Croatian (read Jesuit) historiography is full of lies and manipulations. If is sun outside they say it's not day but dark night and vice versa.Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
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Croatian (read Jesuit) historiography is full of lies and manipulations. If is sun outside they say it's not day but dark night and vice versa.Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
Benjamin Kallay wanted to create Bosnian nation of all 3 religious groups in Bosnia. His attempts failed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mingle
Mingle is a CIA
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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post5750014Quote:
i've also read such explanations by Croatian historians on why "Serb" in "De Administrando Imperio" doesn't actually mean "Serb". :rolleyes:
Let's then acknowledge then that when Greek historians wrote about Croats and they obviously meant to write Serb wrote actually about Croats. Note: there is error, it is not 1912 obviously, I forgot what was the actual year.
As for Matej Ninoslav and his charter Pribislav likes to boast which in fact is a supplement to the main charter.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post5748852
He passed through Dubrovnik. Some Croatian kings were granted control of Byzantine Dalmatian possesions, including Dubrovnik, by the Byzantine emperor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Insuperable
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...atian_view.png
that's a different "debunking" than the one Feiichy posted, whom should i believe?Quote:
Originally Posted by Insuperable
I must admit that before 13th century Bosnia east of Vrbas and north of Neretva rivers was always in some way part of Serbia or under control of Serbia.
Every known historical document testifies this, not only Matej Ninoslav charters.
Einhard from 9th century, DAI from 10th century and Kinnamos from 12th century connect Bosnia with Serbia or Serbs.
When Medieval Bosnia included the lands west of Vrbas (Donji Kraji - Hrvoje Hrvatinić lands), it could no longer use Serbian name in political documents,
because Hrvatinić noble family was of Croatian origin and was very important in Bosnia.
After that, from 14th century Bosnian Medieval political elite started to use Bosniak identification exclusively.
I don't deny that present day Bosnia west of Vrbas river was part of Croatia until 1102. But present day western Bosnia was short period part of Bosnia in the middle age, most western part of modern Bosnia Cazinska Krajina was never part of Bosnia in the middle age.Quote:
Originally Posted by ph2ter
As I said border between Serbs and Croatians was on Vrbas river in the middle age. Many Croatians don't want to accept this, one of many reasons is probably because most of present day Bosnian Croatians live east of Vrbas river.
Indo-European ser means "to protect, to gaurd"
Avestan/Iranic haraiti, haurvaiti, haraiti, haurvaiti, “he guards”
Not all of eastern Bosnia has much to do with Serbia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usora_(region)
Usora (Latin: Vozora, Hungarian: Ózora) was a semi-independent banate (Duchy) in medieval Bosnia and also an administrative division in Croatia in the union with Hungary. It took its name from the river Usora.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banate_of_S%C3%B3
The Banate of Só (Hungarian: Sói bánság or Sófölde) was an administrative unit (banate) on the southern borders of the Kingdom of Hungary between the 12th and the early 15th centuries. Appointed by the king, it was governed by a ban, who served as both administrative and military leader.
Usora i Soli are not Bosnian lands historically, let alone Serb.
Wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
Usora and Soli were under the direct rule of Serbian kings Dragutin and Milutin from Nemanjiće dynasty.
Usora is quite eastern from Vrbas river where was ethnic border between Serbs and Croatians in the middle age.
Ancestors of Dušan and Bosniensis migrated from Usora to the Lika in 16th century. They were part of group known as "Usorci."
"Usorci" are numerous among Lika Serbs.
No. Which part of this sentence you don't understand?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pribislav
Ban is exclusively Croatian institution.Quote:
Usora (Latin: Vozora, Hungarian: Ózora) was a semi-independent banate (Duchy) in medieval Bosnia and also an administrative division in Croatia in the union with Hungary.
Ban is tittle of Avar origin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
Region Banat in Serbia and Romania is Croatian?
Romanian/Moldovan metal currency is called Ban
I don't think there exist ethnic groups with such lack of dignity as Serbs. You are excellent example. But I figured your tactics long ago, you are in agression all the time so we have no time to question to whom actually Serbia belonged trough history. Every chart that ever came out of Croatia is analysied to the core, desperately looking to find any possible mention of Serbs and Serbia. That's why you photographed entire Dubrovnik archive long time ago but couldn't find much except few sporadic mentions of your folk.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pribislav
When you answer our questions about Serbian history, mentions of Serbian name and Serbian people on territory of Serbia (for example in Šumadija), than we will discuss the rest.
Because so far I see total lack of information about Serbian territory and to whom does it really belongs, or who were actually Serbs and where do they come from.
I'd also ask you to provide archeological or any other kind of documented evidence for Serbian character of Bosnia, because so far outside of upper Podrinje nothing of relevance has been found.
