Dodecad k12b West & Central Asian results Vol 4.

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Finally a Tat result from Azerbaijan. All ancestors of this person are Tats from Khizi, Azerbaijan.

Gedrosia 22.02 Pct
Siberian 1.07 Pct
Northwest_African 1.12 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.54 Pct
Atlantic_Med 6.49 Pct
North_European 12.52 Pct
South_Asian 2.08 Pct
East_African 0.06 Pct
Southwest_Asian 11.03 Pct
East_Asian 1.89 Pct
Caucasus 41.18 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Tat
3.85045452 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
4.65438503 Azerbaijani_Republic
5.84170352 Azerbaijani_Iran
5.84439903 Azerbaijani_Turkey
6.67711015 Talysh_Azerbaijan
6.83108337 Zaza/Kurd_Turkey
7.17584141 Kurd_Kurmanji
7.37837380 Udi_Azerbaijan
8.62813421 Turk_Southeast
8.69955746 Yazidi
9.02170161 Turk_East
9.02471606 Kurd_Sorani
9.16894760 Iranian_Zoroastrian
9.62963135 Iranian_Central
9.76515233 Turkmen_Iraq
9.83441915 Turk_Central_East
10.11096435 Ingush
10.13237879 Kurd_Feyli
10.30495027 Kumyk
10.76097115 Turk_South
10.86037753 Adyghe
11.25849457 Iranian_Lur
11.31925351 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
11.62218138 Abazin
11.72480703 Kabardin

Distance to: Tat
1.70986316 83.40% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 16.60% Kurdish_Jew
1.77401632 81.40% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 18.60% Azerbaijani_Jew
1.78240875 84.20% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 15.80% Iraqi_Jew
1.81055135 17.80% Assyrian_South + 82.20% Azerbaijani_Dagestan
1.83511766 18.00% Assyrian_North + 82.00% Azerbaijani_Dagestan
1.85557861 44.60% Chechen + 55.40% Turkmen_Iraq
1.87291930 17.40% Assyrian_West + 82.60% Azerbaijani_Dagestan
1.88168522 82.60% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 17.40% Mandean
1.90543842 39.40% Kumyk + 60.60% Zaza/Kurd_Turkey
1.97924347 41.80% Balkar + 58.20% Kurd_Sorani
1.98559679 49.00% Ingush + 51.00% Turkmen_Iraq
1.99505199 43.00% Circassian + 57.00% Kurd_Sorani
2.13710144 36.00% Balkar + 64.00% Kurd_Kurmanji
2.13786327 43.40% Abazin + 56.60% Kurd_Sorani
2.14668675 88.20% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 11.80% Palestinian_Christian
2.15387716 88.60% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 11.40% Syrian_Christian
2.16437768 43.20% Kabardin + 56.80% Kurd_Sorani
2.17393603 88.80% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 11.20% Jordanian_Christian
2.19265649 87.20% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 12.80% Lebanese_Christian
2.19571683 17.00% Armenian_West + 83.00% Azerbaijani_Dagestan
2.21338689 40.40% Kumyk + 59.60% Kurd_Kurmanji
2.22364396 58.60% Ingush + 41.40% Iraqi_Baghdad
2.24724585 40.80% Balkar + 59.20% Yazidi
2.29881786 43.20% Karachay + 56.80% Kurd_Sorani
2.30211754 82.00% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 18.00% Iraqi_Baghdad

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Sexy wet results. Thanks Sterling. Youre the man!

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Originally Posted by Babak

Sexy wet results. Thanks Sterling. Youre the man!

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Just got my dad's result too. This thread is not very active so I haven't posted it yet.

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Originally Posted by Sterling Archer

Just got my dad's result too. This thread is not very active so I haven't posted it yet.

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Feel free to share! Alternatively in PM

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Originally Posted by Kyp

Feel free to share! Alternatively in PM

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My dad's result:
https://i.imgur.com/76KML9B.png

Distance to: Dad
4.09718196 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
7.29347654 Azerbaijani_Republic
7.55176800 Azerbaijani_Iran
7.98419063 Iranian_Zoroastrian
8.61917049 Azerbaijani_Turkey
8.70257433 Kurd_Kurmanji
8.82975085 Talysh_Azerbaijan
9.15260072 Iranian_Central
9.32728256 Zaza/Kurd_Turkey
9.48277386 Yazidi
9.62397007 Kurd_Sorani
9.96522453 Kumyk
10.57444088 Turk_Southeast
10.58677005 Iranian_Khorasan
10.59377647 Lezgin
10.71086831 Ingush
11.03791647 Kurd_Feyli
11.17599660 Iranian_Fars
11.22252645 Udi_Azerbaijan
11.31304999 Turkmen_Iraq
11.42518709 Iranian_Kerman
11.68477214 Chechen
11.88318981 Tabasaran
11.96582634 Iranian_Lur
12.29596682 Turk_South


Distance to: Dad
1.97429796 45.20% Lak + 54.80% Turkmen_Iraq
1.99708395 43.40% Avar + 56.60% Turkmen_Iraq
2.02040752 42.20% Dargin_Kaitag + 57.80% Turkmen_Iraq
2.02864570 40.40% Dargin + 59.60% Turkmen_Iraq
2.05850992 48.80% Tabasaran + 51.20% Turkmen_Iraq
2.15449355 51.80% Lezgin + 48.20% Turkmen_Iraq
2.25670658 42.40% Dargin_Kubachi + 57.60% Turkmen_Iraq
2.30176036 35.60% Dargin_Kaitag + 64.40% Kurd_Kurmanji
2.53835135 36.60% Avar + 63.40% Kurd_Kurmanji
2.54296214 39.40% Iraqi_Baghdad + 60.60% Lezgin
2.65636092 61.80% Kurd_Kurmanji + 38.20% Lak
2.69332057 13.20% Komi + 86.80% Talysh_Azerbaijan
2.75961129 10.80% Finnish_East + 89.20% Talysh_Azerbaijan
2.76784973 88.60% Talysh_Azerbaijan + 11.40% Veps
2.79447585 12.80% Russian_Ural + 87.20% Talysh_Azerbaijan
2.80216327 58.40% Kurd_Kurmanji + 41.60% Tabasaran
2.80445662 12.00% Russian_Northern_Dvina + 88.00% Talysh_Azerbaijan
2.83068223 33.60% Dargin + 66.40% Kurd_Kurmanji
2.85425089 46.00% Iraqi_Baghdad + 54.00% Lak
2.86962621 11.20% Karelian + 88.80% Talysh_Azerbaijan
2.90590946 55.40% Kurd_Kurmanji + 44.60% Lezgin
2.93621674 56.40% Avar + 43.60% Mandean
2.94063636 42.20% Iraqi_Baghdad + 57.80% Tabasaran
2.94715495 12.40% Russian_Kostroma + 87.60% Talysh_Azerbaijan
2.96138745 11.60% Saami_Sweden + 88.40% Talysh_Azerbaijan

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Just for fun, his Eurogenes K13:

Distance to: Dad
5.47032906 Kumyk
6.64353821 Circassian
8.72518195 Ingush
9.38295796 Kabardian
9.46261063 Balkar
9.60703909 Ossetian_North
10.27229283 Chechen
10.46268608 Ossetian
10.89481528 Lezgin
12.37706750 Georgian
13.20137493 Talysh
13.47118406 Tabasaran
13.58282739 Persian_Eastcentral
13.58845098 Azerbaijani_Iran
13.68569326 Zaza
13.85155948 Kurd
14.08129966 Azerbaijani_Turkey
14.55081441 Kurd_Kurmanji_Turkey
14.74103456 Azerbaijani_Azerbaijan
15.02117505 Lur
15.02836318 Abhkaz
15.13370741 Kurd_Sorani
15.34248024 Iranian
15.42690183 Yaghnobi_Tajikistan
15.79914555 Kurd_Iran

Distance to: Dad
2.31466592 59.80% Chechen + 40.20% Lur
2.60396767 68.60% Circassian + 31.40% Persian_Eastcentral
2.81552917 60.40% Chechen + 39.60% Iranian
3.03005083 60.20% Chechen + 39.80% Kurd_Sorani
3.07247889 42.80% Lak + 57.20% Zaza
3.13380837 80.20% Circassian + 19.80% Parsi_India
3.17468161 45.20% Lak + 54.80% Lur
3.19831368 72.00% Circassian + 28.00% Iranian
3.21889937 58.00% Chechen + 42.00% Kurd
3.23412727 57.60% Chechen + 42.40% Zaza
3.26640047 60.00% Kabardian + 40.00% Persian_Eastcentral
3.30885116 37.00% Iranian + 63.00% Kabardian
3.38160313 54.60% Kurd_Sorani + 45.40% Lak
3.43431490 62.00% Ingush + 38.00% Persian_Eastcentral
3.46207589 59.40% Chechen + 40.60% Kurd_Kurmanji_Turkey
3.49072012 55.60% Kurd_Kurmanji_Turkey + 44.40% Lak
3.52167680 61.40% Chechen + 38.60% Kurd_Iran

Target: Dad
Distance: 1.7668% / 1.76681356
50.5 Georgian
42.0 Yaghnobi_Tajikistan
7.5 Saudi

Target: Dad
Distance: 1.1964% / 1.19636648
53.5 Circassian
21.7 Lur
13.5 Lak
6.1 Kalash
5.2 Saudi

Is he from the Northern provinces like the Tat sample?

