Reggio. Closest province to Sicily.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sikeliot
Reggio. Closest province to Sicily.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sikeliot
Red pointsQuote:
Originally Posted by Sikeliot
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_pZdPsa0SCY...co_calabro.jpg
You cannot compare them because they use different scales.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reozek
they are pretty much the same , in both studies light eyes are from pure blue to gray and green with some brown (Ojos garzos in spanish) hazel excluded...basques have about 19% of hazel and they are not counted as light otherwise Vasco-Navarra would be almost 60% light eyed...even in the study of Livi Hazel are classified as "brown"...Quote:
Originally Posted by Joseph Capelli
We and Ibericus have discussed this stuff for months. Those 2 studies use different scales and are not comparable. For examples Hoyoz-Sanz considers light eyes with brown sposts as light, unlike Livi.
No, you have Slavic influence and you are still darker than most GreeksQuote:
Originally Posted by Sikeliot
Fuck off, mongrel troll. Pontic Greeks have more Greek ancestry than Sicilians, S/Italians and of course, you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sikeliot
i believe Livi used a sort of Martin-Schultz scale (even if probably they weren't even born when Antropometria Militare was published) and he considered as light eyes those eye colors who correspond to 1 to 8 in the M.S. scale (pure blue to green with little yellow or brown) ...in this study about Sardinian pigmentation the percentage of light eyes correspond exactly with that of Livi : 13.9% (Martin Schutz scale 1 to 8) IMO it can't be a coincidenceQuote:
Originally Posted by Joseph Capelli
http://www.persee.fr/web/revues/home..._num_10_2_3898
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin%...3Schultz_scale
Maybe instead of spouting nonsense then, explain to me why Pontic Greeks on 23andme cluster near EliasAlucard (an ASSYRIAN) and where Armenians cluster, and not near any of the Greeks?Quote:
Originally Posted by kabeiros
One of the posters also posted Pontians' Doug McDonald and Dodecad results and they came out like an 100% Armenian.
Light traits are not exclusively Northern European. Hell you are going to find light traits even in Socotra with no genetic affinity to Northern Europeans.
http://rickpdx.files.wordpress.com/2...yeah-right.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by kabeiros
ΝΑΙ. Σπάστα όλα.
What was the scale that Coon used? According to him gheg highlanders have in average 45% light eyes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reozek
i think the Martin scale (not Martin-Schultz) because if i remember correctly very light eyes in Coon's work are numbered 16 , 15 , 14 etc..Quote:
Originally Posted by Kastrioti1443
you can find it here at page 207 : http://www.persee.fr/web/revues/home...8_num_3_3_1417
That's not true. Livi's survey realised in the XIX century didn't consider hazel, light brown and amber eyes as light eyes, but only blue, grey and green. While in the study regarding Sardinians by Cosseddu realised in 1983, the percentage of true light eyes (pure blue, grey and green) (based on Martin Shultz scale) is 16%.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reozek
this is instead the % including light and mixed eyes from the same study based on martin shultz scale:
http://oi41.tinypic.com/ajt9v9.jpg
Dude pontian greeks are not hellenized Armenians, :picard1:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sikeliot
They cluster near Armenians on 23andme and not Greeks.Quote:
Originally Posted by gregor
Because the greeks of Balkan are mostly balkan tribes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sikeliot
And georgians cluster with Iranian people, Sorry but i dont buy it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sikeliot
Of course if light-mixed eyes are considered as light, the percentage will grow.Quote:
Originally Posted by P-Chan
It makes much more sense to assume that Pontic Greeks, living directly next to Armenia, are related to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kastrioti1443
that's correct. That percentage of pure light eyes is also confirmed from a previous study by the anthropologist Carlo Maxia entitled "LE CARATTERISTICHE DELLA PIGMENTAZIONE DEI CAPELLI, DELLE IRIDI E DELLA CUTE NEI GIOVANETTI DAI 6 AI 14 ANNI IN 123 COMUNI E FRAZIONI DELLA SARDEGNA":Quote:
Originally Posted by P-Chan
blue 4,24%
grey 5,37%
green 6,27%
Georgians live right above us for thousands of years, Yet we are not relatedQuote:
Originally Posted by Sikeliot
It depends, gheg albanians and slavs have lived together for more than 1,400 years, and still ghegs do not have baltid at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sikeliot
I don't know, but numbers for my region would be correct if also dark green-hazel eyes are included,there's no way light eyes are at 23% unless including dark green-hazel eyes,don't know about other regions though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joseph Capelli
I am starting to think that Basilicata is lowering the real percentage of light eyes of Campania and Apulia. Just Kidding.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zarathustra
who said that livi considered Hazel eyes as light ? read again , i wrote the exact opposite...ps. actually it's 13.9% in both Livi and Cosseddu studies not 16%Quote:
Originally Posted by P-Chan
my post:
"i believe Livi used a sort of Martin-Schultz scale (even if probably they weren't even born when Antropometria Militare was published) and he considered as light eyes those eye colors who correspond to 1 to 8 in the M.S. scale (pure blue to green with little yellow or brown)"
color 8 is a green with little Yellow or brown but it's not Hazel...