Not it isn't. Region Banat comes from Ban title that Hungarians adopted after Croatia joined Hungarian crown.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pribislav
Ban is originally Turkic Avar tittle, deal with it!Quote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
Do you want discussion of Turkic/Avar origin of proto-Croatians, about Q haplogroup on Hvar and Brač, and about weird non-Slavic names of Croatian ruling family from Pannonia in 7th century (Kluk, Muhlo, Lovel, Kosen, Tuga and Vuga/Buga)?
I thought that Sorbs / White Serbs strong connection is generally considered as more of a legend than anything else?
Turkish historian Osman Karatay about Turkic origin of proto-Croatians http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turk...03CroatsEn.htmQuote:
Originally Posted by Pribislav
In that case both Serbs and Croats have Iranic etymology. Their ruling elite and founders were Iranian Sarmatian tribes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roy
The word Haravat sounds unmistakably Iranic, and Serboi is a tribe. Coincidence? Maybe, but I don't see any other good theories out there.
Distance is not close but it's there on Mytrueancestry.comQuote:
Originally Posted by War Chief
https://i.imgur.com/9MSsDyQ.jpg
Yeah ... but names are often just names slapped from one group into another, or only known from some other group who called these or another people with some terms, or even can evolve indepedently from each other just like some species can take identical forms despite being unrelated or only distantly related.Quote:
Originally Posted by War Chief
It is a shame that Early Medieval Slavs left so little in terms of literary work unlike Germanics or Finns (Kalevala). There was no literacy among them during those centuries.
Yes it's all about the ruling elite. Just in case some of you have no idea how horse people operated, let me enlighten you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roy
Treasure of Nagyszentmiklós is a hoard of Gold found here:
https://i.imgur.com/kzpYwkt.png
One of the inscriptions on a gold bowl writes in Greek:
ΒΟΥΗΛΑ.ΖΟΑΠΑΝ.ΤΕΣΗ.ΔΥΓΕΤΟΙΓΗ.ΒΟΥΤΑΟΥΛ.ΖΩΑΠΑΝ.ΤΑΓΡΟ ΓΗ.ΗΤΖΙΓΗ.ΤΑΙΣΗ
(Transliteration: bouēla zoapan tesē dygetoigē boutaoul zōapan tagrogē ētzigē taisē)
"Jupan Buila [has] all rights, jupan Butaul [has the right of] entering [in] all towns"
https://i.imgur.com/IiTKFml.png
that area is first mentioned as Serbian, Hungarians conquered it later.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
Salines = modern day TuzlaQuote:
The DAI mentions Destinikon as the first among the enumerated cities ("Destinikon, Tzernabouskeď, Megyretous, Dresneďk, Lesnik, Salines, Katera, Desnik") of "baptized Serbia"
Is the notion that just because you are ruled by someone else, that you are not necessarily relinquishing your ethnicity to those rulers, somehow lost to you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbia..._(1422)-en.svg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdo...pansion-en.svg
:picard2:
Otherwise, Croats were common low-class Venetian rats, were common low-class Hungarian rats, were common low-class French rats, were common low-class Austrian rats, were common low-class Nazi rats.
Which, actually, I'm not even opposed to being the truth. Hell, if it required that Bosnian cowards were Crorats all along, I would perfectly be willing to have it be the case that Crorats relinquished their ratdom in favor of selling their ethnicity to the dirtiest power of each century
Didn't take long to reveal who you are, Serv?Quote:
Originally Posted by Voight
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srb#NameQuote:
Originally Posted by Pribislav
What about the town "Srb" ? Just a coincidence?
"According to Croat academic Petar imunović, etymology is that Srb is derived from the old Croatian verb "serbati" and denoting the spring of the river Una."
What a convoluted explanation of twists and turns just to arrive at the conclusion that "Serb" is a Croatian word all along :picard1:
Did you ancestors ride out of Krajina on tractors, little one?
My father's name is Hungarian derived actually, and my mother's side is "Croatian", but somehow their families were tied to a Serbian identity for centuries. I think they were given land during Hapsburg times and just intermingled with the local Serbs over time. I'm guessing they preferred being on Serbian people's side for some reason (maybe because they could tell that Croats were sold-off souls (prodane duse) ever since the beginning. Personally, I don't really care for south slavic politics that much; I just wish things would go back to pagan times, instead of all these corrupt alliances due to greed and christian bureaucracy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
You are just Ameri-rat, not a Croat that's for sure. Stay where you are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Voight
ethnic Toponyms and ethnic surnames in 90% cases appear in places where that ethnicity is not in majority, but surrounded by other ethnicities.Quote:
Originally Posted by Voight
think about it, why would a town be named Srb in the middle of Serbian territory.