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Originally Posted by Sterling Archer

My dad's result:
https://i.imgur.com/76KML9B.png

Distance to: Dad
4.09718196 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
7.29347654 Azerbaijani_Republic
7.55176800 Azerbaijani_Iran
7.98419063 Iranian_Zoroastrian
8.61917049 Azerbaijani_Turkey
8.70257433 Kurd_Kurmanji
8.82975085 Talysh_Azerbaijan
9.15260072 Iranian_Central
9.32728256 Zaza/Kurd_Turkey
9.48277386 Yazidi
9.62397007 Kurd_Sorani
9.96522453 Kumyk
10.57444088 Turk_Southeast
10.58677005 Iranian_Khorasan
10.59377647 Lezgin
10.71086831 Ingush
11.03791647 Kurd_Feyli
11.17599660 Iranian_Fars
11.22252645 Udi_Azerbaijan
11.31304999 Turkmen_Iraq
11.42518709 Iranian_Kerman
11.68477214 Chechen
11.88318981 Tabasaran
11.96582634 Iranian_Lur
12.29596682 Turk_South


Distance to: Dad
1.97429796 45.20% Lak + 54.80% Turkmen_Iraq
1.99708395 43.40% Avar + 56.60% Turkmen_Iraq
2.02040752 42.20% Dargin_Kaitag + 57.80% Turkmen_Iraq
2.02864570 40.40% Dargin + 59.60% Turkmen_Iraq
2.05850992 48.80% Tabasaran + 51.20% Turkmen_Iraq
2.15449355 51.80% Lezgin + 48.20% Turkmen_Iraq
2.25670658 42.40% Dargin_Kubachi + 57.60% Turkmen_Iraq
2.30176036 35.60% Dargin_Kaitag + 64.40% Kurd_Kurmanji
2.53835135 36.60% Avar + 63.40% Kurd_Kurmanji
2.54296214 39.40% Iraqi_Baghdad + 60.60% Lezgin
2.65636092 61.80% Kurd_Kurmanji + 38.20% Lak
2.69332057 13.20% Komi + 86.80% Talysh_Azerbaijan
2.75961129 10.80% Finnish_East + 89.20% Talysh_Azerbaijan
2.76784973 88.60% Talysh_Azerbaijan + 11.40% Veps
2.79447585 12.80% Russian_Ural + 87.20% Talysh_Azerbaijan
2.80216327 58.40% Kurd_Kurmanji + 41.60% Tabasaran
2.80445662 12.00% Russian_Northern_Dvina + 88.00% Talysh_Azerbaijan
2.83068223 33.60% Dargin + 66.40% Kurd_Kurmanji
2.85425089 46.00% Iraqi_Baghdad + 54.00% Lak
2.86962621 11.20% Karelian + 88.80% Talysh_Azerbaijan
2.90590946 55.40% Kurd_Kurmanji + 44.60% Lezgin
2.93621674 56.40% Avar + 43.60% Mandean
2.94063636 42.20% Iraqi_Baghdad + 57.80% Tabasaran
2.94715495 12.40% Russian_Kostroma + 87.60% Talysh_Azerbaijan
2.96138745 11.60% Saami_Sweden + 88.40% Talysh_Azerbaijan

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from where was he again exactly?

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Originally Posted by Arzanene

Is he from the Northern provinces like the Tat sample?

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Yes, but a bit further north.

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Originally Posted by Arzanene

Is he from the Northern provinces like the Tat sample?

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This is his regional breakdown from FTDNA in case you (or anyone else) is interested:
https://i.imgur.com/4eoVokr.jpg

Posting because it's rare and because unregistered people reading the thread may find it interesting
Tajik

Gedrosia 24.5 Pct
Siberian 7.48 Pct
Northwest_African 1.06 Pct
Southeast_Asian 2.05 Pct
Atlantic_Med 6.57 Pct
North_European 14.6 Pct
South_Asian 7.2 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 2.42 Pct
East_Asian 13.88 Pct
Caucasus 19.27 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.97 Pct

Distance to: Tolib
3.05306707 89.20% Tajik_Mountain + 10.80% Tibetan
3.10311905 10.80% Nepali_Kirant_Rai + 89.20% Tajik_Mountain
3.16560208 11.80% Nepali_Gurung + 88.20% Tajik_Mountain
3.21894278 89.60% Tajik_Mountain + 10.40% Tu
3.25703362 9.60% Naga + 90.40% Tajik_Mountain
3.30182797 9.20% Korean + 90.80% Tajik_Mountain
3.35939989 8.60% Japanese + 91.40% Tajik_Mountain
3.44080411 72.80% Tajik_Mountain + 27.20% Uyghur_Xinjiang
3.54097070 9.60% Han_North + 90.40% Tajik_Mountain
3.57416599 9.60% Manchu_Liaoning + 90.40% Tajik_Mountain

Target: Tolib
Distance: 1.7121% / 1.71210707 | ADC: 0.25x RC
62.3 Tajik_Mountain
10.2 Hazara
9.1 Turkmen_Iran
8.9 Tajik_Kabul
5.0 Japanese
2.7 Sardinian
0.8 Mandenka
0.5 Algerian
0.5 Uyghur_Xinjiang

Target: Tolib
Distance: 1.7408% / 1.74084168 | R4P
40.6 Hazara
26.7 Tajik_Kabul
24.1 Dargin_Kubachi
8.6 Spanish_Canarias


The Vahaduo site as we've known it has ceased to exist.

These are 4 results of Kurds from my linguistically and religiously diverse but (seemingly) autosomally homogeneous home town of Sarpole Zahab, Kermanshah province, Iran. Or Sarpeli Zahaw as it's locally known. It's where the ancient town of Hulwan used to be.
Historically we have strong ties to Kalar & Diyala/Sirwan river on the other side of the Iran-Iraq border, besides the other towns in the Kermanshah province of course.
https://imgur.com/EYy9eDi.jpg

Language: Central & Southern Kurdish, formerly Gorani
Tribal background: Jaf, Goran, Kalhor
Religious background: Sunni, Shia, Yarsanism


https://imgur.com/OlsAZEX.jpg https://imgur.com/9oY8wcB.jpg https://imgur.com/MlRrABc.jpg https://imgur.com/fBSXif6.jpg

Very similar results despite the linguistic and religious diversity, but this is not entirely surprising.
The mass conversion to Shi'ism in Kermanshah occurred very late compared to other provinces. Qajar, as opposed to the Savafid period. Also, intermarriages between the different religious groups are common compared to elsewhere in Middle East

It's pretty ordinary West Iranian results, but one thing that stands out for me is the relatively high Atlantic_Med score.
It's higher than among most Kurds who live much further west and even higher than among some Assyrians.
I associate high Atlantic_Med score among Middle Easterners with Levantine admixture, but I don't notice any Levant-shift in this case. The oracles on the GEDMatch calculators prefer Iranian/Kurdish + a tiny bit of Sardinian, Greek or some other Mediterranean group.
That seemed ridiculous at first considering the geographical distance but not as implausible after I took a look at the Wiki page of Hulwan:

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Hulwan (Persian: حلوان) was an ancient town on the Zagros Mountains in western Iran, located on the entrance of the Paytak Pass, nowadays identified with the town of Sarpol-e Zahab.
History

Later Arab tradition, as recorded by al-Tabari, considered the town a Sasanian foundation dating to Kavadh I (reigned 488–496, 498–531), but it is far more ancient: it was known since Assyrian times as Khalmanu, when it lay on the border between Babylonia and Media.[1] To the Seleucids, it was known as Chala (Greek: Χάλα) and was the capital of the district of Chalonitis (Χαλωνῖτις).[1][2][3] According to Diodorus Siculus, the name derives from the settlement of Greek captives from Boeotia by Xerxes, who founded the town of Celonae or Kelonai (Κέλωναι).[3]

Under the Sasanian Empire, the district of Hulwan was called [Khusraw] Shad Peroz ("the joy of Khusraw the victorious"), and the city itself probably Peroz Kavad ("victorious Kavad"). After the Muslim conquest of Persia, the words were Arabicized and became known as: [Khusraw] Shadh Firuz and Firuz Qubadh. Although like the rest of Media it belonged to the quarter (kust) of the North, under Khosrau II (r. 590–628) it was included in the quarter of the West, along with Mesopotamia, as the Sasanian rulers began to use the Zagros Mountains as a summer retreat away from the capital of Ctesiphon on the Mesopotamian plain.[4]

After the Battle of Qadisiyya in 636, the last Sasanian ruler, Yazdegerd III (r. 632–651), took refuge in Hulwan for a while during his flight from Ctesiphon.[1][5] After another heavy defeat at the Battle of Jalula in 637, Yazdegerd left Hulwan for the eastern provinces of his realm,[6][7] and the town fell into the hands of the pursuing Arabs under Jarir ibn Abdallah Bajali in 640.[8] In the early 640s, the town was of strategic importance as a frontier post between the Mesopotamian lowlands and the still Sasanian-controlled Iranian plateau, and was garrisoned by troops, including Persian defectors (the Khamra), who were settled there under the Rashidun caliphs.[4]

In the early Islamic period, until the 10th century, the town is described "as a flourishing town in a fertile district producing much fruit" (L. Lockhart).[1] It was situated on the Khurasan Road, and was the first town of the Jibal province to be met travelling eastwards from Baghdad.[9] Nevertheless, as in Sasanian times, it was fiscally tied to the Mesopotamian lowlands (the Sawad).[10] Under Mu'awiya I (r. 661–680) it became the capital of western Jibal (Mah al-Kufa).[10]

According to the 10th-century traveller Ibn Hawqal, the town was half the size of Dinavar, and its houses were built of both stone and bricks. Though the climate was hot, dates, pomegranates and figs grew abundantly. According to the 10th-century hudud al-'alam the town's figs were dried and widely exported, while al-Muqaddasi adds that the town was surrounded by a wall with eight gates, and included, alongside a mosque, a Jewish synagogue.[11]

The town was also a metropolitan province of the Church of the East between the 8th and 12th centuries.

Around the turn of the 11th century, the town was governed by the semi-independent Annazid dynasty, until they were expelled by the Kakuyids.[1][12] It was taken and burned by the Seljuq Turks in 1046, while an earthquake in 1049 completed the town's destruction. Although rebuilt, it never recovered its former prosperity, and is now the town of Sarpol-e Zahab.[1]

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Originally Posted by Leto

The Vahaduo site as we've known it has ceased to exist.

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Yes, it has been massively downgraded - I'm not sure why it was presented as some kind of upgrade.
I can live without Davidski's standard calculator, which was of no use for West Asians anyway, but the updated spreadsheets for K12b and K13, and the G25 samples were very useful.

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Originally Posted by Zagrosian

Yes, it has been massively downgraded - I'm not sure why it was presented as some kind of upgrade.
I can live without Davidski's standard calculator, which was of no use for West Asians anyway, but the updated spreadsheets for K12b and K13, and the G25 samples were very useful.

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Not downgraded. Github vahaduo is owned by a different person and he accused the vahaduo.genetics.ovh(the one with all the gedmatch calculators) site owner of stealing his calculator. then he took legal action and removed the site from google search results a few months ago but you could still access it with the URL. and now he has claimed the domain and erased the ovh site. he even went as far as deleting the ovh site from the archives in wayback machine by writing a complaint to wayback machine to take them down.

From his reddit posts I think he did this because the ovh site was more popular and was getting more traffic and profit. and he was jealous and felt entitled to getting more money than him. he first removed the google search to fool people into searching vahaduo and going to the github site instead. but when that didn't work and people still went to the ovh site he decided to do this.

honestly I am angered by this, the Github owner has destroyed vahaduo.genetics.ovh out of jealousy and an inferiority complex. he put out an arrogant message calling us "lazy" for relying on preset populations such as mdlp k16. dodecad k12...ect. I suggest people here not to use the github site don't give traffic to the website.

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Originally Posted by Zagrosian

These are 4 results of Kurds from my linguistically and religiously diverse but (seemingly) autosomally homogeneous home town of Sarpole Zahab, Kermanshah province, Iran. Or Sarpeli Zahaw as it's locally known. It's where the ancient town of Hulwan used to be.
Historically we have strong ties to Kalar & Diyala/Sirwan river on the other side of the Iran-Iraq border, besides the other towns in the Kermanshah province of course.
https://imgur.com/EYy9eDi.jpg

Language: Central & Southern Kurdish, formerly Gorani
Tribal background: Jaf, Goran, Kalhor
Religious background: Sunni, Shia, Yarsanism


https://imgur.com/OlsAZEX.jpg https://imgur.com/9oY8wcB.jpg https://imgur.com/MlRrABc.jpg https://imgur.com/fBSXif6.jpg

Very similar results despite the linguistic and religious diversity, but this is not entirely surprising.
The mass conversion to Shi'ism in Kermanshah occurred very late compared to other provinces. Qajar, as opposed to the Savafid period. Also, intermarriages between the different religious groups are common compared to elsewhere in Middle East

It's pretty ordinary West Iranian results, but one thing that stands out for me is the relatively high Atlantic_Med score.
It's higher than among most Kurds who live much further west and even higher than among some Assyrians.
I associate high Atlantic_Med score among Middle Easterners with Levantine admixture, but I don't notice any Levant-shift in this case. The oracles on the GEDMatch calculators prefer Iranian/Kurdish + a tiny bit of Sardinian, Greek or some other Mediterranean group.
That seemed ridiculous at first considering the geographical distance but not as implausible after I took a look at the Wiki page of Hulwan:

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Very nice. Can you say which of the results is which group?

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Originally Posted by Kyp

Very nice. Can you say which of the results is which group?

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The groups are intertwined due to conversions, several language replacements and tribal merging from the Safavid into the Qajar era so it's a bit hard to draw a line, but..

This one is Kalhor. Shia. Speaks Southern Kurdish.
https://imgur.com/9oY8wcB.jpg

This one is mine, which I have also previously posted. I'm from a merging of Jaf and Goran. Sunni background, but also a few conversions from Yarsanism and Shiism. I speak a local version of Central Kurdish(Sorani), which is a lot like Sanandaji/Ardalani but has heavier Kalhori and Gorani influence. Then again, Sanandaji dialect(Sorani) in itself is a Kurmanji-Gorani hybrid.
https://imgur.com/MlRrABc.jpg

This one is from a very similar background as me. Jaf. Sunni. Central Kurdish dialect.
https://imgur.com/OlsAZEX.jpg
Here's her cousin's results which I didn't share in the previous post. His combined Atlantic-Med and North-Euro scores are remarkably lower than hers and ours. It might be the calculator effect since his Caucasus score is higher. Or he has grandparents with Lor ancestry, which is not uncommon in the region.
https://i.imgur.com/EAFSf3G.jpg

Goran. Yarsan. Southern Kurdish dialect, grandparents spoke Gorani, which is considered a different language than Kurmanji. What's weird is that Kurmanji and Persian/Luri languages are in many ways closer to eachother than to the Gorani and Sorani languages/dialects that are geographically in-between.
https://imgur.com/fBSXif6.jpg

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Originally Posted by Arzanene

Not downgraded. Github vahaduo is owned by a different person and he accused the vahaduo.genetics.ovh(the one with all the gedmatch calculators) site owner of stealing his calculator. then he took legal action and removed the site from google search results a few months ago but you could still access it with the URL. and now he has claimed the domain and erased the ovh site. he even went as far as deleting the ovh site from the archives in wayback machine by writing a complaint to wayback machine to take them down.

From his reddit posts I think he did this because the ovh site was more popular and was getting more traffic and profit. and he was jealous and felt entitled to getting more money than him. he first removed the google search to fool people into searching vahaduo and going to the github site instead. but when that didn't work and people still went to the ovh site he decided to do this.

honestly I am angered by this, the Github owner has destroyed vahaduo.genetics.ovh out of jealousy and an inferiority complex. he put out an arrogant message calling us "lazy" for relying on preset populations such as mdlp k16. dodecad k12...ect. I suggest people here not to use the github site don't give traffic to the website.

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Ah, I see. Thanks, now it all makes sense.
I was wondering what could possibly be the dangers of having access to these lists and calculators. Why is he pretending that this is good news? I guess the danger was him losing out on traffic to the other site.

He does deserve immense credit for coding the Vahaduo calculator - I also really like the CustomPCA. But we need a page with lists of modern and ancient individual and avg coordinates and scores in different calculators, for reference and comparisons. It's not only very convenient, it improves the calculators.
Why can't he add a section to his site that offers the same things as what genetics.ovh used to offer?

Luckily I have saved a bunch of ancient and modern K12B and G25 coordinates, but not as many as I would like to have.
Does anyone of you still have the updated K12b or individual modern/ancient G25 scaled coordinates?

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Originally Posted by Zagrosian

The groups are intertwined due to conversions, several language replacements and tribal merging from the Safavid into the Qajar era so it's a bit hard to draw a line, but..

This one is Kalhor. Shia. Speaks Southern Kurdish.
https://imgur.com/9oY8wcB.jpg

This one is mine, which I have also previously posted. I'm from a merging of Jaf and Goran. Sunni background, but also a few conversions from Yarsanism and Shiism. I speak a local version of Central Kurdish(Sorani), which is a lot like Sanandaji/Ardalani but has heavier Kalhori and Gorani influence. Then again, Sanandaji dialect(Sorani) in itself is a Kurmanji-Gorani hybrid.
https://imgur.com/MlRrABc.jpg

This one is from a very similar background as me. Jaf. Sunni. Central Kurdish dialect.
https://imgur.com/OlsAZEX.jpg
Here's her cousin's results which I didn't share in the previous post. His combined Atlantic-Med and North-Euro scores are remarkably lower than hers and ours. It might be the calculator effect since his Caucasus score is higher. Or he has grandparents with Lor ancestry, which is not uncommon in the region.
https://i.imgur.com/EAFSf3G.jpg

Goran. Yarsan. Southern Kurdish dialect, grandparents spoke Gorani, which is considered a different language than Kurmanji. What's weird is that Kurmanji and Persian/Luri languages are in many ways closer to eachother than to the Gorani and Sorani languages/dialects that are geographically in-between.
https://imgur.com/fBSXif6.jpg

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Great! Let me know if you have any other Iranian results

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Originally Posted by Kyp

Great! Let me know if you have any other Iranian results

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I've been looking for other Iranian results myself.

Does anyone have any results from Ahvaz/Abadan Persians? I've seen many results from Khuzestani Lors and Arabs but not urban Persians.

Or how about Persian/Tat from NW Iran?

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Zagrosian

This one is mine, which I have also previously posted. I'm from a merging of Jaf and Goran. Sunni background, but also a few conversions from Yarsanism and Shiism. I speak a local version of Central Kurdish(Sorani), which is a lot like Sanandaji/Ardalani but has heavier Kalhori and Gorani influence. Then again, Sanandaji dialect(Sorani) in itself is a Kurmanji-Gorani hybrid.
https://imgur.com/MlRrABc.jpg

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If you have G25 coordinates, please run this model for me

Code:

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KAZ_Aktogai_MLBA,0.1238396,0.1092712,0.057247,0.0803624,0.006832,0.0277774,0.0055462,0.0020308,-0.0176302,-0.028356,-0.0004872,-0.0001198,0.0004164,-0.0231206,0.0219864,0.0119594,-0.007171,-0.001723,-0.0012318,0.0021012,-0.0054654,0.00413,-0.0005918,0.0059282,-0.0022992
MNG_Ulaanzuukh_Slab_Grave,0.0247883,-0.4316,0.0744604,-0.0324077,-0.0641144,-0.0424223,0.0110716,0.0203838,0.0101353,0.0177378,-0.0425639,-0.0023647,-0.000165,0.0003823,4.51e-05,-0.0017383,0.0008403,-0.0046594,-0.0001953,0.0198567,-0.0247064,-0.0017723,-0.0200073,-0.0059041,0.0012639
RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA,0.037562,-0.424491,0.154997,0.001938,-0.14495,-0.085341,0.019506,0.031845,0.028633,0.005832,0.086878,-0.00015,0.011298,-0.04803,-0.045466,-0.027711,0.000261,0.006714,0.004148,-0.009379,0.026204,0.001607,0.002218,0.004338,0.008502
IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2,0.043708,-0.0327002,-0.170006,0.0950268,-0.1047582,0.0568936,0.0063452,0.0041998,0.0056858,0.0067428,-0.0051964,0.0079128,-0.0018436,-0.0031928,0.0098534,0.0097852,-0.0023732,0.0025084,0.0016342,-0.0142568,0.0029694,-0.0125136,-0.0011832,-0.0119052,0.001317
IRN_Tepe_Hissar_C,0.0780205,0.0973985,-0.1210557,-0.0128319,-0.0964655,0.0129052,0.0135666,-0.0041957,-0.0710069,-0.0366129,-0.0049454,-0.0008311,-0.0011082,-0.0034781,0.0189268,0.0286995,-0.0069221,0.0043305,0.0072791,-0.0235001,0.0067043,-0.0146134,-0.0055349,-0.0227852,0.01339
TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA,0.1050018,0.1515678,-0.042332,-0.082365,-0.0040775,-0.0274705,-0.0024088,-0.0077882,-0.011402,0.028429,0.0097435,0.007006,-0.0120788,0.0030965,-0.0138435,-0.004475,0.0116693,-0.0021538,0.0087988,-0.00741,-0.0031817,0.0061828,-0.0048065,0.0030725,-0.001407
Levant_Megiddo_MLBA,0.0861261,0.1455592,-0.0646134,-0.1002072,-0.014596,-0.0394563,-0.0045434,-0.0097249,0.0131382,0.0089382,0.0103465,-0.0088707,0.0219027,0.0020119,-0.007316,0.005411,-0.0024898,0.004217,0.0036812,0.0073607,0.0047534,0.0040982,-0.0049357,-0.0025361,-0.0014427
KEN_Nyarindi_3500BP,-0.528139,0.049761,-0.012445,0.010013,-0.016926,0.008367,0.098469,-0.08192,0.06422,-0.052848,-0.013316,0.018733,-0.029583,-0.011973,0.017372,-0.007425,0.027902,0.03978,-0.008925,-0.004127,-0.005865,0.017806,-0.007518,0.003494,0.00467
CHN_Yellow_River_LN,0.0166466,-0.4503874,0.0109365,-0.0657709,0.0545101,0.0217886,0.0037894,0.0012404,-0.0097149,0.0040092,-0.0851524,-0.0100032,0.0123945,-0.0059179,-0.0088896,-0.000895,0.001483,-0.0003801,-0.0048392,-0.0075191,0.0172975,0.007543,0.0128639,-0.0006476,0.0073496

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Quote:

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Originally Posted by Leto

If you have G25 coordinates, please run this model for me

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I don't, unfortunately.
Are IllustrativeDNA the only ones who offer G25 coordinates?

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Zagrosian

I don't, unfortunately.
Are IllustrativeDNA the only ones who offer G25 coordinates?

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No problem. I don't know anything about Illustrative, have never used that service.

Two tajiks from Uzbekistan(first one is from Samarkand, second one has the haplogroups M5a2a, and R1a1a):



1 Caucasus 30.22
2 Gedrosia 22.92
3 North_European 12.26
4 Southwest_Asian 10.09
5 East_Asian 7.97
6 South_Asian 7.27
7 Siberian 3.9
8 Atlantic_Med 3.84
9 Sub_Saharan 1.51
10 East_African 0.03




1 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 7.44
2 Iranian (Dodecad) 15.11
3 Iranians (Behar) 15.62
4 Kurd (Dodecad) 16.13
5 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 17.37
6 Tajiks (Yunusbayev) 17.51
7 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 18.8
8 Turks (Behar) 19.02
9 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 20.02
10 Turkish (Dodecad) 20.73
11 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 20.78
12 Lezgins (Behar) 23.03
13 Lebanese (Behar) 25.58
14 Chechens (Yunusbayev) 25.74
15 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 26.21
16 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 26.55
17 Iranian_Jews (Behar) 26.6
18 Syrians (Behar) 26.61
19 Uzbeks (Behar) 26.87
20 Assyrian (Dodecad) 27.18






1 87.6% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 12.4% Yemenese (Behar) @ 5.53
2 91.1% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 8.9% Yemen_Jews (Behar) @ 5.68
3 84.6% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 15.4% Syrians (Behar) @ 5.74
4 86.7% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 13.3% Palestinian (HGDP) @ 5.74
5 88.4% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 11.6% Samaritians (Behar) @ 5.75
6 64.3% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 35.7% Druze (HGDP) @ 5.75
7 89.3% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 10.7% Bedouin (HGDP) @ 5.77
8 85.9% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 14.1% Jordanians (Behar) @ 5.85
9 68.6% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 31.4% Samaritians (Behar) @ 5.86
10 88.5% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 11.5% Egyptans (Behar) @ 5.88
11 84.5% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 15.5% Lebanese (Behar) @ 5.88
12 87.3% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 12.7% Druze (HGDP) @ 6.06
13 93.3% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 6.7% Saudis (Behar) @ 6.09
14 88.2% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 11.8% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) @ 6.18
15 87.8% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 12.2% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) @ 6.19
16 65.5% Iranian (Dodecad) + 34.5% Uzbeks (Behar) @ 6.24
17 88.6% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 11.4% Cypriots (Behar) @ 6.25
18 83.6% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 16.4% Turkish (Dodecad) @ 6.35
19 82.4% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 17.6% Turks (Behar) @ 6.38
20 89.3% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 10.7% Greek (Dodecad) @ 6.39














1 Gedrosia 22.07
2 Caucasus 16.91
3 North_European 15.85
4 East_Asian 14.94
5 Siberian 10.02
6 South_Asian 8.92
7 Southwest_Asian 4.85
8 Southeast_Asian 3.32
9 Atlantic_Med 3.13






1 Uzbeks (Behar) 13.19
2 Tajiks (Yunusbayev) 14.41
3 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 15.94
4 Hazara (HGDP) 19.55
5 Uygur (HGDP) 19.7
6 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 22.94
7 Burusho (HGDP) 28.52
8 Iranians (Behar) 30.43
9 Iranian (Dodecad) 30.55
10 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 30.71
11 Pathan (HGDP) 30.86
12 Kurd (Dodecad) 31.53
13 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 33.07
14 Turks (Behar) 33.13
15 Lezgins (Behar) 33.91
16 Turkish (Dodecad) 34.19
17 Bnei_Menashe_Jews (Behar) 35.5
18 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 36.55
19 Jatt (Dodecad) 36.75
20 Chechens (Yunusbayev) 36.92






1 52.7% Uzbeks (Behar) + 47.3% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 5.81
2 72.3% Uzbeks (Behar) + 27.7% Pathan (HGDP) @ 6.35
3 59.1% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 40.9% Uygur (HGDP) @ 6.52
4 56% Uzbeks (Behar) + 44% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 6.71
5 59.4% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 40.6% Hazara (HGDP) @ 7.34
6 56.4% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 43.6% Uygur (HGDP) @ 7.36
7 76.1% Uzbeks (Behar) + 23.9% Bnei_Menashe_Jews (Behar) @ 7.46
8 76.8% Uzbeks (Behar) + 23.2% Jatt (Dodecad) @ 7.47
9 83.8% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 16.2% Hezhen (HGDP) @ 7.49
10 83.9% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 16.1% Daur (HGDP) @ 7.52
11 73.2% Uzbeks (Behar) + 26.8% Iranians (Behar) @ 7.58
12 83.4% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 16.6% Oroqen (HGDP) @ 7.71
13 83.2% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 16.8% Mongola (HGDP) @ 7.75
14 84% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 16% Xibo (HGDP) @ 7.78
15 79.5% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 20.5% Mongol (Rasmussen) @ 7.84
16 79.3% Uzbeks (Behar) + 20.7% Sindhi (HGDP) @ 7.92
17 56.4% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 43.6% Hazara (HGDP) @ 7.98
18 73.8% Uzbeks (Behar) + 26.2% Iranian (Dodecad) @ 8.08
19 72.4% Uzbeks (Behar) + 27.6% Burusho (HGDP) @ 8.08
20 83.9% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 16.1% Tu (HGDP) @ 8.34

Makhachkala, Dagestan, Russia:





Gedrosia 28.59 Pct
Siberian 0.49 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.4 Pct
Atlantic_Med 4.62 Pct
North_European 26.2 Pct
South_Asian 2.35 Pct
East_African 0.58 Pct
Southwest_Asian -
East_Asian 0.19 Pct
Caucasus 36.04 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.53 Pct






1 Lezgins (Behar) 10.08
2 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 15.26
3 Chechens (Yunusbayev) 16.12
4 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 20.26
5 Tajiks (Yunusbayev) 21.45
6 Adygei (HGDP) 22.05
7 Iranian (Dodecad) 22.38
8 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 22.44
9 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 23.19
10 North_Ossetians (Yunusbayev) 23.41
11 Kurd (Dodecad) 23.44
12 Balkars (Yunusbayev) 23.44
13 Iranians (Behar) 24.45
14 Turks (Behar) 25.14
15 Turkish (Dodecad) 26.21
16 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 29.02
17 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 31.35
18 Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) 31.97
19 Romanians (Behar) 32.48
20 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 32.82







1 85.4% Lezgins (Behar) + 14.6% Argyll (1000Genomes) @ 4.95
2 85.8% Lezgins (Behar) + 14.2% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 5.05
3 85.8% Lezgins (Behar) + 14.2% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 5.06
4 85.8% Lezgins (Behar) + 14.2% Irish (Dodecad) @ 5.08
5 85.9% Lezgins (Behar) + 14.1% British (Dodecad) @ 5.22
6 85.8% Lezgins (Behar) + 14.2% Cornwall (1000Genomes) @ 5.26
7 85.6% Lezgins (Behar) + 14.4% English (Dodecad) @ 5.33
8 85.5% Lezgins (Behar) + 14.5% CEU30 (1000Genomes) @ 5.33
9 85.5% Lezgins (Behar) + 14.5% Kent (1000Genomes) @ 5.37
10 86% Lezgins (Behar) + 14% British_Isles (Dodecad) @ 5.39
11 84.7% Lezgins (Behar) + 15.3% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) @ 5.44
12 85.2% Lezgins (Behar) + 14.8% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 5.44
13 86.4% Lezgins (Behar) + 13.6% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 5.46
14 86.3% Lezgins (Behar) + 13.7% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 5.63
15 84.6% Lezgins (Behar) + 15.4% German (Dodecad) @ 5.98
16 85.9% Lezgins (Behar) + 14.1% French (HGDP) @ 6.08
17 72.2% Lezgins (Behar) + 27.8% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 6.26
18 90% Lezgins (Behar) + 10% Pais_Vasco (1000Genomes) @ 6.62
19 84.9% Lezgins (Behar) + 15.1% Jatt (Dodecad) @ 6.71
20 87.8% Lezgins (Behar) + 12.2% Cataluna (1000Genomes) @ 6.75

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Melonman

Two tajiks from Uzbekistan(first one is from Samarkand, second one has the haplogroups M5a2a, and R1a1a):



1 Caucasus 30.22
2 Gedrosia 22.92
3 North_European 12.26
4 Southwest_Asian 10.09
5 East_Asian 7.97
6 South_Asian 7.27
7 Siberian 3.9
8 Atlantic_Med 3.84
9 Sub_Saharan 1.51
10 East_African 0.03




1 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 7.44
2 Iranian (Dodecad) 15.11
3 Iranians (Behar) 15.62
4 Kurd (Dodecad) 16.13
5 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 17.37
6 Tajiks (Yunusbayev) 17.51
7 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 18.8
8 Turks (Behar) 19.02
9 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 20.02
10 Turkish (Dodecad) 20.73
11 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 20.78
12 Lezgins (Behar) 23.03
13 Lebanese (Behar) 25.58
14 Chechens (Yunusbayev) 25.74
15 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 26.21
16 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 26.55
17 Iranian_Jews (Behar) 26.6
18 Syrians (Behar) 26.61
19 Uzbeks (Behar) 26.87
20 Assyrian (Dodecad) 27.18






1 87.6% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 12.4% Yemenese (Behar) @ 5.53
2 91.1% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 8.9% Yemen_Jews (Behar) @ 5.68
3 84.6% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 15.4% Syrians (Behar) @ 5.74
4 86.7% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 13.3% Palestinian (HGDP) @ 5.74
5 88.4% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 11.6% Samaritians (Behar) @ 5.75
6 64.3% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 35.7% Druze (HGDP) @ 5.75
7 89.3% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 10.7% Bedouin (HGDP) @ 5.77
8 85.9% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 14.1% Jordanians (Behar) @ 5.85
9 68.6% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 31.4% Samaritians (Behar) @ 5.86
10 88.5% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 11.5% Egyptans (Behar) @ 5.88
11 84.5% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 15.5% Lebanese (Behar) @ 5.88
12 87.3% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 12.7% Druze (HGDP) @ 6.06
13 93.3% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 6.7% Saudis (Behar) @ 6.09
14 88.2% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 11.8% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) @ 6.18
15 87.8% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 12.2% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) @ 6.19
16 65.5% Iranian (Dodecad) + 34.5% Uzbeks (Behar) @ 6.24
17 88.6% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 11.4% Cypriots (Behar) @ 6.25
18 83.6% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 16.4% Turkish (Dodecad) @ 6.35
19 82.4% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 17.6% Turks (Behar) @ 6.38
20 89.3% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 10.7% Greek (Dodecad) @ 6.39














1 Gedrosia 22.07
2 Caucasus 16.91
3 North_European 15.85
4 East_Asian 14.94
5 Siberian 10.02
6 South_Asian 8.92
7 Southwest_Asian 4.85
8 Southeast_Asian 3.32
9 Atlantic_Med 3.13






1 Uzbeks (Behar) 13.19
2 Tajiks (Yunusbayev) 14.41
3 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 15.94
4 Hazara (HGDP) 19.55
5 Uygur (HGDP) 19.7
6 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 22.94
7 Burusho (HGDP) 28.52
8 Iranians (Behar) 30.43
9 Iranian (Dodecad) 30.55
10 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 30.71
11 Pathan (HGDP) 30.86
12 Kurd (Dodecad) 31.53
13 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 33.07
14 Turks (Behar) 33.13
15 Lezgins (Behar) 33.91
16 Turkish (Dodecad) 34.19
17 Bnei_Menashe_Jews (Behar) 35.5
18 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 36.55
19 Jatt (Dodecad) 36.75
20 Chechens (Yunusbayev) 36.92






1 52.7% Uzbeks (Behar) + 47.3% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 5.81
2 72.3% Uzbeks (Behar) + 27.7% Pathan (HGDP) @ 6.35
3 59.1% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 40.9% Uygur (HGDP) @ 6.52
4 56% Uzbeks (Behar) + 44% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 6.71
5 59.4% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 40.6% Hazara (HGDP) @ 7.34
6 56.4% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 43.6% Uygur (HGDP) @ 7.36
7 76.1% Uzbeks (Behar) + 23.9% Bnei_Menashe_Jews (Behar) @ 7.46
8 76.8% Uzbeks (Behar) + 23.2% Jatt (Dodecad) @ 7.47
9 83.8% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 16.2% Hezhen (HGDP) @ 7.49
10 83.9% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 16.1% Daur (HGDP) @ 7.52
11 73.2% Uzbeks (Behar) + 26.8% Iranians (Behar) @ 7.58
12 83.4% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 16.6% Oroqen (HGDP) @ 7.71
13 83.2% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 16.8% Mongola (HGDP) @ 7.75
14 84% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 16% Xibo (HGDP) @ 7.78
15 79.5% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 20.5% Mongol (Rasmussen) @ 7.84
16 79.3% Uzbeks (Behar) + 20.7% Sindhi (HGDP) @ 7.92
17 56.4% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 43.6% Hazara (HGDP) @ 7.98
18 73.8% Uzbeks (Behar) + 26.2% Iranian (Dodecad) @ 8.08
19 72.4% Uzbeks (Behar) + 27.6% Burusho (HGDP) @ 8.08
20 83.9% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 16.1% Tu (HGDP) @ 8.34

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Updated for both:

Distance to: Tajik_Samarkand
8.67133784 Iranian_Khorasan
8.99396464 Turkmen_Iran
12.13785401 Iranian_Kerman
12.43377658 Azerbaijani_Iran
12.54619863 Iranian_Fars
12.70973249 Iranian_Central
12.92445357 Iranian_Zoroastrian
12.98904154 Tajik_Herat
13.44383874 Azerbaijani_Republic
13.51929362 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
14.09918792 Azerbaijani_Turkey
14.23487970 Kurd_Kermanshah
14.23664286 Tajik_Mountain
14.54925428 Turk_Southeast
14.74394113 Turk_South
15.21986202 Kurd_Sorani
15.29328284 Turkmen_Iraq
15.43089110 Yazidi_Kurd
15.44485027 Tajik_Lowland
15.62130596 Kurd_Kurmanji
15.69065646 Dersim
15.70480818 Turkmen_Turkmenistan
15.91329319 Talysh_Azerbaijan
15.93973965 Turk_Southwest
15.96241836 Parsi_India


Distance to: Tajik_uzbekistan
7.23306989 Turkmen_Turkmenistan
7.87551903 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
8.63199282 Turkmen_Iran
9.41304945 Uzbek
10.57490898 Tajik_Mountain
11.95216298 Uzbeki
13.09349075 Tajik_Lowland
13.10642590 Turkmen_Afghanistan
16.20382979 Tajik_Herat
17.61767011 Pamiri_Wakhan
18.83943470 Yaghnobi_Tajikistan
19.35798802 Uyghur_Xinjiang
19.51400523 Tajik_Kabul
19.56042944 Pamiri_Shughnan
19.74562230 Pamiri_Ishkashim
20.15358033 Pamiri_Rushan
20.15785207 Nogai
20.47225195 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe
20.92501852 Iranian_Khorasan
21.99128918 Hazara
22.15259804 Pashtun_Kandahar
23.15750418 Turk_Northwest
23.57799186 Nogai_Stavropol
23.64879278 Turk_Southwest
24.57163812 Iranian_Kerman

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Melonman

Two tajiks from Uzbekistan(first one is from Samarkand, second one has the haplogroups M5a2a, and R1a1a):



1 Caucasus 30.22
2 Gedrosia 22.92
3 North_European 12.26
4 Southwest_Asian 10.09
5 East_Asian 7.97
6 South_Asian 7.27
7 Siberian 3.9
8 Atlantic_Med 3.84
9 Sub_Saharan 1.51
10 East_African 0.03




1 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 7.44
2 Iranian (Dodecad) 15.11
3 Iranians (Behar) 15.62
4 Kurd (Dodecad) 16.13
5 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 17.37
6 Tajiks (Yunusbayev) 17.51
7 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 18.8
8 Turks (Behar) 19.02
9 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 20.02
10 Turkish (Dodecad) 20.73
11 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 20.78
12 Lezgins (Behar) 23.03
13 Lebanese (Behar) 25.58
14 Chechens (Yunusbayev) 25.74
15 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 26.21
16 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 26.55
17 Iranian_Jews (Behar) 26.6
18 Syrians (Behar) 26.61
19 Uzbeks (Behar) 26.87
20 Assyrian (Dodecad) 27.18






1 87.6% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 12.4% Yemenese (Behar) @ 5.53
2 91.1% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 8.9% Yemen_Jews (Behar) @ 5.68
3 84.6% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 15.4% Syrians (Behar) @ 5.74
4 86.7% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 13.3% Palestinian (HGDP) @ 5.74
5 88.4% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 11.6% Samaritians (Behar) @ 5.75
6 64.3% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 35.7% Druze (HGDP) @ 5.75
7 89.3% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 10.7% Bedouin (HGDP) @ 5.77
8 85.9% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 14.1% Jordanians (Behar) @ 5.85
9 68.6% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 31.4% Samaritians (Behar) @ 5.86
10 88.5% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 11.5% Egyptans (Behar) @ 5.88
11 84.5% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 15.5% Lebanese (Behar) @ 5.88
12 87.3% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 12.7% Druze (HGDP) @ 6.06
13 93.3% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 6.7% Saudis (Behar) @ 6.09
14 88.2% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 11.8% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) @ 6.18
15 87.8% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 12.2% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) @ 6.19
16 65.5% Iranian (Dodecad) + 34.5% Uzbeks (Behar) @ 6.24
17 88.6% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 11.4% Cypriots (Behar) @ 6.25
18 83.6% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 16.4% Turkish (Dodecad) @ 6.35
19 82.4% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 17.6% Turks (Behar) @ 6.38
20 89.3% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 10.7% Greek (Dodecad) @ 6.39














1 Gedrosia 22.07
2 Caucasus 16.91
3 North_European 15.85
4 East_Asian 14.94
5 Siberian 10.02
6 South_Asian 8.92
7 Southwest_Asian 4.85
8 Southeast_Asian 3.32
9 Atlantic_Med 3.13






1 Uzbeks (Behar) 13.19
2 Tajiks (Yunusbayev) 14.41
3 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 15.94
4 Hazara (HGDP) 19.55
5 Uygur (HGDP) 19.7
6 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 22.94
7 Burusho (HGDP) 28.52
8 Iranians (Behar) 30.43
9 Iranian (Dodecad) 30.55
10 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 30.71
11 Pathan (HGDP) 30.86
12 Kurd (Dodecad) 31.53
13 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 33.07
14 Turks (Behar) 33.13
15 Lezgins (Behar) 33.91
16 Turkish (Dodecad) 34.19
17 Bnei_Menashe_Jews (Behar) 35.5
18 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 36.55
19 Jatt (Dodecad) 36.75
20 Chechens (Yunusbayev) 36.92






1 52.7% Uzbeks (Behar) + 47.3% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 5.81
2 72.3% Uzbeks (Behar) + 27.7% Pathan (HGDP) @ 6.35
3 59.1% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 40.9% Uygur (HGDP) @ 6.52
4 56% Uzbeks (Behar) + 44% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 6.71
5 59.4% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 40.6% Hazara (HGDP) @ 7.34
6 56.4% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 43.6% Uygur (HGDP) @ 7.36
7 76.1% Uzbeks (Behar) + 23.9% Bnei_Menashe_Jews (Behar) @ 7.46
8 76.8% Uzbeks (Behar) + 23.2% Jatt (Dodecad) @ 7.47
9 83.8% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 16.2% Hezhen (HGDP) @ 7.49
10 83.9% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 16.1% Daur (HGDP) @ 7.52
11 73.2% Uzbeks (Behar) + 26.8% Iranians (Behar) @ 7.58
12 83.4% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 16.6% Oroqen (HGDP) @ 7.71
13 83.2% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 16.8% Mongola (HGDP) @ 7.75
14 84% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 16% Xibo (HGDP) @ 7.78
15 79.5% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 20.5% Mongol (Rasmussen) @ 7.84
16 79.3% Uzbeks (Behar) + 20.7% Sindhi (HGDP) @ 7.92
17 56.4% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 43.6% Hazara (HGDP) @ 7.98
18 73.8% Uzbeks (Behar) + 26.2% Iranian (Dodecad) @ 8.08
19 72.4% Uzbeks (Behar) + 27.6% Burusho (HGDP) @ 8.08
20 83.9% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 16.1% Tu (HGDP) @ 8.34

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I know the former which is a very atypical sample but the latter is news to me. Share his kit number please.
Makhachkala is pretty cool too, that guy must be an Avar or Lak. An interior Dagestani highlander.

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Originally Posted by Leto

I know the former which is a very atypical sample but the latter is news to me. Share his kit number please.
Makhachkala is pretty cool too, that guy must be an Avar or Lak. An interior Dagestani highlander.

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I can do that.
Could you also share me some of the central asian kits you posted? Like all the ones you posted in this page(im interested in the central asians the most, including mongols, but i dont mind the afghan and iranian too):

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...-Vol-4/page124


And also this tajik you posted on this page?

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...-Vol-4/page126

Very rare kits to find

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Originally Posted by Melonman

I can do that.
Could you also share me some of the central asian kits you posted? Like all the ones you posted in this page(im interested in the central asians the most, including mongols, but i dont mind the afghan and iranian too):

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...-Vol-4/page124


And also this tajik you posted on this page?

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...-Vol-4/page126

Very rare kits to find

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Only later. I can't do it at the moment. By the way, let's not spam this thread, it's already fucking large.

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Originally Posted by Leto

Only later. I can't do it at the moment. By the way, let's not spam this thread, it's already fucking large.

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Ok. I can send the kits later too in pm's, when i find them again

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Originally Posted by Melonman

Two tajiks from Uzbekistan(first one is from Samarkand, second one has the haplogroups M5a2a, and R1a1a):



1 Caucasus 30.22
2 Gedrosia 22.92
3 North_European 12.26
4 Southwest_Asian 10.09
5 East_Asian 7.97
6 South_Asian 7.27
7 Siberian 3.9
8 Atlantic_Med 3.84
9 Sub_Saharan 1.51
10 East_African 0.03




1 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 7.44
2 Iranian (Dodecad) 15.11
3 Iranians (Behar) 15.62
4 Kurd (Dodecad) 16.13
5 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 17.37
6 Tajiks (Yunusbayev) 17.51
7 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 18.8
8 Turks (Behar) 19.02
9 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 20.02
10 Turkish (Dodecad) 20.73
11 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 20.78
12 Lezgins (Behar) 23.03
13 Lebanese (Behar) 25.58
14 Chechens (Yunusbayev) 25.74
15 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 26.21
16 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 26.55
17 Iranian_Jews (Behar) 26.6
18 Syrians (Behar) 26.61
19 Uzbeks (Behar) 26.87
20 Assyrian (Dodecad) 27.18






1 87.6% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 12.4% Yemenese (Behar) @ 5.53
2 91.1% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 8.9% Yemen_Jews (Behar) @ 5.68
3 84.6% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 15.4% Syrians (Behar) @ 5.74
4 86.7% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 13.3% Palestinian (HGDP) @ 5.74
5 88.4% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 11.6% Samaritians (Behar) @ 5.75
6 64.3% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 35.7% Druze (HGDP) @ 5.75
7 89.3% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 10.7% Bedouin (HGDP) @ 5.77
8 85.9% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 14.1% Jordanians (Behar) @ 5.85
9 68.6% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 31.4% Samaritians (Behar) @ 5.86
10 88.5% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 11.5% Egyptans (Behar) @ 5.88
11 84.5% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 15.5% Lebanese (Behar) @ 5.88
12 87.3% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 12.7% Druze (HGDP) @ 6.06
13 93.3% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 6.7% Saudis (Behar) @ 6.09
14 88.2% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 11.8% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) @ 6.18
15 87.8% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 12.2% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) @ 6.19
16 65.5% Iranian (Dodecad) + 34.5% Uzbeks (Behar) @ 6.24
17 88.6% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 11.4% Cypriots (Behar) @ 6.25
18 83.6% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 16.4% Turkish (Dodecad) @ 6.35
19 82.4% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 17.6% Turks (Behar) @ 6.38
20 89.3% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 10.7% Greek (Dodecad) @ 6.39














1 Gedrosia 22.07
2 Caucasus 16.91
3 North_European 15.85
4 East_Asian 14.94
5 Siberian 10.02
6 South_Asian 8.92
7 Southwest_Asian 4.85
8 Southeast_Asian 3.32
9 Atlantic_Med 3.13






1 Uzbeks (Behar) 13.19
2 Tajiks (Yunusbayev) 14.41
3 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 15.94
4 Hazara (HGDP) 19.55
5 Uygur (HGDP) 19.7
6 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 22.94
7 Burusho (HGDP) 28.52
8 Iranians (Behar) 30.43
9 Iranian (Dodecad) 30.55
10 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 30.71
11 Pathan (HGDP) 30.86
12 Kurd (Dodecad) 31.53
13 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 33.07
14 Turks (Behar) 33.13
15 Lezgins (Behar) 33.91
16 Turkish (Dodecad) 34.19
17 Bnei_Menashe_Jews (Behar) 35.5
18 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 36.55
19 Jatt (Dodecad) 36.75
20 Chechens (Yunusbayev) 36.92






1 52.7% Uzbeks (Behar) + 47.3% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 5.81
2 72.3% Uzbeks (Behar) + 27.7% Pathan (HGDP) @ 6.35
3 59.1% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 40.9% Uygur (HGDP) @ 6.52
4 56% Uzbeks (Behar) + 44% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 6.71
5 59.4% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 40.6% Hazara (HGDP) @ 7.34
6 56.4% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 43.6% Uygur (HGDP) @ 7.36
7 76.1% Uzbeks (Behar) + 23.9% Bnei_Menashe_Jews (Behar) @ 7.46
8 76.8% Uzbeks (Behar) + 23.2% Jatt (Dodecad) @ 7.47
9 83.8% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 16.2% Hezhen (HGDP) @ 7.49
10 83.9% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 16.1% Daur (HGDP) @ 7.52
11 73.2% Uzbeks (Behar) + 26.8% Iranians (Behar) @ 7.58
12 83.4% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 16.6% Oroqen (HGDP) @ 7.71
13 83.2% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 16.8% Mongola (HGDP) @ 7.75
14 84% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 16% Xibo (HGDP) @ 7.78
15 79.5% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 20.5% Mongol (Rasmussen) @ 7.84
16 79.3% Uzbeks (Behar) + 20.7% Sindhi (HGDP) @ 7.92
17 56.4% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 43.6% Hazara (HGDP) @ 7.98
18 73.8% Uzbeks (Behar) + 26.2% Iranian (Dodecad) @ 8.08
19 72.4% Uzbeks (Behar) + 27.6% Burusho (HGDP) @ 8.08
20 83.9% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 16.1% Tu (HGDP) @ 8.34

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Very interesting results. Didnt expect tajiks to be that close to Iranians.

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Originally Posted by Melonman

Two tajiks from Uzbekistan(first one is from Samarkand, second one has the haplogroups M5a2a, and R1a1a):



1 Caucasus 30.22
2 Gedrosia 22.92
3 North_European 12.26
4 Southwest_Asian 10.09
5 East_Asian 7.97
6 South_Asian 7.27
7 Siberian 3.9
8 Atlantic_Med 3.84
9 Sub_Saharan 1.51
10 East_African 0.03




1 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 7.44
2 Iranian (Dodecad) 15.11
3 Iranians (Behar) 15.62
4 Kurd (Dodecad) 16.13
5 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 17.37
6 Tajiks (Yunusbayev) 17.51
7 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 18.8
8 Turks (Behar) 19.02
9 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 20.02
10 Turkish (Dodecad) 20.73
11 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 20.78
12 Lezgins (Behar) 23.03
13 Lebanese (Behar) 25.58
14 Chechens (Yunusbayev) 25.74
15 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 26.21
16 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 26.55
17 Iranian_Jews (Behar) 26.6
18 Syrians (Behar) 26.61
19 Uzbeks (Behar) 26.87
20 Assyrian (Dodecad) 27.18






1 87.6% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 12.4% Yemenese (Behar) @ 5.53
2 91.1% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 8.9% Yemen_Jews (Behar) @ 5.68
3 84.6% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 15.4% Syrians (Behar) @ 5.74
4 86.7% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 13.3% Palestinian (HGDP) @ 5.74
5 88.4% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 11.6% Samaritians (Behar) @ 5.75
6 64.3% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 35.7% Druze (HGDP) @ 5.75
7 89.3% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 10.7% Bedouin (HGDP) @ 5.77
8 85.9% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 14.1% Jordanians (Behar) @ 5.85
9 68.6% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 31.4% Samaritians (Behar) @ 5.86
10 88.5% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 11.5% Egyptans (Behar) @ 5.88
11 84.5% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 15.5% Lebanese (Behar) @ 5.88
12 87.3% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 12.7% Druze (HGDP) @ 6.06
13 93.3% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 6.7% Saudis (Behar) @ 6.09
14 88.2% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 11.8% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) @ 6.18
15 87.8% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 12.2% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) @ 6.19
16 65.5% Iranian (Dodecad) + 34.5% Uzbeks (Behar) @ 6.24
17 88.6% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 11.4% Cypriots (Behar) @ 6.25
18 83.6% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 16.4% Turkish (Dodecad) @ 6.35
19 82.4% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 17.6% Turks (Behar) @ 6.38
20 89.3% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 10.7% Greek (Dodecad) @ 6.39














1 Gedrosia 22.07
2 Caucasus 16.91
3 North_European 15.85
4 East_Asian 14.94
5 Siberian 10.02
6 South_Asian 8.92
7 Southwest_Asian 4.85
8 Southeast_Asian 3.32
9 Atlantic_Med 3.13






1 Uzbeks (Behar) 13.19
2 Tajiks (Yunusbayev) 14.41
3 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 15.94
4 Hazara (HGDP) 19.55
5 Uygur (HGDP) 19.7
6 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 22.94
7 Burusho (HGDP) 28.52
8 Iranians (Behar) 30.43
9 Iranian (Dodecad) 30.55
10 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 30.71
11 Pathan (HGDP) 30.86
12 Kurd (Dodecad) 31.53
13 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 33.07
14 Turks (Behar) 33.13
15 Lezgins (Behar) 33.91
16 Turkish (Dodecad) 34.19
17 Bnei_Menashe_Jews (Behar) 35.5
18 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 36.55
19 Jatt (Dodecad) 36.75
20 Chechens (Yunusbayev) 36.92






1 52.7% Uzbeks (Behar) + 47.3% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 5.81
2 72.3% Uzbeks (Behar) + 27.7% Pathan (HGDP) @ 6.35
3 59.1% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 40.9% Uygur (HGDP) @ 6.52
4 56% Uzbeks (Behar) + 44% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 6.71
5 59.4% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 40.6% Hazara (HGDP) @ 7.34
6 56.4% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 43.6% Uygur (HGDP) @ 7.36
7 76.1% Uzbeks (Behar) + 23.9% Bnei_Menashe_Jews (Behar) @ 7.46
8 76.8% Uzbeks (Behar) + 23.2% Jatt (Dodecad) @ 7.47
9 83.8% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 16.2% Hezhen (HGDP) @ 7.49
10 83.9% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 16.1% Daur (HGDP) @ 7.52
11 73.2% Uzbeks (Behar) + 26.8% Iranians (Behar) @ 7.58
12 83.4% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 16.6% Oroqen (HGDP) @ 7.71
13 83.2% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 16.8% Mongola (HGDP) @ 7.75
14 84% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 16% Xibo (HGDP) @ 7.78
15 79.5% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 20.5% Mongol (Rasmussen) @ 7.84
16 79.3% Uzbeks (Behar) + 20.7% Sindhi (HGDP) @ 7.92
17 56.4% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 43.6% Hazara (HGDP) @ 7.98
18 73.8% Uzbeks (Behar) + 26.2% Iranian (Dodecad) @ 8.08
19 72.4% Uzbeks (Behar) + 27.6% Burusho (HGDP) @ 8.08
20 83.9% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 16.1% Tu (HGDP) @ 8.34

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Nice results, first one is very Westasian shifted and atypical.

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Originally Posted by Babak

Very interesting results. Didnt expect tajiks to be that close to Iranians.

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There are tajiks from Herat who are this close. Actually closer.

Then there are shia tajiks all over the country who can be really close too, but they have iranian ancestry though.


This one however seems to be an outlier

An Uzbek girl from the Farg'ona region (no kit number, only the K12b and K13 values)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...kistan.svg.png

Gedrosia 18.7
Siberian 15.54
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 2.53
Atlantic_Med 5.97
North_European 15.48
South_Asian 5.43
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 3.99
East_Asian 20.32
Caucasus 12.04
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Uzbek_Farg'ona
5.55407058 Uzbek
5.57835101 Uzbeki
7.00659689 Turkmen_Afghanistan
9.57198517 Uyghur_Xinjiang
11.06973351 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
12.15058435 Turkmen_Turkmenistan
12.34499899 Hazara
12.92836030 Nogai_Stavropol
13.42197824 Karakalpak
16.89864787 Nogai_Astrakhan

Target: Uzbek_Farg'ona
Distance: 83.5749% / 0.83574884 | ADC: 0.25x RC
49.6 Uzbek
26.8 Hazara
13.4 Altaian_Chelkan
4.4 Haryana_Ror
3.0 Spanish_Basque
2.8 Kuwait2

Target: Uzbek_Farg'ona
Distance: 270.7958% / 2.70795849 | ADC: 0.5x RC
71.6 Uzbek
17.0 Hazara
11.4 Tubalar

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Originally Posted by Aren

More samples from the different Iranian groups. I would like to see more Tats and Iranian Kurds.

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1 Caucasus 41.18
2 Gedrosia 22.02
3 North_European 12.52
4 Southwest_Asian 11.03
5 Atlantic_Med 6.49
6 South_Asian 2.08
7 East_Asian 1.89
8 Northwest_African 1.12
9 Siberian 1.07
10 Southeast_Asian 0.54
11 East_African 0.06

I am Tat from Azerbaijan

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Originally Posted by turan4

1 Caucasus 41.18
2 Gedrosia 22.02
3 North_European 12.52
4 Southwest_Asian 11.03
5 Atlantic_Med 6.49
6 South_Asian 2.08
7 East_Asian 1.89
8 Northwest_African 1.12
9 Siberian 1.07
10 Southeast_Asian 0.54
11 East_African 0.06

I am Tat from Azerbaijan

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Hi. I think someone has posted your results here before. Your Steppe ancestry is relatively high, 12.5% North European. Do you know your Y DNA? Also, is the Tat language still alive?

Turkmen from apparently Asghabat, Turkmenistan:






1 Caucasus 21.39
2 East_Asian 18.21
3 Siberian 18.16
4 North_European 13.3
5 Gedrosia 12.61
6 Atlantic_Med 5.67
7 Southwest_Asian 4.4
8 Southeast_Asian 3.45
9 South_Asian 2.81






1 Uzbeks (Behar) 10.4
2 Hazara (HGDP) 18.44
3 Uygur (HGDP) 18.52
4 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 19.56
5 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 23.13
6 Tajiks (Yunusbayev) 26.77
7 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 32.21
8 Turks (Behar) 32.68
9 Turkish (Dodecad) 33.27
10 Altai (Rasmussen) 34.75
11 Iranian (Dodecad) 35.25
12 Kurd (Dodecad) 35.77
13 Iranians (Behar) 36.26
14 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 37.16
15 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 37.9
16 Lezgins (Behar) 38.31
17 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 38.33
18 Mongol (Rasmussen) 38.49
19 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 38.49
20 Greek (Dodecad) 38.95






1 83.7% Uzbeks (Behar) + 16.3% Cypriots (Behar) @ 6.35
2 84.2% Uzbeks (Behar) + 15.8% Druze (HGDP) @ 6.66
3 85.6% Uzbeks (Behar) + 14.4% Samaritians (Behar) @ 6.7
4 80.6% Uzbeks (Behar) + 19.4% Turkish (Dodecad) @ 6.84
5 82.7% Uzbeks (Behar) + 17.3% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) @ 6.87
6 82.9% Uzbeks (Behar) + 17.1% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) @ 6.89
7 83.4% Uzbeks (Behar) + 16.6% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 6.92
8 80.6% Uzbeks (Behar) + 19.4% Turks (Behar) @ 7
9 83.3% Uzbeks (Behar) + 16.7% Lebanese (Behar) @ 7.03
10 85.1% Uzbeks (Behar) + 14.9% Armenian (Dodecad) @ 7.18
11 85.5% Uzbeks (Behar) + 14.5% Armenians (Behar) @ 7.18
12 51.6% Turks (Behar) + 48.4% Altai (Rasmussen) @ 7.22
13 83.9% Uzbeks (Behar) + 16.1% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 7.23
14 84.1% Uzbeks (Behar) + 15.9% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 7.23
15 83.8% Uzbeks (Behar) + 16.2% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 7.25
16 85% Uzbeks (Behar) + 15% Palestinian (HGDP) @ 7.28
17 84.8% Uzbeks (Behar) + 15.2% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 7.28
18 51.1% Turkish (Dodecad) + 48.9% Altai (Rasmussen) @ 7.29
19 85.2% Uzbeks (Behar) + 14.8% Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) @ 7.33
20 85.2% Uzbeks (Behar) + 14.8% Assyrian (Dodecad) @ 7.33

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Originally Posted by Leto

Hi. I think someone has posted your results here before. Your Steppe ancestry is relatively high, 12.5% North European. Do you know your Y DNA? Also, is the Tat language still alive?

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Oh, cool. Unfortunately, I don't know my Y DNA since I tested in FTDNA. I knew that my ancestors lived in mountainous area and there was relatively less mixing.

In my town, language is dying with each generation. My grandparents are fluent, my parents can speak to some degree but my generation (people around 20) knows only few words

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Originally Posted by turan4

Oh, cool. Unfortunately, I don't know my Y DNA since I tested in FTDNA. I knew that my ancestors lived in mountainous area and there was relatively less mixing.

In my town, language is dying with each generation. My grandparents are fluent, my parents can speak to some degree but my generation (people around 20) knows only few words

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I see. And the language that's replacing Tat is obviously Azerbaijani.
Do you think the Tats are basically a kind of Persians?

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Originally Posted by Leto

I see. And the language that's replacing Tat is obviously Azerbaijani.
Do you think the Tats are basically a kind of Persians?

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Yes, Azerbaijani is replacing tat.

I am not sure. But, from my little research, I couldn't find any sources about persian migration to south east caucasian mountains. I believe tats are caucasians who were assimilated to persians since 2000-3000 years ago the areas that tats live now were northern borders of big persian empires and persian was lingua franca in the region. So, I think tats are caucasians + some mixing with persians.

I asked from a lot of elderly people about possible migration from iran but none of them heard anything about it from their ancestors. They only believed it because of history books.

I know that my father's village was formed by migration from nearby town (ismayilli) about 500 years ago.

Btw, how do you know about tats? Are you from Russia? I am asking because even in Azerbaijan there are some people who don't know about tats. So, it was odd and ingeresting to see foreigner being interested about tats.

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Originally Posted by turan4

Yes, Azerbaijani is replacing tat.

I am not sure. But, from my little research, I couldn't find any sources about persian migration to south east caucasian mountains. I believe tats are caucasians who were assimilated to persians since 2000-3000 years ago the areas that tats live now were northern borders of big persian empires and persian was lingua franca in the region. So, I think tats are caucasians + some mixing with persians.

I asked from a lot of elderly people about possible migration from iran but none of them heard anything about it from their ancestors. They only believed it because of history books.

I know that my father's village was formed by migration from nearby town (ismayilli) about 500 years ago.

Btw, how do you know about tats? Are you from Russia? I am asking because even in Azerbaijan there are some people who don't know about tats. So, it was odd and ingeresting to see foreigner being interested about tats.

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So a lot of genetics in Azerbaijan can be traced to Caucasian Albania.
Yes, I'm Russian but obviously not an average guy in this regard. I've known about the Tats and the Talysh for years. Back in the Soviet Union many Mountain Jews were erroneously recorded as Tats. And now that you appeared here and introduced yourself as a Tat, I found it interesting to ask a question. :)

Wow! I am really interested about mountain jews and their relationship with tats. Looks like they are genetically distant fron each other. I wonder if mountain jews picked the language from tats or vice versa or mountain jews were already speaking this language when they came to the caucasus