something like this one
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The answer to the original question is no.
Light traits in southern Europe is from Up types. And those UP types are native to southern Europe also.
Ok, I' m sorry, probably I didn't read correctly your post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reozek
so the theory that nearly all the paleolithic population of Southern Europe was replaced by neolithic immigrants from the south-east is completely false ?Quote:
Originally Posted by yankeesfan0130
Yes. They mixed with each other.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reozek
Does really make some kind of differences if a region is 30 or 20% light eyed...?!?
If blue eyes are due to a mutation happened during the Neolithic revolution, I sort of doubt UP types are responsible for them in Southen Europe.Quote:
Originally Posted by yankeesfan0130
That's one of the things I always laugh in this forum. that its the Slavic influence that lightens Greeks or a light Greek has Slavic influence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sikeliot
Then, every dark Slav has Greek influence since they are geniounly light and we are geniounly dark? ;)
So, my mother, which is from Zakynthos, why she is light? Why there is a big amount of light Ionians? Or Sfakians?
Sfakians according to Coon resemble closely Gheg Albanians and Montenegrins, he linked them to Dorian invasions.Quote:
Originally Posted by dandelion
And your point is ? Dorians were Greeks:
"The Dorians (Greek: Δωριεῖς, Dōrieis, singular Δωριεύς, Dōrieus) were one of the four major Greek ethnē into which the Greeks, or Hellenes, of the ancient period considered themselves divided (along with the Aeolians, Achaeans and Ionians).[1] Ethnos has the sense of ethnic group.[2] Herodotus uses the word with regard to them.[3] They are almost always referenced as just "the Dorians", as they are in the earliest literary mention of them in Odyssey,[4] where they already can be found inhabiting the island of Crete."
then why Sardinia , who had been populated since the paleolithic and it's rather conservative , have only 14% of Northern Euro aDNA ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Joseph Capelli
http://www.plosone.org/article/info%...l.pone.0043759
more recently K.Kristiansen in "Europe before history "(p. 388) linked the Dorian migration with the Caka group of the Urnfield Culture (roughly western Hungary)Quote:
Originally Posted by safinator
are you kidding? bigs and huge shitstorms have unleashed on The Apricity for much less than that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peyrol
Corretto amico, ma fortunatamente non tutti siamo feticisti degli occhi azzurri/chiari o del pelo biondo, lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lábaru
Are you trying to link the Dorians with Gheg Albanians and Montenegrins? http://mrwgifs.com/wp-content/upload...nfused-Gif.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by safinator
Also, for everyone here, please note that the Dorian invasion has historicity but did not happen as the ancients described it, as no archaeological evidence exists for such an invasion. It most likely represents population movements within Greece rather than an invasion. In fact, the Dorian invasion was an attempt to explain how the remnants of Mycenaean Greece transitioned into the early Classical era through the Greek Dark Ages. In other words, it was more likely than not an attempt to explain the evolution of Mycenaean Greek traditions into the classical ones.
So don't try to depict "Dorians" as some sort of blond Ubermensch invading from the far-north or something.
I just quoted what he said, there's no personal opinion there.Quote:
Originally Posted by ABest