of Slavic origin?

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No.

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I find it hard to believe Goths had such an impact in Balkans.

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Percentages are irrelevant. These are small subgroups where lot of haplotypes descend from few men.

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Originally Posted by Stearsolina

No.


Percentages are irrelevant. These are small subgroups where lot of haplotypes descend from few men.

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Aha I see thanks. What I meant is that Slavs could've picked some I1 before migrating to Balkans.

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Originally Posted by -Scar-

Aha I see thanks. What I meant is that Slavs could've picked some I1 before migrating to Balkans.

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Yes, but I doubt. One of I1 in Serbs is of Norman origin (came via Sicily) other is more Gothic, they share clade with a Belarusian iirc but if it was absorbed by Slavs it would be widespread among various Slavic groups.
For rest of I1 haplotypes not sure.

Kowalenko Goths and Langobards has lot of I1 if I am not mistaken. Perhaps Gepids too.

The least Slavic genetically of the Slavs it´s me.

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Originally Posted by -Scar-

I1 is so high. Could it be of Slavic origin?
I find it hard to believe Goths had such an impact in Balkans.

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I believe that part of I1 among Serbs and other South Slavs came with Slavs (Slavs probably assimilated some Germanic people in central and eastern Europe before migration). Sorbs have high I1, i think it's their second strongest haplo after the R1a.

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Originally Posted by Varda

According to this statistic down J2b-M205 is 4.2% in Dalmatian Croatians.
Among Bosniaks J2b-M205 is the highest in Bosanska Krajina.

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Among us in Sandzak, the dominant J2 subclade is J2b-M241, the total J2 is above 14% while among Bosnia Bosniaks, it's less 3,7% (and mostly J2b-M205)

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Originally Posted by -Scar-

I1 is so high. Could it be of Slavic origin?
I find it hard to believe Goths had such an impact in Balkans.

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Originally Posted by Varda

I believe that part of I1 among Serbs and other South Slavs came with Slavs (Slavs probably assimilated some Germanic people in central and eastern Europe before migration). Sorbs have high I1, i think it's their second strongest haplo after the R1a.

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Slavicised Germans (down) http://www.macure.net/en/Home#!Genet...uPlemenaMacura

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Originally Posted by Stearsolina

Interesting. Adriatic Islanders have high NA too but I tought it could be more preserved Illyrian ancestry (maybe it isn't).
How do you explain high NA in Macedonian Slavs? They often get it more than Baltic.

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Yeah , Macedonians have in 90% cases more NA than Baltic but I have also few with really high NA , for sure from pre-slavic - balkans ( Macedonians/Illyrians )

Also Helladic Logkas 04 sample from Middle Bronze age have high NA,


Population
North_Atlantic 27.02 Pct
Baltic 17.23 Pct
West_Med 18.01 Pct
West_Asian 13.06 Pct
East_Med 18.04 Pct
Red_Sea 1.55 Pct
South_Asian 0.08 Pct
East_Asian 0.5 Pct
Siberian 0.83 Pct
Amerindian 2.35 Pct
Oceanian 0.3 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.13 Pct



Similar modern Macedonians with really high NA:

Population
North_Atlantic 27.57 Pct
Baltic 17.4 Pct
West_Med 19.09 Pct
West_Asian 10.32 Pct
East_Med 19.86 Pct
Red_Sea 3.94 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 1.08 Pct
Oceanian 0.75 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Population
North_Atlantic 29.57 Pct
Baltic 21.12 Pct
West_Med 20.79 Pct
West_Asian 5.65 Pct
East_Med 19.51 Pct
Red_Sea 2.09 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 1.22 Pct
Siberian 0.05 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Population
North_Atlantic 27.22 Pct
Baltic 20.47 Pct
West_Med 17.57 Pct
West_Asian 13.12 Pct
East_Med 17.72 Pct
Red_Sea 1.04 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 2.08 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.78 Pct



Population
North_Atlantic 30.35 Pct
Baltic 21.82 Pct
West_Med 18.71 Pct
West_Asian 8.94 Pct
East_Med 17.56 Pct
Red_Sea 1.92 Pct
South_Asian 0.26 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.33 Pct
Amerindian 0.06 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -