South Slavic & neighbours Eurogenes results

Probably Serb. Surname Tojaga.

Population
North_Atlantic 29.12 Pct
Baltic 29.29 Pct
West_Med 18.83 Pct
West_Asian 7.93 Pct
East_Med 9.20 Pct
Red_Sea 1.69 Pct
South_Asian 1.76 Pct
East_Asian 1.53 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.65 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

K15
Population
North_Sea 22.81 Pct
Atlantic 15.96 Pct
Baltic 17.92 Pct
Eastern_Euro 11.83 Pct
West_Med 14.48 Pct
West_Asian 6.95 Pct
East_Med 5.90 Pct
Red_Sea 1.44 Pct
South_Asian 1.59 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.85 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.28 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

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Originally Posted by Insuperable

Probably Serb. Surname Tojaga.

Population
North_Atlantic 29.12 Pct
Baltic 29.29 Pct
West_Med 18.83 Pct
West_Asian 7.93 Pct
East_Med 9.20 Pct
Red_Sea 1.69 Pct
South_Asian 1.76 Pct
East_Asian 1.53 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.65 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

K15
Population
North_Sea 22.81 Pct
Atlantic 15.96 Pct
Baltic 17.92 Pct
Eastern_Euro 11.83 Pct
West_Med 14.48 Pct
West_Asian 6.95 Pct
East_Med 5.90 Pct
Red_Sea 1.44 Pct
South_Asian 1.59 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.85 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.28 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

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Interesting, it seems East Med of South Slavs is quite low. Many seem to have more West Med than East Med or a proportion in similar amounts, also a lot of North Atlantic, Atlantic and North Sea.

It kinda conffirms the fact that Illyrians and other native Northwest Balkanites were more Iberian/North Italian-like than Greek-like. People have been speculating a Northeast Euro + Greek type of admixture in South Slavs for a long time, but it's most certainly wrong.

Says Croatian. I don't know where from. Probably Herzegovina or something

K13
Population
North_Atlantic 27.89 Pct
Baltic 29.48 Pct
West_Med 16.13 Pct
West_Asian 7.71 Pct
East_Med 16.87 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.65 Pct
Amerindian 0.83 Pct
Oceanian 0.36 Pct
Northeast_African 0.07 Pct
Sub-Saharan -

K15
Population
North_Sea 21.37 Pct
Atlantic 16.09 Pct
Baltic 17.94 Pct
Eastern_Euro 11.77 Pct
West_Med 11.64 Pct
West_Asian 7.82 Pct
East_Med 12.98 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian 0.07 Pct
Amerindian 0.32 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Doesn't say what she is. Seems to be Croat from Livno or Duvno, but can't be sure.

K13
North_Atlantic 28.71 Pct
Baltic 25.86 Pct
West_Med 19.85 Pct
West_Asian 8.25 Pct
East_Med 14.80 Pct
Red_Sea 0.53 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 1.65 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.33 Pct






K15
North_Sea 18.31 Pct
Atlantic 18.61 Pct
Baltic 14.85 Pct
Eastern_Euro 11.45 Pct
West_Med 15.71 Pct
West_Asian 9.06 Pct
East_Med 10.26 Pct
Red_Sea 0.40 Pct
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 1.19 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.14 Pct

All these Croats are well below average in their Baltic score. I know below 30% is more the exeption and not the rule but i also think the 36% the Eurogenes average has is not a good average as well. I rarely ever see Croats with 37% on Gedmatch and more often than not they are between 32-35%.

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Originally Posted by Adamastor

Interesting, it seems East Med of South Slavs is quite low. Many seem to have more West Med than East Med or a proportion in similar amounts, also a lot of North Atlantic, Atlantic and North Sea.

It kinda conffirms the fact that Illyrians and other native Northwest Balkanites were more Iberian/North Italian-like than Greek-like. People have been speculating a Northeast Euro + Greek type of admixture in South Slavs for a long time, but it's most certainly wrong.

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these are the Montenegrin and Serb averages:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post6473624

Bulgaria Iron age also had a 50/50 West med/East med ratio, like we do today:

1 West_Med 31.11
2 East_Med 30.15
3 North_Atlantic 22.77
4 West_Asian 8.14
5 Baltic 4.36
6 Red_Sea 3.47

but before the arrival of Slavs somebody increased our North_Atlantic (Celts and Germans) and West Asian (Romans?)