I can go wherever I want, much to the chagrin of yourself. I have Croatian citizenship, Bosnian citizenship (due to the fact that I was actually born just south of Krajina in Gradiska; lucky me), can inherit Croatian property upon my father's passing, and can even choose to get Serbian citizenship if I wanted to or live there because I have family living in Vojvodina.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
Meanwhile the best you can hope for is being an E.U.'s lapdog while fat alpinid Germans repopulate your villages (which is kinda preferable if you ask me, as they're never gonna stoop so low as to relinquish their identity in favor of being some Croat lapdog (like Crorats did in the Middle Ages, and still do in Germany to this day)
Exactly, for a same reason there are Croatian toponyms in Kosovo, Montenegro and even Greece.Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
You can be a citizen, but it won't protect you from being treated as third-rate citizen by actual Croats. And you certanly would be. Your kind has no passing in area I am from, my dear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Voight
You'd be treated as a nigga. Worse actually, since they aren't treated badly in general.
Haha, I'd feel sorry for you if you weren't so creatively skilled in your delusions (I can definitely see how blacks are treated in your coastal resorts, like Kang Kongs being given their choice of wench by the locals themselves)Quote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
You'd think I'd actually choose to live among redneck Ustase fisherman or hunters? If I had to live in Croatia, I could just choose some northwest place where they speak both Kajkavian and Stokavian, and they wouldn't give a fuck about where the hell I was from (just like they didn't give a fuck about Ustase shenanigans during WW2 nor Yugoslavia)
Or hell I could even move to Slovenia with a EU passport, but to be fair their language is kinda cringy, so not for me.
Your personal frustrations are not my interest. If you think NW Croats are tolerant towards trash like you you are badly mistaken.Quote:
Originally Posted by Voight
They feel the same about you as any other Croats does: feel sorry and disgused by same time.
It seems you descend from some traitor subhumans and now you're frustrated about it. I would be too in your place. Like a Gypsy, not with a place to call his own.
Maybe try your luck among Serbs, as you won't find any here.
Don't be so mean to me, darling; you're gonna drive me away just like all those fleeing Crorats when they realized their economy was collapsing and that all their politicians were even dirtier than the Serbs they had just driven away.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
And then what're you gonna be left with? You're gonna be forced to waitress half-empty resort towns and endure butt-slaps from Jewish-German hybrids while your boyfriend deals cocaine to survive--and you surely don't want that for yaself (or maybe ya do--who can know about your perversions but you yourself).
Just face it--people like me are the best future you "Croats" can hope for; surely you can't rely on those noble diaspora who are gonna come back in retirement age and collapse your economy some more when they start asking for their pensions (which you already gave out to your brave war-vets, who strangely are increasing in number with every passing year)
Also, interesting that you mention my "traitor past", because over the past year I discovered that one dude from my paternal line was the son of an Austrian general, and this dude was a Nazi playwright and scriptwriter who actually was the leading writer for a famous (at the time) Nazi propaganda movie. Turns out this dude (who had married a northern German wench), killed himself, in the year 1945. I think you can guess why.
And most of the families who share my mother's surname are Croatian.
So if I descend from a line of traitors, then I also descend from a line of double-traitors, who had allegiances all over the place. I guess I'm a true Croat in that case, in which case you should be more than happy to accept me amongst your disgusting cohort, because my history shows for itself that my family was much more effective at your line of double-and-triple-crossing than even you claim to be.
Doubly especially given that I don't even consider myself as a Serb (I just kinda respect more of them more than I do most Croats).
You are in diaspora because your family had it bad here. It's lowest-class that ''flees'' and you aren't really needed here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Voight
Don't remember when was last time I saw finest-grade Croat living somewhere in the west.
Those like me who aren't from bottom would never leave to live in shithole you call US.
And don't come here for vacation, we're full.
You're a trash devoid of identity and self-respect. Luckily true Serb nationalist would humiliate you like any Croat nationalist would - there is really nothing more miserable than trying to lick the balls of rival.Quote:
Originally Posted by Voight
And both would have to lower themself by accepting low-life rats, which for most isn't an option.
Had it bad = owned two houses?Quote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
Like I said, they identified as Serb which is why they moved out
Luckily I don't consider myself neither Serb nor Croat, and if I were really trash, then why do I have more options than you? Literally if I wanted to I have multiple different nations I could move to right this moment, because I have family in southwest Germany, in Ireland, in Australia, in Serbia, in Bosnia, in Croatia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
Would you trash Tito like you're trashing me? He didn't identify with any nationality and yet he fucked your future to kingdom-come
Trash him, not me, but you already praised him a few days ago because you just can't help but lick the toes of those who rule over you. no matter the source
You outsourced your self-respect centuries ago; your current self is just a manifestation of all your ancestors' lack of self-respect