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Originally Posted by Ljubic

All these Croats are well below average in their Baltic score. I know below 30% is more the exeption and not the rule but i also think the 36% the Eurogenes average has is not a good average as well. I rarely ever see Croats with 37% on Gedmatch and more often than not they are between 32-35%.

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out of ~30 Croat academic samples only 3 are 27-29% Baltic, and all others are 30+.
idk how representative that is.

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Originally Posted by Insuperable

Probably Serb. Surname Tojaga.

Population
North_Atlantic 29.12 Pct
Baltic 29.29 Pct
West_Med 18.83 Pct
West_Asian 7.93 Pct
East_Med 9.20 Pct
Red_Sea 1.69 Pct
South_Asian 1.76 Pct
East_Asian 1.53 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.65 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

K15
Population
North_Sea 22.81 Pct
Atlantic 15.96 Pct
Baltic 17.92 Pct
Eastern_Euro 11.83 Pct
West_Med 14.48 Pct
West_Asian 6.95 Pct
East_Med 5.90 Pct
Red_Sea 1.44 Pct
South_Asian 1.59 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.85 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.28 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

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Tojaga is Serbian surname from Lika, mostly from Kom and Zrmanja in southern Lika.

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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

out of ~30 Croat academic samples only 3 are 27-29% Baltic, and all others are 30+.
idk how representative that is.

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How is the average of these 30 samples if I may ask? Those may not be many samples like the Serb ones but it could be interesting still.

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Originally Posted by Ljubic

How is the average of these 30 samples if I may ask? Those may not be many samples like the Serb ones but it could be interesting still.

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here:

_	North_Atlantic	Baltic	West_Med	West_Asian	East_Med	Red_Sea	South_Asian	East_Asian	Siberian	Amerindian	Oceanian	Northeast_African	Sub-Saharan
Zagreb(13)	27.21	36.11	14.54	7.94	9.44	1.45	0.97	0.30	0.33	0.80	0.40	0.32	0.19
Herzegovina(5)	25.99	33.19	15.00	8.53	13.27	1.11	0.95	0.05	0.72	0.74	0.45	0.00	0.00
Bosnia(6)	26.85	32.16	15.72	7.30	13.75	1.74	0.73	0.21	0.56	0.28	0.52	0.10	0.09
Split(10)	25.95	31.39	16.33	8.23	13.73	1.64	0.39	0.35	0.52	0.56	0.56	0.22	0.13
All(34)	26.60	33.60	15.34	8.00	12.03	1.51	0.76	0.26	0.48	0.63	0.48	0.20	0.13

but i'm not sure is the Zagreb result indeed from those 13 Zagreb samples. it probably is. i'll check these days

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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

but before the arrival of Slavs somebody increased our North_Atlantic (Celts and Germans) and West Asian (Romans?)

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maybe your answer is here

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...stry-deep-dive

Quote:

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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

here:

_	North_Atlantic	Baltic	West_Med	West_Asian	East_Med	Red_Sea	South_Asian	East_Asian	Siberian	Amerindian	Oceanian	Northeast_African	Sub-Saharan
Zagreb(13)	27.21	36.11	14.54	7.94	9.44	1.45	0.97	0.30	0.33	0.80	0.40	0.32	0.19
Herzegovina(5)	25.99	33.19	15.00	8.53	13.27	1.11	0.95	0.05	0.72	0.74	0.45	0.00	0.00
Bosnia(6)	26.85	32.16	15.72	7.30	13.75	1.74	0.73	0.21	0.56	0.28	0.52	0.10	0.09
Split(10)	25.95	31.39	16.33	8.23	13.73	1.64	0.39	0.35	0.52	0.56	0.56	0.22	0.13
All(34)	26.60	33.60	15.34	8.00	12.03	1.51	0.76	0.26	0.48	0.63	0.48	0.20	0.13

but i'm not sure is the Zagreb result indeed from those 13 Zagreb samples. it probably is. i'll check these days

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Thank you very much!

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Originally Posted by Dick

maybe your answer is here

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...stry-deep-dive

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these samples don't have that much west asian.
maybe those late Roman samples with middle eastern admixture have more of it.

_	North_Atlantic	Baltic	West_Med	West_Asian	East_Med	Red_Sea	South_Asian	East_Asian	Siberian	Amerindian	Oceanian	Northeast_African	Sub_Saharan
IA_Ardea_R850	11.62	6.21	21.32	16.86	32.99	9.34	0	0.69	0.66	0	0	0.31	0
IA_Ardea_R851	35.01	14.12	33.47	1.26	16.14	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
IA_Boville_Ernica_R1021	37.07	8.81	31.95	2.08	18.94	0.63	0	0	0	0	0.52	0	0
IA_Castel_di_Decima_R1016	36.74	7.19	33.37	1	20.51	0	0	0	0	1.18	0	0	0
IA_Civitavecchia_R473	33.91	12.08	31.64	0.33	18.52	3.33	0	0	0.18	0	0	0	0
IA_Civitavecchia_R474	36.98	12.08	25.22	5.32	16.98	1.62	0	0	0.78	0.44	0	0.44	0.14
IA_Civitavecchia_R475	21.89	7.06	33.22	0	25.63	6.6	0	0	0	0	0	3.92	1.68
IA_Etruscan_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia_R1015	35.88	8.02	33.68	0	19.97	1.72	0	0.11	0	0.62	0	0	0
IA_Prenestina_Colombella_R435	40.46	14.59	27.65	2.59	12.1	1.38	0.24	0	0.29	0.64	0	0	0.07
IA_Prenestina_Selicata_R437	19.08	5.15	27.36	15.02	28.43	4.56	0	0.4	0	0	0	0	0
IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1	29.01	13.68	21.75	9.75	19.74	3.46	0	0	1.24	0.94	0.43	0	0

33-34% Baltic and 26-27% NA for Croats sounds realistic to me, why not. They are not Macedonians after all.

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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

these are the Montenegrin and Serb averages:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post6473624

Bulgaria Iron age also had a 50/50 West med/East med ratio, like we do today:

1 West_Med 31.11
2 East_Med 30.15
3 North_Atlantic 22.77
4 West_Asian 8.14
5 Baltic 4.36
6 Red_Sea 3.47

but before the arrival of Slavs somebody increased our North_Atlantic (Celts and Germans) and West Asian (Romans?)

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What I find curious is that the Illyrian samples that were posted before had a ''North Italian'' genetic profile. With around 30-35% North Atlantic, ~ 20% West Med and 15% East Med. There was some with even 40% North Atlantic iirc, what is near the average for NE Iberians like Catalonians and Aragonese.

Dalmatian Croat

K13
North_Atlantic 30.73 Pct
Baltic 29.02 Pct
West_Med 17.30 Pct
West_Asian 7.46 Pct
East_Med 11.33 Pct
Red_Sea 1.87 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.95 Pct
Amerindian 0.44 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.89 Pct
Sub-Saharan -

K15
North_Sea 18.12 Pct
Atlantic 20.39 Pct
Baltic 19.10 Pct
Eastern_Euro 11.08 Pct
West_Med 13.54 Pct
West_Asian 7.11 Pct
East_Med 7.97 Pct
Red_Sea 1.69 Pct
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian 0.13 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.87 Pct
Sub-Saharan -

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Originally Posted by Pribislav

Tojaga is Serbian surname from Lika, mostly from Kom and Zrmanja in southern Lika.

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"Dobices tojaga ako nisi dobar" = what my great grandmother would always tell me when I was a kid. Brings back funny memories. I was so bad :lol:

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Originally Posted by Est.1992

Florin Curta was dismissed as unreliable scholar by many other serious acedemics.
Btw, if Avars from Szoad cluster with Belarusians and have 0% mongoloid, what are they but Slavic ? It is well known some Slavic allies of Avars assimilated with them. Or Belarusians are Avars ??!

:picard2::rolleyes:

I don't remember anyone labeling some Magyar chief as Slavic, they certanly were not.

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Do you have any links to scholars criticizing Florin Curta? His whole thesis is dumb but I have not been able to find much specifically rebuking him.

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Originally Posted by SharpFork

Do you have any links to scholars criticizing Florin Curta? His whole thesis is dumb but I have not been able to find much specifically rebuking him.

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He was a Vlach nationalist denying medieval Slavic migrations. What else do you need?

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Two Croats who share family name with infamous NDH dictator.

1 Baltic 33.41
2 North_Atlantic 25.48
3 West_Med 15.96
4 East_Med 12.61
5 West_Asian 10.01
6 Siberian 1.31
7 Amerindian 0.61
8 South_Asian 0.36
9 Red_Sea 0.15
10 Sub-Saharan 0.11

1 Baltic 31.59
2 North_Atlantic 21.26
3 West_Med 20.51
4 East_Med 13.66
5 West_Asian 9.55
6 East_Asian 1.71
7 Red_Sea 1.07
8 Amerindian 0.33
9 Northeast_African 0.33

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Originally Posted by Est.1992

He was a Vlach nationalist denying medieval Slavic migrations. What else do you need?

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Does his work have explicit Romanian nationalists points? He seems just a retarded "pots not people" historian, plus he doesn't even seem white to begin with.(as an half-Indian I'm whiter than him anyway...)

Croat, surname typical for Bosnia and Lika

1 Baltic 30.52
2 North_Atlantic 26.54
3 West_Med 17.64
4 East_Med 11.43
5 West_Asian 8.63
6 Red_Sea 1.28
7 South_Asian 1.27
8 Siberian 1.2
9 Oceanian 0.99
10 Sub-Saharan 0.51

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Originally Posted by SharpFork

Does his work have explicit Romanian nationalists points? He seems just a retarded "pots not people" historian, plus he doesn't even seem white to begin with.(as an half-Indian I'm whiter than him anyway...)

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He seemed to see Vlachs everywhere, and claimed South Slavs are Vlachs too. I think he shouldn't be taken seriously.

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Originally Posted by Est.1992

Two Croats who share family name with infamous NDH dictator.

1 Baltic 33.41
2 North_Atlantic 25.48
3 West_Med 15.96
4 East_Med 12.61
5 West_Asian 10.01
6 Siberian 1.31
7 Amerindian 0.61
8 South_Asian 0.36
9 Red_Sea 0.15
10 Sub-Saharan 0.11

1 Baltic 31.59
2 North_Atlantic 21.26
3 West_Med 20.51
4 East_Med 13.66
5 West_Asian 9.55
6 East_Asian 1.71
7 Red_Sea 1.07
8 Amerindian 0.33
9 Northeast_African 0.33

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Are they from Bosnia? As far as I know, Ante Pavelic himself has roots from NW-Croatia

This one seems to be from central Croatia (Karlovac area), but matches mostly BiH Croats and Dalmatians

1 Baltic 32.02
2 North_Atlantic 24.66
3 West_Med 16.95
4 East_Med 15.93
5 West_Asian 7.88
6 Oceanian 0.9
7 Amerindian 0.76
8 Red_Sea 0.57
9 Siberian 0.34
10 Sub-Saharan 0.01

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Originally Posted by Ljubic

Are they from Bosnia? As far as I know, Ante Pavelic himself has roots from NW-Croatia

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Not sure, they seem to be unmixed American-Croats (Mary and Mark Pavelić). Isn't Pavelić Bunjevac surname?

Serbian surname (typical for Serbs from Croatia, specifically Lika), but very typical Croatian first name. This one could be mixed.

1 Baltic 29.49
2 North_Atlantic 23.12
3 West_Med 20.25
4 East_Med 12.9
5 West_Asian 8.03
6 Red_Sea 4.19
7 South_Asian 1.3
8 Oceanian 0.29
9 Amerindian 0.21
10 Siberian 0.12
11 East_Asian 0.11

Croat with Bunjevac surname (it exists in Dalmatian hinterland, western Herzegovina, and area above Novi Vinodolski where Bunjevci settled)

1 Baltic 33.33
2 North_Atlantic 28.54
3 West_Med 15.5
4 East_Med 12.59
5 West_Asian 4.98
6 Red_Sea 2.52
7 Amerindian 1.51
8 Oceanian 0.89
9 Siberian 0.14

Starčević, another one who shares surname with famous Croatian nationalist. I think this one may have been already posted.

1 Baltic 28.26
2 North_Atlantic 25.43
3 West_Med 18.03
4 East_Med 14.9
5 West_Asian 8.72
6 Red_Sea 1.91
7 South_Asian 1.02
8 Siberian 0.91
9 Amerindian 0.73
10 Oceanian 0.07
11 East_Asian 0.02

Dalmatian Croat surname

1 Baltic 27.35
2 North_Atlantic 26.63
3 West_Med 18.84
4 East_Med 13.5
5 West_Asian 8.21
6 Red_Sea 2.5
7 South_Asian 1.48
8 Siberian 1.1
9 Amerindian 0.31
10 Sub-Saharan 0.07

Bosniak sounding first name and extremely Croatian surname (Horvat). Actually, name seems to be of Germanic origin and used in both NW Croatia and Bosnia. So this one is possibly full Croat.

1 Baltic 32.45
2 North_Atlantic 26.68
3 West_Med 18.01
4 East_Med 15.48
5 West_Asian 5.94
6 East_Asian 1.44

Croat with native surname of Gorski Kotar

1 Baltic 30.22
2 North_Atlantic 29.77
3 West_Med 19.97
4 East_Med 8.95
5 West_Asian 6.88
6 Red_Sea 1.78
7 South_Asian 1.36
8 Siberian 0.42
9 East_Asian 0.37
10 Northeast_African 0.28

Croat with surname from Dalmatian Island of Korčula

1 Baltic 31.65
2 North_Atlantic 21.53
3 West_Med 17.62
4 East_Med 14.86
5 West_Asian 11.77
6 Red_Sea 1.24
7 East_Asian 0.58
8 Siberian 0.54
9 South_Asian 0.2

Croatian surname from Dalmatian hinterland

1 Baltic 32.42
2 North_Atlantic 30.78
3 West_Med 12.81
4 East_Med 11.74
5 West_Asian 6.85
6 Red_Sea 1.59
7 South_Asian 1.56
8 Siberian 0.88
9 Amerindian 0.75
10 Oceanian 0.59
11 East_Asian 0.02

Serb (surname Stevanović, peaks in Bosnia)

1 Baltic 27.17
2 North_Atlantic 23.43
3 West_Med 18.55
4 East_Med 17.14
5 West_Asian 10.19
6 Red_Sea 2.68
7 East_Asian 0.45
8 Siberian 0.39

Croatian surname with peak in Bosnia

1 Baltic 33.26
2 North_Atlantic 30.45
3 West_Med 12.58
4 East_Med 10.76
5 West_Asian 7.92
6 Red_Sea 1.42
7 Amerindian 1.2
8 South_Asian 1.15
9 East_Asian 0.94
10 Sub-Saharan 0.3
11 Oceanian 0.03

Croatian female with name and surname that is common in both Lika and Dalmatia.

1 Baltic 31.25
2 North_Atlantic 30.58
3 West_Med 16.08
4 East_Med 8.65
5 West_Asian 8.6
6 Red_Sea 2.1
7 Siberian 1.04
8 Amerindian 0.61
9 South_Asian 0.48
10 Northeast_African 0.41
11 Sub-Saharan 0.19

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Originally Posted by Est.1992

Two Croats who share family name with infamous NDH dictator.

1 Baltic 33.41
2 North_Atlantic 25.48
3 West_Med 15.96
4 East_Med 12.61
5 West_Asian 10.01
6 Siberian 1.31
7 Amerindian 0.61
8 South_Asian 0.36
9 Red_Sea 0.15
10 Sub-Saharan 0.11

1 Baltic 31.59
2 North_Atlantic 21.26
3 West_Med 20.51
4 East_Med 13.66
5 West_Asian 9.55
6 East_Asian 1.71
7 Red_Sea 1.07
8 Amerindian 0.33
9 Northeast_African 0.33

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Found another Pavelić

1 Baltic 32.26
2 North_Atlantic 27.22
3 West_Med 15.62
4 East_Med 14.93
5 West_Asian 4.91
6 Red_Sea 2.8
7 Siberian 1.02
8 Amerindian 0.65
9 South_Asian 0.38
10 Oceanian 0.21

Croat, surname peaks in coastal town Senj. Probably mixed with western European, his brother scores 36% North Atlantic. But interstingly both have full Croatian names (Andrija & Ivan) and surname.

1 North_Atlantic 32.51
2 Baltic 32.47
3 West_Med 13.4
4 West_Asian 10.34
5 East_Med 8.12
6 Amerindian 2.1
7 Oceanian 0.96
8 East_Asian 0.09

1 North_Atlantic 36.38
2 Baltic 34.54
3 West_Med 12.92
4 East_Med 6.64
5 West_Asian 4.89
6 South_Asian 1.25
7 Amerindian 1.2
8 Oceanian 1.11
9 Siberian 0.7
10 East_Asian 0.23
11 Sub-Saharan 0.14